gunslinger_ruiz wrote..
You seem to be leaping more than us Indoctrination Theorists are accused of (and sometimes rightfully so). There's less than a 1% chance for the breath scene to have some other random N7 in it, the fact that there's a male and female version of it should be enough evidence of that. If it's not enough you can actually match the scars in Shepard's armor to the scars in the armor in the Breath scene.
So your argument is, essentially, that the story we were told was intentionally left open to interpretation, should be taken completely at face value with nothing at all having any sort of meaning beyond that which is immediately visible?Hadeedak wrote...
I did. I've seen the video a couple dozen times by now, and most of the others on indoctrination theory. Clutching at straws also describes "HEY. HEY GUYS. The end of the game didn't really happen! It's all a dream!"
As stands, in the game right now, you cannot 'fail' the test, because it doesn't exist. All 3 endings are right and my Shepard's heroic sacrifice for control is as valid and ends the reaper threat as effectively as your Shepard's pragmatic, determined destroy. Speculation aside, that is how Mass Effect 3 presents the endings. It may change with the extended cut, but since they're expanding on the endings instead of changing them, I wouldn't bank on it.
Making it startling that you have yet to provide an answer that makes even the slightest bit of sense.Hadeedak wrote...
gunslinger_ruiz wrote..
You
seem to be leaping more than us Indoctrination Theorists are accused of
(and sometimes rightfully so). There's less than a 1% chance for the
breath scene to have some other random N7 in it, the fact that there's a
male and female version of it should be enough evidence of that. If
it's not enough you can actually match the scars in Shepard's armor to
the scars in the armor in the Breath scene.
Well. That was the joke. He asked me the same question 3 times.
Modifié par TSA_383, 11 mai 2012 - 08:21 .
Hadeedak wrote...
gunslinger_ruiz wrote..
You seem to be leaping more than us Indoctrination Theorists are accused of (and sometimes rightfully so). There's less than a 1% chance for the breath scene to have some other random N7 in it, the fact that there's a male and female version of it should be enough evidence of that. If it's not enough you can actually match the scars in Shepard's armor to the scars in the armor in the Breath scene.
I think TSA was trying to refer to the oily shadows in the screen as
Illusive Man assumes control of you, you see them in Nightmares 2 and 3,
and also the whispers you here in the background during the exchance,
you also hear these whispers in Nightmares 2 and 3.
"May" "may not" "Could be" You are closer to a theorist than I think you realize
To
clarify the Shepard/Illusive Man eye images. At first I wrote that off
as Shepard's cybernetic eyes coming through. But then someone pointed
out that Shepard's are in a different formation. While the Illusive Man
has 3 dots ina triangular pattern pointing up, Shepard's are 3 dots in a
triangular patter point Down. Even if Bioware had to use reause the
"Renegade eyes" asset for that they could have simply changed the color
to blue/green I think we can all agree they can change colors in
cutscenes easily (that was a quip about the endings, no offense Bioware
love you guys.)
Well. That was the joke. He asked me the same question 3 times.
Modifié par Hadeedak, 11 mai 2012 - 08:25 .
Hadeedak wrote...
I did. I've seen the video a couple dozen times by now, and most of the others on indoctrination theory. Clutching at straws also describes "HEY. HEY GUYS. The end of the game didn't really happen! It's all a dream!"
As stands, in the game right now, you cannot 'fail' the test, because it doesn't exist. All 3 endings are right and my Shepard's heroic sacrifice for control is as valid and ends the reaper threat as effectively as your Shepard's pragmatic, determined destroy. Speculation aside, that is how Mass Effect 3 presents the endings. It may change with the extended cut, but since they're expanding on the endings instead of changing them, I wouldn't bank on it.
Hadeedak wrote...
How does "Or it's on the Citadel" not make sense?
Hadeedak wrote...
What evidence do we have that slow indoctrination works as subtlety as it would be working on Shepard? Slow indoctrination is usually heavy on waking dreams and mysterious noises. It's the sort of thing your squad would notice.
If it's rapid indoctrination... the game's over at that point.
KevShep wrote...
Hadeedak wrote...
I did. I've seen the video a couple dozen times by now, and most of the others on indoctrination theory. Clutching at straws also describes "HEY. HEY GUYS. The end of the game didn't really happen! It's all a dream!"
As stands, in the game right now, you cannot 'fail' the test, because it doesn't exist. All 3 endings are right and my Shepard's heroic sacrifice for control is as valid and ends the reaper threat as effectively as your Shepard's pragmatic, determined destroy. Speculation aside, that is how Mass Effect 3 presents the endings. It may change with the extended cut, but since they're expanding on the endings instead of changing them, I wouldn't bank on it.
its only clutching at straws if its not backed by logic/facts/masseffect lore. The I.T. does not clutch at anything that is not in the game. There is very strong evidence to support the I.T.! Would you call evidence of evolution "grasping at straws"?
BWT the indoctrintaion Theory is counting on the endings to NOT be changing! If the main plan was indoctrination (like it is showing) then the ending would stay the same!
gunslinger_ruiz wrote...
but how many coincidence do you need until you see a pattern?
Modifié par MadRabbit999, 11 mai 2012 - 08:38 .
Modifié par Hadeedak, 11 mai 2012 - 08:40 .
MadRabbit999 wrote...
As at the moment I do not really believe in IT, I did pick control... it doesn't involve genocide of an entire species... or force YOUR idea of what is right, on every single living thing of an entire galaxy...
KevShep wrote...
MadRabbit999 wrote...
As at the moment I do not really believe in IT, I did pick control... it doesn't involve genocide of an entire species... or force YOUR idea of what is right, on every single living thing of an entire galaxy...
No, you just doomed the whole galaxy...your indoctrinated!
Hadeedak wrote...
*snip see above*
Modifié par MadRabbit999, 11 mai 2012 - 08:45 .
Hadeedak wrote...
The London rubble is also the Tuchanka, Palaven's moon, and Thessia rubble. I'm not quite sure why they wouldn't reuse it for a destroyed Citadel.
Regarding eyes -- renegade Shepard's eyes are specific to each eyeshape, which is why you don't see modders just slapping renegade eyes in with no scars, near as I can tell. So you could render a model for each eye. Or you could throw a filter and some grey junk on TIM's and be done. You don't want to use renegade Shepard's eyes, anyway, because if you do, and a renegade Shepard gets blown up... It looks rather foolish if the only thing that doesn't change are the eyes. Or worse, the eyes are partially broken up, with ash coming off them...
And then they go back to being normal for the death? And that's why renegade Shepard's eyes, visually, would be a terrible choice.
We didn't know that asari personally. She may have been acting very oddly -- hell, she kind of was in 2. But if Shepard started acting out of character, that's the sort of thing that the squad would pick up on. Not "You look tired" but genuinely indoctrination starting crazy. Which we've seen a few times.
Hadeedak wrote...
*snip*
And then they go back to being normal for the death? And that's why renegade Shepard's eyes, visually, would be a terrible choice.
MadRabbit999 wrote...
Sorry but as it stands the IT still makes no sense because it means ME3 is not over... so until I see the "REAL" ending, IT does not exist, so blue remains the least homicidal and hypocrite choice.
KevShep wrote...
MadRabbit999 wrote...
Sorry but as it stands the IT still makes no sense because it means ME3 is not over... so until I see the "REAL" ending, IT does not exist, so blue remains the least homicidal and hypocrite choice.
Thats sad..because it really is neat.
Second you sound like your mad at the Idea!
Hadeedak wrote...
KevShep wrote...
MadRabbit999 wrote...
As at the moment I do not really believe in IT, I did pick control... it doesn't involve genocide of an entire species... or force YOUR idea of what is right, on every single living thing of an entire galaxy...
No, you just doomed the whole galaxy...your indoctrinated!
Bet you the end of her game told her she ended the reaper threat and became a legend.
Hadeedak wrote...
A render doesn't preclude the use of models. It may be an artistic choice not to make things shiny, as well, because destroyShep DID just blow the place up.
The thing I don't like about indoctrination theory is that there's nothing that will disprove it. So. It's sort of silly to argue against. There's multiple interpretations of events in the game. I'm going with literal. My choice isn't invalidated by the game at any point. Further evidence may change my mind, depending on what's given to us. As stands, indoctrination theory is a nice hypothesis, but I don't find it compelling or feel the game drives me towards it. And as stands, you win with all 3 choices.
I'll check on this in the morning, most likely. It's been a fun little thread and I quite enjoy it, but I do require shuteye to function before I get sepiatoned.
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