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[dreman9999]

Elyiia wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

simfamSP wrote...

This is what I predict:

If the IT is true, then BioWare will have another ****storm on their hands. People will activley claim that BioWare are lazy and took the idea away from fans.

Only idiots would say that because it's NOT a fan idea......the content is laid there in plain sight. TIM controlls shepard and forces him to shoot anderson but not one minute later Shepard accepts the startroll's logic that he can control the reapers because he's not under their control but TIM could not because they controlled him. The ONLY way to interpret that is that Shepard is under reaper control....if TIM who is just a tool can control Shep then so can the reapers.

So your way is the only way to interpret a situation? This is why I dislike IT.

But it's not a fan idea. Late hour app make's it clear that bioware thought about using indoctrination

[Darth_Trethon]

Elyiia wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

simfamSP wrote...

This is what I predict:

If the IT is true, then BioWare will have another ****storm on their hands. People will activley claim that BioWare are lazy and took the idea away from fans.

Only idiots would say that because it's NOT a fan idea......the content is laid there in plain sight. TIM controlls shepard and forces him to shoot anderson but not one minute later Shepard accepts the startroll's logic that he can control the reapers because he's not under their control but TIM could not because they controlled him. The ONLY way to interpret that is that Shepard is under reaper control....if TIM who is just a tool can control Shep then so can the reapers.

So your way is the only way to interpret a situation? This is why I dislike IT.

In the BioWare notes released in the Final Hours app by Kieghly it's clearly stated they planned for the player to lose control of Shep who fell under reaper influence for a segment though they claim it proved too difficult for development.......that's the only bit that's not true....they did implement it. But regardless it goes beyond a shadow of a doubt that it IS their idea....so yes this is the ONLY way to interpret this.

[Elyiia]

dreman9999 wrote...

Elyiia wrote...

If IT were true, I feel as though they would have said something. They wouldn't have left it for a month.

So your saying if IT was true, they would give spoilers to everyone about EC?

"The ending you saw is not the true end, it is coming and it will be free"
Tell me how that is spoilers.

[Darth_Trethon]

Elyiia wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Elyiia wrote...

If IT were true, I feel as though they would have said something. They wouldn't have left it for a month.

So your saying if IT was true, they would give spoilers to everyone about EC?

"The ending you saw is not the true end, it is coming and it will be free"
Tell me how that is spoilers.

Patrick Weekes DID say over twitter that any comment from them regarding the IT would be spoilers.

[Hihoshi101]

If they do go for IT I hope it was in development when the game was on its way out the door... and is A LOT more than 'some cut scenes'. I love the theory because it would be a new way to tell a story involving the game community and is clever.... but it is not something they could get away with twice and I would also expect people to be upset, but the EC is free so deal with it... I will be happy as long as they do a good job with the EC.

[Elyiia]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Elyiia wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Elyiia wrote...

If IT were true, I feel as though they would have said something. They wouldn't have left it for a month.

So your saying if IT was true, they would give spoilers to everyone about EC?

"The ending you saw is not the true end, it is coming and it will be free"
Tell me how that is spoilers.

Patrick Weekes DID say over twitter that any comment from them regarding the IT would be spoilers.

You do realise that is pure PR right?

[dreman9999]

Elyiia wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Elyiia wrote...

If IT were true, I feel as though they would have said something. They wouldn't have left it for a month.

So your saying if IT was true, they would give spoilers to everyone about EC?

"The ending you saw is not the true end, it is coming and it will be free"
Tell me how that is spoilers.

Again, that would be a spoiler...This time to everyone who has not played the game.

[dreman9999]

Elyiia wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Elyiia wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Elyiia wrote...

If IT were true, I feel as though they would have said something. They wouldn't have left it for a month.

So your saying if IT was true, they would give spoilers to everyone about EC?

"The ending you saw is not the true end, it is coming and it will be free"
Tell me how that is spoilers.

Patrick Weekes DID say over twitter that any comment from them regarding the IT would be spoilers.

You do realise that is pure PR right?

Wouldn't the ending is not real also be pure PR?

[Darth_Trethon]

Elyiia wrote...

You do realise that is pure PR right?

And that's why they're not telling you you don't have the real ending.....pure PR.....so what's your point then?

[Grimgaww]

StElmo wrote...

A lot of people don't believe IT, that's fine. I'm pretty skeptical myself.

This thread isn't about the theory itself, but the narrative genius of the concept.

If IT is not true and the ending is literal, it is "thematically revolting" as that Lit professor said, lol.

But if IT IS TRUE, it's actually extremely clever, because it plays with narrative devices in a very compelling fashion, simply put, the use of Red and Blue to trick the player in to believing which choice is "right" using preconcieved notions.

So according to IT, the left and center "blue blue/green" choices are bad (succumbing to reaper suggestions), despite having the paragon blue color.

As others have noted, this is an incredible piece of narrative creativity. It forces the audience into the role of shepard and creates a manipulative circumstance in which to trick less-savvy players into going along with the reaper suggestions.

To me, this is freaking genius. Even if you don't believe IT - I am a skeptic too - but not becasue I hate the idea, but because if true, it would be one of the greatest little narrative moves I have ever witnessed.

I guess a lot of belief in IT, is wether you believe BioWare would or could pull something that interesting off!

Creative - Yes
Clever - No
Stupid -Yes

[Elyiia]

dreman9999 wrote...

Elyiia wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Elyiia wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Elyiia wrote...

If IT were true, I feel as though they would have said something. They wouldn't have left it for a month.

So your saying if IT was true, they would give spoilers to everyone about EC?

"The ending you saw is not the true end, it is coming and it will be free"
Tell me how that is spoilers.

Patrick Weekes DID say over twitter that any comment from them regarding the IT would be spoilers.

You do realise that is pure PR right?

Wouldn't the ending is not real also be pure PR?

No, they wouldn't need a PR campaign if they have said it outright.

Again, that would be a spoiler...This time to everyone who has not played the game.

Because they totally don't have a ME3 story and campaign forum which allows people to post spoilers.

[Bone_Mosaic]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

simfamSP wrote...

This is what I predict:

If the IT is true, then BioWare will have another ****storm on their hands. People will activley claim that BioWare are lazy and took the idea away from fans.

Only idiots would say that because it's NOT a fan idea......the content is laid there in plain sight. TIM controlls shepard and forces him to shoot anderson but not one minute later Shepard accepts the startroll's logic that he can control the reapers because he's not under their control but TIM could not because they controlled him. The ONLY way to interpret that is that Shepard is under reaper control....if TIM who is just a tool can control Shep then so can the reapers.

I do agree in a way, upon reading about the Indoc Theory it rang true with a lot of things for me, like the parallels with the area around the citadel beam and the decision area around star child, with the left side apearing to look like Mako wheels just like the mako to the left of you after Harbingers beam. And to your right an overturned Mako, and right in front of you a beam just like the Synthesis beam.

Destroy- Shoot the Mako's underside (possibly feul tank) and awaken in the rubble that Harbingeer left you in
Control- There was a Mako to your left so...I don't know.
Synthesis- you head into the beam. And see what happens.

It seems like there was supposed to be more. But again, we'll never know. The game was released, the ending blew dogs gonads, rage ensued.

And I think it was EA's fault. I couldn't believe it when I heard the original release date. It was way too early. I felt the extra months added were a great relief in that BioWare had maintained control and this was going to be up to BioWare's standards. (Yeah I know a lot of people weren't pleased with DA2 me included in part.)

But I was wrong, I can only imagine what ME3 would have been if released late 2011.

[Darth_Trethon]

Elyiia wrote...

No, they wouldn't need a PR campaign if they have said it outright.

They're not saying it because it would be damaging to their reputaition....they shipped an unfinished game, finances and all that.....so they're not telling you, it's pure PR.

[dreman9999]

Grimgaww wrote...

StElmo wrote...

A lot of people don't believe IT, that's fine. I'm pretty skeptical myself.

This thread isn't about the theory itself, but the narrative genius of the concept.

If IT is not true and the ending is literal, it is "thematically revolting" as that Lit professor said, lol.

But if IT IS TRUE, it's actually extremely clever, because it plays with narrative devices in a very compelling fashion, simply put, the use of Red and Blue to trick the player in to believing which choice is "right" using preconcieved notions.

So according to IT, the left and center "blue blue/green" choices are bad (succumbing to reaper suggestions), despite having the paragon blue color.

As others have noted, this is an incredible piece of narrative creativity. It forces the audience into the role of shepard and creates a manipulative circumstance in which to trick less-savvy players into going along with the reaper suggestions.

To me, this is freaking genius. Even if you don't believe IT - I am a skeptic too - but not becasue I hate the idea, but because if true, it would be one of the greatest little narrative moves I have ever witnessed.

I guess a lot of belief in IT, is wether you believe BioWare would or could pull something that interesting off!

Creative - Yes
Clever - No
Stupid -Yes

So the concept of inception and total recall are stupid, too...Because IT is simular to those plots....Also, Shepard facing indoctrination has been forshadow from ME1.....

[Alexius]

If.

But it isn't.

[Elyiia]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Elyiia wrote...

No, they wouldn't need a PR campaign if they have said it outright.

They're not saying it because it would be damaging to their reputaition....they shipped an unfinished game, finances and all that.....so they're not telling you, it's pure PR.

What's more damaging to their reputation, fully aknowledging the game shipped without an ending and noting that a free ending will be coming.

Or the current situation?

[dreman9999]

Arcian wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Elyiia wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

simfamSP wrote...

This is what I predict:

If the IT is true, then BioWare will have another ****storm on their hands. People will activley claim that BioWare are lazy and took the idea away from fans.

Only idiots would say that because it's NOT a fan idea......the content is laid there in plain sight. TIM controlls shepard and forces him to shoot anderson but not one minute later Shepard accepts the startroll's logic that he can control the reapers because he's not under their control but TIM could not because they controlled him. The ONLY way to interpret that is that Shepard is under reaper control....if TIM who is just a tool can control Shep then so can the reapers.

So your way is the only way to interpret a situation? This is why I dislike IT.

But it's not a fan idea. Late hour app make's it clear that bioware thought about using indoctrination

Indoctrination=//=IDT magical "battle of wills" dream state.

I think you need to prove that Bioware didn't come up with it on their own first before making baseless comments.

[Darth_Trethon]

Arcian wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Elyiia wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

simfamSP wrote...

This is what I predict:

If the IT is true, then BioWare will have another ****storm on their hands. People will activley claim that BioWare are lazy and took the idea away from fans.

Only idiots would say that because it's NOT a fan idea......the content is laid there in plain sight. TIM controlls shepard and forces him to shoot anderson but not one minute later Shepard accepts the startroll's logic that he can control the reapers because he's not under their control but TIM could not because they controlled him. The ONLY way to interpret that is that Shepard is under reaper control....if TIM who is just a tool can control Shep then so can the reapers.

So your way is the only way to interpret a situation? This is why I dislike IT.

But it's not a fan idea. Late hour app make's it clear that bioware thought about using indoctrination

Indoctrination=//=IDT magical "battle of wills" dream state.

Right, that would be a fact NOT a theory.....but the indoctrination part is not our idea and regardless of how they go about implementing the indoctrination twist the IT is still not our idea.....the ending sequences are disconnected and nonsensical....like a dream as created by BioWare....still NOT our idea.

[dreman9999]

Elyiia wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Elyiia wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Elyiia wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Elyiia wrote...

If IT were true, I feel as though they would have said something. They wouldn't have left it for a month.

So your saying if IT was true, they would give spoilers to everyone about EC?

"The ending you saw is not the true end, it is coming and it will be free"
Tell me how that is spoilers.

Patrick Weekes DID say over twitter that any comment from them regarding the IT would be spoilers.

You do realise that is pure PR right?

Wouldn't the ending is not real also be pure PR?

No, they wouldn't need a PR campaign if they have said it outright.

Again, that would be a spoiler...This time to everyone who has not played the game.

Because they totally don't have a ME3 story and campaign forum which allows people to post spoilers.

No, I mean, wouldn't them tell people the ending is not real be pure PR as well?
Also, your not getting the concept to where they would make this annoucement. They mostly do via twitter and all forums. They also, could of said this at Pax as well.

[FatalX7.0]

Yeah, they tried to use indoctrination.

But they didn't. They scrapped it. No indoctrination.

And if I remember correctly, IT started before that bit from the Final Hours app.

Though, could be wrong. It's lame either way.

Modifié par FatalX7.0, 09 mai 2012 - 01:09 .

[Elyiia]

dreman9999 wrote...

No, I mean, wouldn't them tell people the ending is not real be pure PR as well?
Also, your not getting the concept to where they would make this annoucement. They mostly do via twitter and all forums. They also, could of said this at Pax as well.

No, it wouldn't. Their PR team is preventing Bioware from saying anything so they can fix the situation in the best way. It would have been a completely different situation.

They mostly do it via Twitter/all forums, that means they can't just post it here until more people have finished and posted it in a more public manner and altogether avoided this ragefest?

[Darth_Trethon]

Elyiia wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Elyiia wrote...

No, they wouldn't need a PR campaign if they have said it outright.

They're not saying it because it would be damaging to their reputaition....they shipped an unfinished game, finances and all that.....so they're not telling you, it's pure PR.

What's more damaging to their reputation, fully aknowledging the game shipped without an ending and noting that a free ending will be coming.

Or the current situation?

Clearly the PR experts decided that not acknowledging it is better for them, what's your point? It doesn't matter what you or I think because we don't know the full situation that led to the game being shipped incomplete, perhaps if the details of that came out it would be more damaging and by not admitting it they stonewall the prying attempts by claiming this is what they wanted all along and were surprised by fan reaction.

[Pelle6666]

No kidding! That would be the best ending to a video game ever made! I don't think any one would dare to try a move like that!

[Darth_Trethon]

Pelle6666 wrote...

No kidding! That would be the best ending to a video game ever made! I don't think any one would dare to try a move like that!

Hahaha....nice sarcasm, and I agree.