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[Sylvius the Mad]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Dragon Age II is a fun game and is fine as a successor to Dragon Age: Origins.

You know better than that, Maria.  Calling a game fun without defining the term isn't informative.

I certainly didn't find DA2 fun.  It was an unpleasant chore.

But me saying that without explaining why I thought so doesn't tell you anything beyond the fact that I didn't like it.  So what?  What good does you knowing that do?

[AudioEpics]

I certainly loved Dragon Age Origins, but I feel Dragon Age II was the better experience for me. Smoother, more enjoyable gameplay and a more emotionally engaging storyline.

[KoorahUK]

I loved Origins and I love DA2. They are different games. Sequel doesn't always mean more of the same.

'Fun' is a subjective term; you can't measure it you can only feel it. If it wasn't fun for you I'm sorry for your loss, but that doesn't mean the game was incapable of providing it, it just means your expectations were not met. I enjoyed it and played it more than once. I rarely do that with any game.

Doesn't make my experience any more or less valid than those that felt the opposite. Yes the reused assets were disappointing but the character interaction was superb. I went back and tried playing DA:O again and the silent Warden just felt...weird.

But that's me. YMMV and long may it continue to do so

[robotnist]

if we end up with a DA3 that is better than DAO and DA2, then DA2 will be completely worth it for everyone. if bioware figured some things out while making DA2, then we will be rewarded with an incredible DA3 if it plays like DAO and looks like DA2.

as far as the food analogy, hmm....

heres the deal, i'm pretty much a fan of all the things bioware creates, because every game they release is fun for me. i didnt like ME2 as much as any other BW game, but i still bought it.

and when i read about ME2 before release, i dont recall being prepared for the departure it was from ME1, i still think ME1 is the best sci-fi RPG of the bunch. funny that ME2 is the most stripped down RPG bioware has ever made yet it continues to receive praise, when i think it should be the game in DA2's position.

but when i read about DA2, i KNEW many things would be different. i KNEW it was going to be VERY different from DAO. for all that complain about a bait and switch, i could almost argue, "did u play the demo"?

just reading the bullet points on DA2 made me nervous, yes, capt. i DA2, was very nervous when i read,
- u can only be human
- the protagonist is voiced
- theres only one city
- you companions can only change their weapon gear
and so on....

if you read those 4 items ALONE and felt justified in complaining that you thought DA2 was marketed as being DAO2, then its only your expectations fault.

if i say DA2 is fun, and had fun playing DA2, then my statement is a fact.

i can't believe the semantics war that is continually going on here. "what is an RPG/// is DA2 an RPG/// if i play a gay character in DA2 should i go to hell?"

what happened was, you THOUGHT you ordered a steak, but you were drunk, and realized you must have ordered an RPG that took place in one city so that you could see the intimate changes happening around you as your character developed and made friends over the course of the 10 years you role played him/her.

even if DA2 doesnt have a cause and effect RPG system like (the popular to bring into this discussion) the witcher 2, its an RPG by virtue of the fact that your decisions alter what happens to your character, and you assume the role of the character you name, and alter his path of abilities, conversation etc...

now, if what happens to the city is only 1 possibility every time you play, its still an RPG because its at least giving the illusion (michael) that your choices have consequences, even if they don't.

it feels like ME brought in an FPS crowd that hated ME1, expected DA2 to be something, and on top of that, the hardcore RPG fans of baldur's gate, NWN and DAO, expected MORE "hardcoring" in DA2, so basically 2/3rds of the community ended up hating what DA2 became, i guess i ended up in that other 1/3rd.

[sim2er]

I like the title of this thread because it is true in many ways. I knew DA:2 wasn't going to be as good as DA:O because of the name.

If the team can't even think of a description other than "the sequel to the first game" than you know it isn't going to measue up. DA2 should have been named something like "Dragon Age: The Champion", and the third Dragon Age game should follow the same naming convention as all the other DA content.

Sure, DA2 has its (other) faults, but calling it DA2 created an expectation that it didn't fulfill.

[sim2er]

etherhonky wrote...
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heres the deal, i'm pretty much a fan of all the things bioware creates, because every game they release is fun for me. i didnt like ME2 as much as any other BW game, but i still bought it.

and when i read about ME2 before release, i dont recall being prepared for the departure it was from ME1, i still think ME1 is the best sci-fi RPG of the bunch. funny that ME2 is the most stripped down RPG bioware has ever made yet it continues to receive praise, when i think it should be the game in DA2's position.
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ME2 was fun for me (mostly). My biggest issue was the change in feel and art direction. In large part, this has to do with the switch back to a form of ammo. It just feels more generic sci-fi. Adding to this is the slowing down of bullets. Mass accelerators are basically just a type of railguns but this effect was removed and the bullets resemble traditional chemically propelled rounds. (I honestly don't know why this was changed).

there are several other differences but the relevant point here is that DA2 did the same thing. I know the qunari were not very different from humans in DAO due to timing issues but the changes were not subtle enough. And while I don't want to delve into all the other changes, lets just say I hope the third DA game is somewhere inbetween Origins and 2 stylistically. (and not called DA3 either!)

[hussey 92]

Origins and DA2 were very different. The problem for DA2 was that the things the two games did have in common were much better in Origins, one example being loot.

Modifié par hussey 92, 14 mai 2012 - 11:21 .

[Chaoz1994]

http://atomichatebom...ng-rpg.html?m=1

That's relevant for anyone saying that an RPG merely means that you play a "role". While DA2 certainly wasn't as much of an action game as Mass Effect has become, it really is heading in that direction. If it had been a new IP I suspect there would be less backlash - but even weaker sales. Solution to this - bring DA3 back to the Dragon Age that the fans know and love. The fans ultimately dictate sales.

[wright1978]

I liked DA2 but it did have some major issues that were likely due to the rushed release.