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[YNation913]

The Angry One wrote...

YNation913 wrote...

But the catalyst is the one that has given you the option to destroy it. I mean, you wouldn't even be able activate the crucible if the catalyst hadn't beemed you up and given you the choice. It's neither an enemy nor an ally at that point.

The Catalyst does not have a choice.
Regardless of whether the Crucible was designed by the Catalyst as a test, or by it's creators as a failsafe or whatever, the Crucible is not attached and has compelled the Catalyst to present new solutions.

Regardless of the fact that all choices are unsatisfactory, destroy is clearly the one it does not favour. While it still follows it's philosophy, it does eliminate the Reapers.
Put simply it is still the enemy. It is doing this because arbitrary rules/programming/whatever forces it too. Otherwise it would happily continue exterminating everyone. Therefore, the logical choice is the one it, the enemy, doesn't favour.

YNation913 wrote...

The Edge wrote...

I
picked synthesis the first time, but after thinking and reading about
the endings more, I changed my decision to Destroy. I'm banking on the
possibility that Star-Child was lieing and EDI and the geth are okay.

 
If the thing can lie, why didn't it hide the destroy option from you in the first place?

Because it can't.

I agree that it's compelled to tell you all your options, but therefore, it can not have its own agenda in presenting your options to you. It can favor one option over another, but because the decision is Shepard's alone, it can't really have a goal to trick Shepard into screwing the galaxy over. If that was truely its goal, there wouldn't be any compulsion to tell Shepard all his options; it would be in complete control of the situation, since the catalyst ultimately is what determines the various ways in which the crucible can be utilized.

[jijeebo]

Imperium Alpha wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

The ending was no "test", it was a choice.

All three have their positives and negative, you go with the ending that you feel is best for your galaxy, and you rage at how awful everything turns out regardless.


All three are perfectly valid, it's all about what's important to you in the long run.

Don't say such thing to IT believer. They will burn you for it.

LOL

Don't worry, i'll hide in my fridge... Right between my green vegetables and blue cheese.

[incinerator950]

Blue cheese is awesome.

[Silpheed58]

 Not that she wants to die, but:

EDI: Because the reapers are repulsive.  They are devoted to nothing but self-preservation.  I am different.

Correct me if I am wrong but control and synthesis perserves the reapers.

[blue water]

 Destroy.  Faced with the ambiguity of the choices it was the only one that was consistent with Shepard's goal over the course of the series.  I also feel it was consistent with the goals of Shepard's allies, including the Geth and EDI.  They went into the final battle knowing it meant they might not survive.  Losing them was brutal, but I believe they would have made they same choice.

:(

[balance5050]

Silpheed58 wrote...

 Not that she wants to die, but:

EDI: Because the reapers are repulsive.  They are devoted to nothing but self-preservation.  I am different.

Correct me if I am wrong but control and synthesis perserves the reapers.

"If we lose the will to fight the reapers, we lose everything"

[jijeebo]

Silpheed58 wrote...

 Not that she wants to die, but:

EDI: Because the reapers are repulsive.  They are devoted to nothing but self-preservation.  I am different.

Correct me if I am wrong but control and synthesis perserves the reapers.

We didn't know the reapers backwards logic then, though.


If you think about it the reapers are lovely, looking out for our galaxy like that. They have a funny way of showing it, but I get the feeling that they really care about organics.

[hoodaticus]

jpraelster93 wrote...

Any onewho believes ANYTHING THE STARIDIOT SAYS isnt a real fan

This.  Shepard would NEVER trust the Reapers.

It would be like the Grey Wardens killing King Cailan at Ostagar, letting the darkspawn win.

No effin way.

Modifié par hoodaticus, 09 mai 2012 - 11:47 .

[111987]

Control has all the advantages of Destroy, plus more, with no disadvantages besides the destruction of the Relays (which is less of a blow with the Reapers still around), which of course happens anyways.

[YNation913]

blue water wrote...

 Destroy.  Faced with the ambiguity of the choices it was the only one that was consistent with Shepard's goal over the course of the series.  I also feel it was consistent with the goals of Shepard's allies, including the Geth and EDI.  They went into the final battle knowing it meant they might not survive.  Losing them was brutal, but I believe they would have made they same choice.

:(

Well, EDI probably would, but the geth seem to value self preservation above all else... which is maybe grounds for justifying their extinction?

[hoodaticus]

111987 wrote...

Control has all the advantages of Destroy, plus more, with no disadvantages besides the destruction of the Relays (which is less of a blow with the Reapers still around), which of course happens anyways.

The disadvantage is that you become the next indoctrinated starbrat, whose sole purpose is to convince the hero of the next cycle to build the crucible of the advantages of replacing you.

[Silpheed58]

jijeebo wrote...

Silpheed58 wrote...

 Not that she wants to die, but:

EDI: Because the reapers are repulsive.  They are devoted to nothing but self-preservation.  I am different.

Correct me if I am wrong but control and synthesis perserves the reapers.

We didn't know the reapers backwards logic then, though.


If you think about it the reapers are lovely, looking out for our galaxy like that. They have a funny way of showing it, but I get the feeling that they really care about organics.

Our technology evolves on the course they set, leading us to building AI's that will destroy all organic life so they then kill us so that all organic life isnt killed because of the technological path they put us on... yeah that's love.  

[111987]

hoodaticus wrote...

jpraelster93 wrote...

Any onewho believes ANYTHING THE STARIDIOT SAYS isnt a real fan

This.  Shepard would NEVER trust the Reapers.

It would be like the Grey Wardens killing King Cailan at Ostagar, letting the darkspawn win.

No effin way.

He trusted the Catalyst enough to shoot the Crucible if you pick Destroy. How do you know that just wouldn't blow up the Crucible?

[hoodaticus]

111987 wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...

jpraelster93 wrote...

Any onewho believes ANYTHING THE STARIDIOT SAYS isnt a real fan

This.  Shepard would NEVER trust the Reapers.

It would be like the Grey Wardens killing King Cailan at Ostagar, letting the darkspawn win.

No effin way.

He trusted the Catalyst enough to shoot the Crucible if you pick Destroy. How do you know that just wouldn't blow up the Crucible?

Because, distrusting my own senses and what Justin Beiber was telling me, and knowing the Crucible had to be activated somehow, I recognized that Beiber was trying to manipulate me into not choosing destroy.

Modifié par hoodaticus, 09 mai 2012 - 11:54 .

[111987]

hoodaticus wrote...

111987 wrote...

Control has all the advantages of Destroy, plus more, with no disadvantages besides the destruction of the Relays (which is less of a blow with the Reapers still around), which of course happens anyways.

The disadvantage is that you become the next indoctrinated starbrat, whose sole purpose is to convince the hero of the next cycle to build the crucible of the advantages of replacing you.

You have total control over the Reapers, not the other way around. Shep isn't indoctrinated in Control; if anything, Shep indoctrinates the Reapers.

[forthary]

Nobody makes the jump the first time.

Oh sorry, I got confused. As for whether or not I passed the test, well, that depends. The first time, I broke free from indoctrination, but died because I didn't build up my potential. I did build up my potential through the help of multiplayer and eventually broke free from indoctrination, surviving in the process.

[Warp92]

All I want to say is you're pretty much effed no matter what decisions you make it's either Mass Slavery, Mass Ethnocide (or molestation w/e works for you ) and Mass Genocide, personally I've picked destroy but you know what..? I will say I didn't die when I chose destroy, and neither did the Geth or EDI go ahead and prove me wrong..

[111987]

hoodaticus wrote...

111987 wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...

jpraelster93 wrote...

Any onewho believes ANYTHING THE STARIDIOT SAYS isnt a real fan

This.  Shepard would NEVER trust the Reapers.

It would be like the Grey Wardens killing King Cailan at Ostagar, letting the darkspawn win.

No effin way.

He trusted the Catalyst enough to shoot the Crucible if you pick Destroy. How do you know that just wouldn't blow up the Crucible?

Because I survived, mainly.

That's an argument after the fact. You still trusted the Catalyst enough to shoot the tubes the first time. So saying Shep wouldn't trust the Catalyst is very hypocritical.

We also see after the fact that Control does work.

[N7Gold]

Hadeedak wrote...

jpraelster93 wrote...

Any onewho believes ANYTHING THE STARIDIOT SAYS isnt a real fan

EVERYONE'S Shepard believes him!

Not mine!

[Silpheed58]

111987 wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...

111987 wrote...

Control has all the advantages of Destroy, plus more, with no disadvantages besides the destruction of the Relays (which is less of a blow with the Reapers still around), which of course happens anyways.

The disadvantage is that you become the next indoctrinated starbrat, whose sole purpose is to convince the hero of the next cycle to build the crucible of the advantages of replacing you.

You have total control over the Reapers, not the other way around. Shep isn't indoctrinated in Control; if anything, Shep indoctrinates the Reapers.

For all over a minute.

[jijeebo]

Silpheed58 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

Silpheed58 wrote...

 Not that she wants to die, but:

EDI: Because the reapers are repulsive.  They are devoted to nothing but self-preservation.  I am different.

Correct me if I am wrong but control and synthesis perserves the reapers.

We didn't know the reapers backwards logic then, though.


If you think about it the reapers are lovely, looking out for our galaxy like that. They have a funny way of showing it, but I get the feeling that they really care about organics.

Our technology evolves on the course they set, leading us to building AI's that will destroy all organic life so they then kill us so that all organic life isnt killed because of the technological path they put us on... yeah that's love.  

I often lie awake at night wishing someone would offer to hunt me down, impale me on a spike and turn me into a zombie or melt me down to a genetic paste whilst I was still alive, and then make me part of a giant space-cuttlefish for the rest of eternity... All so I wouldn't maybe be killed one day by synthetics.

You can't buy love like that. <3<3<3

[111987]

Silpheed58 wrote...

111987 wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...

111987 wrote...

Control has all the advantages of Destroy, plus more, with no disadvantages besides the destruction of the Relays (which is less of a blow with the Reapers still around), which of course happens anyways.

The disadvantage is that you become the next indoctrinated starbrat, whose sole purpose is to convince the hero of the next cycle to build the crucible of the advantages of replacing you.

You have total control over the Reapers, not the other way around. Shep isn't indoctrinated in Control; if anything, Shep indoctrinates the Reapers.

For all over a minute.

What? Says who? You're just making things up now.

[djspectre]

On the first play through I didn't even see the pathways leading to the control and destroy choices because I was really, really tired after having played the game for nearly 50 hours straight and chose synthesis, which is hindsight was turning us all into mini-reapers.

While I believe that parts of the indoctrination theory hold true, there are many many signs (albeit very subtle and much more so than in the two previous games), that hinted at what the end choices truly represented.

[jijeebo]

111987 wrote...

Silpheed58 wrote...

111987 wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...

111987 wrote...

Control has all the advantages of Destroy, plus more, with no disadvantages besides the destruction of the Relays (which is less of a blow with the Reapers still around), which of course happens anyways.

The disadvantage is that you become the next indoctrinated starbrat, whose sole purpose is to convince the hero of the next cycle to build the crucible of the advantages of replacing you.

You have total control over the Reapers, not the other way around. Shep isn't indoctrinated in Control; if anything, Shep indoctrinates the Reapers.

For all over a minute.

What? Says who? You're just making things up now.

People have a habit of jumping to conslusions and making things up when it comes to control.

[Galifreya]

djspectre wrote...

On the first play through I didn't even see the pathways leading to the control and destroy choices because I was really, really tired after having played the game for nearly 50 hours straight and chose synthesis, which is hindsight was turning us all into mini-reapers.

While I believe that parts of the indoctrination theory hold true, there are many many signs (albeit very subtle and much more so than in the two previous games), that hinted at what the end choices truly represented.

I've read this a lot. o.o "I was tired, I just walked forward."

Everyone was experiencing Shepard's exauhstion. HOLY CRAP. I'm guilty of this as well. I'd pulled an all-nighter to finish.... I wonder if the BioWare team talked about this? =O I literally read that in about ten different places today.