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How many people failed the test by not choosing Destroy?


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jpraelster93

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Victia wrote...

DLClol wrote...

Subject M wrote...

I was personally unwilling to destroy my Geth Allies, EDI and most technology.


Yeah I wasn't about to commit genocide against my friends that came to help me take my planet back, and I wasn't about to genetically rape everyone in the galaxy. Control seemed the best at the time and still does to me


Althought we now know that both Shep and EDI can survive destroy so I dont see why the geth possibly couldnt aswell, maybe not so genocide-y?


star kid lies thats why they can survive

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TSA_383 wrote...


So, let's see who in the series are fans of Destroy/Control/Synthesis:

Destroy:
-Anderson
-Hackett
-All of your squadmates
-Basically every "good" npc.

Control/Synthesis:
-The Illusive Man
-Saren
-Kai Leng
-Dr Kenson


I - what - no.

Why do people keep using Saren and these people as reasons why we shouldn't pick Control/Synthesis?!

TIM did not want what Shepard did in the control ending - TIM wanted himself, an indoctrinated supremist, to control the reapers so that humanity could stomp every other species under its collective heel.

Saren did not want what Shepard did in the synthesis ending - he wanted to HELP the Reapers in wiping out most of the galactivc community, and the few survivors to serve the Reapers. To do this he also thought it was a good idea to let the Reapers jam obvious, obtrusive Reaper tech into him, replacing entire limbs with the stuff, which obviously helped them control and indoctrinate him.

Control/Synthesis are not these things!

And we don't see Anderson and all the 'good' NPCs in favour of the actual destroy ending. They are in favour of  the simple plan of destroying the Reapers, which seems the only logical possiblity of winning the War against them until we meet the Catalyst.

We NEVER hear any of their opinions on the actual 'Destroy Choice' after finding out what it will do (wipe out all synthetic life ect.) or comparing it to the other choices.

We never hear ANY CHARACHTER IN THE GAMES SERIES'S OPINIONS ON WHETHER TO CHOOSE DESTROY, CONTROL OR SYNTHESIS. Some charachters voice views that seem similar to the choices, but NO OTHER CHARACHTER OTHER THAN SHEPARD EVER BECOMES AWARE OF WHAT THE ACTUAL CHOICES WE ARE PRESENTED WITH AT THE END OF THE GAME ARE, AND GIVES AN OPINION ON WHAT ENDING THEY SUPPORT.

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HYR 2.0 wrote...

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Proud to say my Shepard kept the relays and didn't turn on her allies! Control, baby, control!

And I still got the message at the end telling me I won. X3


The relays are destroyed in Control.


They don't blow up, though! They just spark worryingly.

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BTW, while everyone likes to force Saren into synthesis where he doesn't fit, I'll say I'd much rather follow his lead than Anderson or TIM.

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jpraelster93 wrote...

Victia wrote...

DLClol wrote...

Subject M wrote...

I was personally unwilling to destroy my Geth Allies, EDI and most technology.


Yeah I wasn't about to commit genocide against my friends that came to help me take my planet back, and I wasn't about to genetically rape everyone in the galaxy. Control seemed the best at the time and still does to me


Althought we now know that both Shep and EDI can survive destroy so I dont see why the geth possibly couldnt aswell, maybe not so genocide-y?


star kid lies thats why they can survive


Headcanons awaaaaaay!

....Which seems to be the intent of the endings anyway. :happy:

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Control is the most paragon,. **** is Shepard forced sacrifice. That was just stupid. Touch the lever and dissolve.

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I think the problem, at least for Parashep, is the "and also the Geth and EDI and other AI will die". Especially if you've gone through all that trouble to get the Geth saved. You feel accomplished. And then you find out that to fulfill your ultimate goal, you have to commit genocide.

I was renegade Shep (and don't buy into indoctrination theory). I chose destroy because my Shepard doesn't care if one race and a few sentient AIs have to die to blow up the Reapers.

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Subject M wrote...

I was personally unwilling to destroy my Geth Allies, EDI and most technology.


Neither was I, right up until I got turned into a husk. That's when I knew destroy was the right ending. Finding out that's the only scenario where Shepard lives only cemented that fact as well as my distrust of the Catalyst.

If had had the wherewithal to play through the game again, I could choose nothing but destruction.

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Apparently Harbinger called me the other day thanking me for restoring Reaper health benefits.

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Always pick destroy, because the other options seem unpleasant for EVERYBODY. Sure, with destroy the Geth and EDI die, but the rest of the races should be fine.

So my other option would be controlling a galatic super power with my vaporized corpse. Sounds legit. Or forcing an extreme evolutionary leap on every living being instantly. Which sounds oddly familiar to what the antagonists of the past 3 games have been trying to do.

So I'll stick to destroy. Sure I'll miss EDI and the Quarians will take a while longer to get their immune systems back up (if they don't starve to death on Earth, if the ending is to be taken at face value). But I'll get over it.

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and you believe starchild when he tells you geth will die he also says you will die

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ok for anyone who doesn't know, you can has high enough ems that destroy only destroys synthetic life. geth are machines and could be fixed maybe?

anyways my choice has always been destroy, first play through i went with destroy (then others to see the other colors, wrong they didnt put in purple) because i believed that destroy is what everyone has been dying for. That and maybe ppl dont want to be turned into have machine organic things and what not

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Demoiselle wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...


So, let's see who in the series are fans of Destroy/Control/Synthesis:

Destroy:
-Anderson
-Hackett
-All of your squadmates
-Basically every "good" npc.

Control/Synthesis:
-The Illusive Man
-Saren
-Kai Leng
-Dr Kenson


I - what - no.

Why do people keep using Saren and these people as reasons why we shouldn't pick Control/Synthesis?!

TIM did not
want what Shepard did in the control ending - TIM wanted himself, an
indoctrinated supremist, to control the reapers so that humanity could
stomp every other species under its collective heel.

Saren did not
want what Shepard did in the synthesis ending - he wanted to HELP the
Reapers in wiping out most of the galactivc community, and the few
survivors to serve the Reapers. To do this he also thought it was a good
idea to let the Reapers jam obvious, obtrusive Reaper tech into him,
replacing entire limbs with the stuff, which obviously helped them
control and indoctrinate him.

Control/Synthesis are not these things!

And
we don't see Anderson and all the 'good' NPCs in favour of the
actual destroy ending. They are in favour of  the simple plan of
destroying the Reapers, which seems the only logical possiblity of
winning the War against them until we meet the Catalyst.

We
NEVER hear any of their opinions on the actual 'Destroy Choice' after
finding out what it will do (wipe out all synthetic life ect.) or
comparing it to the other choices.

We never hear ANY CHARACHTER IN THE GAMES SERIES'S OPINIONS ON WHETHER TO CHOOSE DESTROY, CONTROL OR SYNTHESIS. Some charachters voice views that seem similar to the choices, but NO
OTHER CHARACHTER OTHER THAN SHEPARD EVER BECOMES AWARE OF WHAT THE
ACTUAL CHOICES WE ARE PRESENTED WITH AT THE END OF THE GAME ARE, AND
GIVES AN OPINION ON WHAT ENDING THEY SUPPORT.


TIM and Saren both believed they had good intentions too.
In fact, to quote Saren on why people need to be allied with the reapers, turning the galaxy into reaper servants:

"I'm not doing this for myself. Don't you see, Sovreign will succeed. It
is inevitable. My way is the only way any of us will survive. I'm
forging an alliance between us and the Reapers, between organics and
machines, and in doing so, I will save more lives than have ever
existed. But you would undo my work. You would doom our entire
civilization to complete annihilation, and for that, you must die."

Sorry you were so taken in by all that.
The fact that the illusive man isn't doing it for the sake of the entire galaxy, well of course not. The reapers want him to help prevent you from destroying them. They will do that by appealing to what the Illusive man wants, which is power. In your case, they did it by making that seem like the "Paragon" choice, and you fell for it hook, line and sinker.

gmboy902 wrote...

I think the problem, at least for Parashep, is the "and also the Geth and EDI and other AI will die". Especially if you've gone through all that trouble to get the Geth saved. You feel accomplished. And then you find out that to fulfill your ultimate goal, you have to commit genocide.

I was renegade Shep (and don't buy into indoctrination theory). I chose destroy because my Shepard doesn't care if one race and a few sentient AIs have to die to blow up the Reapers.

He also says that Shepard will die. And He/She clearly doesn't if you've got a high enough EMS (are "strong" enough).

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jpraelster93 wrote...

and you believe starchild when he tells you geth will die he also says you will die


He says you MIGHT die. Actually, what he says is "You yourself are partially synthetic." Which isn't on the scale of the "Yeah, Shepard dies" you get for control and synthesis.

If you don't believe the star child at least enough to pick red out of his 3 choices, and assume he's telling the truth about what it does... Then your only option is to wait for your very own critical mission failure!

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The Catalyst, the primary antagonist for the Mass Effect series, went out of his way to dissuade me from choosing Red, instead suggesting green or even blue. Was it reverse psychology? Or should I have taken him at face value? I guess taking him at face value means I pick Red.

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He doesn't hint at your death, he is reminding you that you are partially synthetic and what your life would be without them.

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Considering Saren and starchild say the same thing, synthesis is what the reapers want. Be like us. If people consider that a win, then celebrate.

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I agree with you OP synthesis and control are bull**** and exacty what the reapers and their allies
wanted destroy however is what our main goal since me 1 was and what your squad etc. wanted
so destroy is the best no argue about that

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I shamefully have to admit i felt drawn to the green light beam at the end /cry

Modifié par ardias89, 09 mai 2012 - 08:57 .


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After reading through the other post I will advise everyone to just drop it and move on. the perspectives are too different and there is too much headcannon to sort through. They are so different that even talking or describing the logic and reasoning behind them is sparking a flamewar.

This is a powderkeg so just say yes or no and move on.

Modifié par xsdob, 09 mai 2012 - 08:59 .


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I was tired and confused and somewhat irritated and just ran into the light thinking the choice would be made there. When it dawned to me what I had just done I was doubly irritated.

EDIT: Haven't touched single player since.

Modifié par Supermarkiisi, 09 mai 2012 - 09:01 .


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Hadeedak wrote...

jpraelster93 wrote...

Victia wrote...

DLClol wrote...

Subject M wrote...

I was personally unwilling to destroy my Geth Allies, EDI and most technology.


Yeah I wasn't about to commit genocide against my friends that came to help me take my planet back, and I wasn't about to genetically rape everyone in the galaxy. Control seemed the best at the time and still does to me


Althought we now know that both Shep and EDI can survive destroy so I dont see why the geth possibly couldnt aswell, maybe not so genocide-y?


star kid lies thats why they can survive


Headcanons awaaaaaay!

....Which seems to be the intent of the endings anyway. :happy:


I wasnt saying anything about headcanons or the ending other than we actually have no idea what is going on with them! Even though (if you did it spoiler free) in your first pt you would think that by picking destroy you are commiting genocide as you have no evidence that Starbrat lies however with spoiers we know that he lie so we have no idea if the geth live or die!

Personally I am taking the endings at bady written face value with some hope towards a fix - be that IT or something else but I am having a hard time finding that confidence in bioware atm

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Indoctrination Theory or not, I don't give a rat's asss. Destroy will always be the best ending that you can pick in my book...

Modifié par FBI-Azzurri, 09 mai 2012 - 09:01 .


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So, let's see who in the series are fans of Destroy/Control/Synthesis:

Destroy:
-Anderson
-Hackett
-All of your squadmates
-Basically every "good" npc.

Control/Synthesis:
-The Illusive Man
-Saren
-Kai Leng
-Dr Kenson
-Miranda's Father
What a fun, respectable group...

And who do we see in the final sequence?
Destroy: Anderson
Control: The Illusive Man


This is utterly wrong premise in that video you watched - none of those characters were actually in situation with Catalyst, beside Shepard and none of them actually had the knowledge what transpired in Crucible nor did they voiced their choice because they weren't offered any. That's another difference between ME1, ME2 and ME3 - in ME1 and ME2, they are there, with Shepard and we even hear their thoughts on choices and situation - in ME3, there's only Catalyst and Shepard at the end - no one else up there, hearing, seeing what's happening nor voicing their opinion.  So, this is wrong assumption to start with.

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Me. I was completely bummed out by what was happening, just like I imagine Shepard was, and the Catalyst pretty much goaded me into choosing Synthesis. What with all the "Destroy all synthetics." talk.