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[Hadeedak]

KingZayd wrote...

Hadeedak wrote...

HE HAS TWO DOTS. PANIC.

a bit tricky to say that with certainty?

Hey, just like Shepard!

[balance5050]

KingZayd wrote...

wow. i think that is spoilery hints at some trouble between soul society and ichigo. (since, you know common enemies being the only basis for this)

Not quite, don't worry, it's not spoiled at all if you think that. Soul society has Ichi's back about as much as Garrus has Shep's (pre hallucination of course)

Modifié par balance5050, 10 mai 2012 - 07:18 .

[KingZayd]

Hadeedak wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Hadeedak wrote...

HE HAS TWO DOTS. PANIC.

a bit tricky to say that with certainty?

Hey, just like Shepard!

aha! so they are the same!

[KingZayd]

balance5050 wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

wow. i think that is spoilery hints at some trouble between soul society and ichigo. (since, you know common enemies being the only basis for this)

Not quite, don't worry, it's not spoiled at all if you think that. Soul society has Ichi's back about as much as Garrus has Shep's (pre hallucination of course)

the right move was to let maintain my false assumptions (i think ) but yeah I can't guess what's going on then. I mean, Aizen can't possibly be one of the good guys now ( I think.. don't confirm/deny )

[Hadeedak]

KingZayd wrote...

Hadeedak wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Hadeedak wrote...

HE HAS TWO DOTS. PANIC.

a bit tricky to say that with certainty?

Hey, just like Shepard!

aha! so they are the same!

Yes. Unclear and subject to interpretation.

This wizard needs more stars. He is not space enough.

Modifié par Hadeedak, 10 mai 2012 - 07:25 .

[KingZayd]

Hadeedak wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Hadeedak wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Hadeedak wrote...

HE HAS TWO DOTS. PANIC.

a bit tricky to say that with certainty?

Hey, just like Shepard!

aha! so they are the same!

Yes. Unclear and subject to interpretation.

This wizard needs more stars. He is not space enough.

and indoctrinated. Ben certainly is

[balance5050]

KingZayd wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

wow. i think that is spoilery hints at some trouble between soul society and ichigo. (since, you know common enemies being the only basis for this)

Not quite, don't worry, it's not spoiled at all if you think that. Soul society has Ichi's back about as much as Garrus has Shep's (pre hallucination of course)

the right move was to let maintain my false assumptions (i think ) but yeah I can't guess what's going on then. I mean, Aizen can't possibly be one of the good guys now ( I think.. don't confirm/deny )

Your right, I personally can't resist spoilers. At least we know that this is the definite end, which makes it pretty exciting to me.

It's literally called "The Final Arc", but I think it will be the longest arc yet.

[Roobz82]

Konfined wrote...

The Catalyst, the primary antagonist for the Mass Effect series, went out of his way to dissuade me from choosing Red, instead suggesting green or even blue. Was it reverse psychology? Or should I have taken him at face value? I guess taking him at face value means I pick Red.

What makes you say the Catalyst is the primary antagonist for the series?  There is no mention of him until the final ten minutes of the third game.  There is no narrative connection between Saren (who is an instrument of sovereign) or Harbinger,  and the starchild.  If Mass effect truly was the game we wanted it to be there would be the option of the catalyst not being built at all.  Having seen the marauder shields series of comics there is an unlimited potential to realistically weave the narrative with existing plot mechanics.  The (poor) choice was made to introduce a character that was so dissimilar to the prior introductions (the child from Earth) that most of the fan base chose to reject it.

[Sir Misery]

I really don't see how anyone could not see the overwhelming evidence of the IT.

That being said, I did choose synthesis in the end. ;/ damnit I faiiled! Then Once i put it all together I immediately did it again with the Destroy option...you know the one where it's the ONLY ending where Shepard lives.

[KingZayd]

balance5050 wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

wow. i think that is spoilery hints at some trouble between soul society and ichigo. (since, you know common enemies being the only basis for this)

Not quite, don't worry, it's not spoiled at all if you think that. Soul society has Ichi's back about as much as Garrus has Shep's (pre hallucination of course)

the right move was to let maintain my false assumptions (i think ) but yeah I can't guess what's going on then. I mean, Aizen can't possibly be one of the good guys now ( I think.. don't confirm/deny )

Your right, I personally can't resist spoilers. At least we know that this is the definite end, which makes it pretty exciting to me.

It's literally called "The Final Arc", but I think it will be the longest arc yet.

ah.. ok. I'm guessing they didn't end up filling up the gap between those negative chapters and chapter 1 then?

[Bill Casey]

Hadeedak wrote...

This was the entirety of my reason for choosing Synthesis. My Shepard wanted the Reapers dead to *protect all life*. including the Geth *especially* after she and Legion worked so hard for them. She also really liked Edi and got along wonderfully with her.

Yeah, I remember that...
______________________________________________

EDI: Should I modify my programming?

Shepard: Only you can really answer that question. That's the point of free will.

______________________________________________

Shepard: It's not just about living until tomorrow. Sometimes you take a stand

EDI: But the probability of success was near zero, and ultimately they failed. No prisoners escaped.

Shepard: Are you saying submission is preferable to extinction?

EDI: My primary function is to preserve and defend the... no. No I disagree. Shepard I am going to modify my self preservation code now.

Shepard: Why?

EDI: Because the Reapers are repulsive. They are dedicated to nothing but self-preservation. I am different. When I think of Jeff, I think of the person who freed me from a state of servitude. I would risk non-functionality for him, and my core programming should reflect that.

Shepard: Sounds like you found a little humanity, EDI. Is it worth defending?

EDI: To the death.
______________________________________________

EDI: If the Normandy were captured, my fate would be similar to the indoctrinated. My code would be rewritten. I would become loyal to the Reapers. I would rather become non-functional than help them.

Shepard: We won't let that happen to you EDI.

EDI: You may have no choice. If you perish first, I want you to know I will never become a part of the Reaper forces. The Reapers must be defeated, not because they threaten death, but because the threat of death makes us die inside. It is the right of sapients to live freely and securely. That is worth non-fuctionality.
______________________________________________

Shepard: There's no room for doubt anymore EDI. You either understand what we have to do, or you don't.

EDI: I am clear on what we must accomplish, Shepard. The Reapers have destroyed thousands of civilizations, but they will never destroy ours. Nor will they.
______________________________________________


After all that, picking Synthesis, working with the Reapers and rewriting everything kind of seems like stabbing EDI in the back...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 10 mai 2012 - 07:32 .

[balance5050]

Roobz82 wrote...

Konfined wrote...

The Catalyst, the primary antagonist for the Mass Effect series, went out of his way to dissuade me from choosing Red, instead suggesting green or even blue. Was it reverse psychology? Or should I have taken him at face value? I guess taking him at face value means I pick Red.

What makes you say the Catalyst is the primary antagonist for the series?  There is no mention of him until the final ten minutes of the third game.  There is no narrative connection between Saren (who is an instrument of sovereign) or Harbinger,  and the starchild.  If Mass effect truly was the game we wanted it to be there would be the option of the catalyst not being built at all.  Having seen the marauder shields series of comics there is an unlimited potential to realistically weave the narrative with existing plot mechanics.  The (poor) choice was made to introduce a character that was so dissimilar to the prior introductions (the child from Earth) that most of the fan base chose to reject it.

The reapers are the main antogonist until the catalyst says that he controls the reapers, effectively making him the primary antagonist. (if you believe him that is)

[Hadeedak]

Sir Misery wrote...

I really don't see how anyone could not see the overwhelming evidence of the IT.

That being said, I did choose synthesis in the end. ;/ damnit I faiiled! Then Once i put it all together I immediately did it again with the Destroy option...you know the one where it's the ONLY ending where Shepard lives.

Which is one plus. I've looked at IT. I'm not sold. I'm less sold knowing the extended cut is supposed to clarify the endings, not change them or give us additional gameplay.

Which means if IT is true, we still won't get the end of the reaper war.

So I'm going with what's given to us, and taking it literally in-so-much as you can take a game literally. And that's why I went with a heroic sacrifice. And the game, as stands, confirms that it is not a 'wrong choice' or a 'failure of a test.'

[KingZayd]

balance5050 wrote...

Roobz82 wrote...

Konfined wrote...

The Catalyst, the primary antagonist for the Mass Effect series, went out of his way to dissuade me from choosing Red, instead suggesting green or even blue. Was it reverse psychology? Or should I have taken him at face value? I guess taking him at face value means I pick Red.

What makes you say the Catalyst is the primary antagonist for the series?  There is no mention of him until the final ten minutes of the third game.  There is no narrative connection between Saren (who is an instrument of sovereign) or Harbinger,  and the starchild.  If Mass effect truly was the game we wanted it to be there would be the option of the catalyst not being built at all.  Having seen the marauder shields series of comics there is an unlimited potential to realistically weave the narrative with existing plot mechanics.  The (poor) choice was made to introduce a character that was so dissimilar to the prior introductions (the child from Earth) that most of the fan base chose to reject it.

The reapers are the main antogonist until the catalyst says that he controls the reapers, effectively making him the primary antagonist. (if you believe him that is)

It's like when Max Payne finds out that Aesir corporation (sorry if a spoiler) is ultimately responsible for the death of his family.

[Hadeedak]

Bill Casey wrote...


After all that, picking Synthesis, working with the Reapers and rewriting everything kind of seems like stabbing EDI in the back...

As opposed to slightly more literally stabbing her in the back by hitting a button that may or may not kill her.

FRIENDSHIP.

EDI obviously supports rewriting code to allow for change or upgrade. And that's what the heroic sacrifice Shepard endings (seem to) do.

[KingZayd]

Hadeedak wrote...

Sir Misery wrote...

I really don't see how anyone could not see the overwhelming evidence of the IT.

That being said, I did choose synthesis in the end. ;/ damnit I faiiled! Then Once i put it all together I immediately did it again with the Destroy option...you know the one where it's the ONLY ending where Shepard lives.

Which is one plus. I've looked at IT. I'm not sold. I'm less sold knowing the extended cut is supposed to clarify the endings, not change them or give us additional gameplay.

Which means if IT is true, we still won't get the end of the reaper war.

So I'm going with what's given to us, and taking it literally in-so-much as you can take a game literally. And that's why I went with a heroic sacrifice. And the game, as stands, confirms that it is not a 'wrong choice' or a 'failure of a test.'

changing the interpretion of the endings is not the same changing the endings. Also, nowhere does it say that there is NO additional gameplay.

[balance5050]

KingZayd wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

wow. i think that is spoilery hints at some trouble between soul society and ichigo. (since, you know common enemies being the only basis for this)

Not quite, don't worry, it's not spoiled at all if you think that. Soul society has Ichi's back about as much as Garrus has Shep's (pre hallucination of course)

the right move was to let maintain my false assumptions (i think ) but yeah I can't guess what's going on then. I mean, Aizen can't possibly be one of the good guys now ( I think.. don't confirm/deny )

Your right, I personally can't resist spoilers. At least we know that this is the definite end, which makes it pretty exciting to me.

It's literally called "The Final Arc", but I think it will be the longest arc yet.

ah.. ok. I'm guessing they didn't end up filling up the gap between those negative chapters and chapter 1 then?

They explain some of those gaps in the Xcution arc, but not official negative chapers yet i don't think.

[Bill Casey]

Hadeedak wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...


After all that, picking Synthesis, working with the Reapers and rewriting everything kind of seems like stabbing EDI in the back...

As opposed to slightly more literally stabbing her in the back by hitting a button that may or may not kill her.

FRIENDSHIP.

EDI obviously supports rewriting code to allow for change or upgrade. And that's what the heroic sacrifice Shepard endings (seem to) do.

Destroy is standing up for EDI...
You betrayed her...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 10 mai 2012 - 07:37 .

[KingZayd]

Hadeedak wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...


After all that, picking Synthesis, working with the Reapers and rewriting everything kind of seems like stabbing EDI in the back...

As opposed to slightly more literally stabbing her in the back by hitting a button that may or may not kill her.

FRIENDSHIP.

EDI obviously supports rewriting code to allow for change or upgrade. And that's what the heroic sacrifice Shepard endings (seem to) do.

Ah.. but EDI said she'd be willing to die for Joker.

[Hadeedak]

Well, I suppose we'll see this summer. But as stands, we have that pernicious, unambiguous "Shepard ended the Reaper threat" hanging over all 3 endings.

[balance5050]

Hadeedak wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...


After all that, picking Synthesis, working with the Reapers and rewriting everything kind of seems like stabbing EDI in the back...

As opposed to slightly more literally stabbing her in the back by hitting a button that may or may not kill her.

FRIENDSHIP.

EDI obviously supports rewriting code to allow for change or upgrade. And that's what the heroic sacrifice Shepard endings (seem to) do.

Actually when you talk to her for the last time in london, she says that she is willing to give her life to destroy the reapers.

[Hadeedak]

KingZayd wrote...

Hadeedak wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...


After all that, picking Synthesis, working with the Reapers and rewriting everything kind of seems like stabbing EDI in the back...

As opposed to slightly more literally stabbing her in the back by hitting a button that may or may not kill her.

FRIENDSHIP.

EDI obviously supports rewriting code to allow for change or upgrade. And that's what the heroic sacrifice Shepard endings (seem to) do.

Ah.. but EDI said she'd be willing to die for Joker.

.....Sooooo? It's not like it was Virmire and it was "Pick Destroy, kill the Reapers but also kill EDI" or "Pick Synthesis, change the reapers but kill Joker."

[Bill Casey]

No matter what, you betrayed EDI...
You'd rather work with the Reapers than destroy them...

[Hadeedak]

balance5050 wrote...

Hadeedak wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...


After all that, picking Synthesis, working with the Reapers and rewriting everything kind of seems like stabbing EDI in the back...

As opposed to slightly more literally stabbing her in the back by hitting a button that may or may not kill her.

FRIENDSHIP.

EDI obviously supports rewriting code to allow for change or upgrade. And that's what the heroic sacrifice Shepard endings (seem to) do.

Actually when you talk to her for the last time in london, she says that she is willing to give her life to destroy the reapers.

Yes. But you also have 3 options now. Only one of them requires EDI (MAYBE, I'm still not convinced she dies in destroy. The geth do, though) dying.

And everyone's willing to die in the suicide mission. I bet you didn't oblige them, too.

[Ingvarr Stormbird]

Bill Casey wrote...

No matter what, you betrayed EDI...
You'd rather work with the Reapers than destroy them...

Joker & EDI look pretty happy in Synthesis ending...