Bill Casey wrote...
You can see Shepard's occular implants if you're renegade enough...Hadeedak wrote...
And you're sure of this why? [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/wink.png[/smilie]
They are not the same design...
This isn't even up for debate...
You are objectively wrong on this point...
Shepard has the illusive man's eyes in these scenes...
Take that for what you will...
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Modifié par Hawk227, 10 mai 2012 - 06:43 .
Bill Casey wrote...
The Illusive Man got those eyes from touching a Reaper artifact...
Modifié par Geneaux486, 10 mai 2012 - 06:44 .
Bill Casey wrote...
Hadeedak wrote...
And you're sure of this why? [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/wink.png[/smilie]
You can see Shepard's occular implants if you're renegade enough...
They are not the same design...
This isn't even up for debate...
You are objectively wrong on this point...
Guest_Catch This Fade_*
As long as the player can figure out what to do next the visions or an explanation from the starchild would work. In regards to your point though, there's bound to be some disconnect between what the player may know and what the player character knows. Games just work that way sometimes.KingZayd wrote...
jreezy wrote...
Not what I'm getting at. This: "A player should be able to identify their score/status/goal in the game" is the reason for the visions. Game mechanic heuristics at work.
Wouldn't it be simple to just have the Starchild point out the relevant tube and tell you that you need to shoot it?
And the point still remains, YOU might see what needs to be done. But Shepard's still clueless as far as the story goes. Unless Shepard sees them too.
balance5050 wrote...
Hadeedak wrote...
Yeah, it's fun.
Now, we know Shepard has ocular implants, because renegade Shepard gets glowy eyes. (Sucks to be you, destroy Shepard. Maybe your eyes explode). We also know the Catalyst is more or less Reaper tech. There's two explanations -- Shepard being ripped apart reveals the underworkings of his/her eyes or exposure to reaper tech messes with her. In either case... Well, word of god says Shepard ends the reaper threat.
Problem with that is renegade shep eyes are a different pattern all together.
Renegade has 2 dots on top with one on the bottom, Indoctrinated eyes are vice-versa
Geneaux486 wrote...
Bill Casey wrote...
The Illusive Man got those eyes from touching a Reaper artifact...
I know he came into contact with a Reaper artifact, but I've seen no evidence that he obtained his unique eye pattern from it.
Modifié par balance5050, 10 mai 2012 - 06:45 .
Hadeedak wrote...
Bill Casey wrote...
Hadeedak wrote...
And you're sure of this why? [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/wink.png[/smilie]
You can see Shepard's occular implants if you're renegade enough...
They are not the same design...
This isn't even up for debate...
You are objectively wrong on this point...
You can see the surface of the ocular implants, which is what's showing in my shot of Shepard's disolved eyes. By the time you see the TIM eyes, a great deal of the face and skin has been ripped away.
I'm not objectively wrong, though I'm not necessarily right. This is 'subject to interpretation.'
balance5050 wrote...
balance5050 wrote...
Hadeedak wrote...
Yeah, it's fun.
Now, we know Shepard has ocular implants, because renegade Shepard gets glowy eyes. (Sucks to be you, destroy Shepard. Maybe your eyes explode). We also know the Catalyst is more or less Reaper tech. There's two explanations -- Shepard being ripped apart reveals the underworkings of his/her eyes or exposure to reaper tech messes with her. In either case... Well, word of god says Shepard ends the reaper threat.
Problem with that is renegade shep eyes are a different pattern all together.
Renegade has 2 dots on top with one on the bottom, Indoctrinated eyes are vice-versa
Hadeedak wrote...
Bill Casey wrote...
Hadeedak wrote...
And you're sure of this why? [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/wink.png[/smilie]
You can see Shepard's occular implants if you're renegade enough...
They are not the same design...
This isn't even up for debate...
You are objectively wrong on this point...
You can see the surface of the ocular implants, which is what's showing in my shot of Shepard's disolved eyes. By the time you see the TIM eyes, a great deal of the face and skin has been ripped away.
I'm not objectively wrong, though I'm not necessarily right. This is 'subject to interpretation.'
Modifié par Hawk227, 10 mai 2012 - 06:48 .
balance5050 wrote...
Geneaux486 wrote...
Bill Casey wrote...
The Illusive Man got those eyes from touching a Reaper artifact...
I know he came into contact with a Reaper artifact, but I've seen no evidence that he obtained his unique eye pattern from it.
He literally gets the eyes from contact with a reapers artifact, years ago in the first contact wars. It's known.
Modifié par Geneaux486, 10 mai 2012 - 06:48 .
jreezy wrote...
As long as the player can figure out what to do next the visions or an explanation from the starchild would work. In regards to your point though, there's bound to be some disconnect between what the player may know and what the player character knows. Games just work that way sometimes.KingZayd wrote...
jreezy wrote...
Not what I'm getting at. This: "A player should be able to identify their score/status/goal in the game" is the reason for the visions. Game mechanic heuristics at work.
Wouldn't it be simple to just have the Starchild point out the relevant tube and tell you that you need to shoot it?
And the point still remains, YOU might see what needs to be done. But Shepard's still clueless as far as the story goes. Unless Shepard sees them too.
Hawk227 wrote...
Hadeedak wrote...
Bill Casey wrote...
Hadeedak wrote...
And you're sure of this why? [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/wink.png[/smilie]
You can see Shepard's occular implants if you're renegade enough...
They are not the same design...
This isn't even up for debate...
You are objectively wrong on this point...
You can see the surface of the ocular implants, which is what's showing in my shot of Shepard's disolved eyes. By the time you see the TIM eyes, a great deal of the face and skin has been ripped away.
I'm not objectively wrong, though I'm not necessarily right. This is 'subject to interpretation.'
Observe the pics posted by myself and Balance5050 (his are better). You are objectively wrong.
Geneaux486 wrote...
balance5050 wrote...
Geneaux486 wrote...
Bill Casey wrote...
The Illusive Man got those eyes from touching a Reaper artifact...
I know he came into contact with a Reaper artifact, but I've seen no evidence that he obtained his unique eye pattern from it.
He literally gets the eyes from contact with a reapers artifact, years ago in the first contact wars. It's known.
But by the end neither he nor Shepard have electric currents coming out of their eyes. I see no proof that it's the same.
Geneaux486 wrote...
balance5050 wrote...
Geneaux486 wrote...
Bill Casey wrote...
The Illusive Man got those eyes from touching a Reaper artifact...
I know he came into contact with a Reaper artifact, but I've seen no evidence that he obtained his unique eye pattern from it.
He literally gets the eyes from contact with a reapers artifact, years ago in the first contact wars. It's known.
But by the end neither he nor Shepard have electric currents coming out of their eyes. I see no proof that it's the same.
KingZayd wrote...
jreezy wrote...
As long as the player can figure out what to do next the visions or an explanation from the starchild would work. In regards to your point though, there's bound to be some disconnect between what the player may know and what the player character knows. Games just work that way sometimes.KingZayd wrote...
jreezy wrote...
Not what I'm getting at. This: "A player should be able to identify their score/status/goal in the game" is the reason for the visions. Game mechanic heuristics at work.
Wouldn't it be simple to just have the Starchild point out the relevant tube and tell you that you need to shoot it?
And the point still remains, YOU might see what needs to be done. But Shepard's still clueless as far as the story goes. Unless Shepard sees them too.
so you agree that unless Shepard sees these visions, that the narrative doesn't make sense at that point? regardless of where "games just work that way or not"?
balance5050 wrote...
OMG dude, it's just the cover, you need take the time to read it. I'm sorry but I can't spoon feed you everything.
did you forget the "trololololol"?
Hadeedak wrote...
Though I'm still all for the 'reusing a model'. TIM's eyes have a unique model, making them one of the few (The other is Liara's embrace eternity eyes, and using that for 'wrecked eyes' at the end would be all kinds of uncomfortable). :innocent:
Hadeedak wrote...
Though I'm still all for the 'reusing a model'. TIM's eyes have a unique model, making them one of the few (The other is Liara's embrace eternity eyes, and using that for 'wrecked eyes' at the end would be all kinds of uncomfortable). :innocent:
Hadeedak wrote...
KingZayd wrote...
jreezy wrote...
As long as the player can figure out what to do next the visions or an explanation from the starchild would work. In regards to your point though, there's bound to be some disconnect between what the player may know and what the player character knows. Games just work that way sometimes.KingZayd wrote...
jreezy wrote...
Not what I'm getting at. This: "A player should be able to identify their score/status/goal in the game" is the reason for the visions. Game mechanic heuristics at work.
Wouldn't it be simple to just have the Starchild point out the relevant tube and tell you that you need to shoot it?
And the point still remains, YOU might see what needs to be done. But Shepard's still clueless as far as the story goes. Unless Shepard sees them too.
so you agree that unless Shepard sees these visions, that the narrative doesn't make sense at that point? regardless of where "games just work that way or not"?
I'd say it's what Shepard's daydreaming/flashing to. For all we know, control could work perfectly well if Shepard shot the pillar and destroy if Shepard hugged it.
Geneaux486 wrote...
balance5050 wrote...
OMG dude, it's just the cover, you need take the time to read it. I'm sorry but I can't spoon feed you everything.
It's your argument, burden of proof is on you. Get crackin'!did you forget the "trololololol"?
No, I remembered that you were here.
Geneaux486 wrote...
balance5050 wrote...
OMG dude, it's just the cover, you need take the time to read it. I'm sorry but I can't spoon feed you everything.
It's your argument, burden of proof is on you. Get crackin'!did you forget the "trololololol"?
No, I remembered that you were here.
Modifié par balance5050, 10 mai 2012 - 06:54 .
Hawk227 wrote...
Hadeedak wrote...
Though I'm still all for the 'reusing a model'. TIM's eyes have a unique model, making them one of the few (The other is Liara's embrace eternity eyes, and using that for 'wrecked eyes' at the end would be all kinds of uncomfortable). :innocent:
Why would they reuse the model of TIM's eyes when they could reuse the model of renegade shepards eyes?
Hint: Because TIM's eyes have significance. They are indoctrination eyes.
Subject M wrote...
I was personally unwilling to destroy my Geth Allies, EDI and most technology.
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So Shepard has the Sharingan too. That's awesome.balance5050 wrote...
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