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[TSA_383]

I find the central premise of the indoctrination theory fascinating, because it is interesting to see how many people chose either Control or Synthesis, and in fact, I would have myself, had I not been a bit too suspicious of the reality of the end sequence...

Presuming that you're a long-time fan of the series, you've played through what? 100 hours of having every "good" character in the game hammering home the message of "DESTROY THE REAPERS", and yet, with just a few lines of dialog and some subtle suggestion, in the space of a few minutes you abandon that, and are quite happy to defend that choice, as were the Illusive man and Saren before you.

So, let's see who in the series are fans of Destroy/Control/Synthesis:

Destroy:
-Anderson
-Hackett
-All of your squadmates
-Basically every "good" npc.

Control/Synthesis:
-The Illusive Man
-Saren
-Kai Leng
-Dr Kenson
-Miranda's Father
What a fun, respectable group...

And who do we see in the final sequence?
Destroy: Anderson
Control: The Illusive Man

You spent all that time with the message being "Destroy the Reapers". You have killed or driven to suicide an indoctrinated proponent of control (The Illusive Man) and an indoctrinated proponent of Synthesis (Saren).

There are major cues even if you ignore a lot of the minor stuff in the ending that everything is very much not as it seems, and then you have the following conversation with the Catalyst:

The Catalyst, in a nutshell:
"Why hello there good sir, I've been
commanding the reapers, your enemy for the past several years as they
attempt to wipe out all organic life. I'm now going to stand here and
explain why it would be a really bad idea to destroy them and you're
going to believe EVERY WORD I SAY"

And then, if you choose to defy the wishes of being which apparently controls the reapers, you wake up! Proving that at least part of what you'd been told (you will die) is false!

Although I think that in the circumstances the persuasion is remarkably effective, I still don't understand how quite so many still don't understand what was going on. In order to reason that the other choices are better, you have to believe what "the catalyst" is saying to you in these sequences, and frankly, if you believe what it's telling you, the reapers have already won!

Rant over, preparing for ****storm in 3....2....1....

Modifié par TSA_383, 09 mai 2012 - 08:38 .

[Subject M]

I was personally unwilling to destroy my Geth Allies, EDI and most technology.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

LOL @ Indoctrination Headcanon.

Modifié par HYR 2.0, 09 mai 2012 - 08:25 .

[Hadeedak]

Proud to say my Shepard kept the relays and didn't turn on her allies! Control, baby, control!

And I still got the message at the end telling me I won. X3

[thesnake777]

I dont bealive in IT, however I will pick destroy, every god damn time.

[Subject M]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

LOL @ Indoctrination Headcanon.

Lets try and stay nice to each other.

[DLClol]

Subject M wrote...

I was personally unwilling to destroy my Geth Allies, EDI and most technology.

Yeah I wasn't about to commit genocide against my friends that came to help me take my planet back, and I wasn't about to genetically rape everyone in the galaxy. Control seemed the best at the time and still does to me

Modifié par DLClol, 09 mai 2012 - 08:28 .

[Phaedra Sanguine]

So you're creating this thread in hopes of validating your choice? You must be feeling insecure about something.

[ShepnTali]

I went straight to synthesis, forgetting what was where. I was still stunned over the whole kid thing. Just wanted it to end.


Little did I know I'd be in bed with the likes of Saren and Kai Leng. Bad move. Can it be more obvious?

[Tins06]

Yep I chose synthesis. I really did not know know what to think after I finished the game. After a few days I hit the forum and discovered IT theory. It might have saved my life.

And I felt sort of blown away that I didn't see it. Being indoctrinated is not fun lol

[jpraelster93]

Any onewho believes ANYTHING THE STARIDIOT SAYS isnt a real fan

[xsdob]

My shepard was all about equality for all races and not sacrificing one life over another, and also about respecting the choices and wishes of others who deserve it.

My shepard was never against controlling the reapers, only that the illusive man shouldn't be trusted to do it, since he's already proven his selfishness in 2 by saying "strength for cerberus is strength for humanity. They are one in the same."

That pretty much told me that TIM was a powermad villain and shouldn't be trusted with power.

Oh, and played all 3 games, 2 playthrough, one renegade and one paragon. Read 3 of the books, looked up the mass effect wiki and cerberus daily news for updates and supplimentary material I missed. Read up on all the codex entries I thought were interesting or important, and have spent enough time with this series to call myself a true fan.

So to the poster above me, I say to you now you are wrong.

Modifié par xsdob, 09 mai 2012 - 08:34 .

[Hadeedak]

jpraelster93 wrote...

Any onewho believes ANYTHING THE STARIDIOT SAYS isnt a real fan

EVERYONE'S Shepard believes him!

[DLClol]

jpraelster93 wrote...

Any onewho believes ANYTHING THE STARIDIOT SAYS isnt a real fan

Well he said the relays would go to hell and they indeed did

So why wouldnt I believe him when he says the geth are going to die

Modifié par DLClol, 09 mai 2012 - 08:38 .

[LazyTechGuy]

I failed at first only because I accidentally picked Control since it was Paragon Blue. I honestly meant to select Destroy but if you're an IT-er, you could say the Reapers successfully tricked me with the color swap.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Hadeedak wrote...

Proud to say my Shepard kept the relays and didn't turn on her allies! Control, baby, control!

And I still got the message at the end telling me I won. X3

The relays are destroyed in Control.

[TSA_383]

Hadeedak wrote...

jpraelster93 wrote...

Any onewho believes ANYTHING THE STARIDIOT SAYS isnt a real fan

EVERYONE'S Shepard believes him!

Face. Meet palm.

[jpraelster93]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Hadeedak wrote...

Proud to say my Shepard kept the relays and didn't turn on her allies! Control, baby, control!

And I still got the message at the end telling me I won. X3

The relays are destroyed in Control.

and shepard dies and your just like the illusive man

[Talogrungi]

Straight to Destroy, didn't even blink.

The crucible was the test, and my Shepard passed.

[Shallyah]

IT or not, all your squadmates, Hackett, Anderson, and everyone who matters fight for the Destroy ending. Couldn't respect myself if I picked anything else.

The mass relays are destroyed in Destroy ending? As it should be. Sovereign said it himself. "Your civilization is based on the technology of the mass relay. Our technology. By using it, your society develops along the paths that we desire. You exist because we allow it, and will end because we demand it."

The current civilizations need to build their own technology and evolve naturally to rely on themselves and be truly free of the chains of the Reapers and the endless cycle of mass extinction. It will take some years of rebuilding, and even more years till the current civilizations find reliable ways to travel across the galaxy in short times, but it will be worth it in the long run.

The scope of what is at stake spans billions of years and millions of races and civilizations. Caring about what will happen the next ten years is both selfish and short sighted.

Modifié par Shallyah, 09 mai 2012 - 08:37 .

[Tapkomet]

Even if you choose Destroy, you still trust starchild. You have to believe him no matter what. So Control seems like a better solution, because you can:

1. Rebuild the relays
2. Make all the Reapers fly into a black hole
3. Let the geth survive
4. Probably be stuck as an AI for eternity, but whatever.

That's better than any other option in my opinion, still not good enough to beat my headcanon though.

[jpraelster93]

Talogrungi wrote...

Straight to Destroy, didn't even blink.

The crucible was the test, and my Shepard passed.

[Adhal]

I did all 3, the right one is what I will carry over to ME4

[Fixers0]

Tapkomet wrote...
 Rebuild the relays

That remains to be seen.

[Victia]

DLClol wrote...

Subject M wrote...

I was personally unwilling to destroy my Geth Allies, EDI and most technology.

Yeah I wasn't about to commit genocide against my friends that came to help me take my planet back, and I wasn't about to genetically rape everyone in the galaxy. Control seemed the best at the time and still does to me

Althought we now know that both Shep and EDI can survive destroy so I dont see why the geth possibly couldnt aswell, maybe not so genocide-y?