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[Apathy1989]

Yeah I felt the same way. Ash did some bipolar character reversal in ME3. Goes from headstrong snarky sarcastic tomboy with poetic femininity hidden beneath..... to irritating doubter who constantly pisses Shepard off, then dolls herself up as if she is trying to get him.


I wish she still had the hair in a bun, but dropped it down loose during the romance scene. That would have been a sexy surprise without breaking the character.

I would have liked her to be more trusting of Shepard if there was a romance. I would have liked to see her more involved with the crew, she currently just hides. I would have liked more teasing from her, rather than just reacting to Shepards own teasing rather plainly.

I would have liked less moaning about her family and poets, and more building up of her character rather than revisiting things we already know. She needed alot more interaction.

Modifié par Apathy1989, 09 mai 2012 - 11:14 .

[Made Nightwing]

Frankly, most of the concerns about Ashley's 'trust' aren't all that well founded. Sure, she talks about Cerberus a few times, but it's virtually nothing compared to the rest of the game. What makes it stand out is that they CUT SO MUCH DAMN CONTENT. Seriously, look at the Tali and Ash conversation that was cut, the whole conversation with Ash about dying and coming back.

In the missions, Ash still has banter with the squad, and she has more conversations on the Citadel than the other squadmates. It's just on the damn ship, where we expect the most interaction with our squad, that the production team ruthlessly slashed everything. If they can restore what they took out, then a lot more of Ashley's personality would come back out.

[Apathy1989]

Made Nightwing wrote...

Frankly, most of the concerns about Ashley's 'trust' aren't all that well founded. Sure, she talks about Cerberus a few times, but it's virtually nothing compared to the rest of the game. What makes it stand out is that they CUT SO MUCH DAMN CONTENT. Seriously, look at the Tali and Ash conversation that was cut, the whole conversation with Ash about dying and coming back.

In the missions, Ash still has banter with the squad, and she has more conversations on the Citadel than the other squadmates. It's just on the damn ship, where we expect the most interaction with our squad, that the production team ruthlessly slashed everything. If they can restore what they took out, then a lot more of Ashley's personality would come back out.

Yeah I suppose thats true. Biggest glaring issue is that she sits in obs, alone, and never talks to anyone. 

Should have seen her kicking Vagas ass in a fight at least once. 

[Made Nightwing]

She does come out if you do the Tuchanka Bomb mission after the Cerberus Coup. You just need a bit of timing.

[lil yonce]

Apathy1989 wrote...

Yeah I suppose thats true. Biggest glaring issue is that she sits in obs, alone, and never talks to anyone. 

Should have seen her kicking Vagas ass in a fight at least once. 

I'll drop this here.

[Hellfire257]

It's just typical of ME3. You're either alarmed at how much missed potential there is or wondering what the hell happened.

[Ageless Face]

Made Nightwing wrote...

Frankly, most of the concerns about Ashley's 'trust' aren't all that well founded. Sure, she talks about Cerberus a few times, but it's virtually nothing compared to the rest of the game. What makes it stand out is that they CUT SO MUCH DAMN CONTENT. Seriously, look at the Tali and Ash conversation that was cut, the whole conversation with Ash about dying and coming back.

In the missions, Ash still has banter with the squad, and she has more conversations on the Citadel than the other squadmates. It's just on the damn ship, where we expect the most interaction with our squad, that the production team ruthlessly slashed everything. If they can restore what they took out, then a lot more of Ashley's personality would come back out.

Well, i wouldn't say it's not well founded. She remarks about Cerberus a few times on mars. Cerberus was the main reason she points the gun on Shepard. That's also why she wouldn't put the gun down if you didn't do anything to make her doubt you are with Cerberus (oh and the fact you didn't gave her flowers of course. Really, who was the genius who thought about that?). 

The problem is, that i didn't see at all Ashley trying to figure out why Shepard worked with Cerberus aside from the obvious collector's problem. Kaidan got a scene where he tries to ask about TIM, and get some sort of an idea about him and the hole organization. I get it that Kaidan and Ashley are not the same characters, but i would be interested what she thoguht about Cerberus, not just quoting the Alliance.
In short, they didn't gave us much to make Ashley's trust- And shepard's for some-  to be rebuild.
 

[Obvakhi]

 I have no problem with her looks. Shows that she's not a tomboy 24/7 and not afraid to show off her feminine side.

Biggest problem I have is the dialogue. That sassy playful flirt that I love from ME1 was absent. Shepard and Ashley never even act like a couple until the end of the game.
And of course, how very little conversation she has on the Normandy. The whole drunk scene wasn't even that funny.

[Obvakhi]

MACharlie1 wrote...
Her armor....you can tell that it was a rush job. It is a ported FemShep armor from ME2 with a retexture. They were originally going to use her jacket outfit as her armor! You can tell - her CE is a reskin of the jacket. Why use that instead of the armor? Because it was last minute. They realized that they goofed and had to make a quick armor for her. Why would Kaidan get a unique set of armor but not Ash? How is Ash's jacket more combat ready then Vega's t-shirt?

It's because her default outfit is more iconic. It wasn't a last minute decision, they always intended for Ash to have armor... the whining on here just made them reveal it sooner. Bioware loves to recycle outfits, so they probably didn't spend a lot of time on Ashley's armor because they thought nobody would want to use it.

[Psycoman2]

I did not like Ash much at all from ME2 on.
Mistrust of cerberus is understandable, but i would have liked to explain myself better and convince her that it was a nesasary evil. I fould it really odd how ****y Ash was about you working with cerberus when Garus and Tali accepted it with a few lines of dialog and Moradin, Samara, and Grunt didnt even seem to give it a second thought.

Then in ME3...
I honestly wish i could have just shot Ash in the face when she started interrogating me about Cerberus on mars.
The, "You either trust me or you don't now STFU", line wasnt enough.

Then when you finally get her on the ship you never get a real conversation with her, she just sits there and says a few random lines after every misson, like Zaeed in ME2, accept absolutely nothing she says is interesting in any way.

Maybe its different if you romanced and stayed loyal to her through it all but i hate her so much now that i refuse to devote any playtime to discovering new dialog.


Oh and about her looks. Character lore is irrelivent, shes a woman and she a love interest, being surprise or annoyed that they made her hotter is like googling "breast exam" and getting annoyed by all the porn that came up.

Modifié par Psycoman2, 10 mai 2012 - 06:59 .

[Made Nightwing]

@Psycoman2.

Yep, really living up to your name there. You wish you could shoot someone in the face because they want answers about you working with a terrorist organisation? That's pretty damn psychotic.

@HagarIshay.

You know, I always thought that maybe it was because SHEPARD WAS POINTING A GUN AT A COUNCILOR? (sorry about the caps lock, but I have strong feelings on that point.) No matter whether Shepard had ever worked with Cerberus or not, her reaction was the same thing I'd expect from somebody assigned to protect a VIP. Kind of like how only the US Secret Service is allowed to carry weapons around the POTUS, and not even decorated soldiers are permitted to carry weapons around him.

[ThatDancingTurian]

I was extremely disappointed in Ashley's characterization in ME3. I wanted her back on the team for so long. And when I got her back, what did I get? A completely different woman.

After all we've been through she wouldn't let her guard down for a second, she didn't even call my Shepard 'Skipper' anymore. Even her personal Citadel 'date' seemed to have her keeping Shepard at arms' length. She had absolutely no character arc (aside from the job change), no interaction with the rest of the squad, it's like she wasn't even there. I spent so much time before the release date imagining what she might say, what kind of hilarious banters she'd have with the old crew and squad after all this time, what she'd think about my Shep kissing turians. Then I got nothing.

ManShep had Joker, Garrus and Wrex as epic bros. Who did my FemShep have as an epic sis? No one. Tali was always like a little sister I had to look after, Liara was too busy mooning after Shepard to be a proper gal-pal. Ashley was going to be my Shepard's BFF, the one female on the squad that really got her. It was going to be just like in the FemShep cinematic; two kick-ass women saving the day (with the help of a certain turian).

In the end, Jack 'the psycho' turned out to be that friend, someone to spill drinks with and joke and have a moment of levity. I love Jack and I love the culmination of her relationship with Shepard. I wouldn't trade it for anything. But it should have been like that with Ashley too. I wanted it with Ashley.

Modifié par Aris Ravenstar, 10 mai 2012 - 07:30 .

[From Tuchanka with Love]

 Okay, so Ashley. She felt like the same annoying, redneck chick as always to me. Maybe it's the fact that I've always hated her character's personality in general, but I didn't see much of a change in her besides the situations she found her self in didn't give her much room to be the prude **** she normally is. Which actually was worse. So I guess I agree with you. She was worse than usual. Now, my LI Jack, there is something disappointing. Not only should Jack have been a squad mate, but she also had an amazing introduction in the game, before being completely dropped.

[CptData]

Obvakhi wrote...

 I have no problem with her looks. Shows that she's not a tomboy 24/7 and not afraid to show off her feminine side.

Biggest problem I have is the dialogue. That sassy playful flirt that I love from ME1 was absent. Shepard and Ashley never even act like a couple until the end of the game.
And of course, how very little conversation she has on the Normandy. The whole drunk scene wasn't even that funny.

Well, I loved the sassy Ash. In ME3 she's too silent.

Hell, I can type down two pages of text just to give you an overview why I love Ashley. And then I should do the job and mark stuff that's missing in ME3 - you may have two pages nearly of red marked lines then ...

Ashley lives - thanks to headcanon and fanfics. ME3/second half doesn't deliver enough input to keep Ash alive. Except the romance scenes.

[NasChoka]

Obvakhi wrote...

 I have no problem with her looks. Shows that she's not a tomboy 24/7 and not afraid to show off her feminine side.

Biggest problem I have is the dialogue. That sassy playful flirt that I love from ME1 was absent. Shepard and Ashley never even act like a couple until the end of the game.
And of course, how very little conversation she has on the Normandy. The whole drunk scene wasn't even that funny.

Sassy playful flirting while earth is under attack and she worries about her family? Being desperate and getting drunk is more realistic. 

I think she looks much better in me3. Maybe she wanted to look more like miranda to get Sheppard back :innocent:

[CptData]

^ well, that "sassy playful flirting Ashley" appears in the romance scenes. Why not outside of 'em too?

Besides that, most Ashfans want some non-romantic interactions as well. It hasn't to be flirty all times, NasChoka, nope. My Shepard simply wants to talk to Ash - for instance about Earth. He wants to comfort her and also (kinda expects) wants her to be on his side when he needs comfort too.

Basically: Garrus and Liara show what I was expecting for Ashley and Kaidan in ME3.

[SJNKD]

The problem is Ashley isn't guaranteed to make it past the citadel coup, so they decided to lessen her dialogue so you wouldn't notice the absence if she did die. Like many of us, we kept Ashley alive and her dialogue was little. It annoys me so much and there isn't much we can do. Her romance was good, but not as good as I hoped. Since there was conversations were cut from the final game.

[CptData]

SJNKD wrote...

The problem is Ashley isn't guaranteed to make it past the citadel coup, so they decided to lessen her dialogue so you wouldn't notice the absence if she did die. Like many of us, we kept Ashley alive and her dialogue was little. It annoys me so much and there isn't much we can do. Her romance was good, but not as good as I hoped. Since there was conversations were cut from the final game.

Well ...

- Tali can die in ME2 and ME3
- Garrus can die in ME2 (but can't die in ME3)
- Garrus also can be ignored in ME1, joining Shepard first time in ME2.
- Liara can't die
- Vega can't die
- Ashley can die in ME1 and ME3
- Kaidan can die in ME1 and ME3

So Tali can die as often as the VS (reducing her to a cameo in ME2 and ME3, if you put the missions in the "right" order) and still gets more lines in the second half than the VS.

Fact dismissed.

[Omega Torsk]

^ I was also gonna mention Wrex, but Data pretty much hit the nail on the head.

[CroGamer002]

^Plus, Tali and Garrus have more ways to die in ME2 then VS in both ME1 and ME3.
Hell an extra more death with Tali then from Garrus since you can avoid recruiting her.

[Apathy1989]

Psycoman2 wrote...

Maybe its different if you romanced and stayed loyal to her through it all but i hate her so much now that i refuse to devote any playtime to discovering new dialog.

Nope. I had a playthrough where I was a loyal romance.

On Mars there is a breif moment where you say you love her and want to prove yourself, which is nice. But after that and the talk in the hospital, she has no romance dialogue until the final love scene. I would understand her mistrusting Shepard if he was unloyal, but loyalty should go a long way torwards convincing her.

[SJNKD]

CptData wrote...

SJNKD wrote...

The problem is Ashley isn't guaranteed to make it past the citadel coup, so they decided to lessen her dialogue so you wouldn't notice the absence if she did die. Like many of us, we kept Ashley alive and her dialogue was little. It annoys me so much and there isn't much we can do. Her romance was good, but not as good as I hoped. Since there was conversations were cut from the final game.

Well ...

- Tali can die in ME2 and ME3
- Garrus can die in ME2 (but can't die in ME3)
- Garrus also can be ignored in ME1, joining Shepard first time in ME2.
- Liara can't die
- Vega can't die
- Ashley can die in ME1 and ME3
- Kaidan can die in ME1 and ME3

So Tali can die as often as the VS (reducing her to a cameo in ME2 and ME3, if you put the missions in the "right" order) and still gets more lines in the second half than the VS.

Fact dismissed.

If you didn't notice, how many group conversations are they present in?

[CptData]

Whom do you mean, SJNKD?

Garrus, Vega and Liara are basically always in some kind of group conversation, same for Javik. One of those guys is ALWAYS there ...

Tali gets lot of interaction in the last third of the game before the finale. It's just Ash & Kaidan who don't contribute anything ... right?

[DirtySHISN0]

Its rather annoying that Shepard has to say something nice about the virmire survivor after killing/transfer them. It doesn't fit considering my shep complained to anderson about him adding ashley to the crew in ME1. And on the 1 occasion i let ash live/stay i was disappointed by how little she said, from the coup onwards.

[kumquats]

SJNKD wrote...

The problem is Ashley isn't guaranteed to make it past the citadel coup, so they decided to lessen her dialogue so you wouldn't notice the absence if she did die. Like many of us, we kept Ashley alive and her dialogue was little. It annoys me so much and there isn't much we can do. Her romance was good, but not as good as I hoped. Since there was conversations were cut from the final game.

The same can be said for Kaidan and there is no doubt in my mind, that she got cut and sidelined compared to him.
And that really bothers me. Don't get me wrong, I love Kaidan in ME3, but why didn't Ashley get some interactions with the Crew?

The whole drunken scene, felt forced for me and not funny at all. But yeah, lets cut the amazing heart to heart talk, for forced comedy. >.<