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[No Snakes Alive]

Oops, iPhone-fail doublepost. Sorry!

Modifié par No Snakes Alive, 10 mai 2012 - 04:39 .

[No Snakes Alive]

Stardusk wrote...

Also, Alternative Turian Build (will be added to old guide) and Geth Engineer Guide to come soon as well.

I sure hope that's going to be an offensive Geth Engineer build, or you'll be "guiding" us in the wrong direction.

P.S. Thanks for the Quarian Mage guide. Not the most dominant class by any means but tons of fun.

[IonSilverbolt]

QE is the only engineer that can debuff mobs and bosses. I would say they are the best engineer you can have on a team vs. Reapers this weekend. Debuffing Banshees will bring them down much quicker. Of course the infiltrator shooting the BW will get all the glory, but the QE plays a vital role.

The Talon is also awesome vs. Reapers. Better than a carnifex IMO. You can pretty much never miss with any pellets when aiming at Ravagers and Brutes even from out of cover. Plus, cannibals have fat upper bodies. Banshees are narrow however, so it's not quite as effective against them and it's a bit harder to fire from cover with a teleporting Banshee coming at you. Otherwise, this is the best pistol vs Reapers with AP mod and barrel.

Against Cerberus and Geth, I'd rather have a carnifex or phalanx. You can take an Atlas down faster with a talon, but everything else can be reliably head-shot better with a traditional pistol.

As for the turret, I don't see how skipping it is better. Even for gold. Yes, it's less useful in gold, but it's panic ability makes it a very handy get out of jail free card. It can thwart a charge of centurians giving you enough time to take them out, or it can stop a phantom from pew pewing you to death. Sure more shields might help, but having a way to keep from being charged is more useful. Only other option is the falcon/striker method.

[XCPTNL]

kinglewy00 wrote...

And yes, infiltrator is predominantly a sniper rifle centric class. So, if you're terrible at sniping, you're effectively not so great at playing an infiltrator in my honest opinion.
Also, your skills? Have you heard yourself? Really?

Only because there is a sniper evolution doesn't mean they are a sniper rifle centric class. To be honest, there are much better choices actually. I play one of my Infiltrators with a Black Widow, my other Infiltrators use other weapons and I'd actually tell most players not to play with a sniper rifle unless they are solid sniper players in general because the distances of most maps are not suited for the immense zoom the sniper scopes have which makes close combat sniping and quickscoping almost mandatory. And if you can't reliably hit enemies, kill phantoms with 2 of your 3 Black Widow shots, and basically hit with every shot... then just don't use one. Also Mass Effect is the only game I can think of right now which has a bonus for sniper rifles on the Infiltrator class. In most other games, infiltrators usually... well infiltrate. Like get behind enemy lines, cause confusing, sabotage stuff, lay traps, sneak up on people and assassinate them and lots of other stuff like that...

And who the hell are you anyway? I only see you rant all the time, about Stardusk in particular. I have not seen anything that would actually proof you are even capable of playing bronze without messing up. No videos from you or from other people with you in it, no solos, no guides, no comments from other forumites how awesome you are or anything like that. Now the same holds true for most of the people around here, but they don't critize everything someone else says. Especially if that someone is a good player like Stardusk who can play very well with the somewhat weaker or more challenging characters and is spending time on making guides for them so they may become interesting to other players as well. Also I played a lot with him and he CAN play an Infiltrator, he just isn't as good of a sniper as other people and admits it (which leads back to what I said earlier about not playing with a sniper rifle if you can't hit every with every shot - on gold at least. He'll probably would wipe the floor with any of your infiltrators to be honest. He just chooses not to play them very often because he doesn't like them very much. So maybe you should just stop ****ing and just keep out of threads like this if you are not interested in the topic and are only looking for a reason to start a pointless discussion...

[GodlessPaladin]

Proximity Mine debuffs bosses, does sigjnificant damage over a large area, triggers bursts, has essentially no cooldown thanks to cloak, stacks, can be set as a trap, and hits through walls.

Keep this in mind when talking about how "awesome" Cryo Blast is.  Also compare to the Biotic Bubble or Warp.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 10 mai 2012 - 05:11 .

[nuculerman]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

Proximity Mine debuffs bosses, does sigjnificant damage over a large area, triggers bursts, has essentially no cooldown thanks to cloak, stacks, can be set as a trap, and hits through walls.

Keep this in mind when talking about how "awesome" Cryo Blast is.  Also compare to the Biotic Bubble or Warp.

What is this cloak stack you speak of?

[GodlessPaladin]

nuculerman wrote...
What is this cloak stack you speak of?

social.bioware.com/forum/Mass-Effect-3/Mass-Effect-3-Multiplayer-Discussion-/Proxy-mine-debuff-stacks-11775881-1.html

So yeah. 

Ever see a Gold Atlas go from full to exploding in less than one second without missiles?  Fun times.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 10 mai 2012 - 05:23 .

[nuculerman]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

nuculerman wrote...
What is this cloak stack you speak of?

social.bioware.com/forum/Mass-Effect-3/Mass-Effect-3-Multiplayer-Discussion-/Proxy-mine-debuff-stacks-11775881-1.html

So yeah. 

It's particularly hilarious when you melt Gold Atlasses in less than one second.

Craziness.  And the low cooldowns because of cloak?  I don't play the infiltrator that much if you couldn't guess.

[DarkAedin]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

nuculerman wrote...
What is this cloak stack you speak of?

social.bioware.com/forum/Mass-Effect-3/Mass-Effect-3-Multiplayer-Discussion-/Proxy-mine-debuff-stacks-11775881-1.html

So yeah. 

something else to play as to not get bored by doing the same thing over and over again

edit: oh u ninja edited "why play this class?"

u sneaky ninja u 

Modifié par DarkAedin, 10 mai 2012 - 05:24 .

[Immortal Strife]

If the QE could spam area cryo blast and area incinerate to cause multiple cryo explosions-then this platform would be beast.

[EVILFLUFFMONSTER]

I like my QE with a turret. I pick all the power boosting perks, AP ammo and rockets - pop it somewhere with a good vantage point and it racks up the points while I mow down the mooks with my Hurricane/Geth SMG. On bronze or silver I come first quite often. I havent tried her on gold, as I usually pick classes that synergise best with the rest of the group for comboing - though I can see that on gold at least cryo and incinerate would probably be more useful than the turret.

I cant wait for the Vorcha classes, with any luck we will get another engi class with new perks.

[kinglewy00]

Korjyan wrote...

kinglewy00 wrote...

And yes, infiltrator is predominantly a sniper rifle centric class. So, if you're terrible at sniping, you're effectively not so great at playing an infiltrator in my honest opinion.
Also, your skills? Have you heard yourself? Really?

Only because there is a sniper evolution doesn't mean they are a sniper rifle centric class. To be honest, there are much better choices actually. I play one of my Infiltrators with a Black Widow, my other Infiltrators use other weapons and I'd actually tell most players not to play with a sniper rifle unless they are solid sniper players in general because the distances of most maps are not suited for the immense zoom the sniper scopes have which makes close combat sniping and quickscoping almost mandatory. And if you can't reliably hit enemies, kill phantoms with 2 of your 3 Black Widow shots, and basically hit with every shot... then just don't use one. Also Mass Effect is the only game I can think of right now which has a bonus for sniper rifles on the Infiltrator class. In most other games, infiltrators usually... well infiltrate. Like get behind enemy lines, cause confusing, sabotage stuff, lay traps, sneak up on people and assassinate them and lots of other stuff like that...

And who the hell are you anyway? I only see you rant all the time, about Stardusk in particular. I have not seen anything that would actually proof you are even capable of playing bronze without messing up. No videos from you or from other people with you in it, no solos, no guides, no comments from other forumites how awesome you are or anything like that. Now the same holds true for most of the people around here, but they don't critize everything someone else says. Especially if that someone is a good player like Stardusk who can play very well with the somewhat weaker or more challenging characters and is spending time on making guides for them so they may become interesting to other players as well. Also I played a lot with him and he CAN play an Infiltrator, he just isn't as good of a sniper as other people and admits it (which leads back to what I said earlier about not playing with a sniper rifle if you can't hit every with every shot - on gold at least. He'll probably would wipe the floor with any of your infiltrators to be honest. He just chooses not to pust lay them very often because he doesn't like them very much. So maybe you should just stop ****ing and just keep out of threads like this if you are not interested in the topic and are only looking for a reason to start a pointless discussion...

Let me get this straight, you're saying it's ok for him to to insist to people that sniper rifles as an infiltrator are useless just because he isn't good with them himself?
And that his word is simply gospel just because he posts a few videos of about 5 rounds of gold being soloed which people have been doing for months now?
He doesn't like infiltrators? Fine. Does he have a right to constantly call them OP? No. Are they one of the more effective classes? Yes.
I'll stop pointing out that this guy is a pretentious, contradictive moron when he crawls out of his arse and stops spouting absolute nonsense about a class he claims he's an expert on, yet clearly knows extremely little about.
I don't think he's a bad player. He's just no where near as competent as he likes to think he is and he's proven this countless times with the absolute crap he comes out with on here sometimes.

[Stardusk]

dunx125 wrote...

Thanks Stardusk, I will give this build a shot with my Talon III. Have you tried using the Black Widow/Valiant with a Human soldier? Adrenaline rush gives you a 5 shot clip, with a damage boost and durability increase for the last three. Frag grenades are now very powerful as well, so I'm sure a build like that could be very effective indeed.

I have a Black Widow Turian in the works, Human Soldier need practice with that.

[Stardusk]

No Snakes Alive wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

Also, Alternative Turian Build (will be added to old guide) and Geth Engineer Guide to come soon as well.

I sure hope that's going to be an offensive Geth Engineer build, or you'll be "guiding" us in the wrong direction.

P.S. Thanks for the Quarian Mage guide. Not the most dominant class by any means but tons of fun.

It will be BUT no GPS....

[Stardusk]

Korjyan wrote...

kinglewy00 wrote...

And yes, infiltrator is predominantly a sniper rifle centric class. So, if you're terrible at sniping, you're effectively not so great at playing an infiltrator in my honest opinion.
Also, your skills? Have you heard yourself? Really?

Only because there is a sniper evolution doesn't mean they are a sniper rifle centric class. To be honest, there are much better choices actually. I play one of my Infiltrators with a Black Widow, my other Infiltrators use other weapons and I'd actually tell most players not to play with a sniper rifle unless they are solid sniper players in general because the distances of most maps are not suited for the immense zoom the sniper scopes have which makes close combat sniping and quickscoping almost mandatory. And if you can't reliably hit enemies, kill phantoms with 2 of your 3 Black Widow shots, and basically hit with every shot... then just don't use one. Also Mass Effect is the only game I can think of right now which has a bonus for sniper rifles on the Infiltrator class. In most other games, infiltrators usually... well infiltrate. Like get behind enemy lines, cause confusing, sabotage stuff, lay traps, sneak up on people and assassinate them and lots of other stuff like that...

And who the hell are you anyway? I only see you rant all the time, about Stardusk in particular. I have not seen anything that would actually proof you are even capable of playing bronze without messing up. No videos from you or from other people with you in it, no solos, no guides, no comments from other forumites how awesome you are or anything like that. Now the same holds true for most of the people around here, but they don't critize everything someone else says. Especially if that someone is a good player like Stardusk who can play very well with the somewhat weaker or more challenging characters and is spending time on making guides for them so they may become interesting to other players as well. Also I played a lot with him and he CAN play an Infiltrator, he just isn't as good of a sniper as other people and admits it (which leads back to what I said earlier about not playing with a sniper rifle if you can't hit every with every shot - on gold at least. He'll probably would wipe the floor with any of your infiltrators to be honest. He just chooses not to play them very often because he doesn't like them very much. So maybe you should just stop ****ing and just keep out of threads like this if you are not interested in the topic and are only looking for a reason to start a pointless discussion...

Danke. Mir gefaellt dat Deus Ex-Bild...

[Stardusk]

K1LL STREAK wrote...

I like my QE with a turret. I pick all the power boosting perks, AP ammo and rockets - pop it somewhere with a good vantage point and it racks up the points while I mow down the mooks with my Hurricane/Geth SMG. On bronze or silver I come first quite often. I havent tried her on gold, as I usually pick classes that synergise best with the rest of the group for comboing - though I can see that on gold at least cryo and incinerate would probably be more useful than the turret.

I cant wait for the Vorcha classes, with any luck we will get another engi class with new perks.

I can't wait for the Vorcha either, definitey expect guides on them. I even made a group with abilities for them.

[XCPTNL]

kinglewy00 wrote...

He doesn't like infiltrators? Fine. Does he have a right to constantly call them OP? No. Are they one of the more effective classes? Yes.

Well they are OP and most people know it. Every halfway decent player can top the scoreboard easily, can solo waves easily, can cap objectives easily, can revive teammates easily, can evade trouble and deal a ton of damage. I love infiltrators (in many games) and I'm not saying they should be nerfed as this is not a competitive game and calling for nerfs is meh.. but the fact still stands they are the strongest, easiest and OP class of this game. That doesn't mean other classes can't be played with great success as well. It comes down to the individual player in the end.

But still Infiltrators are easy mode and if I didn't enjoy them so much, I'd not play them anymore simply because of that. The first 2 (recorded and posted) solo gold runs were both with infiltrators as well back when the demo was out. One was from Sp3c7eR with a Widow on a Salarian and the other one was (surprise) from Stardusk with a Claymore on a Human. It took quite a while till solo runs with other classes showed up and none during the demo days if I recall correctly. The first solo gold run vs. Reapers in the full game was yet again an Infiltrator. Oh and guess which class holds the record for fastest gold solo run...

Heck, when I finished SP and went online to MP most of the guys on my friendslist from the demo had already played quite a bit of MP and I had nothing unlocked or levelled. I was invited into a gold game, told them I hadn't played in the full game yet but I could join with an Infiltrator. So I got in with a Level 1 Human Infiltrator and a Level 1 Mantis and it was nor problem at all. And I'm not talking about being carried or anything, more like being equal or even better in points than the rest, not dying, doing the objectives and just play a normal game. And that is something I can't see with any other class (not that it's impossible, just not as easy...).

[DSxCallOfBooty-]

Stardusk wrote...

nicethugbert wrote...

Dicsiple staggers. Good caster weapon.

Disciple stagger is incredibly unreliable. In the video I endorse the Talon for its synergy with the QE's powers. Alternatively the Graal is the most reliable stagger weapon available.

I've read that Disciple stagger chance is increased if all pellets hit the target.

I still don't think it's as good as the Graal for the job, considering that the Disciple's pellets are greatly affected by lag, but if you ran Smart Choke and aimed for center mass it should get the job done.

[DSxCallOfBooty-]

Good guide/video. I can't say I'm a huge fan of the QE myself, but I'll definitely be giving her another shot after watching that.

[Stardusk]

DSxCallOfBooty- wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

nicethugbert wrote...

Dicsiple staggers. Good caster weapon.

Disciple stagger is incredibly unreliable. In the video I endorse the Talon for its synergy with the QE's powers. Alternatively the Graal is the most reliable stagger weapon available.

I've read that Disciple stagger chance is increased if all pellets hit the target.

I still don't think it's as good as the Graal for the job, considering that the Disciple's pellets are greatly affected by lag, but if you ran Smart Choke and aimed for center mass it should get the job done.

The Disciple is hit or miss, very unreliable even if hosting.

If that thing staggered like the Graal it might be worth it but it doesn't.

[kyles3]

Korjyan wrote...

Only because there is a sniper evolution doesn't mean they are a sniper rifle centric class. To be honest, there are much better choices actually. I play one of my Infiltrators with a Black Widow, my other Infiltrators use other weapons and I'd actually tell most players not to play with a sniper rifle unless they are solid sniper players in general because the distances of most maps are not suited for the immense zoom the sniper scopes have which makes close combat sniping and quickscoping almost mandatory.

Even if you are a solid sniper the constant screen-shaking from enemy weapons (Primes and Rocket Troopers, blergh) and teammate powers can make lining up shots a real hassle. Hats off to the good snipers out there, 'cause this game does not make it easy.

[DSxCallOfBooty-]

Stardusk wrote...

DSxCallOfBooty- wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

nicethugbert wrote...

Dicsiple staggers. Good caster weapon.

Disciple stagger is incredibly unreliable. In the video I endorse the Talon for its synergy with the QE's powers. Alternatively the Graal is the most reliable stagger weapon available.

I've read that Disciple stagger chance is increased if all pellets hit the target.

I still don't think it's as good as the Graal for the job, considering that the Disciple's pellets are greatly affected by lag, but if you ran Smart Choke and aimed for center mass it should get the job done.

The Disciple is hit or miss, very unreliable even if hosting.

If that thing staggered like the Graal it might be worth it but it doesn't.

I agree.  It's not a "great" weapon by any means.  Graal is too heavy for some players' liking though, hopefully they'll increase the Disciple's stun chance a little to make it more appealing.  Graal, GPS and Claymore are definitely the shotguns to use, although I can't say I've had too much success with the GPS myself.  I prefer the Talon to most of the shotguns though, the low weight and high DPS is so handy, it's hard to pass up.

[Shampoohorn]

DSxCallOfBooty- wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

nicethugbert wrote...

Dicsiple staggers. Good caster weapon.

Disciple stagger is incredibly unreliable. In the video I endorse the Talon for its synergy with the QE's powers. Alternatively the Graal is the most reliable stagger weapon available.

I've read that Disciple stagger chance is increased if all pellets hit the target.

I still don't think it's as good as the Graal for the job, considering that the Disciple's pellets are greatly affected by lag, but if you ran Smart Choke and aimed for center mass it should get the job done.

Isn't the Graal much more subject to lag?  In my experience with the Discipe (i.e. hit/scan), as long as an enemy is in your sights when you pull the trigger you will mostly hit it even when lag massively screws with the animations.  Graal not so much.

[OblivionDawn]

10/10 OP

Even if the Quarian Battlemage isn't the most effective, it's fun as hell to play.

[Stardusk]

DSxCallOfBooty- wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

DSxCallOfBooty- wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

nicethugbert wrote...

Dicsiple staggers. Good caster weapon.

Disciple stagger is incredibly unreliable. In the video I endorse the Talon for its synergy with the QE's powers. Alternatively the Graal is the most reliable stagger weapon available.

I've read that Disciple stagger chance is increased if all pellets hit the target.

I still don't think it's as good as the Graal for the job, considering that the Disciple's pellets are greatly affected by lag, but if you ran Smart Choke and aimed for center mass it should get the job done.

The Disciple is hit or miss, very unreliable even if hosting.

If that thing staggered like the Graal it might be worth it but it doesn't.

I agree.  It's not a "great" weapon by any means.  Graal is too heavy for some players' liking though, hopefully they'll increase the Disciple's stun chance a little to make it more appealing.  Graal, GPS and Claymore are definitely the shotguns to use, although I can't say I've had too much success with the GPS myself.  I prefer the Talon to most of the shotguns though, the low weight and high DPS is so handy, it's hard to pass up.

Overall, yes, Talon is the best, weight, damage, etc.

The Claymore should have inheren stagger and well as armor penetration, it is supposed to be most powerful shotgun in the game.