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[Iconoclaste]

balance5050 wrote...

Origin of reaper kill signal



Arrival DLC location

Those two pictures are depicting a galaxy drawn in two very different manners / angles / resolutions. We can easily see that the first picture does not have the same material between the spiral arms in the lower right corner, that there is in the second picture. What does this prove? Simply that those pictures should not be used for the purpose of locating event in the way IT proposes it.

Modifié par Iconoclaste, 12 mai 2012 - 02:55 .

[KingZayd]

[quote]darthoptimus003 wrote...

[quote]KingZayd wrote...

[quote]darthoptimus003 wrote...

[quote]FatalX7.0 wrote...

[quote]hoodaticus wrote...

[quote]FatalX7.0 wrote...

[quote]hoodaticus wrote...

[quote]Tom Lehrer wrote...

[quote]hoodaticus wrote...

[quote]jijeebo wrote...

[quote]BigGuy28 wrote...

Someone really needs to make sure the cage door on the herp derp theory thread stays locked. I'm tired of seeing them get out and vomit their silly theory all over the place like it's fact.[/quote]

This is the most brilliantly brutal post I've read all day.

Although I'd have to agree.



[/quote]62% of people on this forum believe in IT, so I must assume the "silly theory" you refer to is the one that says the endings are true on their face.
[/quote]

Link?

Also I never did Arrival. A spec-ops team got sent in Shepards place.

[/quote]Then your experience is sub-canon.

Can't find the link, but it's a forum topic on here.  It'll pop up to the top again.  About 500 people took the survey last I checked.  It's run by a guy with a Salarian avatar - Zolt15 or something.

[/quote]

One thing Bioware said that I can agree with, nothing is canon.

[/quote]If they believed that themselves, the words "artistic integrity" would not once have escaped their lips.
[/quote]

I feel that this is a little different. When they say "artistic integrity", they believe in the artistic vision of the ending. They feel that how they made the ending was good, the quality, the symbolism, whatever.

When they say, "Nothing is canon", everyone has their own story. There is no "true" story.

[/quote]
um there is not one poll that ive seen that the majoity thinks the IT is real
if there is a poll show it
the whole theory has more holes in it than the ending
ive asked this before and didnt get a response so ill ask agian
EVERY time we went agianst a rEAper we blown it to hell or had a giant worm crush it so how was shep indoc?
how come TIM was able to control shep and anderson
why wasnt anyone else affected
anderson was on earth a lot longer than shep and he wasnt affected so wtf?
see that was just 4 holes im questioning about this BS IT 
the whole theroy is baseless when given FACTS from the game makes the IT just poorly conceved fan fic
sorry IT belivers but it makes no since if you really think on it
[/quote]

TIM was guiding Shepard along in Mass Effect 2 and he was indoctrinated. The answer lies in the degree of indoctrination.

TIM would only be able to control shepard and anderson through indoctrination. However, their minds aren't affected? it's not real.

why wasn't anyone else affected by what?

Anderson wasn't hit by Object Rho.

[/quote]
huh
how do you get TIM was indocted in me2
why wasnt anyone else affected by "this indoc"
and thats what i was getting at.    [/quote]

He was indoctrinated from Shanxi, in Mass Effect: Evolution, long before the events of mass effect 2.

Shepard was the only one in his squad hit by Object Rho.

[Tom Lehrer]

KingZayd wrote...

Really? because the Council and the Alliance already knew what i was up to throughout mass effect 2. They even restored my Spectre status. They knew I was with Cerberus. They only seem to take our ships after the events of Arrival? The point is Arrival plotlines still affect the series.

In my playthrough where I did not do Arrival I was told Shepard was put under house arrest for working for 
Cerberus. They said nothing about the events of Arrival in the opening.

[balance5050]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

Are those supposed to represent something? The quality is fairly...crap.

The reaper kill beam starts in the viper relay (The Arrival DLC) and not the Sol relay.

That seems more like an oversight than anything. Like the journal. And the ending feels pretty rushed in general, like how you can still fire the gun when you're on your knees and in no position to fire a gun.


That's really grasping at straws.

The ending is the way it is to cause "thought-provoking" discussion. Casey Hudson said this.

Which is a load of BS.

He also said this:

"As things progress in the high-level storyline, we’re constantly trying to do redirects. You think you win the war by doing one thing, and then you realize it’s something else."

"What we’re doing with Mass Effect 3 that’s a little bit different than what we’ve done before is exploring the idea of getting the player to understand and feel what Commander Shepard is experiencing versus just reacting to other characters." 

"We end up exploring some spaces that maybe have never been done before. Because interactive storytelling is still kind of new, there are neat things to try. One of the things we’re trying in Mass Effect 3 is the idea that we can let you feel something that is part of that character’s experience versus strictly getting you to react to things that you see and experience. We’re trying to tell a little bit of the story Shepard would feel and seeing if the player feels that as well. You saw that on the Earth mission, and you see it throughout the game. It’s insight into how Shepard feels. I think that’s going to be one of the things people remember."

[darthoptimus003]

if you never played arrival
the events still occure and is the plot of the begining of me3
its set up that even if you didnt play it you played
well thats my understanding of it

[balance5050]

It's interesting how the nay-sayers in here right now haven't played "The Arrival", it's almost like that DLC changed our perspective of the ending.

The Arrival was released when they were already in production for ME3.

Modifié par balance5050, 12 mai 2012 - 02:59 .

[FatalX7.0]

That's definitely something that people remember. A player disconnect and character contradiction that is forced down our throats.

He also said we would get answers.

And then said that we don't need answers.

[FatalX7.0]

balance5050 wrote...

It's interesting how the nay-sayers in here right now haven't played "The Arrival", it's almost like that DLC changed our perspective of the ending.

The Arrival was released when they were already in production for ME3.

I didn't buy it because a lot of people thought it was crap.

I watched it all on YouTube and saw that I wasn't missing out on much, so I didn't bother wasting my money.

[Iconoclaste]

balance5050 wrote...

He also said this:

"As things progress in the high-level storyline, we’re constantly trying to do redirects. You think you win the war by doing one thing, and then you realize it’s something else."

"What we’re doing with Mass Effect 3 that’s a little bit different than what we’ve done before is exploring the idea of getting the player to understand and feel what Commander Shepard is experiencing versus just reacting to other characters." 

"We end up exploring some spaces that maybe have never been done before. Because interactive storytelling is still kind of new, there are neat things to try. One of the things we’re trying in Mass Effect 3 is the idea that we can let you feel something that is part of that character’s experience versus strictly getting you to react to things that you see and experience. We’re trying to tell a little bit of the story Shepard would feel and seeing if the player feels that as well. You saw that on the Earth mission, and you see it throughout the game. It’s insight into how Shepard feels. I think that’s going to be one of the things people remember."

That was the intent of the dreams, among other things. But since IT only make focus on irrational thoughts and random events hardly related from one play set to the other, IT obviously just goes past the more sound reason for the dreams, being simply a depiction of Shepard's feelings regarding the toll taken on him by stress and emotion. These are normal reactions, which IT just overlooks in order to jump the fence into magic Reaper Power land.

[KingZayd]

Tom Lehrer wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Really? because the Council and the Alliance already knew what i was up to throughout mass effect 2. They even restored my Spectre status. They knew I was with Cerberus. They only seem to take our ships after the events of Arrival? The point is Arrival plotlines still affect the series.

In my playthrough where I did not do Arrival I was told Shepard was put under house arrest for working for 
Cerberus. They said nothing about the events of Arrival in the opening.

yes, but the only reason they have you start without your ship in the game is because of Arrival. People who didn't do Arrival are just given another reason for being in the same position. The point is, it's Arrival's story that brought that plot point.

[balance5050]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

It's interesting how the nay-sayers in here right now haven't played "The Arrival", it's almost like that DLC changed our perspective of the ending.

The Arrival was released when they were already in production for ME3.

I didn't buy it because a lot of people thought it was crap.

I watched it all on YouTube and saw that I wasn't missing out on much, so I didn't bother wasting my money.

Second best DLC IMO....

[zambot]

darthoptimus003 wrote...

if you never played arrival
the events still occure and is the plot of the begining of me3
its set up that even if you didnt play it you played
well thats my understanding of it

Yep, that was a huge point of confusion in my ME3 playthrough.  One day I'm walking through the Citadel, then some guy pulls a gun on me because I blew up his solar system.  I was like...what?  No I didn't, but clearly my Shep thought I did.  Later I found out this was because of some DLC I didn't play.  

Modifié par zambot, 12 mai 2012 - 03:03 .

[darthoptimus003]

[quote]KingZayd wrote...

[quote]darthoptimus003 wrote...

[quote]KingZayd wrote...

[quote]darthoptimus003 wrote...

[quote]FatalX7.0 wrote...

[quote]hoodaticus wrote...

[quote]FatalX7.0 wrote...

[quote]hoodaticus wrote...

[quote]Tom Lehrer wrote...

[quote]hoodaticus wrote...

[quote]jijeebo wrote...

[quote]BigGuy28 wrote...

Someone really needs to make sure the cage door on the herp derp theory thread stays locked. I'm tired of seeing them get out and vomit their silly theory all over the place like it's fact.[/quote]

This is the most brilliantly brutal post I've read all day.

Although I'd have to agree.



[/quote]62% of people on this forum believe in IT, so I must assume the "silly theory" you refer to is the one that says the endings are true on their face.
[/quote]

Link?

Also I never did Arrival. A spec-ops team got sent in Shepards place.

[/quote]Then your experience is sub-canon.

Can't find the link, but it's a forum topic on here.  It'll pop up to the top again.  About 500 people took the survey last I checked.  It's run by a guy with a Salarian avatar - Zolt15 or something.

[/quote]

One thing Bioware said that I can agree with, nothing is canon.

[/quote]If they believed that themselves, the words "artistic integrity" would not once have escaped their lips.
[/quote]

I feel that this is a little different. When they say "artistic integrity", they believe in the artistic vision of the ending. They feel that how they made the ending was good, the quality, the symbolism, whatever.

When they say, "Nothing is canon", everyone has their own story. There is no "true" story.

[/quote]
um there is not one poll that ive seen that the majoity thinks the IT is real
if there is a poll show it
the whole theory has more holes in it than the ending
ive asked this before and didnt get a response so ill ask agian
EVERY time we went agianst a rEAper we blown it to hell or had a giant worm crush it so how was shep indoc?
how come TIM was able to control shep and anderson
why wasnt anyone else affected
anderson was on earth a lot longer than shep and he wasnt affected so wtf?
see that was just 4 holes im questioning about this BS IT 
the whole theroy is baseless when given FACTS from the game makes the IT just poorly conceved fan fic
sorry IT belivers but it makes no since if you really think on it
[/quote]

TIM was guiding Shepard along in Mass Effect 2 and he was indoctrinated. The answer lies in the degree of indoctrination.

TIM would only be able to control shepard and anderson through indoctrination. However, their minds aren't affected? it's not real.

why wasn't anyone else affected by what?

Anderson wasn't hit by Object Rho.

[/quote]
huh
how do you get TIM was indocted in me2
why wasnt anyone else affected by "this indoc"
and thats what i was getting at.    [/quote]

He was indoctrinated from Shanxi, in Mass Effect: Evolution, long before the events of mass effect 2.

Shepard was the only one in his squad hit by Object Rho.

[/quote]
is that from the books cause if so whoever wrote it didnt play me2 cause TIM was trying to stop collectors who work for rEApers "i might add" and it still begs to ask the question if he was indoc in the events of me2 why did he spend all that time mony and resorses to stop them if he worked for them
think about that alittle and you will see my problem

[hoodaticus]

balance5050 wrote...

It's interesting how the nay-sayers in here right now haven't played "The Arrival", it's almost like that DLC changed our perspective of the ending.

The Arrival was released when they were already in production for ME3.

This.  And my point in saying that not doing Arrival is sub-canon is because such a person has less information than the rest of us.  So while their story may be sorta canon, it is an incomplete canon compared to ours.

[darthoptimus003]

balance5050 wrote...

It's interesting how the nay-sayers in here right now haven't played "The Arrival", it's almost like that DLC changed our perspective of the ending.

The Arrival was released when they were already in production for ME3.

i played arrival and i think the IT is crap but thats just me

[KingZayd]

[quote]darthoptimus003 wrote...

[quote]KingZayd wrote...

[quote]darthoptimus003 wrote...

[quote]KingZayd wrote...

[quote]darthoptimus003 wrote...

[quote]FatalX7.0 wrote...

[quote]hoodaticus wrote...

[quote]FatalX7.0 wrote...

[quote]hoodaticus wrote...

[quote]Tom Lehrer wrote...

[quote]hoodaticus wrote...

[quote]jijeebo wrote...

[quote]BigGuy28 wrote...

Someone really needs to make sure the cage door on the herp derp theory thread stays locked. I'm tired of seeing them get out and vomit their silly theory all over the place like it's fact.[/quote]

This is the most brilliantly brutal post I've read all day.

Although I'd have to agree.



[/quote]62% of people on this forum believe in IT, so I must assume the "silly theory" you refer to is the one that says the endings are true on their face.
[/quote]

Link?

Also I never did Arrival. A spec-ops team got sent in Shepards place.

[/quote]Then your experience is sub-canon.

Can't find the link, but it's a forum topic on here.  It'll pop up to the top again.  About 500 people took the survey last I checked.  It's run by a guy with a Salarian avatar - Zolt15 or something.

[/quote]

One thing Bioware said that I can agree with, nothing is canon.

[/quote]If they believed that themselves, the words "artistic integrity" would not once have escaped their lips.
[/quote]

I feel that this is a little different. When they say "artistic integrity", they believe in the artistic vision of the ending. They feel that how they made the ending was good, the quality, the symbolism, whatever.

When they say, "Nothing is canon", everyone has their own story. There is no "true" story.

[/quote]
um there is not one poll that ive seen that the majoity thinks the IT is real
if there is a poll show it
the whole theory has more holes in it than the ending
ive asked this before and didnt get a response so ill ask agian
EVERY time we went agianst a rEAper we blown it to hell or had a giant worm crush it so how was shep indoc?
how come TIM was able to control shep and anderson
why wasnt anyone else affected
anderson was on earth a lot longer than shep and he wasnt affected so wtf?
see that was just 4 holes im questioning about this BS IT 
the whole theroy is baseless when given FACTS from the game makes the IT just poorly conceved fan fic
sorry IT belivers but it makes no since if you really think on it
[/quote]

TIM was guiding Shepard along in Mass Effect 2 and he was indoctrinated. The answer lies in the degree of indoctrination.

TIM would only be able to control shepard and anderson through indoctrination. However, their minds aren't affected? it's not real.

why wasn't anyone else affected by what?

Anderson wasn't hit by Object Rho.

[/quote]
huh
how do you get TIM was indocted in me2
why wasnt anyone else affected by "this indoc"
and thats what i was getting at.    [/quote]

He was indoctrinated from Shanxi, in Mass Effect: Evolution, long before the events of mass effect 2.

Shepard was the only one in his squad hit by Object Rho.

[/quote]
is that from the books cause if so whoever wrote it didnt play me2 cause TIM was trying to stop collectors who work for rEApers "i might add" and it still begs to ask the question if he was indoc in the events of me2 why did he spend all that time mony and resorses to stop them if he worked for them
think about that alittle and you will see my problem [/quote]

yes, and it fits. Indoctrination is a slow process. Just because the process had started doesn't mean TIM had lost control. He has been resisting it all this time.

[FatalX7.0]

Iconoclaste wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

He also said this:

"As things progress in the high-level storyline, we’re constantly trying to do redirects. You think you win the war by doing one thing, and then you realize it’s something else."

"What we’re doing with Mass Effect 3 that’s a little bit different than what we’ve done before is exploring the idea of getting the player to understand and feel what Commander Shepard is experiencing versus just reacting to other characters." 

"We end up exploring some spaces that maybe have never been done before. Because interactive storytelling is still kind of new, there are neat things to try. One of the things we’re trying in Mass Effect 3 is the idea that we can let you feel something that is part of that character’s experience versus strictly getting you to react to things that you see and experience. We’re trying to tell a little bit of the story Shepard would feel and seeing if the player feels that as well. You saw that on the Earth mission, and you see it throughout the game. It’s insight into how Shepard feels. I think that’s going to be one of the things people remember."

That was the intent of the dreams, among other things. But since IT only make focus on irrational thoughts and random events hardly related from one play set to the other, IT obviously just goes past the more sound reason for the dreams, being simply a depiction of Shepard's feelings regarding the toll taken on him by stress and emotion. These are normal reactions, which IT just overlooks in order to jump the fence into magic Reaper Power land.

I always feel that people analyze the dreams far too much.

They represent the loss over the course of the games. You can hear your squadmates calling your name, the ghostly figures increase over time to represent the rising the death toll and the kid...the kid is just really forced.

There is no way my Shepard would be so devastated by the death of a random child. Bioware tried way too hard to force an emotional reaction from the player, and the Catalyst being an image of the kid? *shakes head*

[hoodaticus]

darthoptimus003 wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

He was indoctrinated from Shanxi, in Mass Effect: Evolution, long before the events of mass effect 2.

Shepard was the only one in his squad hit by Object Rho.

is that from the books cause if so whoever wrote it didnt play me2 cause TIM was trying to stop collectors who work for rEApers "i might add" and it still begs to ask the question if he was indoc in the events of me2 why did he spend all that time mony and resorses to stop them if he worked for them
think about that alittle and you will see my problem

Long term indoc doesn't give total control, because total control kills in a matter of days - thus sayeth the Codex.

You can try to believe he wasn't indoctrinated, but the eyes are the window to the soul.

Modifié par hoodaticus, 12 mai 2012 - 03:09 .

[balance5050]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

It's interesting how the nay-sayers in here right now haven't played "The Arrival", it's almost like that DLC changed our perspective of the ending.

The Arrival was released when they were already in production for ME3.

I didn't buy it because a lot of people thought it was crap.

I watched it all on YouTube and saw that I wasn't missing out on much, so I didn't bother wasting my money.

And there's where more perspective comes in

*My* Shepard did every single mission he could, *my* Shepard was the one that halted the reapers further by making the tough call in the Viper Nebula, *my* Shepard didn't let a whole platoon of soldiers take my place, *my* shepard was fighting indoctrination for the entire time after my contact with a reaper artifact, and *my* Shepard will most likely wake up to finish the fight in the "extended" scene, or subsequent DLC.
 

[FatalX7.0]

hoodaticus wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

It's interesting how the nay-sayers in here right now haven't played "The Arrival", it's almost like that DLC changed our perspective of the ending.

The Arrival was released when they were already in production for ME3.

This.  And my point in saying that not doing Arrival is sub-canon is because such a person has less information than the rest of us.  So while their story may be sorta canon, it is an incomplete canon compared to ours.

Less information? How so?

[darthoptimus003]

[quote]KingZayd wrote...

[quote]darthoptimus003 wrote...

[quote]KingZayd wrote...

[quote]darthoptimus003 wrote...

[quote]KingZayd wrote...

[quote]darthoptimus003 wrote...

[quote]FatalX7.0 wrote...

[quote]hoodaticus wrote...

[quote]FatalX7.0 wrote...

[quote]hoodaticus wrote...

[quote]Tom Lehrer wrote...

[quote]hoodaticus wrote...

[quote]jijeebo wrote...

[quote]BigGuy28 wrote...

Someone really needs to make sure the cage door on the herp derp theory thread stays locked. I'm tired of seeing them get out and vomit their silly theory all over the place like it's fact.[/quote]

This is the most brilliantly brutal post I've read all day.

Although I'd have to agree.



[/quote]62% of people on this forum believe in IT, so I must assume the "silly theory" you refer to is the one that says the endings are true on their face.
[/quote]

Link?

Also I never did Arrival. A spec-ops team got sent in Shepards place.

[/quote]Then your experience is sub-canon.

Can't find the link, but it's a forum topic on here.  It'll pop up to the top again.  About 500 people took the survey last I checked.  It's run by a guy with a Salarian avatar - Zolt15 or something.

[/quote]

One thing Bioware said that I can agree with, nothing is canon.

[/quote]If they believed that themselves, the words "artistic integrity" would not once have escaped their lips.
[/quote]

I feel that this is a little different. When they say "artistic integrity", they believe in the artistic vision of the ending. They feel that how they made the ending was good, the quality, the symbolism, whatever.

When they say, "Nothing is canon", everyone has their own story. There is no "true" story.

[/quote]
um there is not one poll that ive seen that the majoity thinks the IT is real
if there is a poll show it
the whole theory has more holes in it than the ending
ive asked this before and didnt get a response so ill ask agian
EVERY time we went agianst a rEAper we blown it to hell or had a giant worm crush it so how was shep indoc?
how come TIM was able to control shep and anderson
why wasnt anyone else affected
anderson was on earth a lot longer than shep and he wasnt affected so wtf?
see that was just 4 holes im questioning about this BS IT 
the whole theroy is baseless when given FACTS from the game makes the IT just poorly conceved fan fic
sorry IT belivers but it makes no since if you really think on it
[/quote]

TIM was guiding Shepard along in Mass Effect 2 and he was indoctrinated. The answer lies in the degree of indoctrination.

TIM would only be able to control shepard and anderson through indoctrination. However, their minds aren't affected? it's not real.

why wasn't anyone else affected by what?

Anderson wasn't hit by Object Rho.

[/quote]
huh
how do you get TIM was indocted in me2
why wasnt anyone else affected by "this indoc"
and thats what i was getting at.    [/quote]

He was indoctrinated from Shanxi, in Mass Effect: Evolution, long before the events of mass effect 2.

Shepard was the only one in his squad hit by Object Rho.

[/quote]
is that from the books cause if so whoever wrote it didnt play me2 cause TIM was trying to stop collectors who work for rEApers "i might add" and it still begs to ask the question if he was indoc in the events of me2 why did he spend all that time mony and resorses to stop them if he worked for them
think about that alittle and you will see my problem [/quote]

yes, and it fits. Indoctrination is a slow process. Just because the process had started doesn't mean TIM had lost control. He has been resisting it all this time.

[/quote]
please tell me you are kidding that makes no since at all
thanks for the laugh i needed it after the crapy ass ending we have

[FatalX7.0]

balance5050 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

It's interesting how the nay-sayers in here right now haven't played "The Arrival", it's almost like that DLC changed our perspective of the ending.

The Arrival was released when they were already in production for ME3.

I didn't buy it because a lot of people thought it was crap.

I watched it all on YouTube and saw that I wasn't missing out on much, so I didn't bother wasting my money.

And there's where more perspective comes in

*My* Shepard did every single mission he could, *my* Shepard was the one that halted the reapers further by making the tough call in the Viper Nebula, *my* Shepard didn't let a whole platoon of soldiers take my place, *my* shepard was fighting indoctrination for the entire time after my contact with a reaper artifact, and *my* Shepard will most likely wake up to finish the fight in the "extended" scene, or subsequent DLC.
 

Oh, so your Shepard is the right Shepard and my Shepard is wrong?

I see.

[FatalX7.0]

Chill out with the quotes up there.

[hoodaticus]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

It's interesting how the nay-sayers in here right now haven't played "The Arrival", it's almost like that DLC changed our perspective of the ending.

The Arrival was released when they were already in production for ME3.

This.  And my point in saying that not doing Arrival is sub-canon is because such a person has less information than the rest of us.  So while their story may be sorta canon, it is an incomplete canon compared to ours.

Less information? How so?

Well you see, DLC's are stored on a hard disk, which contains data, also known as information.

[zambot]

Saying that by not playing arrival somehow makes you not qualified to judge IT is perhaps the worst pro-IT argument I've ever heard. Good luck with that one.