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How many people failed the test by not choosing Destroy?


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#476
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Hadeedak wrote...

Well, I suppose we'll see this summer. But as stands, we have that pernicious, unambiguous "Shepard ended the Reaper threat" hanging over all 3 endings.



indeed, i believe he does (or at least can claim the vast majority of the credit for it) whichever one of the endings you pick. But yeah, EC will reveal the truth, whatever that is. I'm aware there's a chance I'll end up disappointed.

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Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...

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No matter what, you betrayed EDI...
You'd rather work with the Reapers than destroy them...

Joker & EDI look pretty happy in Synthesis ending...


You rewrote everything...
The universe isn't itself anymore...

EDI and Joker are dead...

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Hadeedak wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Hadeedak wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...


After all that, picking Synthesis, working with the Reapers and rewriting everything kind of seems like stabbing EDI in the back...


As opposed to slightly more literally stabbing her in the back by hitting a button that may or may not kill her.

FRIENDSHIP.

EDI obviously supports rewriting code to allow for change or upgrade. And that's what the heroic sacrifice Shepard endings (seem to) do.


Actually when you talk to her for the last time in london, she says that she is willing to give her life to destroy the reapers.


Yes. But you also have 3 options now. Only one of them requires EDI (MAYBE, I'm still not convinced she dies in destroy. The geth do, though) dying.

And everyone's willing to die in the suicide mission. I bet you didn't oblige them, too.


if Ashley was on that mission.. then there's a good chance I might :P I liked the others, and their deaths don't really help anything. The reapers' deaths on the other hand are beautiful.

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Bill Casey wrote...

No matter what, you betrayed EDI...
You'd rather work with the Reapers than destroy them...


If "Working with" means "Changing them so they are no longer a threat to organics"... Then maybe?

Control also doesn't fully blow up the mass relays, leaves the Citadel intact, and keeps the geth alive. It's a big gamble, and it kills Shepard, but it's winning.

Synthesis is a big gamble, kills Shepard, and changes the game entirely in ways hard to determine.

Neither result in "Critical mission failure."

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Bill Casey wrote...

Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

No matter what, you betrayed EDI...
You'd rather work with the Reapers than destroy them...

Joker & EDI look pretty happy in Synthesis ending...


You rewrote everything...

Now you're just making headcanon.
Clearly it's not *everything* since they still visibly care about each other.

Modifié par Ingvarr Stormbird, 10 mai 2012 - 07:43 .


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Hadeedak wrote...

If "Working with" means "Changing them so they are no longer a threat to organics"... Then maybe?

The Reapers are already synthesis...


Catalyst: But we need each other to make it happen.

Modifié par Bill Casey, 10 mai 2012 - 07:45 .


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Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

No matter what, you betrayed EDI...
You'd rather work with the Reapers than destroy them...

Joker & EDI look pretty happy in Synthesis ending...



Yeah they embrace eachother in a very Adam and Eve way, but the characters always look happy in that jungle scene even though tali and garrus are going to starve. Even your love interest always seems to be chipper considering everythin that just happened.

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I need a source for this.

Anyway. This isn't my headcanon, but I wish it was.

Modifié par Hadeedak, 10 mai 2012 - 07:47 .


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The Catalyst, the primary antagonist for the Mass Effect series...

Not gonna lie, I lol'd

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Interestingly enough, there's hidden audio on the Adam & Eve planet in the Synthesis and Control endings...

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balance5050 wrote...

Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

No matter what, you betrayed EDI...
You'd rather work with the Reapers than destroy them...

Joker & EDI look pretty happy in Synthesis ending...



Yeah they embrace eachother in a very Adam and Eve way, but the characters always look happy in that jungle scene even though tali and garrus are going to starve. Even your love interest always seems to be chipper considering everythin that just happened.


Them going to starve is also headcanon.

Depressing, depressing headcanon. And hey, they just survived a total wreck, they're alive... There can be some happy.

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Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

No matter what, you betrayed EDI...
You'd rather work with the Reapers than destroy them...

Joker & EDI look pretty happy in Synthesis ending...


You rewrote everything...

Now you're just making headcanon.
Clearly it's not *everything* since they still visibly care about each other.


Well I do know that the krogans are terminator krogans that will out live and outbreed every other thing in the universe under synthesis. They would be immune to a future genophage project as well.

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Well I do know that the krogans are terminator krogans that will out live and outbreed every other thing in the universe under synthesis. They would be immune to a future genophage project as well.

Unless sythesis makes them less fertile. You don't know anything except that was shown, that's the point.

Modifié par Ingvarr Stormbird, 10 mai 2012 - 07:48 .


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Hadeedak wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

No matter what, you betrayed EDI...
You'd rather work with the Reapers than destroy them...

Joker & EDI look pretty happy in Synthesis ending...



Yeah they embrace eachother in a very Adam and Eve way, but the characters always look happy in that jungle scene even though tali and garrus are going to starve. Even your love interest always seems to be chipper considering everythin that just happened.


Them going to starve is also headcanon.

Depressing, depressing headcanon. And hey, they just survived a total wreck, they're alive... There can be some happy.


I thought they could only obtain nutrition from dextro proteins, not levo proteins. Someone want to  correct me if I'm wrong?

Modifié par balance5050, 10 mai 2012 - 07:54 .


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Hadeedak wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Hadeedak wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...


After all that, picking Synthesis, working with the Reapers and rewriting everything kind of seems like stabbing EDI in the back...


As opposed to slightly more literally stabbing her in the back by hitting a button that may or may not kill her.

FRIENDSHIP.

EDI obviously supports rewriting code to allow for change or upgrade. And that's what the heroic sacrifice Shepard endings (seem to) do.


Ah.. but EDI said she'd be willing to die for Joker.


.....Sooooo? It's not like it was Virmire and it was "Pick Destroy, kill the Reapers but also kill EDI" or "Pick Synthesis, change the reapers but kill Joker."


Maybe not obviously.. but the reapers are definitely the most dangerous thing in the galaxy (Shepard+Crucible combo aside). We have 1 shot with the crucible. If the reapers aren't dead you are risking everyone in the galaxy on the trust they won't just keep killing everyone.

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Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Well I do know that the krogans are terminator krogans that will out live and outbreed every other thing in the universe under synthesis. They would be immune to a future genophage project as well.

Unless sythesis makes them less fertile. You don't know anything except that was shown, that's the point.




"The strengths of both, the weaknesses of neither"

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"The strengths of both, the weaknesses of neither"

I don't remember this being spoken about Synthesis.
In fact whole assumption that Saren's meant Synthesis is merely circumstantial evidence.

In any case, you can consider mad fertility to be a "weakness" and proper population control "strength".

Modifié par Ingvarr Stormbird, 10 mai 2012 - 07:56 .


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How much food is the Normandy carrying? They have a QEC. FTL is pretty good in the Mass Effect universe. They can call for help. Saying Tali and Garrus starve to death is assuming the worst. And, more to the point, it's assuming. Beyond "Shepard won", we don't know much about the aftermath.

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Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...

balance5050 wrote...
"The strengths of both, the weaknesses of neither"

I don't remember this being spoken about Synthesis.
In fact whole assumption that Saren's meant Synthesis is merely circumstantial evidence.

In any case, you can consider mad fertility to be a "weakness" and proper population control "strength".



Well, considering it's the pinnacle of evolution, I don't see why anyone would devolve.

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KingZayd wrote...


Maybe not obviously.. but the reapers are definitely the most dangerous thing in the galaxy (Shepard+Crucible combo aside). We have 1 shot with the crucible. If the reapers aren't dead you are risking everyone in the galaxy on the trust they won't just keep killing everyone.


And it pays off, according to the game. Yeah, control's a big gamble. It's like letting the rachni go or curing the genophage. It's stupidly optimistic. The selling point of destroy for me is that it's certain. Very pragmatic, and I can see why they chose red light for it.

Let's not go into the light thing, or if we do, we'll have to do it without me. I'm getting tired and running out of things to do between checking forums. But I think you can guess I'll say A) it's game mechanics for you, the player B) It had to look like SOMETHING and C) It's subject to speculation and interpretation.

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Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...

In any case, you can consider mad fertility to be a "weakness" and proper population control "strength".



No no no.... I don't even know where to begin.

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balance5050 wrote...

Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...

In any case, you can consider mad fertility to be a "weakness" and proper population control "strength".



No no no.... I don't even know where to begin.

I do!

It means CONSERVING YOUR SPECIES AS A WHOLE.

If the Krogan overbreed (as we've seen MANY times on a number of planets that to do, will and have EXTREMELY bad effects on the planet's biosphere.) they will strip a planet of it's resources. Which means Krogan inhabiting said planet die off from lack of food, potable water, and the like.

High fertility on Tchanka WAS a benefit, because 99% of the Krogan born also DIED. Beating the environment by sheep weight of numbers. Anywhere else, this was NOT something good, an evolutionary advantage is only an advantage in the environment it evolved in.

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balance5050 wrote...

Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Well I do know that the krogans are terminator krogans that will out live and outbreed every other thing in the universe under synthesis. They would be immune to a future genophage project as well.

Unless sythesis makes them less fertile. You don't know anything except that was shown, that's the point.




"The strengths of both, the weaknesses of neither"


actually, i was thinking that could be a way the cycle ends under a face value interpretation, it ends because of the difficulty with reproductivity meaning life ends anyway.

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KingZayd wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

"The strengths of both, the weaknesses of neither"


actually, i was thinking that could be a way the cycle ends under a face value interpretation, it ends because of the difficulty with reproductivity meaning life ends anyway.


That makes more sense to me actually.

Modifié par balance5050, 10 mai 2012 - 08:14 .


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Arian Dynas wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...

In any case, you can consider mad fertility to be a "weakness" and proper population control "strength".



No no no.... I don't even know where to begin.

I do!

It means CONSERVING YOUR SPECIES AS A WHOLE.

If the Krogan overbreed (as we've seen MANY times on a number of planets that to do, will and have EXTREMELY bad effects on the planet's biosphere.) they will strip a planet of it's resources. Which means Krogan inhabiting said planet die off from lack of food, potable water, and the like.

High fertility on Tchanka WAS a benefit, because 99% of the Krogan born also DIED. Beating the environment by sheep weight of numbers. Anywhere else, this was NOT something good, an evolutionary advantage is only an advantage in the environment it evolved in.


True, but how would this work? All the Krogans change their programming? But then it actually DOES eliminate our individuality and unique traits.

Modifié par balance5050, 10 mai 2012 - 08:16 .