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[Tom Lehrer]

hchadw wrote...

Your just about Dead on OP.... Its going to be hard to explain it though... There ARE many people on this forum that Have not read the books....................and Seem to have issues Actually Reading in General so ignore the Nerdrage Idiotic Responses...............    people should really go read the novels.......................but they wont...............they prefer BLISS!

I read all the ME novles but still dont see your point.

[balance5050]

Tom Lehrer wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Yes, this is the most controversial ending in gaming history. The news that the "clarification" and the "extended scenes" (Shepard_Alive scene) have actually fixed the ending will spread far and wide and may be the most successful DLC of all time.

Do you understand the definition of the words clarification and free?

From my post before

Tom Lehrer wrote...

IT is a fan made theory based mostly off graphical errors and poor writing. The whole thing depends on the idea that BioWare knowingly did not sell us a complete game and has chosen to give us the real ending at a later time. To my knowledge there is no past example of anyone ever selling a game without a real ending. I know of DLCs that have changed and extended game endings but there is not a single
example of a game that was sold without an ending. 

I could spend weeks arguing about and proving wrong in-game "evidence'' of IT but I dont need to because the real world gives us a much easier way to prove it wrong. ME was a massive investment for EA and BioWare and their writing, marketing, and PR teams would not risk ME3s longer term profitability by not giving the game an end. We already see the fan outrage when the ending to such a loved series fails this hard...can you imagine the outrage if they tried to sell us the 'real ending' for 10$?[i]

The free EC was a marketing move to try and save sales for MEs DLC not to give us the ending we should have gotten anyway. The reason they dont deny IT is simple marketing. Should BioWare come out and say it is false the die hard ITers will lose interest and that will hurt profits. The real goal is to keep as many people on board as they can so that when EC comes out more people download it and possibly enjoy the expansion regardless and buy other DLC.
[i]

Yeah, because no other game has released true ending DLC or epilogues in DLC form before.... OH WAIT- Prince of Persia (2008), final fantasy 13-2, Asura's Wrath, Fallout 3, etc.

And Mass effect has released free DLC before (Firewalker DLC)

[Gorkan86]

Tom Lehrer wrote...

hchadw wrote...

Your just about Dead on OP.... Its going to be hard to explain it though... There ARE many people on this forum that Have not read the books....................and Seem to have issues Actually Reading in General so ignore the Nerdrage Idiotic Responses...............    people should really go read the novels.......................but they wont...............they prefer BLISS!

I read all the ME novles but still dont see your point.

I must admit, it's impossible to see with this presentation.

[balance5050]

Tom Lehrer wrote...

hchadw wrote...

Your just about Dead on OP.... Its going to be hard to explain it though... There ARE many people on this forum that Have not read the books....................and Seem to have issues Actually Reading in General so ignore the Nerdrage Idiotic Responses...............    people should really go read the novels.......................but they wont...............they prefer BLISS!

I read all the ME novles but still dont see your point.

The comics are the ones that have the juicy stuff though, you do know where TIM got those unique eyes right?

[Tom Lehrer]

balance5050 wrote...

Yeah, because no other game has released true ending DLC or epilogues in DLC form before.... OH WAIT- Prince of Persia (2008), final fantasy 13-2, Asura's Wrath, Fallout 3, etc.

And Mass effect has released free DLC before (Firewalker DLC)

Those were expansiones or changes to endings that were already in the game. According to IT ME3 has no ending, so I ask what game has EVER in the history of the industary been sold without an ending?

[Tom Lehrer]

balance5050 wrote...

Tom Lehrer wrote...

hchadw wrote...

Your just about Dead on OP.... Its going to be hard to explain it though... There ARE many people on this forum that Have not read the books....................and Seem to have issues Actually Reading in General so ignore the Nerdrage Idiotic Responses...............    people should really go read the novels.......................but they wont...............they prefer BLISS!

I read all the ME novles but still dont see your point.

The comics are the ones that have the juicy stuff though, you do know where TIM got those unique eyes right?

So I have to spend an extra 100$ just to understnad what should be explained in game?

[balance5050]

Tom Lehrer wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Tom Lehrer wrote...

hchadw wrote...

Your just about Dead on OP.... Its going to be hard to explain it though... There ARE many people on this forum that Have not read the books....................and Seem to have issues Actually Reading in General so ignore the Nerdrage Idiotic Responses...............    people should really go read the novels.......................but they wont...............they prefer BLISS!

I read all the ME novles but still dont see your point.

The comics are the ones that have the juicy stuff though, you do know where TIM got those unique eyes right?

So I have to spend an extra 100$ just to understnad what should be explained in game?

That's what happens when these companies want to create cross medium entertainment. The entire story for Halo 4 is forshadowed in a book.

[balance5050]

Tom Lehrer wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Yeah, because no other game has released true ending DLC or epilogues in DLC form before.... OH WAIT- Prince of Persia (2008), final fantasy 13-2, Asura's Wrath, Fallout 3, etc.

And Mass effect has released free DLC before (Firewalker DLC)

Those were expansiones or changes to endings that were already in the game. According to IT ME3 has no ending, so I ask what game has EVER in the history of the industary been sold without an ending?

No... have you played any of these? Asura's wrath is the best example because it's exactly the same deal as ME, it leaves the ending vague and depressing and you are left going" WTF?" go online and find out they will release TRUE ENDING dlc in a few months.

Mass Effect just got the brunt of the nerd armies because we love this series so much.

[Rip504]

hchadw wrote...

Your just about Dead on OP.... Its going to be hard to explain it though... There ARE many people on this forum that Have not read the books....................and Seem to have issues Actually Reading in General so ignore the Nerdrage Idiotic Responses...............    people should really go read the novels.......................but they wont...............they prefer BLISS!

You make a decent point,but why should I have to read multiple books to understand my video game? They are two separate and different forms of entertainment. I have never read any novels on any sci-fi. Yes I may have missed some things,but I still understood and enjoyed each one without having to read a book to prove a fanfic...
(To make sense of an ending that can be explained otherwise.)

Do Books and Video games go together like books go to class,and class goes to education,and education goes to life,or are they like Ascending goes to Imaginary Starkid that goes to Red that goes to Blue,and that goes to green?
(Please understand my statement doesn't make sense on purpose. A lot of people miss It when I do this intentionally.)

 IMO having to read a book to prove a fan fic is just plain nonsense... IMO I shouldn't have to read much of anything when engaged into a stunning visual interactive video game... The ending should be explained, O idk during the end perhaps. But that just seems like common sense to me and I must be wrong,because I haven't read the Novels that prove this fan fic...

[fr33stylez]

It's pretty clear that the people arguing you're stupid if you don't believe in IT are suffering from PTSD. It's perfectly understandable, the endings were so horrid that your mind had to make sense of it or else you'd REALLY go crazy.

I'm not mad.

[Tom Lehrer]

balance5050 wrote...

That's what happens when these companies want to create cross medium entertainment. The entire story for Halo 4 is forshadowed in a book.

This is not the point. Nothing in the comics or novels for that matter or mean anything in game at least for ME.

IT states the game has no ending but it does. It is a bad one but it is there. The team was rushed and the two leads decided to half ass the end without input from the rest of the team. That is why it sucks.  IT was made by a sect of die hard fans who would rather think BioWare is God on Earth then think some guys pulling an all nighter screwed up.

To this I say Occam's Razor.

Modifié par Tom Lehrer, 10 mai 2012 - 09:44 .

[balance5050]

Rip504 wrote...

hchadw wrote...

Your just about Dead on OP.... Its going to be hard to explain it though... There ARE many people on this forum that Have not read the books....................and Seem to have issues Actually Reading in General so ignore the Nerdrage Idiotic Responses...............    people should really go read the novels.......................but they wont...............they prefer BLISS!

You make a decent point,but why should I have to read multiple books to understand my video game? They are two separate and different forms of entertainment. I have never read any novels on any sci-fi. Yes I may have missed some things,but I still understood and enjoyed each one without having to read a book to prove a fanfic...
(To make sense of an ending that can be explained otherwise.)

Do Books and Video games go together like books go to class,and class goes to education,and education goes to life,or are they like Ascending goes to Imaginary Starkid that goes to Red that goes to Blue,and that goes to green?
(Please understand my statement doesn't make sense on purpose. A lot of people miss It when I do this intentionally.)

 IMO having to read a book to prove a fan fic is just plain nonsense... IMO I shouldn't have to read much of anything when engaged into a stunning visual interactive video game... The ending should be explained, O idk during the end perhaps. But that just seems like common sense to me and I must be wrong,because I haven't read the Novels that prove this fan fic...

I just read all the ME stuff because I'm such a huge fan, if I pay more money for more lore, obviously I'm going to have more knowledge about the game and it's nuances then someone who only does the bare minimum.

Halo Reach was Based on a book (more or less) and Halo 4 even more so with their "Shield World" gimmick.

I am an avid marvel reader so I know who the villain in the next Avenger's movie will be. If you truly enjoy something, it makes sense that you would want it in as many different form as you can get your hands on.

And the final media format they have plugged us into is the meta, IRL lore. All of uss trying to convince everyone else that they don't know what's going on sounds like Shepard talking to the Council, Saren, or TIM.

When I talk about I.T. I get an incredible fourth wall, meta feeling that  I AM SHEPARD, and I'm trying to convince you that indoctrination is a real threat, it's actually out there.

But some will still just dismiss those claims.

[nicethugbert]

The reapers and their indoctrination are so powerful that it would not surprise me if the entire galaxy was indoctrinated. The Milky Way is their farm and "we" are merely living in it until the slaughter.

But, then, I see no point in indoctrination or the entire story for that matter. OK, Shep is indoctrinated and he runs around doing stuff, being nice or mean as if it matters, then the reapers win anyway. What was the point?

[Nemesis1812]

Thing is in all of this, for those of us who believe or lean towards IDT, is that the disappointment will be all that much greater if it turns out to be false.

Every statement bw has ever made since the ending debacle has been ambiguous and vague.

I'm worried that we're setting ourselves up for an even greater fall...

[balance5050]

Tom Lehrer wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

That's what happens when these companies want to create cross medium entertainment. The entire story for Halo 4 is forshadowed in a book.

This is not the point. Nothing in the comics or novels for that matter or mean anything in game at least for ME.

IT states the game has no ending but it does. It is a bad one but it is there. The team was rushed and the two leads decided to half ass the end without input from the rest of the team. That is why it sucks.  IT was made by a sect of die hard fans who would rather think BioWare is God on Earth then think some guys pulling an all nighter screwed up.

To this I say Occam's Razor.

"Nothing in the comics or novels for that matter or mean anything in game at least for ME." 

Right, TIM's origin, Saren's origin, the first contact war they don't mean anything.

I know it suck to know that you have to read to get the ending.... but you do.

RELEASING CONTROL OF THREAD

[jijeebo]

balance5050 wrote...

Tom Lehrer wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

That's what happens when these companies want to create cross medium entertainment. The entire story for Halo 4 is forshadowed in a book.

This is not the point. Nothing in the comics or novels for that matter or mean anything in game at least for ME.

IT states the game has no ending but it does. It is a bad one but it is there. The team was rushed and the two leads decided to half ass the end without input from the rest of the team. That is why it sucks.  IT was made by a sect of die hard fans who would rather think BioWare is God on Earth then think some guys pulling an all nighter screwed up.

To this I say Occam's Razor.

"Nothing in the comics or novels for that matter or mean anything in game at least for ME." 

Right, TIM's origin, Saren's origin, the first contact war they don't mean anything.

I know it suck to know that you have to read to get the ending.... but you do.

RELEASING CONTROL OF THREAD

Well then Bioware still suck at storytelling... They suck hard.

[Erield]

balance5050 wrote...

Rip504 wrote...

hchadw wrote...

herp-derp read books or you're dumb and can't figure out the ending. [Original text was removed and replaced by my own; the spirit of the message is the same.]

You make a decent point,but why should I have to read multiple books to understand my video game? 

I just read all the ME stuff because I'm such a huge fan, if I pay more money for more lore, obviously I'm going to have more knowledge about the game and it's nuances then someone who only does the bare minimum.

Halo Reach was Based on a book (more or less) and Halo 4 even more so with their "Shield World" gimmick.

I am an avid marvel reader so I know who the villain in the next Avenger's movie will be. If you truly enjoy something, it makes sense that you would want it in as many different form as you can get your hands on.

And the final media format they have plugged us into is the meta, IRL lore. All of uss trying to convince everyone else that they don't know what's going on sounds like Shepard talking to the Council, Saren, or TIM.

When I talk about I.T. I get an incredible fourth wall, meta feeling that  I AM SHEPARD, and I'm trying to convince you that indoctrination is a real threat, it's actually out there.

But some will still just dismiss those claims.

You are saying that it is not only okay, but awesome that Bioware quite literally went about an exercise with no other point than to mind-**** people that have not gone out of their way to purchase every lore-related product they have.  You should be able to get more out of a story if, say, you've read the spin-off comics/novels/etc.  However, you shouldn't be required to have read the novels in order to understand the ending of Game Number Three when the same was not true for the first two games.

So you know who the next villain is going to be in the Avengers movie because you read the comics--that's cool.  Were you required to read the comics in order to understand what's going on in the movie?  Or were you able to get that from just watching the movie?

Modifié par Erield, 10 mai 2012 - 10:14 .

[BigGuy28]

But but guys! If you read page 50 of each of the novels backwards while squinting then watch the endings with the volume at max it gives you all the proof you need that IT is real! Really guys it does!

[Heg28]

jijeebo wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Tom Lehrer wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

That's what happens when these companies want to create cross medium entertainment. The entire story for Halo 4 is forshadowed in a book.

This is not the point. Nothing in the comics or novels for that matter or mean anything in game at least for ME.

IT states the game has no ending but it does. It is a bad one but it is there. The team was rushed and the two leads decided to half ass the end without input from the rest of the team. That is why it sucks.  IT was made by a sect of die hard fans who would rather think BioWare is God on Earth then think some guys pulling an all nighter screwed up.

To this I say Occam's Razor.

"Nothing in the comics or novels for that matter or mean anything in game at least for ME." 

Right, TIM's origin, Saren's origin, the first contact war they don't mean anything.

I know it suck to know that you have to read to get the ending.... but you do.

RELEASING CONTROL OF THREAD

Well then Bioware still suck at storytelling... They suck hard.

Why do you have to read the books to understand it? I certainly didn´t read the books and I still know what indoctrination is from the codex and certain game events, most importantly TIM, Kai Leng and Cerberus.

All the OP claimed is that the scene with TIM is an indoctrination attempt, even if the scene is real. Don´t you believe that? I think the evidence is made perfectly clear in the game using the alien voices, headaches and oily shadows. In that scene TIM tries to convince you of his believes, he in fact tries that throughout the whole game. Considering that the Reapers are already controlling TIM, they want to convince you of their believes. And that´s what indoctrination is all about.

[jijeebo]

BigGuy28 wrote...

But but guys! If you read page 50 of each of the novels backwards while squinting then watch the endings with the volume at max it gives you all the proof you need that IT is real! Really guys it does!

Will this work if I download the books onto my eReader?

I don't want to miss out on all this proof i've been hearing about.

Also, headphones or speaker?

[BigGuy28]

jijeebo wrote...

BigGuy28 wrote...

But but guys! If you read page 50 of each of the novels backwards while squinting then watch the endings with the volume at max it gives you all the proof you need that IT is real! Really guys it does!

Will this work if I download the books onto my eReader?

I don't want to miss out on all this proof i've been hearing about.

Also, headphones or speaker?

No you have to have the physical copy of the book or it won't work right. Headphones or speaker, headphones for better effect though.

[jijeebo]

BigGuy28 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

BigGuy28 wrote...

But but guys! If you read page 50 of each of the novels backwards while squinting then watch the endings with the volume at max it gives you all the proof you need that IT is real! Really guys it does!

Will this work if I download the books onto my eReader?

I don't want to miss out on all this proof i've been hearing about.

Also, headphones or speaker?

No you have to have the physical copy of the book or it won't work right. Headphones or speaker, headphones for better effect though.

Darn, now i've got to wait 5-7 working days to get started on uncovering the real endings.

This is too much suspence... AH CANNAE DO IT CAPTAIN!

[Tom Lehrer]

BigGuy28 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

BigGuy28 wrote...

But but guys! If you read page 50 of each of the novels backwards while squinting then watch the endings with the volume at max it gives you all the proof you need that IT is real! Really guys it does!

Will this work if I download the books onto my eReader?

I don't want to miss out on all this proof i've been hearing about.

Also, headphones or speaker?

No you have to have the physical copy of the book or it won't work right. Headphones or speaker, headphones for better effect though.

That must be why I still dont understand IT. I only have the eBooks 

[Rip504]

balance5050 wrote...

And if I know the context of the novels,without paying? Without physically reading the book? Are you still a huge fan,or implying you are a bigger fan then I? To assume someone who does not read the book holds no knowledge of what is in the books is? So obviously you do not hold more knowledge,then all of those who do not go through the exact steps as you do. As It is possible to be fully aware of the books contents without reading them.
Bare minimum,yes.

Halo 4? Halo Books? I am missing the point? Is Halo not explained in-game? Do you assume Halo 4 will not explain itself to people who have not read the book?

I truly enjoy ME,Marvel etc,I do not truly enjoy reading,so no your statement is false. I wear glasses and have a lens in my eye that enjoys to relax on me(time to time) when reading etc,Blurring the words(with glasses on) making reading a chore,not an enjoyable experience(At times). Yes that is individual to me,but I have never enjoyed reading. IDk y. Writing yes,reading no. I will admit this though.

I am only trying to convince people it is OK to have differing opinions. My opinion is mine based on this and that,and yours is yours. Now let's take the 2 and have a constructive conversation. People should make up their own minds,and we agree that they should do it using as much information as possible. This is why it is important to share and discuss different opinions. Facts etc. Will I ever tell people they have to,should,or need to read the books? No,as that should be completely up to them. You should have given some detail or insight into the books,as it sits right now: A potential IT believers thinks I am living in Bliss,because I have not read the novels. And assumes I do not know it's contents,or all the theories around IT. If I did read the Novels you are implying I would believe in IT.: That is how your statement came across to me. I fully disagree,and do not think the ME novels are needed,but rather add a great deal of life into ME. Also your statement felt as if it was intended to be condescending. If you are trying to help people believe in IT,or "open their eyes" I feel you took the wrong approach.

Within the Mass Effect Universe,or in every day life? I believe Indoctrination is a real threat in ME,but it does not and in no way proves the IT. Indoctrination in real life? May be a little far fetched for me. Deceit,deception,luring tactics,etc are a real threat used by many in our daily lives.

Edit: Also I have not seen the Avengers movie and have no idea about it's settings etc,nor have I read any novel or Avenger comics. But I do have a question...? Where is Wolverine? Is the movie set after he left? Before he Joined? Or do they just not care,like in the last X-men movie?  O wait how could I possibly know Wolverine was an anverger? I do not enjoy reading... But I do enjoy knowledge.

Modifié par Rip504, 10 mai 2012 - 11:08 .

[Heg28]

Rip504 wrote...


And if I know the context of the novels,without paying? Without physically reading the book? Are you still a huge fan,or implying you are a bigger fan then I? To assume someone who does not read the book holds no knowledge of what is in the books is? So obviously you do not hold more knowledge,then all of those who do not go through the exact steps as you do. As It is possible to be fully aware of the books contents without reading them.
Bare minimum,yes.

Halo 4? Halo Books? I am missing the point? Is Halo not explained in-game? Do you assume Halo 4 will not explain itself to people who have not read the book?

I truly enjoy ME,Marvel etc,I do not truly enjoy reading,so no your statement is false. I wear glasses and have a lens in my eye that enjoys to relax on me(time to time) when reading etc,Blurring the words(with glasses on) making reading a chore,not an enjoyable experience(At times). Yes that is individual to me,but I have never enjoyed reading. IDk y. Writing yes,reading no. I will admit this though.

I am only trying to convince people it is OK to have differing opinions. My opinion is mine based on this and that,and yours is yours. Now let's take the 2 and have a constructive conversation. People should make up their own minds,and we agree that they should do it using as much information as possible. This is why it is important to share and discuss different opinions. Facts etc. Will I ever tell people they have to,should,or need to read the books? No,as that should be completely up to them. You should have given some detail or insight into the books,as it sits right now: A potential IT believers thinks I am living in Bliss,because I have not read the novels. And assumes I do not know it's contents,or all the theories around IT. If I did read the Novels you are implying I would believe in IT.: That is how your statement came across to me. I fully disagree,and do not think the ME novels are needed,but rather add a great deal of life into ME. Also your statement felt as if it was intended to be condescending. If you are trying to help people believe in IT,or "open their eyes" I feel you took the wrong approach.

Within the Mass Effect Universe,or in every day life? I believe Indoctrination is a real threat in ME,but it does not and in no way proves the IT. Indoctrination in real life? May be a little far fetched for me. Deceit,deception,luring tactics,etc are a real threat used by many in our daily lives.

Where did this even come from that you need the books in order to understand IT? All IT evidence movies that I watched are incredibly long and are only using hints out of the games.

But it was my understanding that the purpose of this threat is not to prove IT, but to convince people that just the scene with the illusive man is an indoctrination attempt. I still don´t see what the problem with that is.