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[Tom Lehrer]

balance5050 wrote...

Also if it was Biotic implants why do we hear reapers growls and see that black wavy effect that is labeled "indoctrination_effect" in the files?

What growls? and pics or it diddnt happen.

[FatalX7.0]

balance5050 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Joccaren wrote...

I don't get how people can be so stupid that they can't think of any alternatives but indoctrination to explain things.

No offence, but this is seriously getting tired.
It is POSSIBLE HEAD CANON at the moment that Shepard is indoctrinated.
It is NOT a 100% DEFINITE OMGWTFBBQ!?!#$! SHEPARD IS BEING INDOCTRINATED style thing. Indoctrination is one of many interpretations of the ending. Stop pretending its the only one. If you seriously can't think of any alternatives to any of the things presented by IT as 'Evidence', then you are sorely lacking an imagination.

The only part of your OP I will grant you is the TIM sequence, where TIM attempts to use the Reaper process of indoctrination he thinks he has reverse engineered to control Shepard and Anderson. Other than that, there are other explanations for everything in that OP.

Listen...can you explain to me how TIm control Shep's body at the end of ME3? Because that , being the core of my arguement, is the indication that Shep was in the process of indoctrination being that TIM can instatly do that with out it.
You have to be in the process of indoctriantion first for that to happen. I'm just pointing out the sign of the process of indoctrination are in the games way before that  Scene with TIM.

His biotic implants.

Those biotic powers seem to be giving Shepard quite a headache!

http://www.youtube.c...N3xtUu44#t=108s


Also if it was Biotic implants why do we hear reapers growls and see that black wavy effect that is labeled "indoctrination_effect" in the files?

That's what his implants were created to do.

He spent the whole game working to come up with a way to utilize Reaper indoctrination and control.

He even says it on the Citadel. "I took what I wanted from them and made it my own."

[FatalX7.0]

hoodaticus wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...

Tom Lehrer wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

BigGuy28 wrote...

Someone really needs to make sure the cage door on the herp derp theory thread stays locked. I'm tired of seeing them get out and vomit their silly theory all over the place like it's fact.

This is the most brilliantly brutal post I've read all day.

Although I'd have to agree.

62% of people on this forum believe in IT, so I must assume the "silly theory" you refer to is the one that says the endings are true on their face.

Link?

Also I never did Arrival. A spec-ops team got sent in Shepards place.

Then your experience is sub-canon.

Can't find the link, but it's a forum topic on here.  It'll pop up to the top again.  About 500 people took the survey last I checked.  It's run by a guy with a Salarian avatar - Zolt15 or something.

One thing Bioware said that I can agree with, nothing is canon.

If they believed that themselves, the words "artistic integrity" would not once have escaped their lips.

I feel that this is a little different. When they say "artistic integrity", they believe in the artistic vision of the ending. They feel that how they made the ending was good, the quality, the symbolism, whatever.

When they say, "Nothing is canon", everyone has their own story. There is no "true" story.

Modifié par FatalX7.0, 12 mai 2012 - 02:18 .

[UrgentArchengel]

You guys do know how TIM got his eyes right? I think they may be from the Reapers, but I could be way freaking off. I have yet to read Evolution.

[Mann42]

UrgentArchengel wrote...

You guys do know how TIM got his eyes right? I think they may be from the Reapers, but I could be way freaking off. I have yet to read Evolution.

Yes. He touched someone that was being quick-converted by an artifact that creates husks, in the middle of the process. It affected him, and from that point he was able to sense where the artifact was, and implies that he could even hear the murmerings of the Reapers. That's why he created Cerberus; because he knew he needed to create a massive organization to defeat them. 

Modifié par nexworks, 12 mai 2012 - 02:20 .

[balance5050]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

That's what his implants were created to do.

He spent the whole game working to come up with a way to utilize Reaper indoctrination and control.

He even says it on the Citadel. "I took what I wanted from them and made it my own."

So he was doing all that to be able to control humans? I thought he wanted to control the reapers....

Oh yeah, the reapers were already controlling him, so the reapers were actually controlling Shep THROUGH TIM.

"Ultimately, the Reaper gains the ability to use the victim's body to amplify its signal" 

http://masseffect.wi.../Indoctrination 

Modifié par balance5050, 12 mai 2012 - 02:22 .

[FatalX7.0]

balance5050 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

That's what his implants were created to do.

He spent the whole game working to come up with a way to utilize Reaper indoctrination and control.

He even says it on the Citadel. "I took what I wanted from them and made it my own."

So he was doing all that to be able to control humans? I thought he wanted to control the reapers....

Oh yeah, the reapers were already controlling him, so the reapers were actually controlling Shep THROUGH TIM.

"Ultimately, the Reaper gains the ability to use the victim's body to amplify its signal" 

http://masseffect.wi.../Indoctrination 

Why are you assuming that I don't know how indoctrination works?

I'm simply stating things from the game.

He works to utilize indoctrination and control.

There is an order for implants for TIM.

There is a video of him going into surgery.

His face is huskified like his soldiers who were experimented on.


He needs you to control the Reapers, because you are stronger than him. He needs you to believe that control is possible.

I guess.


At this point, it's still all assumptions and theory and interpretations.

Modifié par FatalX7.0, 12 mai 2012 - 02:29 .

[balance5050]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

That's what his implants were created to do.

He spent the whole game working to come up with a way to utilize Reaper indoctrination and control.

He even says it on the Citadel. "I took what I wanted from them and made it my own."

So he was doing all that to be able to control humans? I thought he wanted to control the reapers....

Oh yeah, the reapers were already controlling him, so the reapers were actually controlling Shep THROUGH TIM.

"Ultimately, the Reaper gains the ability to use the victim's body to amplify its signal" 

http://masseffect.wi.../Indoctrination 

Why are you assuming that I don't know how indoctrination works?

I'm simply stating things from the game.

He works to utilize indoctrination and control.

There is an order for implants for TIM.

There is a video of him going into surgery.

His face is huskified like his soldiers who were experimented on.


He needs you to control the Reapers, because you are stronger than him. He needs you to believe that control is possible.

I guess.


At this point, it's still all assumptions and theory and interpretations.

Just remember that every single cycle has an indoctrinated splinter group who thinks they can control the reapers. Every cycle has their own Cerberus, and by extension, every cycle has their own TIM (or some equivalent)

In the words of Neo- "It's just another form of control"
 

Modifié par balance5050, 12 mai 2012 - 02:33 .

[FatalX7.0]

balance5050 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

That's what his implants were created to do.

He spent the whole game working to come up with a way to utilize Reaper indoctrination and control.

He even says it on the Citadel. "I took what I wanted from them and made it my own."

So he was doing all that to be able to control humans? I thought he wanted to control the reapers....

Oh yeah, the reapers were already controlling him, so the reapers were actually controlling Shep THROUGH TIM.

"Ultimately, the Reaper gains the ability to use the victim's body to amplify its signal" 

http://masseffect.wi.../Indoctrination 

Why are you assuming that I don't know how indoctrination works?

I'm simply stating things from the game.

He works to utilize indoctrination and control.

There is an order for implants for TIM.

There is a video of him going into surgery.

His face is huskified like his soldiers who were experimented on.


He needs you to control the Reapers, because you are stronger than him. He needs you to believe that control is possible.

I guess.


At this point, it's still all assumptions and theory and interpretations.

Just remember that every single cycle has a splinter group who thinks they can control the reapers. Every cycle has their own Cerberus, and by extension, every cycle has their own TIM (or some equivalent)

In the words of Neo- "It's just another form of control"
 

Yes, I know, I played the game.

And it's been said on this forum so many times that it's burned into my mind.

And something like that should be expected anyway. It's trillions of people, there are bound to be people who think the same way.

Modifié par FatalX7.0, 12 mai 2012 - 02:35 .

[Tom Lehrer]

hoodaticus wrote...

I'm starting to think the people who believe in IT are the ones who either played the series to death or have idetic memory. Clearly, Bioware did neither.

I have 5 completionist ME1 saves and 7 for ME2 this includes all the DLC. I have half a dozen more with various missions done and not done to see how it would turn out in ME3 including 2 where I did not do Arrival. Those are just the ones Ive kept I had to delete a bunch of saves because I was running out of memory space. I even have the ME novels.

Yet I still dont believe in IT.

[balance5050]

Origin of reaper kill signal



Arrival DLC location

Modifié par balance5050, 12 mai 2012 - 02:38 .

[FatalX7.0]

Are those supposed to represent something? The quality is fairly...crap.

[darthoptimus003]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...

Tom Lehrer wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

BigGuy28 wrote...

Someone really needs to make sure the cage door on the herp derp theory thread stays locked. I'm tired of seeing them get out and vomit their silly theory all over the place like it's fact.

This is the most brilliantly brutal post I've read all day.

Although I'd have to agree.

62% of people on this forum believe in IT, so I must assume the "silly theory" you refer to is the one that says the endings are true on their face.

Link?

Also I never did Arrival. A spec-ops team got sent in Shepards place.

Then your experience is sub-canon.

Can't find the link, but it's a forum topic on here.  It'll pop up to the top again.  About 500 people took the survey last I checked.  It's run by a guy with a Salarian avatar - Zolt15 or something.

One thing Bioware said that I can agree with, nothing is canon.

If they believed that themselves, the words "artistic integrity" would not once have escaped their lips.

I feel that this is a little different. When they say "artistic integrity", they believe in the artistic vision of the ending. They feel that how they made the ending was good, the quality, the symbolism, whatever.

When they say, "Nothing is canon", everyone has their own story. There is no "true" story.

um there is not one poll that ive seen that the majoity thinks the IT is real
if there is a poll show it
the whole theory has more holes in it than the ending
ive asked this before and didnt get a response so ill ask agian
EVERY time we went agianst a rEAper we blown it to hell or had a giant worm crush it so how was shep indoc?
how come TIM was able to control shep and anderson
why wasnt anyone else affected
anderson was on earth a lot longer than shep and he wasnt affected so wtf?
see that was just 4 holes im questioning about this BS IT 
the whole theroy is baseless when given FACTS from the game makes the IT just poorly conceved fan fic
sorry IT belivers but it makes no since if you really think on it

[balance5050]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

Are those supposed to represent something? The quality is fairly...crap.

The reaper kill beam starts in the viper relay (The Arrival DLC) and not the Sol relay.

[KingZayd]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...

Tom Lehrer wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

BigGuy28 wrote...

Someone really needs to make sure the cage door on the herp derp theory thread stays locked. I'm tired of seeing them get out and vomit their silly theory all over the place like it's fact.

This is the most brilliantly brutal post I've read all day.

Although I'd have to agree.

62% of people on this forum believe in IT, so I must assume the "silly theory" you refer to is the one that says the endings are true on their face.

Link?

Also I never did Arrival. A spec-ops team got sent in Shepards place.

Then your experience is sub-canon.

Can't find the link, but it's a forum topic on here.  It'll pop up to the top again.  About 500 people took the survey last I checked.  It's run by a guy with a Salarian avatar - Zolt15 or something.

One thing Bioware said that I can agree with, nothing is canon.

Shepard has had his ship confiscated because of the events of Arrival, whether or not your particular Shepard did the Arrival mission. The events of Arrival are relevant.

[FatalX7.0]

darthoptimus003 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...

Tom Lehrer wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

BigGuy28 wrote...

Someone really needs to make sure the cage door on the herp derp theory thread stays locked. I'm tired of seeing them get out and vomit their silly theory all over the place like it's fact.

This is the most brilliantly brutal post I've read all day.

Although I'd have to agree.

62% of people on this forum believe in IT, so I must assume the "silly theory" you refer to is the one that says the endings are true on their face.

Link?

Also I never did Arrival. A spec-ops team got sent in Shepards place.

Then your experience is sub-canon.

Can't find the link, but it's a forum topic on here.  It'll pop up to the top again.  About 500 people took the survey last I checked.  It's run by a guy with a Salarian avatar - Zolt15 or something.

One thing Bioware said that I can agree with, nothing is canon.

If they believed that themselves, the words "artistic integrity" would not once have escaped their lips.

I feel that this is a little different. When they say "artistic integrity", they believe in the artistic vision of the ending. They feel that how they made the ending was good, the quality, the symbolism, whatever.

When they say, "Nothing is canon", everyone has their own story. There is no "true" story.

um there is not one poll that ive seen that the majoity thinks the IT is real
if there is a poll show it
the whole theory has more holes in it than the ending
ive asked this before and didnt get a response so ill ask agian
EVERY time we went agianst a rEAper we blown it to hell or had a giant worm crush it so how was shep indoc?
how come TIM was able to control shep and anderson
why wasnt anyone else affected
anderson was on earth a lot longer than shep and he wasnt affected so wtf?
see that was just 4 holes im questioning about this BS IT 
the whole theroy is baseless when given FACTS from the game makes the IT just poorly conceved fan fic
sorry IT belivers but it makes no since if you really think on it

Did you mean to quote me?

[darthoptimus003]

no sorry iphone

[KingZayd]

darthoptimus003 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...

Tom Lehrer wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

BigGuy28 wrote...

Someone really needs to make sure the cage door on the herp derp theory thread stays locked. I'm tired of seeing them get out and vomit their silly theory all over the place like it's fact.

This is the most brilliantly brutal post I've read all day.

Although I'd have to agree.

62% of people on this forum believe in IT, so I must assume the "silly theory" you refer to is the one that says the endings are true on their face.

Link?

Also I never did Arrival. A spec-ops team got sent in Shepards place.

Then your experience is sub-canon.

Can't find the link, but it's a forum topic on here.  It'll pop up to the top again.  About 500 people took the survey last I checked.  It's run by a guy with a Salarian avatar - Zolt15 or something.

One thing Bioware said that I can agree with, nothing is canon.

If they believed that themselves, the words "artistic integrity" would not once have escaped their lips.

I feel that this is a little different. When they say "artistic integrity", they believe in the artistic vision of the ending. They feel that how they made the ending was good, the quality, the symbolism, whatever.

When they say, "Nothing is canon", everyone has their own story. There is no "true" story.

um there is not one poll that ive seen that the majoity thinks the IT is real
if there is a poll show it
the whole theory has more holes in it than the ending
ive asked this before and didnt get a response so ill ask agian
EVERY time we went agianst a rEAper we blown it to hell or had a giant worm crush it so how was shep indoc?
how come TIM was able to control shep and anderson
why wasnt anyone else affected
anderson was on earth a lot longer than shep and he wasnt affected so wtf?
see that was just 4 holes im questioning about this BS IT 
the whole theroy is baseless when given FACTS from the game makes the IT just poorly conceved fan fic
sorry IT belivers but it makes no since if you really think on it

TIM was guiding Shepard along in Mass Effect 2 and he was indoctrinated. The answer lies in the degree of indoctrination.

TIM would only be able to control shepard and anderson through indoctrination. However, their minds aren't affected? it's not real.

why wasn't anyone else affected by what?

Anderson wasn't hit by Object Rho.

[FatalX7.0]

KingZayd wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...

Tom Lehrer wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

BigGuy28 wrote...

Someone really needs to make sure the cage door on the herp derp theory thread stays locked. I'm tired of seeing them get out and vomit their silly theory all over the place like it's fact.

This is the most brilliantly brutal post I've read all day.

Although I'd have to agree.

62% of people on this forum believe in IT, so I must assume the "silly theory" you refer to is the one that says the endings are true on their face.

Link?

Also I never did Arrival. A spec-ops team got sent in Shepards place.

Then your experience is sub-canon.

Can't find the link, but it's a forum topic on here.  It'll pop up to the top again.  About 500 people took the survey last I checked.  It's run by a guy with a Salarian avatar - Zolt15 or something.

One thing Bioware said that I can agree with, nothing is canon.

Shepard has had his ship confiscated because of the events of Arrival, whether or not your particular Shepard did the Arrival mission. The events of Arrival are relevant.

I could have sworn I was under house arrest for being with Cerberus because I didn't do Arrival.

And of course the events are relevant, it happened, but I had no part in it. Whatever happened had absolutely nothing to do with me.

[hoodaticus]

KevShep wrote...

Iam posting this everywhere....Speculations!





This is a clue by BioWare!

Please share your thoughts, if you have any.

If the Endings are True

I believe in IT because it is the only explanation that is logically possible.  The ending qua ending theory is excluded due to ME1 rendering it impossible for the Citadel to control the Reapers.

If the Citadel did control the Reapers, then ME1 never happened.  If ME1 never happened, then ME2 never happened, neither did ME3.  If ME3 never happened, then the ending never happened,  The ending is self-refuting. 

Mass Effect 1 Never Happened

A Citadel that controls both the Reapers and the Keepers (both of which know how to activate the Citadel and bring in the Reaper fleets instantly from darkspace) would have signaled the Keepers to bring in the Reapers on schedule, and the cycle of extinction would have ended before the beginning of ME1.  They would not have sent a lone Reaper to ally with the Geth - whom the Reapers find disgusting - and a Turian specter to try to break into the Citadel's back door - and FAIL, if they could take want they want right now with the flip of a switch.

Mass Effect 3 Never Happened

The Reapers would not have gone through the trouble of FTL'ing it at least 20,000 light years (based on codex disclosure of Reaper FTL cruising velocity and the length of time required for them to arrive) if they could teleport right now to the Citadel.

The Normandy's Construction Was Never Completed

They would have destroyed Normandy in the shipyard before she was completed.  Eden Prime was their maiden voyage, and Sovereign's alliance with the Geth and the hunt for Prothean beacons would have taken time, so much time that Sovereign probably discovered that the Reaper Citadel activation code wasn't working months or even years earlier.  If the Citadel controls the Reapers and Keepers, then the Reapers in fact invaded while Normandy was under construction - perhaps before.

No ME1 means no ME2 and no ME3.  It means the ending didn't happen. 

If the ending is true, then the ending must be false.

How Can Logically Impossible Events Seem to Occur

There are two circumstances in life - and an additional one in Mass Effect - that allow for logically impossible events to seem to occur.  A dream or a hallucination can allow that in real life.  In Mass Effect, indoctrination also produces this effect, so sayeth the codex.

If a dream (or hallucination), then what part of Mass Effect is a dream?  Well, reason with me; what parts must be a dream?  The logical impossibility is created by the conflict of the endings with Mass Effect 1 and 3 directly and Mass Effect 2 by consequence of ME1 never happening.  Ergo, there are two possibile answers to the question, "what is the minimum amount of Mass Effect that must be a dream?": either the entire series before the ending is a dream, or the ending is a dream.  It is also possible that the entirety was a dream - none of it ever happened.

The answer that preserves the greatest portion of the series as being real is the one that says only the ending was a dream.  The one that does least violence to our enjoyment is the one that says the ending is actually indoctrination.  This preserves ME1-ME3 as having actually occurred, and it preserves the entire content of the actual ending.

In the end, I choose to believe Indoctrination Theory because I prefer to believe that the rest of the series actually happened.  The 62% of us on this forum who cannot believe impossible things are why it is such a popular theory.  In addition, there is tremendous circumstantial and direct evidence for it, and I highly recommend you view the Indoctrination Documentary, which shoots down the ridiculous evidence being proferred in support of IT but finds some undeniable, such as Shepard bleeding from the hole he shot in Anderson's spleen - which is impossible (and they intentionally drew our attention to it hard-core),

Modifié par hoodaticus, 12 mai 2012 - 02:54 .

[FatalX7.0]

balance5050 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

Are those supposed to represent something? The quality is fairly...crap.

The reaper kill beam starts in the viper relay (The Arrival DLC) and not the Sol relay.

That seems more like an oversight than anything. Like the journal. And the ending feels pretty rushed in general, like how you can still fire the gun when you're on your knees and in no position to fire a gun.


That's really grasping at straws.

The ending is the way it is to cause "thought-provoking" discussion. Casey Hudson said this.

Which is a load of BS.

[Iconoclaste]

FTL is impossible. That's actual scientific fact. So why put faith in some events, and not in others? Why believe in graphic or scientific accuracy in a video game?

Modifié par Iconoclaste, 12 mai 2012 - 02:50 .

[darthoptimus003]

KingZayd wrote...

darthoptimus003 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...

Tom Lehrer wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

BigGuy28 wrote...

Someone really needs to make sure the cage door on the herp derp theory thread stays locked. I'm tired of seeing them get out and vomit their silly theory all over the place like it's fact.

This is the most brilliantly brutal post I've read all day.

Although I'd have to agree.

62% of people on this forum believe in IT, so I must assume the "silly theory" you refer to is the one that says the endings are true on their face.

Link?

Also I never did Arrival. A spec-ops team got sent in Shepards place.

Then your experience is sub-canon.

Can't find the link, but it's a forum topic on here.  It'll pop up to the top again.  About 500 people took the survey last I checked.  It's run by a guy with a Salarian avatar - Zolt15 or something.

One thing Bioware said that I can agree with, nothing is canon.

If they believed that themselves, the words "artistic integrity" would not once have escaped their lips.

I feel that this is a little different. When they say "artistic integrity", they believe in the artistic vision of the ending. They feel that how they made the ending was good, the quality, the symbolism, whatever.

When they say, "Nothing is canon", everyone has their own story. There is no "true" story.

um there is not one poll that ive seen that the majoity thinks the IT is real
if there is a poll show it
the whole theory has more holes in it than the ending
ive asked this before and didnt get a response so ill ask agian
EVERY time we went agianst a rEAper we blown it to hell or had a giant worm crush it so how was shep indoc?
how come TIM was able to control shep and anderson
why wasnt anyone else affected
anderson was on earth a lot longer than shep and he wasnt affected so wtf?
see that was just 4 holes im questioning about this BS IT 
the whole theroy is baseless when given FACTS from the game makes the IT just poorly conceved fan fic
sorry IT belivers but it makes no since if you really think on it

TIM was guiding Shepard along in Mass Effect 2 and he was indoctrinated. The answer lies in the degree of indoctrination.

TIM would only be able to control shepard and anderson through indoctrination. However, their minds aren't affected? it's not real.

why wasn't anyone else affected by what?

Anderson wasn't hit by Object Rho.

huh
how do you get TIM was indocted in me2
why wasnt anyone else affected by "this indoc"
and thats what i was getting at.    

[FatalX7.0]

Iconoclaste wrote...

FTL is impossible. That's actual scientific fact. So why put faith in some events, and not in others? Why believe in graphic or scientific accuracy in a video game?

People need to stop comparing other universes to our universe.

Modifié par FatalX7.0, 12 mai 2012 - 02:52 .

[KingZayd]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...

Tom Lehrer wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

BigGuy28 wrote...

Someone really needs to make sure the cage door on the herp derp theory thread stays locked. I'm tired of seeing them get out and vomit their silly theory all over the place like it's fact.

This is the most brilliantly brutal post I've read all day.

Although I'd have to agree.

62% of people on this forum believe in IT, so I must assume the "silly theory" you refer to is the one that says the endings are true on their face.

Link?

Also I never did Arrival. A spec-ops team got sent in Shepards place.

Then your experience is sub-canon.

Can't find the link, but it's a forum topic on here.  It'll pop up to the top again.  About 500 people took the survey last I checked.  It's run by a guy with a Salarian avatar - Zolt15 or something.

One thing Bioware said that I can agree with, nothing is canon.

Shepard has had his ship confiscated because of the events of Arrival, whether or not your particular Shepard did the Arrival mission. The events of Arrival are relevant.

I could have sworn I was under house arrest for being with Cerberus because I didn't do Arrival.

And of course the events are relevant, it happened, but I had no part in it. Whatever happened had absolutely nothing to do with me.

Really? because the Council and the Alliance already knew what i was up to throughout mass effect 2. They even restored my Spectre status. They knew I was with Cerberus. They only seem to take our ships after the events of Arrival? The point is Arrival plotlines still affect the series.

Modifié par KingZayd, 12 mai 2012 - 02:53 .