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[Yaos]

Well, to be honest, you didn't counter anything I said from the begining. You just twisted and avoided my words.

[dreman9999]

Yaos wrote...

Well, to be honest, you didn't counter anything I said from the begining. You just twisted and avoided my words.

If you think that, then you really didn't understand what I wrote.

[bennyjammin79]

Now, now girls. You're going to have to learn to share.

[Grimgaww]

dreman9999 wrote...

No, he is in the the process of it. Shepard in ME3 goes through every symtom of indoctrination.
The symtoms are:
Stage dreams.
Whispers.
Head ackes
Reduction of calculative thought.
Oily shadows.
Hallutionations
And a complution to do what is told of him from a voice.

Shepard has strang dreams with whispers in it with oily shadows. When Shepard is talik with TIM at the end of the game, they pop agein. Shep here's whispers and sees oily shadow in that scene, even has head ackes.

We also can't prove that the kid that died on earth is real or not. No one other then shepard interacts with him...He Plagues Sheps dream and then end up as the cataylist......And this is after TIM tries to indoctrinate Shepard.

Then there's the conversation with the Star kid, which Shepard never really question any thing he says....Similar too...http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=E5rjiKYmhJg#t=237s
Shep is not thinking alot in this scene and is very suggetive to what the Star kid says...

Point being, even if we take the ending as it is...Shepard is still in the process of indoctrination any way.....You missed it.

Sorry man you still didn't get it.

If Bioware wanted to use the IT on Shepard this is not the way to do that.

Why they didn't release an official movie that explains it instead of making the EC that was not
planned from the beginning ?

I believe you know that they are writing the EC (or rewrting it) right now very very carefully.
If  the ending was so clear to them and maybe they thought that also to us why they need to add the EC ???

Mass effect series is not a Stephen king/m night shyamalan movie that needs
a weired dark nonsensical ending.

Sry man don't buying it and IT.

Modifié par Grimgaww, 10 mai 2012 - 06:49 .

[Deltoran]

Thread TL, DR. If IT is real, then they screwed up in its implementation majorly...it would've been clever if Shep was indoctrinated in the game then you got the real ending before the epilogue at the game's release...adding the real ending months later is insulting and idiotic...and precisely why I don't believe IT was their plan.

I'm more inclined to believe the idea that they thought the pseudo-psych/philosophical bs that Hudson and Walters came up with would be ok and now they know its not...I hope.

[snfonseka]

Even if there was a plan for IT, BW won't implement that plan now. Because majority of fans know about it, no one (most of) will be surprised.

[Typhoniel]

If IT would be true I would deinstall ME3 instantly and never play it again.

[Erield]

IT: If true, you have to admit, it's definitely very creative and clever.

No, I don't.

If it were true, intended, and had been done well, then I would admit that it's very creative and clever. The idea behind it is interesting, but that's really all that I'm required to admit at this point. It's also all that I actually feel about it.

Inception is a good example of a movie that sets up a particular scenario (being trapped in a dream) and then at the end leaves the audience to guess or "speculate" whether he was really in a dream at the end or not. After you have seen the movie once, if you go back and watch it again, you can pick up on the clues which directly enhance the experience of the end scenes.

If IT is true and intended, then the end sequence that sets up all of the speculation is not enhanced in any way, shape or form by this foreknowledge; in fact, what value is actually there is lost, and actually takes away from the experience.

[Zolt51]

IT: If true, you have to admit, it's definitely very creative and clever.

Hahaha. Nope. I don't have to admit anything. To anyone. Unless it's under torture.

I'll grant points for creativity to IT supporters yes, for finding some of the more far fetched points in support of it, but from Bioware it would be neither creative, nor clever. 

Yo dawg, I'll make a deliberately bad ending so I can say it was all a dream and give the real ending for free several months later. Mheh.

Now the clever thing for them to do is to neither deny nor confirm the IT. That way believers will keep on believing and everyone will be happy. Except for The Angry One of course but that...

Modifié par Zolt51, 10 mai 2012 - 10:46 .

[dreman9999]

Grimgaww wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

No, he is in the the process of it. Shepard in ME3 goes through every symtom of indoctrination.
The symtoms are:
Stage dreams.
Whispers.
Head ackes
Reduction of calculative thought.
Oily shadows.
Hallutionations
And a complution to do what is told of him from a voice.

Shepard has strang dreams with whispers in it with oily shadows. When Shepard is talik with TIM at the end of the game, they pop agein. Shep here's whispers and sees oily shadow in that scene, even has head ackes.

We also can't prove that the kid that died on earth is real or not. No one other then shepard interacts with him...He Plagues Sheps dream and then end up as the cataylist......And this is after TIM tries to indoctrinate Shepard.

Then there's the conversation with the Star kid, which Shepard never really question any thing he says....Similar too...http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=E5rjiKYmhJg#t=237s
Shep is not thinking alot in this scene and is very suggetive to what the Star kid says...

Point being, even if we take the ending as it is...Shepard is still in the process of indoctrination any way.....You missed it.

Sorry man you still didn't get it.

If Bioware wanted to use the IT on Shepard this is not the way to do that.

Why they didn't release an official movie that explains it instead of making the EC that was not
planned from the beginning ?

I believe you know that they are writing the EC (or rewrting it) right now very very carefully.
If  the ending was so clear to them and maybe they thought that also to us why they need to add the EC ???

Mass effect series is not a Stephen king/m night shyamalan movie that needs
a weired dark nonsensical ending.

Sry man don't buying it and IT.

For one we don't know that EC was not planned form the begining. And you really want them to laxily make a movie insteead of more interactivity?
Regardless of what you say there still a chance they are doing it, ether asa adream or hallutionation. They planned it for the plot beforeand it's stated if you read the last hour app, and it nearly happens in the game.
TIM already nearly indoctrinated Shepard in the end of the game any way, and based on how indoctrination works...It should indicate that Shep was going through slow indocrination in the series.

[Grimgaww]

dreman9999 wrote...

Grimgaww wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

No, he is in the the process of it. Shepard in ME3 goes through every symtom of indoctrination.
The symtoms are:
Stage dreams.
Whispers.
Head ackes
Reduction of calculative thought.
Oily shadows.
Hallutionations
And a complution to do what is told of him from a voice.

Shepard has strang dreams with whispers in it with oily shadows. When Shepard is talik with TIM at the end of the game, they pop agein. Shep here's whispers and sees oily shadow in that scene, even has head ackes.

We also can't prove that the kid that died on earth is real or not. No one other then shepard interacts with him...He Plagues Sheps dream and then end up as the cataylist......And this is after TIM tries to indoctrinate Shepard.

Then there's the conversation with the Star kid, which Shepard never really question any thing he says....Similar too...http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=E5rjiKYmhJg#t=237s
Shep is not thinking alot in this scene and is very suggetive to what the Star kid says...

Point being, even if we take the ending as it is...Shepard is still in the process of indoctrination any way.....You missed it.

Sorry man you still didn't get it.

If Bioware wanted to use the IT on Shepard this is not the way to do that.

Why they didn't release an official movie that explains it instead of making the EC that was not
planned from the beginning ?

I believe you know that they are writing the EC (or rewrting it) right now very very carefully.
If  the ending was so clear to them and maybe they thought that also to us why they need to add the EC ???

Mass effect series is not a Stephen king/m night shyamalan movie that needs
a weired dark nonsensical ending.

Sry man don't buying it and IT.

For one we don't know that EC was not planned form the begining. And you really want them to laxily make a movie insteead of more interactivity?
Regardless of what you say there still a chance they are doing it, ether asa adream or hallutionation. They planned it for the plot beforeand it's stated if you read the last hour app, and it nearly happens in the game.
TIM already nearly indoctrinated Shepard in the end of the game any way, and based on how indoctrination works...It should indicate that Shep was going through slow indocrination in the series.

You are in the right direction by saying that Bioware will choose dreaming/hallucinating.
I'm sure that Bioware will choose this direction (which i also think stupid for ME series).
With all the theories that gamers have made about the ending Bioware only need to take the best
(and most popular by fans as they see it) from the best theories and make the EC.

Bioware can say the war was not ended shepard was dreaming/hallucinating
when he was badly injured. He will recover (don't forget the prothean war against the reapers was for centuries)
and get back to action as a DLC.

This is all what we, the fans have wanted no ????
NO ....

Modifié par Grimgaww, 10 mai 2012 - 11:39 .

[tvman099]

It would've been, had it been included in the game when it came out.

The best it can be now is a band-aid.

But you can't treat a gunshot to the head with a band-aid. There's no saving ME3, IT or not. The game is a giant mess from beginning to end, with very few bright spots.