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[The Night Mammoth]

Eire Icon wrote...

Vurculac wrote...

Maybe, maybe not. The Reapers are going to destroy the fleet anyway if you do nothing at all. This plan B is as valid as any. in the end the only real clear choices are 1) Fight the extinction event to the last man or 2) Lie down and die. Personally, under the circumstances if I have to go down, I'd rather go down swinging. I certianly would not care one way or another as to what the commander of the reapers had to say at all at this point.

If I have a choice between picking one of the Catalysts options or humanity being wiped out  I'm going to go with one of the Catalyst choices

And there is no "Maybe, Maybe not" - Throughout the entire game its said numerous times that the Reapers can't be beaten conventionally. Are we honestly suggesting that the entire galaxy just miscalculated ?

This is hypothetical. The premise being that destroying the Citadel/Catalyst weakens the Reapers. You're trying to use facts to argue against it, which is strange. You'd rather use the Crucible than actually defeat the Reapers without paying some ridiculous cost. 

And once again, what a few characters say when it conflicts with what we're actually shown by the game, is irrelevant. How many other things in this story were impossible according to these same characters? I mean, you have this conversation with them. Pretty sure it's with Garrus. He talks about how pretty much everything in this game was seen as impossible until Shepard came along. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 11 mai 2012 - 12:37 .

[The Night Mammoth]

Eire Icon wrote...

Noelemahc wrote...

And the Reapers destroy the remainder of the fleet - not a good plan

Not quite. We don't know what the Crucible does any more than we know what killing the Starchild would achieve. As far as Shepard is concerned, in-universe, blowing up the Citadel, the throne of the evil AI God, is far safer than activating this Aperture-Science-We-Don't-Know-What-It-Does.
".

Taken from Mass Efect Wiki

"The station's hull is sufficiently strong that, even when subjected to the most advanced weaponry available, it would take several days of sustained bombardment to inflict any serious damage to the superstructure. "

How exactly are people proposing that the CItadel/Catalyst is destroyed ??

Having that massive fleet do it. I doubt when that was thought of anyone believed the entirety of the galaxy's naval strength was going to gather in the same place and attempt it. 

[Erield]

Eire Icon wrote...


Taken from Mass Efect Wiki

"The station's hull is sufficiently strong that, even when subjected to the most advanced weaponry available, it would take several days of sustained bombardment to inflict any serious damage to the superstructure. "

How exactly are people proposing that the CItadel/Catalyst is destroyed ??

Here's the full quote: If any enemy gets close enough, the station is capable of closing in on
itself to form a long, armored cylinder, 25 kilometers in length. The
station's hull is sufficiently strong that, even when subjected to the
most advanced weaponry available, it would take several days of
sustained bombardment to inflict any serious damage to the
superstructure.


The arms are open.  It is not an armored cylinder.  I'm pretty sure that wiki entry is from ME1, and does not reflect the upgraded Thanix weapons that have circulated throughout the vast majority of all fleets in the galaxy.

[Eire Icon]

Erield wrote...

Eire Icon wrote...


Taken from Mass Efect Wiki

"The station's hull is sufficiently strong that, even when subjected to the most advanced weaponry available, it would take several days of sustained bombardment to inflict any serious damage to the superstructure. "

How exactly are people proposing that the CItadel/Catalyst is destroyed ??

Here's the full quote: If any enemy gets close enough, the station is capable of closing in on
itself to form a long, armored cylinder, 25 kilometers in length. The
station's hull is sufficiently strong that, even when subjected to the
most advanced weaponry available, it would take several days of
sustained bombardment to inflict any serious damage to the
superstructure.


The arms are open.  It is not an armored cylinder.  I'm pretty sure that wiki entry is from ME1, and does not reflect the upgraded Thanix weapons that have circulated throughout the vast majority of all fleets in the galaxy.

What's left of the fleet is being engaged by the Reapers (and being decimated), they will not get anywhere near the Citadel as the Reapers are protecting it

Arms open or not it would still take a sustained assault to do any kind of damage to it

[Erield]

Eire Icon wrote...

Erield wrote...

Eire Icon wrote...


Taken from Mass Efect Wiki

"The station's hull is sufficiently strong that, even when subjected to the most advanced weaponry available, it would take several days of sustained bombardment to inflict any serious damage to the superstructure. "

How exactly are people proposing that the CItadel/Catalyst is destroyed ??

Here's the full quote: If any enemy gets close enough, the station is capable of closing in on
itself to form a long, armored cylinder, 25 kilometers in length. The
station's hull is sufficiently strong that, even when subjected to the
most advanced weaponry available, it would take several days of
sustained bombardment to inflict any serious damage to the
superstructure.


The arms are open.  It is not an armored cylinder.  I'm pretty sure that wiki entry is from ME1, and does not reflect the upgraded Thanix weapons that have circulated throughout the vast majority of all fleets in the galaxy.

What's left of the fleet is being engaged by the Reapers (and being decimated), they will not get anywhere near the Citadel as the Reapers are protecting it

Arms open or not it would still take a sustained assault to do any kind of damage to it

Ships fly in close and bombard--Reapers would have to follow.  As long as the Citadel is 'behind' allied forces, Reapers firing on the allied ships that miss would hit the Citadel--thus doing our job for us.  Kinda like how the Reapers positioned themselves between Palaven and the Turian fleet.  Losses would still be staggeringly high, sure, but I still think this plan is better than blindly accepting the 'truth' given to us by the Star Child.  

[Eire Icon]

The Night Mammoth wrote...


This is hypothetical. The premise being that destroying the Citadel/Catalyst weakens the Reapers. You're trying to use facts to argue against it, which is strange. You'd rather use the Crucible than actually defeat the Reapers without paying some ridiculous cost. 

And once again, what a few characters say when it conflicts with what we're actually shown by the game, is irrelevant. How many other things in this story were impossible according to these same characters? I mean, you have this conversation with them. Pretty sure it's with Garrus. He talks about how pretty much everything in this game was seen as impossible until Shepard came along. 

Again the Citadel is not easily destroyed and whats left of the fleets are engaged against the Repaers. The Reapers will not sit back and allow forces to attack the Citadel. They brought it to the Sol system to defend it.

Of course I'm using facts to argue against it !

What riddiculous costs are you talking about? In War there is collatoral damage, you can't save everyone

[Zix13]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

The reason not to is that he's the self-proclaimed leader of the Reapers and the worst war criminal to ever have existed, responsible for the murder, mutilation and torture of trillions of innocent beings.
Also, his assertions are crap and he could be out-argued by a grade schooler.

Cheers!

That's like saying Winston Churchhill, or FDR was a war criminal. There's more to it than just a body count, you know.

Are you high? 

[Eire Icon]

Erield wrote...

Ships fly in close and bombard--Reapers would have to follow.  As long as the Citadel is 'behind' allied forces, Reapers firing on the allied ships that miss would hit the Citadel--thus doing our job for us.  Kinda like how the Reapers positioned themselves between Palaven and the Turian fleet.  Losses would still be staggeringly high, sure, but I still think this plan is better than blindly accepting the 'truth' given to us by the Star Child.  

The Reapers are already protecting the Citadel when Shepard gets onto it. That is why he boarded via the beam and not via ship

Any Ships going near the Citadel will be destroyed.

[His Name was HYR!!]

httinks2006 wrote...

Why on this insane ravaged F@#$%^&  planet would anyone choose to believe the Starbrat , Starchild , Godchild ,or  Being of light words as law ?
This is the commander , creator of the enemy we have been trying to stop for three games and when it saids you have these choices we do it ?
illiogical , idiotic , stupid , moronic .... etc ... really ?

I absolutely know my Shepard would never have given in to this , damn I've proving quite the opposite for the past two games and five years....

"What's the salarian doing here??? Nobody said anything about this!

We don't work with our enemy! We crush their skull and drown it in a geyser of their own blood!!!"

- the wisdom of Urdnot Wreav.

[The Night Mammoth]

Eire Icon wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...


This is hypothetical. The premise being that destroying the Citadel/Catalyst weakens the Reapers. You're trying to use facts to argue against it, which is strange. You'd rather use the Crucible than actually defeat the Reapers without paying some ridiculous cost. 

And once again, what a few characters say when it conflicts with what we're actually shown by the game, is irrelevant. How many other things in this story were impossible according to these same characters? I mean, you have this conversation with them. Pretty sure it's with Garrus. He talks about how pretty much everything in this game was seen as impossible until Shepard came along. 

Again the Citadel is not easily destroyed and whats left of the fleets are engaged against the Repaers. The Reapers will not sit back and allow forces to attack the Citadel. They brought it to the Sol system to defend it.

You have a pretty big fleet, and a lot of firepower. 

Of course I'm using facts to argue against it !

And ignoring that it's hypothetical. 

What riddiculous costs are you talking about? In War there is collatoral damage, you can't save everyone

The unknown ramofications of tampering with life in its entirety on a very basic level, possibly leading to the eradication of any diversity and individuality, the possible ramifications of trying to control the Reapers, which you've spent the entire game trying to convince the Illusive Man is a bad idea and then possibly succeeded if he shoots himself, and the possible genocide of an entire species and the unfortunate murder of an important character.

I'd take losing a few ships over any of that. 

[Bludger133]

Erield wrote...

There's a rather nice post by a.m.p. at the bottom of page 5 that gives specific reasons why trusting the Star Child is a Bad Idea.

My opinion on the part of your post I bolded--Let's pretend you get a time machine, and you head to **** Germany in 1940 to kill Hitler.  You manage to lose your weapon, but when you bust down the door to Hitler's Hideout, there's some fancy thing that looks like maybe it's a gun or something.  You put it to Hitler's head, and he's all, "Look, I was just doing what was best for the German people.  Ya know, you're right though, maybe things should have been done differently.  That majigger you have there?  If you pull the trigger, you'll kill me.  It's an explosive round though, so it might kill you too.  If you push the button on it, then it'll send out electric waves through the room; this would kill you, but let you control everything that it zaps.  Or, you could eat the majigger, and it'll make everyone have the same skin color so we can pick on each other anymore.  Oh, but you'd die if you did that.  Make your choice."

Why would you believe what he said?  The matters of what's going on is, in that moment, completely secondary to the fact that the leader of the forces you have been trying to fight for years has given you three seemingly arbitrary things you can do with your home-made doomsday device.  His logic does not factor into the equation of believing him or not (for this argument.)  You grasping the handles could just result in your death, and nothing happening--Reapers win.  You shooting the tube could result in the Crucible being destroyed, but not firing--Reapers win.  You jumping into the Beam could just result in you dying, not Crucible firing--Reapers win.

You have every reason to believe that the ways he tells you to activate the Crucible are complete and utter hogwash.  You have no reason at all to believe that they will do anything that is, in any way shape or form, useful or helpful in actually defeating the Reapers.

^ This.

I was going to use a similar analogy.  Why, with absolutely no proof, would we believe anything that the holokid tells us - especially when he claims to be the leader/creator of a force that has committed galactic xenocide for millenia?  This is beyond an act of faith, it is an act of stupidity.

Like most other aspects of the ending: it makes no sense, which is why most of us instinctively searched for the option to tell the holokid to go to hell.

[legion999]

Eire Icon wrote...

Erield wrote...

Ships fly in close and bombard--Reapers would have to follow.  As long as the Citadel is 'behind' allied forces, Reapers firing on the allied ships that miss would hit the Citadel--thus doing our job for us.  Kinda like how the Reapers positioned themselves between Palaven and the Turian fleet.  Losses would still be staggeringly high, sure, but I still think this plan is better than blindly accepting the 'truth' given to us by the Star Child.  

The Reapers are already protecting the Citadel when Shepard gets onto it. That is why he boarded via the beam and not via ship

Any Ships going near the Citadel will be destroyed.

How does the Crucible dock then?

[The Night Mammoth]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

httinks2006 wrote...

Why on this insane ravaged F@#$%^&  planet would anyone choose to believe the Starbrat , Starchild , Godchild ,or  Being of light words as law ?
This is the commander , creator of the enemy we have been trying to stop for three games and when it saids you have these choices we do it ?
illiogical , idiotic , stupid , moronic .... etc ... really ?

I absolutely know my Shepard would never have given in to this , damn I've proving quite the opposite for the past two games and five years....

"What's the salarian doing here??? Nobody said anything about this!

We don't work with our enemy! We crush their skull and drown it in a geyser of their own blood!!!"

- the wisdom of Urdnot Wreav.

Quite correct. 

Oh wait, no it's not. Wreav is only comparible if the Salarians are trying to kill him and the entirety of the Krogan species. 

Evidently, they are not, and Mordin is attempting the opposite. 

[The Night Mammoth]

legion999 wrote...

Eire Icon wrote...

Erield wrote...

Ships fly in close and bombard--Reapers would have to follow.  As long as the Citadel is 'behind' allied forces, Reapers firing on the allied ships that miss would hit the Citadel--thus doing our job for us.  Kinda like how the Reapers positioned themselves between Palaven and the Turian fleet.  Losses would still be staggeringly high, sure, but I still think this plan is better than blindly accepting the 'truth' given to us by the Star Child.  

The Reapers are already protecting the Citadel when Shepard gets onto it. That is why he boarded via the beam and not via ship

Any Ships going near the Citadel will be destroyed.

How does the Crucible dock then?

Ha, that puts that to rest then. 

[Eire Icon]

legion999 wrote...

Eire Icon wrote...

Erield wrote...

Ships fly in close and bombard--Reapers would have to follow.  As long as the Citadel is 'behind' allied forces, Reapers firing on the allied ships that miss would hit the Citadel--thus doing our job for us.  Kinda like how the Reapers positioned themselves between Palaven and the Turian fleet.  Losses would still be staggeringly high, sure, but I still think this plan is better than blindly accepting the 'truth' given to us by the Star Child.  

The Reapers are already protecting the Citadel when Shepard gets onto it. That is why he boarded via the beam and not via ship

Any Ships going near the Citadel will be destroyed.

How does the Crucible dock then?

Thats a good point !

The fleet distracted the Reapers for long enough to get the cruible docked. But docking the crucible does not take the time it would take to destroy the citadel. Also if you destroy the Citadel you destroy the crucible

[legion999]

Eire Icon wrote...

legion999 wrote...

Eire Icon wrote...

Erield wrote...

Ships fly in close and bombard--Reapers would have to follow.  As long as the Citadel is 'behind' allied forces, Reapers firing on the allied ships that miss would hit the Citadel--thus doing our job for us.  Kinda like how the Reapers positioned themselves between Palaven and the Turian fleet.  Losses would still be staggeringly high, sure, but I still think this plan is better than blindly accepting the 'truth' given to us by the Star Child.  

The Reapers are already protecting the Citadel when Shepard gets onto it. That is why he boarded via the beam and not via ship

Any Ships going near the Citadel will be destroyed.

How does the Crucible dock then?

Thats a good point !

The fleet distracted the Reapers for long enough to get the cruible docked. But docking the crucible does not take the time it would take to destroy the citadel. Also if you destroy the Citadel you destroy the crucible

Destroying the Citadel isn't going to happen. But according to you the Reapers whom apparently destroy any ships going near the Citadel are distracted by the fleet despite also knowing the danger the crucible poses to them.

[Eire Icon]

legion999 wrote...

Destroying the Citadel isn't going to happen. .

Agree competely

legion999 wrote...
But according to you the Reapers whom apparently destroy any ships going near the Citadel are distracted by the fleet despite also knowing the danger the crucible poses to them.

Well its not according to me its according to Hackett. That was the plan wasn't it

Use the fleets to occupy the Reapers, whilst moving the crucible into place. This is said in-game

The Reapers moved the CItadel to the Sol system in order to protect it as explained by the Protheon VI

Modifié par Eire Icon, 11 mai 2012 - 01:45 .

[The Night Mammoth]

Eire Icon wrote...

legion999 wrote...

Eire Icon wrote...

Erield wrote...

Ships fly in close and bombard--Reapers would have to follow.  As long as the Citadel is 'behind' allied forces, Reapers firing on the allied ships that miss would hit the Citadel--thus doing our job for us.  Kinda like how the Reapers positioned themselves between Palaven and the Turian fleet.  Losses would still be staggeringly high, sure, but I still think this plan is better than blindly accepting the 'truth' given to us by the Star Child.  

The Reapers are already protecting the Citadel when Shepard gets onto it. That is why he boarded via the beam and not via ship

Any Ships going near the Citadel will be destroyed.

How does the Crucible dock then?

Thats a good point !

The fleet distracted the Reapers for long enough to get the cruible docked. But docking the crucible does not take the time it would take to destroy the citadel.

You don't how long it would take. It might only be a few minutes of sustained bomardment from a couple of dreadnoughts, or if you want something a bit more fullproof, have the Ascension fly into it. 

Also if you destroy the Citadel you destroy the crucible

Well yes, that's the gamble, although if you choose this route you don't need the Crucible. 

[His Name was HYR!!]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

httinks2006 wrote...

Why on this insane ravaged F@#$%^&  planet would anyone choose to believe the Starbrat , Starchild , Godchild ,or  Being of light words as law ?
This is the commander , creator of the enemy we have been trying to stop for three games and when it saids you have these choices we do it ?
illiogical , idiotic , stupid , moronic .... etc ... really ?

I absolutely know my Shepard would never have given in to this , damn I've proving quite the opposite for the past two games and five years....

"What's the salarian doing here??? Nobody said anything about this!

We don't work with our enemy! We crush their skull and drown it in a geyser of their own blood!!!"

- the wisdom of Urdnot Wreav.

Quite correct. 

Oh wait, no it's not. Wreav is only comparible if the Salarians are trying to kill him and the entirety of the Krogan species. 

Evidently, they are not, and Mordin is attempting the opposite. 

No, you missed the point.

Wreav assumes Mordin is the enemy based on the salarians' history with the krogan (creating the genophage). In this case, it's actually more true than he realizes, Mordin updated the genophage while the krogan were overcoming it.

Based on that history, he has no trust for Mordin, he's identified him as enemy. He could care less what you/Wrex/Mordin claims his reasons for being there are. As far as he's concerned, the salarian could be there just to trick everyone, and plans to change the genophage only to sterilize the krogan outright.

Sorry, but that's 100% the same as what's going on here. People are not thinking with their head, just emotionally: Starchild is the catalyst of the Reapers, he's killed so many of our people, he's bad and don't ever trust him at all - crush his skull and drown it in a geyser of its own virtual blood. Also, believing he's trying to trick Shepard.

But as we saw with Wreav, that kind of thinking usually gets your nowhere.

[Eire Icon]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

You don't how long it would take. It might only be a few minutes of sustained bomardment from a couple of dreadnoughts, or if you want something a bit more fullproof, have the Ascension fly into it. 

The fleet is on its last legs. It was decimated getting the Crucible into place. It is being destroed by the Reapers

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Also if you destroy the Citadel you destroy the crucible

Well yes, that's the gamble, although if you choose this route you don't need the Crucible. 

So you disregard the plan of countless previous cycles, destroy the one weapon that may be able to destory the reapers, disobey a direct order from the Commander of the Galactic fleet,  and attempt to win a war by taking on a more powerful enemy toe to toe ????

To me that is ludicrous and doomed to failure. Everything in-game states that will not work

Modifié par Eire Icon, 11 mai 2012 - 01:53 .

[The Night Mammoth]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

No, you missed the point.

No, I didn't. 

Wreav assumes Mordin is the enemy based on the salarians' history with the krogan (creating the genophage). In this case, it's actually more true than he realizes, Mordin updated the genophage while the krogan were overcoming it.

Based on that history, he has no trust for Mordin, he's identified him as enemy. He could care less what you/Wrex/Mordin claims his reasons for being there are. As far as he's concerned, the salarian could be there just to trick everyone, and plans to change the genophage only to sterilize the krogan outright.

Sorry, but that's 100% the same as what's going on here. People are not thinking with their head, just emotionally: Starchild is the catalyst of the Reapers, he's killed so many of our people, he's bad and don't ever trust him at all - crush his skull and drown it in a geyser of its own virtual blood. Also, believing he's trying to trick Shepard.

But as we saw with Wreav, that kind of thinking usually gets your nowhere.

Except we know differently. Wreav is a moron, he knows pretty much nothing about what the Salarians did, and doesn't even use his brain to think about the situation. He's allowing old racial stereotypes and flawed histrorical refrences some other similarly stupid and biased Krogane passed to him, to shape his beliefs. 

We know Mordin is here to help, we know why the Salarians used the Genophage instead of just wiping the Krogan out completely. 

The Reapers just kill everyone. There's no distinction between species or individuals. There's no flip-side or alternative view on what they do. The only thing that might present that is the Catalyst, and it is for all intents and purposes their master. It is a Reaper. 

We're completely justified in our distrust of the Reapers and the Catalyst. Wreav is just a moron without all the information or the mental agility to comprehend the situation properly. He isn't justified in his hatred of all Salarians. He would if all Salarains were coniving idiots like the Dalatrass, hell-bent on seeing the Krogan species die, and then if he had some proof of that.  He doesn't. How many examples to we have of Reaper's killing people indiscriminately, committing monstrous atrocities? We're even told by the Reaper's themselves why they are here!

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 11 mai 2012 - 02:08 .

[Eire Icon]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Quite correct. 

Oh wait, no it's not. Wreav is only comparible if the Salarians are trying to kill him and the entirety of the Krogan species. 

Evidently, they are not, and Mordin is attempting the opposite. 
No, you missed the point.

Wreav assumes Mordin is the enemy based on the salarians' history with the krogan (creating the genophage). In this case, it's actually more true than he realizes, Mordin updated the genophage while the krogan were overcoming it.

Based on that history, he has no trust for Mordin, he's identified him as enemy. He could care less what you/Wrex/Mordin claims his reasons for being there are. As far as he's concerned, the salarian could be there just to trick everyone, and plans to change the genophage only to sterilize the krogan outright.

Sorry, but that's 100% the same as what's going on here. People are not thinking with their head, just emotionally: Starchild is the catalyst of the Reapers, he's killed so many of our people, he's bad and don't ever trust him at all - crush his skull and drown it in a geyser of its own virtual blood. Also, believing he's trying to trick Shepard.

But as we saw with Wreav, that kind of thinking usually gets your nowhere.

A good point - Wreave does not trust Mordin, but he does not refuse to partake in the plan

Its called "Not cutting off your nose despite your face"

Modifié par Eire Icon, 11 mai 2012 - 01:57 .

[a.m.p]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

No, you missed the point.

Wreav assumes Mordin is the enemy based on the salarians' history with the krogan (creating the genophage). In this case, it's actually more true than he realizes, Mordin updated the genophage while the krogan were overcoming it.

Based on that history, he has no trust for Mordin, he's identified him as enemy. He could care less what you/Wrex/Mordin claims his reasons for being there are. As far as he's concerned, the salarian could be there just to trick everyone, and plans to change the genophage only to sterilize the krogan outright.

Sorry, but that's 100% the same as what's going on here. People are not thinking with their head, just emotionally: Starchild is the catalyst of the Reapers, he's killed so many of our people, he's bad and don't ever trust him at all - crush his skull and drown it in a geyser of its own virtual blood. Also, believing he's trying to trick Shepard.

But as we saw with Wreav, that kind of thinking usually gets your nowhere.

No. It is not the same.

Wreav bases his mistrust on history. He is also not entirely wrong because there are salarians who would gladly trick them (see Dalatrass). Just this one salarian happens to be willing to help. He has proven that by informing the krogan about the females and helping to get Bakara off Sur'Kesh.

Meanwhile the catalyst through the reapers is killing your allies as he speaks to you about his solutions. He has done nothing but kill your allies previously. Yet you assume that just because you got to the citadel he wants to stop killing your allies. Because he tells you so.

[The Night Mammoth]

Eire Icon wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

You don't how long it would take. It might only be a few minutes of sustained bomardment from a couple of dreadnoughts, or if you want something a bit more fullproof, have the Ascension fly into it. 

The fleet is on its last legs. It was decimated getting the Crucible into place. It is being destroed by the Reapers

Really? Because I have no idication it's that close to defeat. A fleet half the size of the one I bring with 4000 EMS holds out for just the same amount of time. 

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Also if you destroy the Citadel you destroy the crucible

Well yes, that's the gamble, although if you choose this route you don't need the Crucible. 

So you disregard the plan of countless previous cycles,

Who are all dead so I couldn't care less.

destroy the one weapon that may be able to destory the reapers, disobey a direct order from the Commander of the Galactic fleet,  and attempt to win a war by taking on a more powerful enemy toe to toe ????

You betcha. 

To me that is ludicrous and doomed to failure. Everything in-game states that will not work

That's why this is hypothetical. 

But not everything in-game states that. Some characters waffle on about how its 'impossible' like they did with every other obstacle Shepard eventually overcame, whilst you run around the Galaxy owning face with very conventional means whilst reading about others doing the same in the Codex. 

[legion999]

Eire Icon wrote...

legion999 wrote...
But according to you the Reapers whom apparently destroy any ships going near the Citadel are distracted by the fleet despite also knowing the danger the crucible poses to them.

Well its not according to me its according to Hackett. That was the plan wasn't it

Use the fleets to occupy the Reapers, whilst moving the crucible into place. This is said in-game

The Reapers moved the CItadel to the Sol system in order to protect it as explained by the Protheon VI

Yes but you stated that any ships going near the Citadel were destroyed. Why didn't they distract the Reapers and get some ships aboard? And the Reapers moved the Citadel to stop us from activating the Crucible.