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How many people failed the test by not choosing Destroy?


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KevShep wrote...

Hadeedak wrote...

Editted for accidental double post with humor.

AMIGAWD. EDI'S INDOCTRINATED!

*snippity snoppity snoo*

Ooor she, Shepard and TIM have synthetic eyes, and Shepard's have more than one layer.


This has nothing to do with edi. TIM did not get those eyes from the crucible, so why is Shepard getting the same exact eyes from the crucible? This ONLY happends with control and synthesis. Synthesis SHOULD turn your eyes green but it does not with shepard...it makes it the illusive mans eyes.


You have no way of knowing whether or not the same thing happens to his eyes when you choose Destroy... He is sort of engulfed in flames at the time. :whistle:

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Geneaux486 wrote...

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guys..all the choices are crap
really

and if you can't trust the starchild to tell the truth for one ending, you can't expect him to tell the truth for any of the endings

a lot of people have a problem understanding that concept and I'm not sure why..


Exactly.  The choices all carry the weight of sacrifice of one thing or another, because Shepard doesn't control the fabric of reality.  Everything the Reapers have done and everything organics throughout history have done in response to them, it all falls on Shepard's shoulders in the end.  He's got to clean up everyone else's mess, so of course his options will be limited.  The Crucible is the best of a bad situation, and the only way forward.  There is no wrong choice in using it.


Wait, destroy doesn't actually destroy the reapers if they are lying like you said, WTF man.
...slippery slope into IT again

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Hadeedak wrote...

EDI has the same eyes as TIM. So does renegade Shepard, just upsidedown.


Thats not the point, EDI was built with them. Shepards renagade eyes were red. The game is telling us that we are under control through control and synthesis since synthesis is another form of control. This is pointing at TIM.

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Vigilant111 wrote...
Wait, destroy doesn't actually destroy the reapers if they are lying like you said, WTF man.
...slippery slope into IT again


I think you have me confused with someone else.  I didn't say the Reapers were lying.  Actually they've been rather forthcoming with the attrocities they commit over the last three games, when talking to Shepard at least.

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Vigilant111 wrote...

Geneaux486 wrote...

M0keys wrote...

guys..all the choices are crap
really

and if you can't trust the starchild to tell the truth for one ending, you can't expect him to tell the truth for any of the endings

a lot of people have a problem understanding that concept and I'm not sure why..


Exactly.  The choices all carry the weight of sacrifice of one thing or another, because Shepard doesn't control the fabric of reality.  Everything the Reapers have done and everything organics throughout history have done in response to them, it all falls on Shepard's shoulders in the end.  He's got to clean up everyone else's mess, so of course his options will be limited.  The Crucible is the best of a bad situation, and the only way forward.  There is no wrong choice in using it.


Wait, destroy doesn't actually destroy the reapers if they are lying like you said, WTF man.
...slippery slope into IT again


nah, just a slippery slope into stupidity, apparently

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Vigilant111 wrote...

Geneaux486 wrote...

M0keys wrote...

guys..all the choices are crap
really

and if you can't trust the starchild to tell the truth for one ending, you can't expect him to tell the truth for any of the endings

a lot of people have a problem understanding that concept and I'm not sure why..


Exactly.  The choices all carry the weight of sacrifice of one thing or another, because Shepard doesn't control the fabric of reality.  Everything the Reapers have done and everything organics throughout history have done in response to them, it all falls on Shepard's shoulders in the end.  He's got to clean up everyone else's mess, so of course his options will be limited.  The Crucible is the best of a bad situation, and the only way forward.  There is no wrong choice in using it.


Wait, destroy doesn't actually destroy the reapers if they are lying like you said, WTF man.
...slippery slope into IT again

It has nothing to do with destroy/control/synthesis because its an illusion to get you into thinking that it is real so you will be easier to given into there suggestions for indoctrination.

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M0keys wrote...
nah, just a slippery slope into stupidity, apparently


Yeah, into IT, like he said. Image IPB

Modifié par Geneaux486, 22 mai 2012 - 07:38 .


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Geneaux486 wrote...

Vigilant111 wrote...
Wait, destroy doesn't actually destroy the reapers if they are lying like you said, WTF man.
...slippery slope into IT again


I think you have me confused with someone else.  I didn't say the Reapers were lying.  Actually they've been rather forthcoming with the attrocities they commit over the last three games, when talking to Shepard at least.


oops sorry that was for Jijeebo

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KevShep wrote...

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EDI has the same eyes as TIM. So does renegade Shepard, just upsidedown.


Thats not the point, EDI was built with them. Shepards renagade eyes were red. The game is telling us that we are under control through control and synthesis since synthesis is another form of control. This is pointing at TIM.


TIM's eyes, as any modder can tell you, work with any eyeshape. Since the other nonstandard eyeshapes are the crabbier "Embrace eternity" Liara eyes and serious renegade Shepard eyes (HILARIOUS in context or lacking drama for renShep), it's a pretty good model to use for eyes being destroyed.

Alternatively, if you insist on them having a Reaper origin.... Both control and synthesis Shepards are in the middle of being killed by an artifact at LEAST tangentially related to the Reapers. Shocker!

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KevShep wrote...

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EDI has the same eyes as TIM. So does renegade Shepard, just upsidedown.


Thats not the point, EDI was built with them. Shepards renagade eyes were red. The game is telling us that we are under control through control and synthesis since synthesis is another form of control. This is pointing at TIM.


Yeah, my game broke the fourth wall to tell me the opposite. :blush:

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Geneaux486 wrote...

M0keys wrote...
nah, just a slippery slope into stupidity, apparently


Yeah, into IT, like he said. Image IPB


I think that the I.T. is genuis! it fits with the lore as well as the direction of the series...TIM(control)...Saren(synthesis)...Shepard(destroy)...Reapers(indoctrination through suggestions)...makes you think about TIM's and Saren's way of thinking by the head reaper giving you suggestions on what to pick...it fits to well. 

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Vigilant111 wrote...

Wait, destroy doesn't actually destroy the reapers if they are lying like you said, WTF man.
...slippery slope into IT again


oops sorry that was for Jijeebo


I never said it did... But if you didn't trust the catalyst you wouldn't have shot the pipe in the first place, that's the point I was making.


The only way to not trust the catalyst ends with the crucible being destroyed.

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jijeebo wrote...
The only way to not trust the catalyst ends with the crucible being destroyed.


Yep, ironically the only choice that actually submits to the Reapers and accepts their logic.

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Hadeedak wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Hadeedak wrote...

EDI has the same eyes as TIM. So does renegade Shepard, just upsidedown.


Thats not the point, EDI was built with them. Shepards renagade eyes were red. The game is telling us that we are under control through control and synthesis since synthesis is another form of control. This is pointing at TIM.


TIM's eyes, as any modder can tell you, work with any eyeshape. Since the other nonstandard eyeshapes are the crabbier "Embrace eternity" Liara eyes and serious renegade Shepard eyes (HILARIOUS in context or lacking drama for renShep), it's a pretty good model to use for eyes being destroyed.

Alternatively, if you insist on them having a Reaper origin.... Both control and synthesis Shepards are in the middle of being killed by an artifact at LEAST tangentially related to the Reapers. Shocker!


I think your missing the point. The last 10 minutes is an illusion(indoctrination attempt). its the games way of telling us that we are indoctrinated like TIM. The crucible did not really give us those eyes.

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I see what you're trying to say, but it's a long way from concrete.... Or the only possible reason that eye model could be used there.

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jijeebo wrote...

Vigilant111 wrote...

Wait, destroy doesn't actually destroy the reapers if they are lying like you said, WTF man.
...slippery slope into IT again


oops sorry that was for Jijeebo


I never said it did... But if you didn't trust the catalyst you wouldn't have shot the pipe in the first place, that's the point I was making.


The only way to not trust the catalyst ends with the crucible being destroyed.


I am confused, what are we doing here again? aren't we supposed to kick the reapers back to whatever blackhole that they crawl out of?

To me the catalyst is just some air-head nobody, how it conveys its tone, whether he is perceived to be impartial or not, meant absolutely nothing to me (IT outta window), lets just say that everything is real and solid, I am given 3 choices, and I did not believe that any good will come out of controling or combining with the reapers, based on my perception of the reapers throughout the whole game, therefore I chose destroy, my distrust arises from the fact that they wanted to be controlled by my Shepard or combining with my Shepard (making him stronger, help galactic peace or whatever), that to me sounds like a bargaining chip for self-preservation.   Whether I trust the catalyst itself of whether the things it said will actually happen, that is whole other matter.

Modifié par Vigilant111, 22 mai 2012 - 08:04 .


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Hadeedak wrote...

I see what you're trying to say, but it's a long way from concrete.... Or the only possible reason that eye model could be used there.

we see the kid in our dreams as the catalyst (which was a really big red flag for me the first time). We also see a warning in our third dream saying to not trust the kid as Shepard is seen happy that he/she is burning (synthesis and control only). Also we hear things like shepard grunting as if he wa hit by a bullet when you shoot anderson, as anderson dies the camera makes it a point to show us a NEW wound in Sheaprd that was not there before and is symbolic with andersons death by the timing of the camera. There are alot of things that point to it but those are just a few. 

Modifié par KevShep, 22 mai 2012 - 08:07 .


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Close enough to and just as stupid as saying you won and I lost.  You're
still basically trying to pat yourself on the back extra hard for the
choice you made, for reasons that are baseless and contradicted by the
game itself.


For someone boasting so much about reading comprehension, you sure blow it up when it's no longer convenient.

Once again, try to grasp the concept of roleplay, please.

Know what else is stated in the game?  That Shepard ended the Reaper threat, no matter which of the three choices you make.

The game itself tells us that Shepard ended the Reaper threat.  That's
actually more reliable than an in-game character saying it, because it's
talking directly to you, the player
.  The only thing that's
hypothetical is a scenario in which Bioware retcons the story.


This is your main mistake, here. Everything relevant to the plot must happen during the plot, told to your caracter, aka roleplaying. Whatever is told to the player referring to him as such is not relevant to the plot. Why? Because it happens totally outside the Mass Effect universe, into the real world.

But the message is right, however, Shepard finished the immediate reaper threat. If you read properly, it doesn't say "forever", see? That message does not invalidate future works involving the reaper threat in any form (actual reapers, ancient reaper technology that indoctrinates another guy, whatever).

The message is right... for now. Not forever. It can be, if nobody decides to go for a reaper related plot again, it won't be if they do. I'm talking about chances here, all the time. That message is not definitive in any way.

I didn't lose track of anything.  First of all, the entire premise of
this thread is "I won, you lost", hence why the OP falsely claims that
anyone who didn't pick destroy "failed" a non-existant test.  As for you
and me specifically, you're really not much different from the OP.  All
this "the Reapers can still return in control and synthesis", "destroy
is the only ending that isn't a gamble", "you bought into enemy
propaganda" stuff, and you're gonna tell me you're not trying to
insinuate that the choice you made is better than the other two?  'Cause
that's sure what it looks like.  And is.


Again, so much for your reading comprehension. The premise of this threat is that, yes, and by supporting destroy I don't completely agree with everything OP says, do I? or must we all have the same exact opinion?

The choice I made is safer than the other two, in my eyes. Note how I always said the other two options "felt wrong", not "are wrong". I don't know what Bioware has planned for their ME universe so far, but letting the reapers leave surely opens a path for them to return. That is not a difficult concept to grasp. I don't think Shepard can control them, but maybe he does; I don't think synthesis and its magic DNA can solve all the problems and stop every war, but maybe it does. And everything will be just as good and as bad as it was if I pick destroy, but the reapers will be left out of the equation, unless they resurrect lol.

Try and exercise your reading comprehension a little. There is a huge difference between "if reapers are alive they might return" and "...will return". They certainly can, the possibility exists, like it or not. There is also the chance that will never happen.

Yes, I think destroy is the best option. I think it is. Think. That is not stating a fact, it's my opinion.

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The Mad Hanar wrote...

The IT elitist thread is still going. Wow.

BigGuy28 wrote...

Here is what I get from the people that choose synthesis or control:

1. You are easily manipulated. You listened to enemy propaganda and fell for it.

2.
You just let the reapers get away with the murder of trillions of
people and the extinction of thousands of species. I sure hope murder is
no longer a punishable crime after this or your Shepard will look like a
hypocrite for letting the worst mass murderers in the universe get away
with it
.


Says the person who commited genocide in his/her ending.

BUT THERE'S NO PROOF THAT THE GETH DIED!!!!!

Yeah, and there's no proof Synthesis turns everybody into husks either. But most IT believers are willing to believe that, with less in-game proof.


Ahahah oh lol, right. So, "most" IT believers, who believe the ending never happened, believe synthesis will turn everyone into husks? By believing synthesis won't happen?

Nice work, bro.

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You guys are all wrong.

Gravemind wants you to pick destroy.

Clearly evidenced by the fact that the Reapers take over the bodies of their victims.  JUST LIKE GRAVEMIND.

GRAVEMIND IS THE REAPERS.  D:

Modifié par kookie28, 22 mai 2012 - 08:42 .


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WinterCrow wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

The IT elitist thread is still going. Wow.

BigGuy28 wrote...

Here is what I get from the people that choose synthesis or control:

1. You are easily manipulated. You listened to enemy propaganda and fell for it.

2.
You just let the reapers get away with the murder of trillions of
people and the extinction of thousands of species. I sure hope murder is
no longer a punishable crime after this or your Shepard will look like a
hypocrite for letting the worst mass murderers in the universe get away
with it
.


Says the person who commited genocide in his/her ending.

BUT THERE'S NO PROOF THAT THE GETH DIED!!!!!

Yeah, and there's no proof Synthesis turns everybody into husks either. But most IT believers are willing to believe that, with less in-game proof.


Ahahah oh lol, right. So, "most" IT believers, who believe the ending never happened, believe synthesis will turn everyone into husks? By believing synthesis won't happen?

Nice work, bro.


I've had plenty of conversations with IT believers on here. It's not some random assumption. A lot of IT beleivers believe that.

Nice try, bro.

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WinterCrow wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

The IT elitist thread is still going. Wow.

BigGuy28 wrote...

Here is what I get from the people that choose synthesis or control:

1. You are easily manipulated. You listened to enemy propaganda and fell for it.

2.
You just let the reapers get away with the murder of trillions of
people and the extinction of thousands of species. I sure hope murder is
no longer a punishable crime after this or your Shepard will look like a
hypocrite for letting the worst mass murderers in the universe get away
with it
.


Says the person who commited genocide in his/her ending.

BUT THERE'S NO PROOF THAT THE GETH DIED!!!!!

Yeah, and there's no proof Synthesis turns everybody into husks either. But most IT believers are willing to believe that, with less in-game proof.


Ahahah oh lol, right. So, "most" IT believers, who believe the ending never happened, believe synthesis will turn everyone into husks? By believing synthesis won't happen?

Nice work, bro.

"OMG LOOK AT SHEP'S EYES THEY LOOK LIKE ILLUSIVE MAN'S U A HUSK NOW DAWG"

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The Mad Hanar wrote...

WinterCrow wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

The IT elitist thread is still going. Wow.

BigGuy28 wrote...

Here is what I get from the people that choose synthesis or control:

1. You are easily manipulated. You listened to enemy propaganda and fell for it.

2.
You just let the reapers get away with the murder of trillions of
people and the extinction of thousands of species. I sure hope murder is
no longer a punishable crime after this or your Shepard will look like a
hypocrite for letting the worst mass murderers in the universe get away
with it
.


Says the person who commited genocide in his/her ending.

BUT THERE'S NO PROOF THAT THE GETH DIED!!!!!

Yeah, and there's no proof Synthesis turns everybody into husks either. But most IT believers are willing to believe that, with less in-game proof.


Ahahah oh lol, right. So, "most" IT believers, who believe the ending never happened, believe synthesis will turn everyone into husks? By believing synthesis won't happen?

Nice work, bro.


I've had plenty of conversations with IT believers on here. It's not some random assumption. A lot of IT beleivers believe that.

Nice try, bro.


I'll believe it when I see it, specially because it doesn't make any kind of sense to think the choices *do* something if they're just an illusion. I doubt those are IT believers.

Anyway, why the hell are we discussing IT here? Please guys, we already have the IT thread for this. Let's debate in a "if the endings turn out to be exactly what they are, no tricks ongoing" atmosphere.

I love IT, I also think it's genius, but turning every thread into an IT thread just makes us look like fanatist ****s, really.

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KevShep wrote...
I think your missing the point. The last 10 minutes is an illusion(indoctrination attempt). its the games way of telling us that we are indoctrinated like TIM. The crucible did not really give us those eyes.


This is the think I find the most amusing, the reaper-tech eyes have nothing to do with indoctrination, they are a fragment of a soldier conversion process, maybe they can also indoctrinate, maybe not but Indoctrination can happen just fine without any implants at all.

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@WinterCrow B-but this IS an IT thread!