simfamSP wrote...
This is what I predict:
If the IT is true, then BioWare will have another ****storm on their hands. People will activley claim that BioWare are lazy and took the idea away from fans.
Master Che wrote...
Kunari801 wrote...
For IT to be true, then that means ME3 was shipped incomplete. The ending animations, IMHO, counter the IT with all three colors are basically the same. If "Destroy" is the way out from indoctrination, then it should be a vastly different ending.
If they use IT in the EC I won't mind as long as they do a good job. If they do, that means the war is still going on, so I'd love a ME4 where Shepard fights off indoctrination and we then finish the war by more conventional means.
I think we're still in the ending sequence when the credits roll.
YES, it means we got an incomplete game (more on that later). I think the full weight of our choice (hopefully choices) were to play out in the DLC. If you picked destroy, what Shepard set out to do back when you first picked up ME back in November of 2007 (ok, I picked it up in 2010, but you get my point), AND you had a high enough EMS you got a tease: SHEPARD TAKING A HALF BREATH IN. If you didn't, then you just didn't get the teaser. Which leads me to believe that the ACTUAL best ending may not require as many EMS points to see Shepard breathing (which is effectively just an easter egg reward for staying true and diligent).
About the DLC:
I've maintained that the intent was to release portions of the extended cut over the DLC cycle for the single player mode. You'd get another piece of the ending with each piece of DLC you bought. It backfired, people got pissed so to quiet the vocal discontent they decided to push all other DLC aside and make one ending DLC for free.
Kunari801 wrote...
Master Che wrote...
Kunari801 wrote...
For IT to be true, then that means ME3 was shipped incomplete. The ending animations, IMHO, counter the IT with all three colors are basically the same. If "Destroy" is the way out from indoctrination, then it should be a vastly different ending.
If they use IT in the EC I won't mind as long as they do a good job. If they do, that means the war is still going on, so I'd love a ME4 where Shepard fights off indoctrination and we then finish the war by more conventional means.
I think we're still in the ending sequence when the credits roll.
YES, it means we got an incomplete game (more on that later). I think the full weight of our choice (hopefully choices) were to play out in the DLC. If you picked destroy, what Shepard set out to do back when you first picked up ME back in November of 2007 (ok, I picked it up in 2010, but you get my point), AND you had a high enough EMS you got a tease: SHEPARD TAKING A HALF BREATH IN. If you didn't, then you just didn't get the teaser. Which leads me to believe that the ACTUAL best ending may not require as many EMS points to see Shepard breathing (which is effectively just an easter egg reward for staying true and diligent).
About the DLC:
I've maintained that the intent was to release portions of the extended cut over the DLC cycle for the single player mode. You'd get another piece of the ending with each piece of DLC you bought. It backfired, people got pissed so to quiet the vocal discontent they decided to push all other DLC aside and make one ending DLC for free.
If your theory is true, it backfired because the stock "ending" "cliff-hanger" or whatever you want to call it was terrible.
Before launch they said there woudln't be post-game-ending DLC, they'd all be before the end. I know, I know, they said allot of things prior to release.
News flash...They are making this dlc call extended cut.....Kunari801 wrote...
Master Che wrote...
Kunari801 wrote...
For IT to be true, then that means ME3 was shipped incomplete. The ending animations, IMHO, counter the IT with all three colors are basically the same. If "Destroy" is the way out from indoctrination, then it should be a vastly different ending.
If they use IT in the EC I won't mind as long as they do a good job. If they do, that means the war is still going on, so I'd love a ME4 where Shepard fights off indoctrination and we then finish the war by more conventional means.
I think we're still in the ending sequence when the credits roll.
YES, it means we got an incomplete game (more on that later). I think the full weight of our choice (hopefully choices) were to play out in the DLC. If you picked destroy, what Shepard set out to do back when you first picked up ME back in November of 2007 (ok, I picked it up in 2010, but you get my point), AND you had a high enough EMS you got a tease: SHEPARD TAKING A HALF BREATH IN. If you didn't, then you just didn't get the teaser. Which leads me to believe that the ACTUAL best ending may not require as many EMS points to see Shepard breathing (which is effectively just an easter egg reward for staying true and diligent).
About the DLC:
I've maintained that the intent was to release portions of the extended cut over the DLC cycle for the single player mode. You'd get another piece of the ending with each piece of DLC you bought. It backfired, people got pissed so to quiet the vocal discontent they decided to push all other DLC aside and make one ending DLC for free.
If your theory is true, it backfired because the stock "ending" "cliff-hanger" or whatever you want to call it was terrible.
Before launch they said there woudln't be post-game-ending DLC, they'd all be before the end. I know, I know, they said allot of things prior to release.
simfamSP wrote...
This is what I predict:
If the IT is true, then BioWare will have another ****storm on their hands. People will activley claim that BioWare are lazy and took the idea away from fans.
draken-heart wrote...
If it is IT and Shepard has a LI, why not use a VI that looks like them to try to convince you to side with the reapers. just saying if i was a reapers doing this to Shepard, i would use someone Shepard cares about, not some child.
still not taking a side on the IT/anti-IT debate
kobayashi-maru wrote...
IT theory is dead the end won't change and from what little info is revealed it will be cinematics only. Jessica Merizan tweeted about EC saying it will not change or add anything just show you what you had to infer previously.
NoSpin wrote...
And just like that change of codex entry, Bioware can say the indoc process started elsewhere. The point of Arrival (according to IT) was that was meant to be the start. If you didn't buy it then the start is another less obvious place, but that was the "point" of Arrival.
Speculation.
balance5050 wrote...
kobayashi-maru wrote...
IT theory is dead the end won't change and from what little info is revealed it will be cinematics only. Jessica Merizan tweeted about EC saying it will not change or add anything just show you what you had to infer previously.
LOL at folks who take what she says as gospel. She said, "
@[/s]ben_bronson[/b] no we're just showing you what you had to infer previously. Not a change or an addition. Just more to visually process. "
So that's why the voice actors have been in the studio recently huh? For "visuals"?
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Tom Lehrer wrote...
NoSpin wrote...
And just like that change of codex entry, Bioware can say the indoc process started elsewhere. The point of Arrival (according to IT) was that was meant to be the start. If you didn't buy it then the start is another less obvious place, but that was the "point" of Arrival.
Speculation.
The point of Arrival was to slow the Reapers down.
Go back to ME1 and you will learn there is no such thing as 'just a little indoctrinated' or breaking free of it and still being alive. Every example of an indoctrinated person had to be killed or killed themselves.
kobayashi-maru wrote...
balance5050 wrote...
kobayashi-maru wrote...
IT theory is dead the end won't change and from what little info is revealed it will be cinematics only. Jessica Merizan tweeted about EC saying it will not change or add anything just show you what you had to infer previously.
LOL at folks who take what she says as gospel. She said, "
@[/s]ben_bronson[/b] no we're just showing you what you had to infer previously. Not a change or an addition. Just more to visually process. "
So that's why the voice actors have been in the studio recently huh? For "visuals"?
Cinematics would need the voice actors. I don't take what she says as gospel but as
My own personal theory is that the EC will be less about the ending than people would like and more about seeing your assets and crew in action during the final battle with very little after the fact. That's what I meant - and honestly I deleted 3 paragraphs of rating about fans being called dumb because we need ending explained while citadel deaths and relay destruction original consequences get retconned all over the place while being told nothing is being changed.
balance5050 wrote...
kobayashi-maru wrote...
balance5050 wrote...
kobayashi-maru wrote...
IT theory is dead the end won't change and from what little info is revealed it will be cinematics only. Jessica Merizan tweeted about EC saying it will not change or add anything just show you what you had to infer previously.
LOL at folks who take what she says as gospel. She said, "
@[/s]ben_bronson[/b] no we're just showing you what you had to infer previously. Not a change or an addition. Just more to visually process. "
So that's why the voice actors have been in the studio recently huh? For "visuals"?
Cinematics would need the voice actors. I don't take what she says as gospel but as
My own personal theory is that the EC will be less about the ending than people would like and more about seeing your assets and crew in action during the final battle with very little after the fact. That's what I meant - and honestly I deleted 3 paragraphs of rating about fans being called dumb because we need ending explained while citadel deaths and relay destruction original consequences get retconned all over the place while being told nothing is being changed.
Cinematics would be an addition.
You win. But it isn't an addition, you read it, it is in fact just more to visually process. Just as I'm not fat, my body is just more to visually process than a thin person.
Modifié par kobayashi-maru, 09 mai 2012 - 07:29 .
kobayashi-maru wrote...
We don't know if the parts did or did not cause indoctrination. We don't know any detals on who found them and there fate. So we can't say.Kunari801 wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
http://masseffect.wi...ing_Survey_TeamElyiia wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
They can also indoctrinate by just being...AKA planet husk 1 in ME1. Not only that but hisk give out indoctrination waves. Then there is Sovergin being in the area. And the their is everything else in ME1 and ME2 that can get the ball rolling. Point being, that's 3 year wurth of being near indoctrinating reaper tech.Elyiia wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
It's doesn't matter if Arrival is optional. The artifact on arrival is not the only reaper tech Shepard has been near by. If you don't play arriaval, then their is the other reaper tech Shepard has been near by since Eden prime in ME1 that starts the process.
You mean the dragon's teeth? The Reaper device that specifically requires the impaling of an organic to indoctrinate it?
Again, these people were studying the Reaper tech. Aka prolonged exposure. And there's no evidence that they indoctrinated by just being there. All you know is there are Dragon's Teeth, and husks. Sovereign was no where near Shepard, and likely didn't even know he was there. There's nothing else in ME1 and only the minuest point in ME2 that actually makes sense.
Also, it been long time priven that reaper tech indcotrianate by just being...
http://masseffect.wi..._Abandoned_Mine
http://masseffect.wi..._Hanar_Diplomat
There are some counters: All the parts of Soverign would have crashed all over the Citadel in ME1, yet no one got indoctrinated. I know it's clamed that most of Soverign disapeard maybe by the Keepers, etc.
I don't believe in the IT, but I do think it's an interesting theory. The ending cinematics wouldn't be so similar if IT was real, or all three options are part of the IT with no-way out.
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