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[eddieoctane]

_aLucidMind_ wrote...


To be fair, six months is a long time of no-contact so being a little insecure or worried is completely normal. Also, the events from the beginning of ME2 til the end of canon Arrival spanned 3.5 years (basically 1.5 years after meeting on Horizon). I think being a bit insecure in a relationship where the guy or girl never bothers to contact for so long is hardly a thing that should be criticized.

Average carrier deployment in the US Navy is 8-9 months. For security reasons, the fleet doesn't have much contact with people back home, save for Washington. So 6 months isn't really all that much. And I sincerely doubt that the Alliance would begrudge a war hero who, and one who is "under investigation" for following Hackett's orders to blow up a relay at that, the ability to write a love letter. "Hey Tali/Jack/Thane/Garrus.... Life on Earth is boring. I miss you. Love, Shep". Hell, people in ad seg in federal prisons still get that much communication.

All in all, there was some bad writing throughout the game. Unfortunately, we were forced to realize it instead of happily ignoring the minor faults when the ending blew up.

[Dendio1]

Unfortunately, we were forced to realize it instead of happily ignoring the minor faults when the ending blew up.

This is just a side effect of being on bsn for too long.

[MattFini]

skiadopsendow wrote...

MattFini wrote...

I don't mind the more sexual Jack in ME3. Afterall, if you romanced her in ME2 you really took your time with her. The big romance scene before the suicide run implies you don't even have sex so I thought it was perfectly natural that she felt comfortable with Shep at this point to be friskier.

Plus, I mean, a woman has needs...

But yeah, I was/am colossally disappointed with the way in which Jack's romance was handled in this game. I thought romancing her in ME2 was one of the most emotionally rewarding aspects of the whole trilogy. Once you finally break through her armor you get to see the real Jack. I got the sense that this was something very few people have ever seen and it really affected me. So much so that I left Liara in the dust and never looked back.

But I wanted more of that in ME3. The Grissom Academy mission gets your relationship off to a GREAT start. Things are frisky, a little tense and surprisingly sweet. It seemed like it was setting itself up to be the perfect evolution of your relationship. And then that's pretty much all you get (save for Purgatory).

At the very least, BioWare could've had Jack come and visit the Normandy one damn time. Maybe before you assault the Cerberus base she could've stopped by for moral support.

And honestly, I want to know what happens to us AFTER the damn game. His relationship with Jack was my Shepard's personal stake in stopping the Reapers and, at the end, there's absolutely no catharsis for this. This is true of everyone's relationship, but it feels worse with her because there's so little romantic content to begin with.

Fingers crossed for SOMETHING in the EC.

I have another Shepard that I haven't imported yet who romanced Miranda. From what I hear her romance is only marginally better.

Sorry, i know this topic is dead, but just wanted to give props to this post
Jack is my fav LI, and i hope that sometimes they'll fix this, even though i think it isn't going to happen... 

Thanks.  It's a big part of the ME trilogy on the whole, and to see it tossed aside (for Jack, and any of the ME2 folks, actually) is incredibly disappointing.

It's the investment in the characters that makes the game so compelling.  And that's why the ending doesn't resonate for many - there's barely any closure.

There's a reason Stephen King didn't end The Stand with the bomb exploding in Las Vegas, and instead gave us 100 pages of epilogue for all the surviving characters.

No, we don't have to see how their entire lives turned out, but SOME kind of immediate resolution (more than slides and a "oh no, we crashed but can take off again!" cutscene) would've been nice. 

[RasenRebirth]

MattFini wrote...

skiadopsendow wrote...

MattFini wrote...

I don't mind the more sexual Jack in ME3. Afterall, if you romanced her in ME2 you really took your time with her. The big romance scene before the suicide run implies you don't even have sex so I thought it was perfectly natural that she felt comfortable with Shep at this point to be friskier.

Plus, I mean, a woman has needs...

But yeah, I was/am colossally disappointed with the way in which Jack's romance was handled in this game. I thought romancing her in ME2 was one of the most emotionally rewarding aspects of the whole trilogy. Once you finally break through her armor you get to see the real Jack. I got the sense that this was something very few people have ever seen and it really affected me. So much so that I left Liara in the dust and never looked back.

But I wanted more of that in ME3. The Grissom Academy mission gets your relationship off to a GREAT start. Things are frisky, a little tense and surprisingly sweet. It seemed like it was setting itself up to be the perfect evolution of your relationship. And then that's pretty much all you get (save for Purgatory).

At the very least, BioWare could've had Jack come and visit the Normandy one damn time. Maybe before you assault the Cerberus base she could've stopped by for moral support.

And honestly, I want to know what happens to us AFTER the damn game. His relationship with Jack was my Shepard's personal stake in stopping the Reapers and, at the end, there's absolutely no catharsis for this. This is true of everyone's relationship, but it feels worse with her because there's so little romantic content to begin with.

Fingers crossed for SOMETHING in the EC.

I have another Shepard that I haven't imported yet who romanced Miranda. From what I hear her romance is only marginally better.

Sorry, i know this topic is dead, but just wanted to give props to this post
Jack is my fav LI, and i hope that sometimes they'll fix this, even though i think it isn't going to happen... 

Thanks.  It's a big part of the ME trilogy on the whole, and to see it tossed aside (for Jack, and any of the ME2 folks, actually) is incredibly disappointing.

It's the investment in the characters that makes the game so compelling.  And that's why the ending doesn't resonate for many - there's barely any closure.

There's a reason Stephen King didn't end The Stand with the bomb exploding in Las Vegas, and instead gave us 100 pages of epilogue for all the surviving characters.

No, we don't have to see how their entire lives turned out, but SOME kind of immediate resolution (more than slides and a "oh no, we crashed but can take off again!" cutscene) would've been nice. 

I agree on that one.  I cant believe there are people that just are eating that up saying it fixed all the problems.

[hadrain77]

I find it kinda sad that Conrad Verner had a better story and resolution then Jack/Miranda/Thane/Jacob and they where LIs and squad memebers.

[Xellith]

hadrain77 wrote...

I find it kinda sad that Conrad Verner had a better story and resolution then Jack/Miranda/Thane/Jacob and they where LIs and squad memebers.

True man. 

Cant believe Bioware screwed over the ME2 LI so badly. 

[Obadiah]

My first playthrough of ME3 was with a Jack faithful romance character. I thought it was pretty good - the few interactions seemed worthwhile enough.

[Hey]

the stuff at Grissom was cool. There should have been some naughty time tho...

[Xellith]

Jack's grissom academy scene should have been if you were a paragon to her in ME2. I just dont see a renegade Jack looking after some kids.

[corkey sweet]

SinZinDetta wrote...

So on my pre-insanity run I decided to stay faithful to Jack. So I meet her on Grissom Academy (With Liara who I romanced in 1 and said nothing) and she kisses on Shepard and gives a few lines. Then later I meet her at Purgatory, talk a little then we dance. Then nothing until the end of the game when you com her and all she says is she wants to get laid afterward...

That is all. Wow, so rewarding. Keep up the great work Bioware! Can't wait to play my Miranda romance Shepard

pretty much every love interest that isn't on the normandy got screwed over. i have saves with Jack and Miranda romances. i never imported anything other than my ME1 romance because Bioware did such a bad job on jack and Miranda. Oh, and heaven forbid you romanced Jacob:(

[Geneaux486]

Yeah what gives Bioware, you should have made her pop out of the TV as a real person!  It's not like there's any other aspect to these games besides the optional romance subplots!

Modifié par Geneaux486, 14 septembre 2012 - 02:04 .

[Hey]

Geneaux486 wrote...

Yeah what gives Bioware, you should have made her pop out of the TV as a real person!  It's not like there's any other aspect to these games besides the optional romance subplots!

yeah, i agree, but its nice in a character driven game that there is a nice sense of closure to the "relationship" of the characters you have become attached to.  Because honestly without the character interactions, I probably don't play Bioware games. 

[Geneaux486]

Festae9 wrote...

Geneaux486 wrote...

Yeah what gives Bioware, you should have made her pop out of the TV as a real person!  It's not like there's any other aspect to these games besides the optional romance subplots!

yeah, i agree, but its nice in a character driven game that there is a nice sense of closure to the "relationship" of the characters you have become attached to.  Because honestly without the character interactions, I probably don't play Bioware games. 

Fair enough, but I'd make the argument that short of a sex scene, Shepard's and Jack's relationship did complete its arc well enough following the events of ME2.  They see each other again after, what, six months apart, either reaffirm or terminate their relationship, maintain their friendship/relationship while both of them are extremely busy, say their (unbeknownst to them) final goodbyes during Priority Earth, and then Shepard croaks.  Most of the elaborate love scenes happen with characters aboard your ship, sure, but I think that's due to convinience, not favoritism.

[corkey sweet]

Festae9 wrote...

Geneaux486 wrote...

Yeah what gives Bioware, you should have made her pop out of the TV as a real person!  It's not like there's any other aspect to these games besides the optional romance subplots!

yeah, i agree, but its nice in a character driven game that there is a nice sense of closure to the "relationship" of the characters you have become attached to.  Because honestly without the character interactions, I probably don't play Bioware games. 

exactly, its what Bioware is known for. it certainly isn't the combat systems. The mass effect series could still use some major improvements in the gameplay area, and its pretty sad since we are 3 games in already

[Jadebaby]

OP, I award your bravery for even doing all these runthroughs. As soon as I realised how it ended and it doesn't even matte who you romance.. Well, let's just say I'm not going to put Kaidan and Garrus through the pain of losing Shepard like Liara did.

****ing endings.

[CronoDragoon]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

OP, I award your bravery for even doing all these runthroughs. As soon as I realised how it ended and it doesn't even matte who you romance.. Well, let's just say I'm not going to put Kaidan and Garrus through the pain of losing Shepard like Liara did.

****ing endings.

It doesn't matter who you romance because of the endings? Lawl.

[MegaSovereign]

I would have been satisfied if they made the Jack conversation at the bar longer.

[xsdob]

So becasue you didn't get a sex scene, the romance wasn't rewarding?

[Geneaux486]

xsdob wrote...

So becasue you didn't get a sex scene, the romance wasn't rewarding?

One of those weird moments where the discussion becomes applicable to both the game and real life...

Modifié par Geneaux486, 14 septembre 2012 - 05:05 .

[sUiCiDeKiNgS13]

xsdob wrote...

So because you didn't get a sex scene, the romance wasn't rewarding?

Because the romance storyline went nowhere, made it unrewarding. Grand total time: > 5 minutes

And yes, she and Jacob have the smallest screen time other than Kelly Chambers.

[thesnake777]

xsdob wrote...

So becasue you didn't get a sex scene, the romance wasn't rewarding?

I personally did not think it needed a sex scene..what it did need however was another conversation. The perfect time for it would have been when the normandy hooks up with the fleet before the earth mission. A holo call With a convo wheel where Jack and Shepard have the chance to put everything on the line. The way it was done....The arc was incomplete. 

[Hey]

Geneaux486 wrote...

xsdob wrote...

So becasue you didn't get a sex scene, the romance wasn't rewarding?

One of those weird moments where the discussion becomes applicable to both the game and real life...

lol... ummm.  yeah, so rewarding could be more screen time for sure... Or it could be "mind" "blowing" intamacy, whatever that entails....  Either way - MORE JACK!!

[sUiCiDeKiNgS13]

thesnake777 wrote...

xsdob wrote...

So becasue you didn't get a sex scene, the romance wasn't rewarding?

The arc was incomplete. 

This

[SlottsMachine]

Jack's last words to Shepard, "We'll bang okay."

[Geneaux486]

General Slotts wrote...

Jack's last words to Shepard, "We'll bang okay."

I know this is off topic but I gotta ask, what's with Cass' face in your avatar?

Modifié par Geneaux486, 14 septembre 2012 - 03:40 .