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[jasonxxsatanna]

I don't its bad writting I really see it as an attempt to indoctrinate Shep. . .just like Dr. Kennson and Dr. Quin believed the reapers will giving them some type of blessing , blue and green give Shep the sacrifice for the galaxy to survive. . . . Its a trick , if starkid was so caring why not ask the galaxy to join, synthesis and if synthtics will always rebel, why use the geth to aid them in there quest, why not judt come back every 50,000 yrs and destroy synthetics instead. . .destroy is the best option that wakes Shep up out of his indoctrination attempt. . . IMO

[jijeebo]

Tom Lehrer wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Tom Lehrer wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

DnVill wrote...

yet another thread about "its indoctrination or your stupid".

Given how that endings are and what it means if it's true....Yes.
What makes more sense...Indoctrination or the endings as they are.

The endings as they are makes much more sense. 

Would you like me to copy and paste my long post from before to explain?

You really said that with a straight face? Ok...explain how synthises happened? How do you combine organics with synthetics to the very dna?

Two words: Bad writing

Bingo.

I wish the IT had enough going for it to convince me otherwise, but alas, it does not.

[jasonxxsatanna]

If its not IT why would BW not just say . . ."Shepard is not indoctrinated or in the process of indoctrination". . . There are more points that lead to IT than it not being

[jijeebo]

jasonxxsatanna wrote...

If its not IT why would BW not just say . . ."Shepard is not indoctrinated or in the process of indoctrination". . . There are more points that lead to IT than it not being

Something about not having the right to tell people how to interpret the endings, since that would go against their love of speculation.

[Tom Lehrer]

jasonxxsatanna wrote...

If its not IT why would BW not just say . . ."Shepard is not indoctrinated or in the process of indoctrination". . . There are more points that lead to IT than it not being

Tom Lehrer wrote...
The free EC was a marketing move to try and save sales for MEs DLC not to give us the ending we should have gotten anyway. The reason they dont deny IT is simple marketing. Should BioWare come out and say it is false the die hard ITers will lose interest and that will hurt profits. The real goal is to keep as many people on board as they can so that when EC comes out more people download it and possibly enjoy the expansion regardless and buy other DLC.

 

[jasonxxsatanna]

^ to me that sounds more far fetch than then believing in the IT . . .
From the start of the 1st mission in ME1 indoctrination was introduced . . .even in ME2 , its such a large part of the plot and story line . . . Why would they not just say its not it, but something different or something else that would still keep ppl invested . . . If what you say is true . . .its really bad marketing

[BigGuy28]

Someone really needs to make sure the cage door on the herp derp theory thread stays locked. I'm tired of seeing them get out and vomit their silly theory all over the place like it's fact.

[Festilence]

Indoc Theory is fascinating, but I have two main problems with it:


1.  Control and Synthesis only available with a certain level of EMS.  So perhaps Control and Synthesis are supposed to be the better options because higher EMS = better development of Crucible = more (and improved?) possibilities available.  If Indoc Theory is true, higher EMS = Reaper Indoc effect is improved?!  Doesn't make sense.


2.  For Indoc Theory, choosing Control or Synthesis = Reapers win,  Choosing Destroy with good enough EMS and Readiness has Sheperd apparently alive, but what then?  Considering how much there is on the game about how Reapers are unlikely to be beaten via Conventional Warfare under any circumstances, we'd still be speculating just as much as we are now anyway, just about different things (probably less things admittedly, but still).


Just my thoughts.

Modifié par Festilence, 11 mai 2012 - 11:00 .

[Heg28]

Festilence wrote...

Indoc Theory is fascinating, but I have two main problems with it:


1.  Control and Synthesis only available with a certain level of EMS.  So perhaps Control and Synthesis are supposed to be the better options because higher EMS = better development of Crucible = more (and improved?) possibilities available.  If Indoc Theory is true, higher EMS = Reaper Indoc effect is improved?!  Doesn't make sense.


2.  For Indoc Theory, choosing Control or Synthesis = Reapers win,  Choosing Destroy with good enough EMS and Readiness has Sheperd apparently alive, but what then?  Considering how much there is on the game about how Reapers are unlikely to be beaten via Conventional Warfare under any circumstances, we'd still be speculating just as much as we are now anyway, just about different things (probably less things admittedly, but still).


Just my thoughts.

1. As far as I know you have either control or destroy when having a low EMS, depending on your choice on keeping or destroying the collectors base. I have never played with a low EMS, but what I gathered from posts on the forum, a low EMS score is resulting in very odd behavior and doesn´t make sense to me.
I think the current take of the IT is that a low EMS is not a real threat to the reapers and therefore they don´t really care and you lose anyway, hence you won´t get the Shepard alive scene. But I agree with you on that one. A more clear explanation would be that the synthesis ending is the best and can only be accquired with high enough EMS. A counter argument to that however is that you need the highest EMS (5000 if Anderson dies) to get the breathing scene on destruction.
Keeping that in mind it still seems the EMS score is an indicator against IT. If however you have a low enough EMS score, the squad you have chasing down the hill will die and you can see there bodies after the laser hit. In the end scene with the Normandy however, these guys are the first one to step out of the ship. That just can´t be possible.

2. I don´t know, I posted a vague theory before. If Shepard is still on the citadel under the rubble, and the citadel is not yet exploded, because the end cinematic was not real (only way I can explain the dead people walking) , Shepard could just fire the damn crucible and end this mess. But that are just vague speculations, please don´t nail me on details, haven´t thought that through yet I am not convinced of that either at the moment.

[jijeebo]

BigGuy28 wrote...

Someone really needs to make sure the cage door on the herp derp theory thread stays locked. I'm tired of seeing them get out and vomit their silly theory all over the place like it's fact.

This is the most brilliantly brutal post I've read all day.

Although I'd have to agree.

[Tom Lehrer]

jasonxxsatanna wrote...

^ to me that sounds more far fetch than then believing in the IT . . .
From the start of the 1st mission in ME1 indoctrination was introduced . . .even in ME2 , its such a large part of the plot and story line . . . Why would they not just say its not it, but something different or something else that would still keep ppl invested . . . If what you say is true . . .its really bad marketing

It is as I said if they say IT is wrong all the IT supporters will lose interest in the game. People dont buy DLC for games they dont have interest in. It is excellent marketing due to how simple it is. All they have to do is sit back and let the fanbase argue amougest itself rather IT is right or wrong and as long as people are arguing it means they are interested in the game.

[darthoptimus003]

how can shep be indoc
EVERY rEAper we have gotten close to we blown to hell or let a giant worm cruch like a can
so tell me HOW?
and one more thing why wasnt anyone else indoc also say like anderson hes been on earth longer
and this is why the IT doesnt make since
to many holes

[jasonxxsatanna]

darthoptimus003 wrote...

how can shep be indoc
EVERY rEAper we have gotten close to we blown to hell or let a giant worm cruch like a can
so tell me HOW?
and one more thing why wasnt anyone else indoc also say like anderson hes been on earth longer
and this is why the IT doesnt make since
to many holes

Arrival, Shep was hit by object Rho , your saying he couldn't be indoc. from it . . . .Dr. Kennson and her whole staff was. . .

[N7Gold]

Has anyone noticed how Shepard's eyes become like the Illusive Man's in the Control and Synthesis endings?

[balance5050]

N7Gold wrote...

Has anyone noticed how Shepard's eyes become like the Illusive Man's in the Control and Synthesis endings?

Yep!

 

[hoodaticus]

jijeebo wrote...

BigGuy28 wrote...

Someone really needs to make sure the cage door on the herp derp theory thread stays locked. I'm tired of seeing them get out and vomit their silly theory all over the place like it's fact.

This is the most brilliantly brutal post I've read all day.

Although I'd have to agree.

62% of people on this forum believe in IT, so I must assume the "silly theory" you refer to is the one that says the endings are true on their face.

[hoodaticus]

jasonxxsatanna wrote...

darthoptimus003 wrote...

how can shep be indoc
EVERY rEAper we have gotten close to we blown to hell or let a giant worm cruch like a can
so tell me HOW?
and one more thing why wasnt anyone else indoc also say like anderson hes been on earth longer
and this is why the IT doesnt make since
to many holes

Arrival, Shep was hit by object Rho , your saying he couldn't be indoc. from it . . . .Dr. Kennson and her whole staff was. . .

Harbinger outright told Shepard he was indoctrinating him in Arrival.  Good grief!  "Struggle if you wish; your mind will be mine."  At that point, you started hearing things.

I'm starting to think the people who believe in IT are the ones who either played the series to death or have idetic memory.  Clearly, Bioware did neither.

Modifié par hoodaticus, 12 mai 2012 - 02:04 .

[FatalX7.0]

dreman9999 wrote...

Joccaren wrote...

I don't get how people can be so stupid that they can't think of any alternatives but indoctrination to explain things.

No offence, but this is seriously getting tired.
It is POSSIBLE HEAD CANON at the moment that Shepard is indoctrinated.
It is NOT a 100% DEFINITE OMGWTFBBQ!?!#$! SHEPARD IS BEING INDOCTRINATED style thing. Indoctrination is one of many interpretations of the ending. Stop pretending its the only one. If you seriously can't think of any alternatives to any of the things presented by IT as 'Evidence', then you are sorely lacking an imagination.

The only part of your OP I will grant you is the TIM sequence, where TIM attempts to use the Reaper process of indoctrination he thinks he has reverse engineered to control Shepard and Anderson. Other than that, there are other explanations for everything in that OP.

Listen...can you explain to me how TIm control Shep's body at the end of ME3? Because that , being the core of my arguement, is the indication that Shep was in the process of indoctrination being that TIM can instatly do that with out it.
You have to be in the process of indoctriantion first for that to happen. I'm just pointing out the sign of the process of indoctrination are in the games way before that  Scene with TIM.

His biotic implants.

[Tom Lehrer]

hoodaticus wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

BigGuy28 wrote...

Someone really needs to make sure the cage door on the herp derp theory thread stays locked. I'm tired of seeing them get out and vomit their silly theory all over the place like it's fact.

This is the most brilliantly brutal post I've read all day.

Although I'd have to agree.

62% of people on this forum believe in IT, so I must assume the "silly theory" you refer to is the one that says the endings are true on their face.

Link?

Also I never did Arrival. A spec-ops team got sent in Shepards place.

[hoodaticus]

Tom Lehrer wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

BigGuy28 wrote...

Someone really needs to make sure the cage door on the herp derp theory thread stays locked. I'm tired of seeing them get out and vomit their silly theory all over the place like it's fact.

This is the most brilliantly brutal post I've read all day.

Although I'd have to agree.

62% of people on this forum believe in IT, so I must assume the "silly theory" you refer to is the one that says the endings are true on their face.

Link?

Also I never did Arrival. A spec-ops team got sent in Shepards place.

Then your experience is sub-canon.

Can't find the link, but it's a forum topic on here.  It'll pop up to the top again.  About 500 people took the survey last I checked.  It's run by a guy with a Salarian avatar - Zolt15 or something.

[FatalX7.0]

hoodaticus wrote...

Tom Lehrer wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

BigGuy28 wrote...

Someone really needs to make sure the cage door on the herp derp theory thread stays locked. I'm tired of seeing them get out and vomit their silly theory all over the place like it's fact.

This is the most brilliantly brutal post I've read all day.

Although I'd have to agree.

62% of people on this forum believe in IT, so I must assume the "silly theory" you refer to is the one that says the endings are true on their face.

Link?

Also I never did Arrival. A spec-ops team got sent in Shepards place.

Then your experience is sub-canon.

Can't find the link, but it's a forum topic on here.  It'll pop up to the top again.  About 500 people took the survey last I checked.  It's run by a guy with a Salarian avatar - Zolt15 or something.

One thing Bioware said that I can agree with, nothing is canon.

[balance5050]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Joccaren wrote...

I don't get how people can be so stupid that they can't think of any alternatives but indoctrination to explain things.

No offence, but this is seriously getting tired.
It is POSSIBLE HEAD CANON at the moment that Shepard is indoctrinated.
It is NOT a 100% DEFINITE OMGWTFBBQ!?!#$! SHEPARD IS BEING INDOCTRINATED style thing. Indoctrination is one of many interpretations of the ending. Stop pretending its the only one. If you seriously can't think of any alternatives to any of the things presented by IT as 'Evidence', then you are sorely lacking an imagination.

The only part of your OP I will grant you is the TIM sequence, where TIM attempts to use the Reaper process of indoctrination he thinks he has reverse engineered to control Shepard and Anderson. Other than that, there are other explanations for everything in that OP.

Listen...can you explain to me how TIm control Shep's body at the end of ME3? Because that , being the core of my arguement, is the indication that Shep was in the process of indoctrination being that TIM can instatly do that with out it.
You have to be in the process of indoctriantion first for that to happen. I'm just pointing out the sign of the process of indoctrination are in the games way before that  Scene with TIM.

His biotic implants.

Those biotic powers seem to be giving Shepard quite a headache!

http://www.youtube.c...N3xtUu44#t=108s


Also if it was Biotic implants why do we hear reapers growls and see that black wavy effect that is labeled "indoctrination_effect" in the files?

Modifié par balance5050, 12 mai 2012 - 02:08 .

[Blue Liara]

 Anyone see the new youtube documentry on the IT. I was very skeptical about the IT before but after seeing this I am as convinced as I can be.

This is a 1 hour and 24 minute very well done video documentary. Analyzes every aspect of the IT and makes a determination as to whether or not it is proof, somewhat proof or not proof.

Well worth watching the whole thing.

www.youtube.com/watch

[hoodaticus]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...

Tom Lehrer wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

BigGuy28 wrote...

Someone really needs to make sure the cage door on the herp derp theory thread stays locked. I'm tired of seeing them get out and vomit their silly theory all over the place like it's fact.

This is the most brilliantly brutal post I've read all day.

Although I'd have to agree.

62% of people on this forum believe in IT, so I must assume the "silly theory" you refer to is the one that says the endings are true on their face.

Link?

Also I never did Arrival. A spec-ops team got sent in Shepards place.

Then your experience is sub-canon.

Can't find the link, but it's a forum topic on here.  It'll pop up to the top again.  About 500 people took the survey last I checked.  It's run by a guy with a Salarian avatar - Zolt15 or something.

One thing Bioware said that I can agree with, nothing is canon.

If they believed that themselves, the words "artistic integrity" would not once have escaped their lips.

[KevShep]

hoodaticus wrote...

jasonxxsatanna wrote...

darthoptimus003 wrote...

how can shep be indoc
EVERY rEAper we have gotten close to we blown to hell or let a giant worm cruch like a can
so tell me HOW?
and one more thing why wasnt anyone else indoc also say like anderson hes been on earth longer
and this is why the IT doesnt make since
to many holes

Arrival, Shep was hit by object Rho , your saying he couldn't be indoc. from it . . . .Dr. Kennson and her whole staff was. . .

Harbinger outright told Shepard he was indoctrinating him in Arrival.  Good grief!  "Struggle if you wish; your mind will be mine."  At that point, you started hearing things.

I'm starting to think the people who believe in IT are the ones who either played the series to death or have idetic memory.  Clearly, Bioware did neither.

Iam posting this everywhere....Speculations!





This is a clue by BioWare!