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[Pride Demon]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Hadeedak wrote...

Proud to say my Shepard kept the relays and didn't turn on her allies! Control, baby, control!

And I still got the message at the end telling me I won. X3

The relays are destroyed in Control.

To play devil's advocate: in synthesis and destroy you see them overload and then blow up, in control you only see them overload, then it cuts to the galaxy scene.
Why removing that specific part if leaving it there and just changing the colour would have been easier? It was probably meant to imply something, imho in control the relays are damaged but not as much as in the other endings...

Modifié par Pride Demon, 11 mai 2012 - 11:09 .

[DarkSeraphym]

TSA_383 wrote...

It was suggested in the indoc thread that the "mass effect accelerator weapon" of "almost unimaginable power" in the second game might be related to the crucible... thoughts?

I considered that. There are a couple of problems though if I connected it with my theory. First, assuming that any iteration of the Crucible could be attached to any relay, what happened to the fragments from the relays that were destroyed in using it during that cycle? Did the Reapers remove them to fool us into thinking the relays could not be destroyed? Second, why did the weapon only effect one specific geographic location on a single planet? If you watch the Destroy ending with an abyssmal EMS rating, you'll see that the energy is completely indiscriminate and just burning everything it touches in one massive wave. Why did this not happen to Klendagon or even other planets in that system? Still, I think it is possible it might be related to the Crucible. Unfortunately, I doubt it will be said one way or another since Cerberus seems to sweep it under the rug in ME2.

TSA_383 wrote...

-If we assume the scene is real, then you are believing at face value the word of the being that controlled the reapers, and has been attempting to kill you and everyone important to you for years.
-However, the scene really can't be real, as otherwise it wouldn't be possible to survive the destroy ending (multi-kiloton explosion in outer space ---> Waking up on earth??? *and it is earth, there is a marked lack of wind noise in space*).

To be fair, there is a lot of stuff going on in the Mass Effect universe that should be impossible and I'm not even talking about Project Lazarus. How is it that Miranda can survive a vacuum environment with nothing more than a breathing mask? How was there anything left of Shepard's body to rebuild after reentry and impact with the planet below? How can those same individuals wearing the breathing masks survive in chlorine-based atmospheres wearing nothing over their entire heads? If mass effect fields are permeable to gases, how are mass effect fields clearly preventing gaseous oxygen and nitrogen from escaping through the gaping holes of Normandy SR2 during ME2? The list goes on and on. Not saying it isn't a possibility it wasn't real based on this, just saying that BioWare kind of has a precedent for this sort of thing in their universe up until that point.

Modifié par DarkSeraphym, 11 mai 2012 - 11:16 .

[DarkSeraphym]

Pride Demon wrote...

To play devil's advocate: in synthesis and destroy you see them overload and then blow up, in control you only see them overload, then it cuts to the galaxy scene.
Why removing that specific part if leaving it there and just changing the colour would have been easier? It was probably meant to imply something, imho in control the relays are damaged but not as much as in the other endings...

Its also worth mentioning that in the script that leaked in November 2011, the mass relays were not supposed to be destroyed in the Control ending.

[DJBare]

Foolishly on my first play through I chose synthesis not considering the implications, like many others I was not willing to destroy EDI and the geth, but after some thought, I realized Bioware trolled me good, the destroy ending is the only option where Shepard possibly survives, even putting IT to one side, that means the catalyst was lying, or at the very least attempting a bluff with the implications "even you are part synthetic"

On my first play through I put my trust in something that uses "deception" to achieve their goals, if this was Bioware's intent, then I congratulate them, that's not sarcasm, they will have pulled off one of the best headfakes I've seen in gaming.

[CroGamer002]

Control baby, control!




Plus I am not turning on my allies geth, friend EDI and making Legion's death go in vain.



And BTW, Indoctrination theory is even worse then actual endings.

Modifié par Mesina2, 11 mai 2012 - 11:20 .

[DJBare]

DarkSeraphym wrote...

Pride Demon wrote...

To play devil's advocate: in synthesis and destroy you see them overload and then blow up, in control you only see them overload, then it cuts to the galaxy scene.
Why removing that specific part if leaving it there and just changing the colour would have been easier? It was probably meant to imply something, imho in control the relays are damaged but not as much as in the other endings...

Its also worth mentioning that in the script that leaked in November 2011, the mass relays were not supposed to be destroyed in the Control ending.

Ever wonder why or how the beta got released with a copy of the script embedded in it?
This is microsoft we are talking about who have a strict policy about what gets delivered to their consoles, they have that policy for two reasons, the first being security the second being quality, all software has to go through certification before it's even put on the microsoft servers, anyone who saw the beta knew it was incomplete, lack of textures, no lip animation, character stuck in a window.

I'd be really interested to hear from consoles users if anything like this has happened before?

[Geneaux486]

[quote]1 Shepards voice is in the catalysts own voice mimicking him meaning that shepard is reapeating what the catalsyt is saying throught the catalsyt himself! This is odd because it clearly states that it is in shepards head![/quote]

Both male and female Shepard's voices are in the Catalyst's voice.  Is his twin sister there repeating things to?





[quote]2 If you pick control or synthesis shepard eyes turn into the illusive mans eyes. Why? This is not how TIM got his eyes! If you pick synthesis then your eyes should turn green but they dont...They turn into the illusive mans eyes! The game is giving us a clue![/quote]

Shepard's eyes turn into the exact same pattern, only it's upside down, in Mass Effect 2 if you're renegade (and in Evolution the Illusive Man's eye pattern is also upside down from what it is in the games), so if that is a clue to indoctrination, then Shepard was indoctrinated long before Mass Effect 3, and it didn't stop him from doing his job then (nor did it stop the Illusive Man from taking down the Collectors), which means it wouldn't now.





[quote]3. The rachni queen says that indoctrination is like seeing "Oily Shadows". We see oily shadows of people in our dreams.[/quote]
 
You see the shadows of people you've lost in your dreams, not in your waking hours.





[quote]4. The kid...He is in our dreams and at the end of the third dream we are given a warning...dont listen to the kid! You...will...Burn! Guess what?...You do in fact burn up if you trust the kid(control/synthesis)! It is not explaned why the catalyst looks like that...[/quote]

You're given no such warning.  Shepard and the kid burn, and that could mean any number of things.  As for why the Catalyst looks like the child, it's probably the same sort of idea as Concensus.  It scanned Shepard's brain, and presented itself in a form Shepard could comprehend.





[quote]5.The normandy running...nuf said![/quote]

Joker is avoiding the giant-ass explosion.  He'd be stupid not to try and do that.





[quote]6. Squadmates teleporting also nuf said.[/quote]

There was plenty of time between Harbinger's attack and Shepard's activating the Crucible for the Normandy to do a quick fly-by and pick up your stranded squad mates.  Not shown, but more plausible than them simply teleporting.





[quote]7.You hear the same music at the end (catalsyt part and of the walk to the beam) as you do in the dream parts. [/quote]

It's emotional music, and it's played at various other parts of the game as well.





[quote]8. After you get hit by the beam TIM/Anderson/Catalyst/Shepard ALL have an odd eco in there voice! This eco is the same eco as you hear in your dreams from your squadmates![/quote]

You hear your squadmates whispering to you in your dreams, it echoes so that they'll sound all far away and stuff.  The reason for the distortions in TIM's, Anderson's, and Shepard's voices is because the Illusive Man is using his weird psychic Reaper powers to get in your head and control your body.  Notice how the distortion stops after the Illusive Man is dead.





[quote]9.When you see the relays blowing up at the end on the galaxy map thing, did you notice where the game is saying that earth is? The game is saying that its at the edge of our galaxy...this is where the Arrival DLC was at![/quote]

Which would not be proof of Indoctrination Theory anyway.





[quote]10.Shepard in Londons rubble and not on the citadel because he cant breath in a vaccume as well as it being concrete. [/quote]

You have no idea whether or not he's in London, and you have no idea whether or not that stuff is concrete.  It also looks like the material in the final area of the Citadel Shepard is in.  His breathing is also irrelevant because he was outside on the Citadel in the scene before and was breathing just fine, so clearly whatever Citadel tech was making that possible is still active.

So to sum it up, you proposed one, two, three... ten peices of evidence that IT is real.  As for which of those peices actually is evidence of IT, there's one, two, three... none of them.  None of it is evidence that points specifically to IT. 





[quote]Not enough evidence one way or the other, can be argued either way, hard to make definitive statements if we accept a starting point where nothing is definitive?[/quote]

We have evidence that Shepard became a legend by ending the Reaper threat, as you know.  That evidence being the game telling you directly that it happened.  Let's say Shepard's exposure to Reaper tech (which is not quite as frequent as some tend to argue) does have some negative effects on him.  It doesn't logically follow that the ending is an illusion.  Shepard would be able to resist indoctrination long before he or she gets to the point of imagining long periods of time.  Hell, Saren was balls-deep in Reaper tech by the end of the first game, as was the Illusive Man, and they weren't halucinating to the point where they were cut off from reality.  As I said, IT is possible, but there is not sufficient evidence to say for sure.  Certainly not enough to say that people who didn't choose destroy "failed" anything when the game itself tells us the exact opposite.

Modifié par Geneaux486, 11 mai 2012 - 02:43 .

[Hadeedak]

Hah, yeah, I was trying to make a point about how little we can say with indoctrination theory as a starting point.

@Mesina2: You're damn right. And that's still the best comic.

[TSA_383]

DarkSeraphym wrote...

Pride Demon wrote...

To play devil's advocate: in synthesis and destroy you see them overload and then blow up, in control you only see them overload, then it cuts to the galaxy scene.
Why removing that specific part if leaving it there and just changing the colour would have been easier? It was probably meant to imply something, imho in control the relays are damaged but not as much as in the other endings...

Its also worth mentioning that in the script that leaked in November 2011, the mass relays were not supposed to be destroyed in the Control ending.

True, remarkably little has changed about the ending actually,
except that Javik was originally the catalyst and the child was called
"Guardian" (as it's still referred to throughout in the game files). It
was also only noted as being possible to survive via the high-ems
destroy ending, and notably, the game was set up to do a DLC check immediately following the high-ems destroy ending, but not the others, which is curious.

DarkSeraphym wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

It
was suggested in the indoc thread that the "mass effect accelerator
weapon" of "almost unimaginable power" in the second game might be
related to the crucible... thoughts?

I considered
that. There are a couple of problems though if I connected it with my
theory. First, assuming that any iteration of the Crucible could be
attached to any relay, what happened to the fragments from the relays
that were destroyed in using it during that cycle? Did the Reapers
remove them to fool us into thinking the relays could not be destroyed?
Second, why did the weapon only effect one specific geographic location
on a single planet? If you watch the Destroy ending with an abyssmal EMS
rating, you'll see that the energy is completely indiscriminate and
just burning everything it touches in one massive wave. Why did this not
happen to Klendagon or even other planets in that system? Still, I
think it is possible it might be related to the Crucible. Unfortunately,
I doubt it will be said one way or another since Cerberus seems to
sweep it under the rug in ME2.

TSA_383 wrote...

-If
we assume the scene is real, then you are believing at face value the
word of the being that controlled the reapers, and has been attempting
to kill you and everyone important to you for years.
-However, the
scene really can't be real, as otherwise it wouldn't be possible to
survive the destroy ending (multi-kiloton explosion in outer space
---> Waking up on earth??? *and it is earth, there is a marked lack
of wind noise in space*).

To be fair, there is a
lot of stuff going on in the Mass Effect universe that should be
impossible and I'm not even talking about Project Lazarus. How is it
that Miranda can survive a vacuum environment with nothing more than a
breathing mask? How was there anything left of Shepard's body to rebuild
after reentry and impact with the planet below? How can those same
individuals wearing the breathing masks survive in chlorine-based
atmospheres wearing nothing over their entire heads? If mass effect
fields are permeable to gases, how are mass effect fields clearly
preventing gaseous oxygen and nitrogen from escaping through the gaping
holes of Normandy SR2 during ME2? The list goes on and on. Not saying it
isn't a possibility it wasn't real based on this, just saying that
BioWare kind of has a precedent for this sort of thing in their universe
up until that point.

Thanks for jumping in with some new stuff
I just find it impossible, or improbable at the very least, even with ME's logic, that shep would survive a massive explosion in outer space, and "wake up" shortly afterwards on earth...
I mean, cerberus had billions in research funding and had to put him back together from a pile of shattered bits... and even that pushed the believability too far for my liking.

As for the giant mass accelerator weapon thing, I'm hoping we'll hear more in the EC.
Personally I'm still thinking the final scenes all take place inside Shepard's mind (hence sharing music, ambient noise, audio and video filters, foliage, characters etc with his dreams).
If that's true then we still don't really know quite what the crucible will do.

To me, it seems suspicious that an anti-reaper superweapon would survive so many cycles at all. Sounds an awful lot like a trap, and I have to say on my first playthrough, as now, I wasn't really a fan of "let's get this superweapon of largely unknown function and attach it to an ancient piece of reaper tech! Nothing can go wrong." as a military strategy.

Modifié par TSA_383, 11 mai 2012 - 04:54 .

[KevShep]

Geneaux486 wrote...



Both male and female Shepard's voices are in the Catalyst's voice.  Is his twin sister there repeating things to?







Shepard's eyes turn into the exact same pattern, only it's upside down, in Mass Effect 2 if you're renegade (and in Evolution the Illusive Man's eye pattern is also upside down from what it is in the games), so if that is a clue to indoctrination, then Shepard was indoctrinated long before Mass Effect 3, and it didn't stop him from doing his job then (nor did it stop the Illusive Man from taking down the Collectors), which means it wouldn't now.





 
You see the shadows of people you've lost in your dreams, not in your waking hours.






You're given no such warning.  Shepard and the kid burn, and that could mean any number of things.  As for why the Catalyst looks like the child, it's probably the same sort of idea as Concensus.  It scanned Shepard's brain, and presented itself in a form Shepard could comprehend.






Joker is avoiding the giant-ass explosion.  He'd be stupid not to try and do that.






There was plenty of time between Harbinger's attack and Shepard's activating the Crucible for the Normandy to do a quick fly-by and pick up your stranded squad mates.  Not shown, but more plausible than them simply teleporting.






It's emotional music, and it's played at various other parts of the game as well.






You hear your squadmates whispering to you in your dreams, it echoes so that they'll sound all far away and stuff.  The reason for the distortions in TIM's, Anderson's, and Shepard's voices is because the Illusive Man is using his weird psychic Reaper powers to get in your head and control your body.  Notice how the distortion stops after the Illusive Man is dead.





Which would not be proof of Indoctrination Theory anyway.







You have no idea whether or not he's in London, and you have no idea whether or not that stuff is concrete.  It also looks like the material in the final area of the Citadel Shepard is in.  His breathing is also irrelevant because he was outside on the Citadel in the scene before and was breathing just fine, so clearly whatever Citadel tech was making that possible is still active.

So to sum it up, you proposed one, two, three... ten peices of evidence that IT is real.  As for which of those peices actually is evidence of IT, there's one, two, three... none of them.  None of it is evidence that points specifically to IT. 






We have evidence that Shepard became a legend by ending the Reaper threat, as you know.  That evidence being the game telling you directly that it happened.  Let's say Shepard's exposure to Reaper tech (which is not quite as frequent as some tend to argue) does have some negative effects on him.  It doesn't logically follow that the ending is an illusion.  Shepard would be able to resist indoctrination long before he or she gets to the point of imagining long periods of time.  Hell, Saren was balls-deep in Reaper tech by the end of the first game, as was the Illusive Man, and they weren't halucinating to the point where they were cut off from reality.  As I said, IT is possible, but there is not sufficient evidence to say for sure.  Certainly not enough to say that people who didn't choose destroy "failed" anything when the game itself tells us the exact opposite.

1.  If you hear the opposite Shep in there too then what the Hell does that tell you? You have not answered that question from your prespective.

2.  If you dont see it as a clear sign from the devs then Iam sorry I dont know what to tell you...You can just grasp at straws and just make up one like all anti-I.T. people do that is not backed by anything yet there sure about there answer.

3.If he sees them in the waking hours then he KNOWS that he is being indoctrinated...DUH! If you know that your being indoctrinated then you can fight it off!

4.It scanned shepards brain?...how do you know that? As for it begin a warning, well if you cant see a clear and present warning then again Iam sorry I dont know what to tell you! I guess shepard is not burning in that dream by your logic!

5.Iam just shocked that you dont see what is wrong with that part of the game!!!!!!!!

6. Dude...really, How did joker know what the crucible was going to do?

7. You wrong yet again here because the music is ONLY in his dreams and then we hear it during the last 10 minutes of the game off and on!

8. The distortion does not stop after the illusive man dude! It plays out in the catalyst and shepard talks as well, and Iam shocked again that you have givin me no answers based on actuall facts or lore to my statments but your so sure that your guess are right when they dont makes any sense!

9.Yes this IS proof that something is wrong because the devs would not be so careless to put earths system in THE SAME EXACT PLACE THAT THE ARRIVAL DLC HAPPEND! This is where the I.T. says the indoctrination process started!

10. This one is a no brainer but if your not willing to look at what is there then Iam sorry I cant help you!

To sum it up your answers were the worst that Ive ever seen from an anti-I.T. preson!

[Geneaux486]

[quote]1.  If you hear the opposite Shep in there too then what the Hell does that tell you? You have not answered that question from your prespective.[/quote]

It doesn't tell me anything, it's probably just there for effect.  If your theory was true then you would only hear the same gendered voice as your Shepard.  You don't, so it's not.


[quote]2.  If you dont see it as a clear sign from the devs then Iam sorry I dont know what to tell you...You can just grasp at straws and just make up one like all anti-I.T. people do that is not backed by anything yet there sure about there answer.[/quote]

You're the one grasping at straws with this response.  His eyes indicate something, but to say that it indicates that the ending is not real is, based on the information we have now, completely assinine.  As I said, Shepard's eyes have the exact same pattern only flipped when he or she is very renegade in ME2.  When TIM first gets his eyes, they're in the same inverted pattern as renegade Shepard.  The patterns are clearly connected, and if it is a sign of indoctrination, then Shepard was indoctrinated as early as the beginning of ME2, plain and simple.


[quote]3.If he sees them in the waking hours then he KNOWS that he is being indoctrinated...DUH! If you know that your being indoctrinated then you can fight it off![/quote]

This is an asspull.  If the indoctrination is so strong that you actually realize it's happened then no, you can't fight it off.


[quote]4.It scanned shepards brain?...how do you know that? As for it begin a warning, well if you cant see a clear and present warning then again Iam sorry I dont know what to tell you! I guess shepard is not burning in that dream by your logic![/quote]

We can assume it scanned Shepard's brain because it took the form of a child that had been plauging Shepard's dreams.  I notice you seem to repeatedly respond to my counter-points with "Well if you can't see it my way I'm sorry but you're wrong" even though I'm backing up what I say with in-game facts.  The flames are open to interpretation, if you're going to argue that your interpretation is right and anyone who doesn't see it "doesn't get it", then there ain't a whole lot we're gonna accomplish here.


[quote]5.Iam just shocked that you dont see what is wrong with that part of the game!!!!!!!![/quote]

If you really think Joker was doing something wrong by avoiding an unknown potentially dangerous explosion, natural selection is not going to be your friend in the long run.


[quote]6. Dude...really, How did joker know what the crucible was going to do?[/quote]

Why would he have to know what the Crucible would do before rescuing his friends from an abandoned warzone?  Don't put words in my mouth, it makes you look desperate.


[quote]7. You wrong yet again here because the music is ONLY in his dreams and then we hear it during the last 10 minutes of the game off and on![/quote]

Listen when Shepard sees the child die at the beginning of the game.  It's playing there.  So yeah, you're wrong yet again.


[quote]8. The distortion does not stop after the illusive man dude! It plays out in the catalyst and shepard talks as well, and Iam shocked again that you have givin me no answers based on actuall facts or lore to my statments but your so sure that your guess are right when they dont makes any sense![/quote]

The distortion stops after The Illusive Man dies until Shepard meets the Catalyst.  All of my answers are based on in-game facts, yours are based on headcannon that I choose to reject.  It's actually kinda funny that you accuse me of rejecting in-game facts when the biggest rejection comes from you rejecting the game literally spelling out for you that Shepard ended the Reaper threat.


[quote]9.Yes this IS proof that something is wrong because the devs would not be so careless to put earths system in THE SAME EXACT PLACE THAT THE ARRIVAL DLC HAPPEND! This is where the I.T. says the indoctrination process started![/quote]

But if what you're saying about the eyes is true, then the process started at the Project Lazarus base, which is just one way in which your theory contradicts itself. 


[quote]10. This one is a no brainer but if your not willing to look at what is there then Iam sorry I cant help you![/quote]

It's an indistinguishable pile of rubble, it isn't obviously anything. 


[quote]To sum it up your answers were the worst that Ive ever seen from an anti-I.T. preson![/quote]
 
You don't know what you're talking about.

Modifié par Geneaux486, 12 mai 2012 - 06:22 .

[KevShep]

[quote]Geneaux486 wrote...


[quote]1.  If you hear the opposite Shep in there too then what the Hell does that tell you? You have not answered that question from your prespective.[/quote]

It doesn't tell me anything, it's probably just there for effect.  If your theory was true then you would only hear the same gendered voice as your Shepard.  You don't, so it's not.



[quote]2.  If you dont see it as a clear sign from the devs then Iam sorry I dont know what to tell you...You can just grasp at straws and just make up one like all anti-I.T. people do that is not backed by anything yet there sure about there answer.[/quote]

You're the one grasping at straws with this response.  His eyes indicate something, but to say that it indicates that the ending is not real is, based on the information we have now, completely assinine.  As I said, Shepard's eyes have the exact same pattern only flipped when he or she is very renegade in ME2.  When TIM first gets his eyes, they're in the same inverted pattern as renegade Shepard.  The patterns are clearly connected, and if it is a sign of indoctrination, then Shepard was indoctrinated as early as the beginning of ME2, plain and simple.



[quote]3.If he sees them in the waking hours then he KNOWS that he is being indoctrinated...DUH! If you know that your being indoctrinated then you can fight it off![/quote]

This is an asspull.  If the indoctrination is so strong that you actually realize it's happened then no, you can't fight it off.



[quote]4.It scanned shepards brain?...how do you know that? As for it begin a warning, well if you cant see a clear and present warning then again Iam sorry I dont know what to tell you! I guess shepard is not burning in that dream by your logic![/quote]

We can assume it scanned Shepard's brain because it took the form of a child that had been plauging Shepard's dreams.  I notice you seem to repeatedly respond to my counter-points with "Well if you can't see it my way I'm sorry but you're wrong" even though I'm backing up what I say with in-game facts.  The flames are open to interpretation, if you're going to argue that your interpretation is right and anyone who doesn't see it "doesn't get it", then there ain't a whole lot we're gonna accomplish here.



[quote]5.Iam just shocked that you dont see what is wrong with that part of the game!!!!!!!![/quote]

If you really think Joker was doing something wrong by avoiding an unknown potentially dangerous explosion, natural selection is not going to be your friend in the long run.



[quote]6. Dude...really, How did joker know what the crucible was going to do?[/quote]

Why would he have to know what the Crucible would do before rescuing his friends from an abandoned warzone?  Don't put words in my mouth, it makes you look desperate.



[quote]7. You wrong yet again here because the music is ONLY in his dreams and then we hear it during the last 10 minutes of the game off and on![/quote]

Listen when Shepard sees the child die at the beginning of the game.  It's playing there.  So yeah, you're wrong yet again.



[quote]8. The distortion does not stop after the illusive man dude! It plays out in the catalyst and shepard talks as well, and Iam shocked again that you have givin me no answers based on actuall facts or lore to my statments but your so sure that your guess are right when they dont makes any sense![/quote]

The distortion stops after The Illusive Man dies until Shepard meets the Catalyst.  All of my answers are based on in-game facts, yours are based on headcannon that I choose to reject.  It's actually kinda funny that you accuse me of rejecting in-game facts when the biggest rejection comes from you rejecting the game literally spelling out for you that Shepard ended the Reaper threat.



[quote]9.Yes this IS proof that something is wrong because the devs would not be so careless to put earths system in THE SAME EXACT PLACE THAT THE ARRIVAL DLC HAPPEND! This is where the I.T. says the indoctrination process started![/quote]

But if what you're saying about the eyes is true, then the process started at the Project Lazarus base, which is just one way in which your theory contradicts itself. 



[quote]10. This one is a no brainer but if your not willing to look at what is there then Iam sorry I cant help you![/quote]

It's an indistinguishable pile of rubble, it isn't obviously anything. 



[quote]To sum it up your answers were the worst that Ive ever seen from an anti-I.T. preson![/quote]
 
You don't know what you're talking about.[/quote]

There is just ssssoooo much wild guessing by you that I just dont know how I can respond when you already believe your own assumptions as hard facts.

As a show of good faith Iam going to show you a long video of EVERYTHING I.T. so far! If your still not on board I will apologize to you and yeld to you!....but you have to watch it though, its already changed alot of minds!

Its the best video to-date!..........    

[Hadeedak]

Most of us have seen those videos.Seeing them again isn't going to be a light bulb, unless there's something unequivocal in there -- moreso then "Shepard became a legend by ending the Reaper threat" in control, destroy and synthesis. And he's not making many assumptions beyond "The game isn't flat out LYING to us." He is presenting some alternative interpretations.

I do wonder why IT would be based off a DLC many of us didn't get, though. That default ME3 Shepard didn't go through. I think that particular version of IT is rather shakey.

Modifié par Hadeedak, 13 mai 2012 - 12:36 .

[Geneaux486]

There is just ssssoooo much wild guessing by you that I just dont know how I can respond when you already believe your own assumptions as hard facts.

You didn't read my arguments at all if you really think that.  Or you did, and your reading comprehension really is that ****ty.  I don't know which is worse.

As a show of good faith Iam going to show you a long video of EVERYTHING I.T. so far! If your still not on board I will apologize to you and yeld to you!....but you have to watch it though, its already changed alot of minds!

First of all, I played all three games and I've seen the endings, so the video can't show me anything I haven't already seen. 

Second of all, by hiding behind that video and expecting me to respond to it instead of you, you're effectively asking me to put more work into your argument than you're willing to put yourself.  If you think there's something in that video that will change my mind, cite it here.  I'm not going to do your work for you when the burden of proof is on you.

Third of all, I don't care whether or not you apologize and "yeld" to me.  Your argument was weak to start with, and your cop-out "if you can't see why I'm right then there's no helping you" bull**** responses are even weaker.  At this point I'm not even convinced you understand what facts and assumptions actually are.

Modifié par Geneaux486, 13 mai 2012 - 01:13 .

[balance5050]

Some will see it, some won't.

[Geneaux486]

balance5050 wrote...

Some will see it, some won't.

Some are born to sing the blues.

Modifié par Geneaux486, 13 mai 2012 - 01:12 .

[balance5050]

Geneaux486 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Some will see it, some won't.

Some are born to sing the blues.

Oh the movie never ends.....


Edit. dam... wanted a journey moment.

Modifié par balance5050, 13 mai 2012 - 01:15 .

[Hadeedak]

We are building a religion, a limited edition, we are now accepting callers for these beautiful pendant keychains...

[TSA_383]

balance5050 wrote...

Geneaux486 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Some will see it, some won't.

Some are born to sing the blues.

Oh the movie never ends.....


Edit. dam... wanted a journey moment.

IT GOES ON AND ON AND ON AND OOOOOOON

[balance5050]

TSA_383 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Geneaux486 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Some will see it, some won't.

Some are born to sing the blues.

Oh the movie never ends.....


Edit. dam... wanted a journey moment.

IT GOES ON AND ON AND ON AND OOOOOOON

Nice....

Modifié par balance5050, 13 mai 2012 - 01:38 .

[jijeebo]

Mesina2 wrote...

Control baby, control!




Plus I am not turning on my allies geth, friend EDI and making Legion's death go in vain.



And BTW, Indoctrination theory is even worse then actual endings.

I still love this picture, so much.

[Hadeedak]

(Can you tell I don't recognize the song? Reference failure on my part.)

It goes on and on, my friend! Some people started singing it forever just because...

Modifié par Hadeedak, 13 mai 2012 - 01:41 .

[hoodaticus]

balance5050 wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Geneaux486 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Some will see it, some won't.

Some are born to sing the blues.

Oh the movie never ends.....


Edit. dam... wanted a journey moment.

IT GOES ON AND ON AND ON AND OOOOOOON

Nice....

This.

[Bill Casey]

Hadeedak wrote...

(Can you tell I don't recognize the song? Reference failure on my part.)

It goes on and on, my friend! Some people started singing it forever just because...

Official Journey VEVO - "Don't Stop Believing"

[KevShep]

Geneaux486 wrote...

There is just ssssoooo much wild guessing by you that I just dont know how I can respond when you already believe your own assumptions as hard facts.

You didn't read my arguments at all if you really think that.  Or you did, and your reading comprehension really is that ****ty.  I don't know which is worse.

As a show of good faith Iam going to show you a long video of EVERYTHING I.T. so far! If your still not on board I will apologize to you and yeld to you!....but you have to watch it though, its already changed alot of minds!

First of all, I played all three games and I've seen the endings, so the video can't show me anything I haven't already seen. 

Second of all, by hiding behind that video and expecting me to respond to it instead of you, you're effectively asking me to put more work into your argument than you're willing to put yourself.  If you think there's something in that video that will change my mind, cite it here.  I'm not going to do your work for you when the burden of proof is on you.

Third of all, I don't care whether or not you apologize and "yeld" to me.  Your argument was weak to start with, and your cop-out "if you can't see why I'm right then there's no helping you" bull**** responses are even weaker.  At this point I'm not even convinced you understand what facts and assumptions actually are.

You have put no work into your argument because there is no proof to what your saying...What your saying is a bigger "?" then what I proposed!

Second Iam not hidding behind the video, Iam just done talking to some one that is not putting ANY thought into what Iam saying. Proof of this is the fact that your just making up answers as you go instead of actually trying to answer them truthfully!

Third, What the Hell is wrong with watching the video?....Its answers your questions...The only reason you would be against the video is if your only intrested in arguing/trolling!

Fourth, It does not matter if you have played all three games. What happend went over 90% of peoples heads so YES dude there is things in there that you HAVE NOT SEEN/NOTICED!

Just watch the d*mn video, good grief....You being complicated! Its no suprise that you cant see the evidence in front of you, its because you wont even look at it. If you cant see the sky then its not blue right?


oh BTW...here is a little something that YOU DID NOT NOTICE...



One last thing...Iam guessing that you picked control or synthesis. So tell me, Why did the last 10 minutes of the game make you contradict your entire serise playthrough? Wasnt the goal to destroy the reapers? Only suggestive indoctrination could get EVEN the PLAYER to sucome to indoctrination by the reapers themelves! I guess you forgot that the catalsyt is the MAIN REAPER yet you listened to him!

Modifié par KevShep, 13 mai 2012 - 02:27 .