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[LadyAlekto]

Yes i do

Cheat is cheat, no matter what, no matter how sincere, a cheat is cheat.

[xtorma]

astheoceansblue wrote...

nuculerman wrote...

Read my other posts.  He personally didn't affect anyone in a meaningful way.  People like him, as a group, do.

People like him? 

The only people who have some kind of actual negative impact are those who modify the game files or glitch while a game is in play and cause other player's games to be disrupted or changed without their consent.

All he did was take advantage of a store glitch. This is not the same thing.

You absolutely cannot say someone who was tempted by a store error like this is the same as a person who plans to and then hacks a game on purpose. 

you are correct, but we only have the word of someone who has proven to be unreliable as to why this happened. Bioware made the judgement to ban, based on the seveity of the offense. You are arguing leniency with only the details supplied by the offender. You can condense your argument down and just say you either trust that bioware did what they thought best for the game, or you do not trust them.

We have many different catagories of cheating. This is not a system of law where each offense is clearly defined and min/max punishments are mandated. Bioware investigates , assigns a severity and issues a reprimand accordingly. If we just went by each offenders story, no one would ever be banned, and cheating would be the norm.

[marshalleck]

astheoceansblue wrote...

ShadedPhoenix wrote...

@oceansblue

I am playing for a long time, and anyone cheating in multiplayer, no matter what it is, no matter what kind, or what game. A cheater does not deserve any good treatment ever! Only the worse they can get!

I've been sharpening my skills in all this time, and the only thing cheater are creating is suspicion against good gamer, any skill you have can and will be regularly taking as being cheating, because cheater can receive the same power without earning them

Do you really asign the same level of seveirty to somone who:

1. Actively hunts down a hack, installs hack, loads game, uses hack to disrupt other's games and enjoys doing so.
to
2. A person who was tempted by a store error and made a bad call.

?

 Yes.

We see in the store that packs are supposed to cost credits. Anyone playing a video game should be sufficiently immersed in modernity such that they understand the concept of exchange of resources and shop transactions. E.g. you give the vendor money, the vendor gives you an item. 

If you push the button that says "purchase" and the vendor gives you an item without deducting credits, it's a strange singular occurence. If it happens a second time, there's obviously a glitch. Any more than this is willful, intentional abuse. 

[Astreus]

@ShadedPhoenix

What power? In this MP?

I give a little kid (or a new one/noob) a Javelin X and I dont know... Paladin X and let him play. And I take Revenger I only. All my $ on that I will kill and get more points than him. Its not about what weapons you have, its about if you know how to play.

This isnt my excuse. Its only true.

And for those, who dont read previous comments. When I stop use this glitch I still use only my Mattock X for Adept, Soldier, Engineer and Sentinel and Mantis X for Infiltrator and I have these weapons on X before glitch! I never use "cheated" character like Geths, Asari Justicar or Batarians. I stay with my H M Soldier!

[Freskione2]

Wow...your manifest is pretty awesome, too bad you can't use it now.
I know you already have been beaten to death with the, you are a bad person thing, but if you really do see the errors of your ways, perhaps suggesting that you lose all and start over would be an option you could present to EA and Bioware. Unless they said no already, then you're pretty much screwed.

[Bamford38]

SSV Normandy-SR2 wrote...
And for those, who dont read previous comments. When I stop use this glitch I still use only my Mattock X for Adept, Soldier, Engineer and Sentinel and Mantis X for Infiltrator and I have these weapons on X before glitch! I never use "cheated" character like Geths, Asari Justicar or Batarians. I stay with my H M Soldier!

If somone steals a load of televisions, but doesnt ever take them out of the box, is that still stealing?

Of course it is.

Stop trying to justify yourself.

[SGhost]

Cheating is cheating.

If it happens once and you don't realize it, that's a glitch.

If it happens, you realize it and you take advantage of it, that's an exploit. I've been playing online since the late 80s and even back then anyone who exploited a glitch was considered a cheater.

What could you have done if you TRULY regretted it? You could have contacted Bioware BEFORE you were banned, tell them what you did and ask them to reset your account. That is what folks mean by 'regret getting caught.' But now you're trying to find a way back in after you've been caught, tried, convicted and sentenced.

If you had come forward out of regret or guilt, that's different. But you didn't. Now you're banned.

Goodbye.

Good riddance.

[KiraTsukasa]

Nwalmenil wrote...

I'm sure this thread is heading towards a lock.. but when thinking about it some more it might be a pretty good solution to unban him after a while (and after wiping his unlocks).

I think a pretty good solution would be to ban him from the forums as well. If they unban him, what's stopping him from doing the same thing again? He says he's "sorry" but how is anyone to know he's actually telling the truth? Cheaters cannot be trusted.

[LadyAlekto]

@effeincheater

It is a revenant, not revenger.... and getting this gun to a high level means more power, power not earned, there are also cheater hacking their bin to have their guns at higher levels, or do insane stuff, that is also undeserved power

But if you get gear for free, or use a aimbot, it does not make a difference to me.

And as a note, i know i am harsh at my judgement, and since i judge myself equally, i can justify being this way

[xtorma]

KiraTsukasa wrote...

Nwalmenil wrote...

I'm sure this thread is heading towards a lock.. but when thinking about it some more it might be a pretty good solution to unban him after a while (and after wiping his unlocks).

I think a pretty good solution would be to ban him from the forums as well. If they unban him, what's stopping him from doing the same thing again? He says he's "sorry" but how is anyone to know he's actually telling the truth? Cheaters cannot be trusted.

Actually most forums have rules against posting about bans. I havent read through all the forum rules for bsn, but i am sure it's in there somewhere.

[Nwalmenil]

KiraTsukasa wrote...

Nwalmenil wrote...

I'm sure this thread is heading towards a lock.. but when thinking about it some more it might be a pretty good solution to unban him after a while (and after wiping his unlocks).

I think a pretty good solution would be to ban him from the forums as well. If they unban him, what's stopping him from doing the same thing again? He says he's "sorry" but how is anyone to know he's actually telling the truth? Cheaters cannot be trusted.

Well at least they know that the account has been cheating before and could have it under closer inspection. As I said, if he buys a new game he could just as well start with a brand new account and with a clean slate.

Edit: For the record, I'm not saying that BW should unban him (nor that they should keep him banned), but if they do they could give him a second chance while keeping him under observation.

Modifié par Nwalmenil, 10 mai 2012 - 03:03 .

[Crypticqa]

sp33dd34m0n wrote...

1stormseekr wrote...

He didn't stop till he maxed out everything, then i bet he went in game and played. That's when it effected every player he played with.

I welcome anyone in my game with a Javelin X, no matter how he got it.

And again: its just a video game and its Biowares fault. he payed for the game and the online pass and didnt hurt anyone and didnt effect anyones game on a bad way. IMo a ban for 7 days is fair anything else is just stupid. Were still talking about a GAME.

 This again...
Yes, we all know it is a GAME. So why defending someone who cheated? Why can´t they just enjoy the game like others? I would excuse a few packs sure. But someone who spent 4 hours buying packs? That should be considered as cheating, not simply using game glitch. :S

[Astreus]

@ShadedPhoenix

So, if you play with someone who has aimbot (CS or CoD or other FPS) and someone who killed you because a bug/glitch/texture bug he deserver permaban too?

I think not!

[Nwalmenil]

SSV Normandy-SR2 wrote...

@ShadedPhoenix

So, if you play with someone who has aimbot (CS or CoD or other FPS) and someone who killed you because a bug/glitch/texture bug he deserver permaban too?

I think not!

Actually, that I think would be a bigger offence since that actually affects his/her fellow gamers in a direct way.

[astheoceansblue]

I'm amazed that people think that being caught in the moment by a temptation is the same as premeditated hacking.

The only people I have no respect in relation to all of this are:
1. Cheaters who premeditate hacks/exploits that actively disrupt the experience of other's and enjoy it.
2. People who make a stupid mistake and then go on to make that mistake again, knowing full well how careless they were the first time.
3. People on moral high horses with an inflated sense of self importance.

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BTW - I do not agree with all the nonsense the OP is writing, please don't mistake my repsonses here for absolute support of his/her every word.

Modifié par astheoceansblue, 10 mai 2012 - 03:06 .

[marshalleck]

Caught in the moment...for more than four hours?

Modifié par marshalleck, 10 mai 2012 - 03:09 .

[Bamford38]

astheoceansblue wrote...

I'm amazed that people think that being caught in the moment by a temptation is the same as premeditated hacking.

The only people I have no respect in relation to all of this are:
1. Cheaters who premeditate hacks/exploits that actively disrupt the experience of other's and enjoy it.
2. People who make a stupid mistake and then go on to make that mistake again, knowing full well how careless they were the first time.
3. People on moral high horses with an inflated sense of self importance.

..............and the Dutch!!!

[KiraTsukasa]

xtorma wrote...

KiraTsukasa wrote...

Nwalmenil wrote...

I'm sure this thread is heading towards a lock.. but when thinking about it some more it might be a pretty good solution to unban him after a while (and after wiping his unlocks).

I think a pretty good solution would be to ban him from the forums as well. If they unban him, what's stopping him from doing the same thing again? He says he's "sorry" but how is anyone to know he's actually telling the truth? Cheaters cannot be trusted.

Actually most forums have rules against posting about bans. I havent read through all the forum rules for bsn, but i am sure it's in there somewhere.

In fact, OutSpark hired someone to troll their own forums and lock any threads discussing bans.

Or at least they did last time I was there.

[LadyAlekto]

@Effin cheater

If you would know what i consider a cheater does deserve you'd be going in hiding and cry for the rest of your life.....

Yes someone using a glitch to defeat deserves punishment as much as someone using a bot to do the same.

Only respect i have for any enemy is actually if i get defeated in the hardest and toughest way someone could do, as i try to master these as well, winning using the easiest tactics or equipment is no victory that should ever deserve respect, so if i am harsh in this already, then you should just accept being caught and receiving the lowest possible punishment you deserved

[Astreus]

@Crypticqa

Out the record...

And whos interested what I have in my inventory. I dont like 99% of guns what I get using this "glitch". My love is Mattock and Mantis and I never change them for Javelin X or BW X.

I use it because it was big tempt, have all thats guns. But really, no one trust me, but still I never used them. No weapons, character or supplies was used/shoot after that glitch. And you can think I lie, but I know I dont. And no, I am not a troll or kid or anything else.

Modifié par SSV Normandy-SR2, 10 mai 2012 - 03:12 .

[Knubbsal]

I'd have no problem letting cheaters get on multiplayer again if they buy a new online pass AND all their upgrades/characters/items/credits are reset to 0.

Double the price on the online pass if they do it a second time.

[astheoceansblue]

marshalleck wrote...

Caught in the moment...for four hours?

Erm, yes. 

The moment lasted that long obviously because of the rush the guy was probably feeling that was inevitably overiding all common sense.

Excitment can easily override this way, you act as if you've neve had or known anyone else to have human experiences before...

Again, I'm not justifying the "crime".

There's a reason that crimes of passion and premeditated crimes are seperated in court, you know? And why one carries more leniant punihsment than the other.

[1stormseekr]

lol if i am playing a bronze match trying to level up my new character and some cheater steps in with a maxed out weapons and resources then yes he takes away from my xp. I see he has bf3, if cheats at this game then he has cheated at others, including bf3 mulitplayer. Folks spend real money to try and get some of the weapons that he Cheated to get, aka stole from the store.

[CmnDwnWrkn]

There's a major difference between someone taking advantage of an opportunity presented by the game itself, with no inducement by the player, and somebody actively hacking to gain an advantage.

I wouldn't even really consider this cheating.  It's EA's fault, and it's their responsibility to fix.  I agree that the right thing to do would be to wipe what he received as a result of the identified glitch.

However, a ban strikes me as EA shifting blame from themselves to the player.  They should be taking all the responsibility for releasing a buggy/glitchy/exploitable product.

[jpraelster93]

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

There's a major difference between someone taking advantage of an opportunity presented by the game itself, with no inducement by the player, and somebody actively hacking to gain an advantage.

I wouldn't even really consider this cheating.  It's EA's fault, and it's their responsibility to fix.  I agree that the right thing to do would be to wipe what he received as a result of the identified glitch.

However, a ban strikes me as EA shifting blame from themselves to the player.  They should be taking all the responsibility for releasing a buggy/glitchy/exploitable product.