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It's interesting how the nay-sayers in here right now haven't played "The Arrival", it's almost like that DLC changed our perspective of the ending.

The Arrival was released when they were already in production for ME3.

This.  And my point in saying that not doing Arrival is sub-canon is because such a person has less information than the rest of us.  So while their story may be sorta canon, it is an incomplete canon compared to ours.


Less information? How so?

Well you see, DLC's are stored on a hard disk, which contains data, also known as information.


Are you going to come up with a real answer, or make another bad joke?

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And there's where more perspective comes in

*My* Shepard did every single mission he could, *my* Shepard was the one that halted the reapers further by making the tough call in the Viper Nebula, *my* Shepard didn't let a whole platoon of soldiers take my place, *my* shepard was fighting indoctrination for the entire time after my contact with a reaper artifact, and *my* Shepard will most likely wake up to finish the fight in the "extended" scene, or subsequent DLC.

So, we would enjoy watching cutscenes of the real fight, railroading us to the real ending? People are going to get mad, don't you think?

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balance5050 wrote...

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It's interesting how the nay-sayers in here right now haven't played "The Arrival", it's almost like that DLC changed our perspective of the ending.

The Arrival was released when they were already in production for ME3.


I didn't buy it because a lot of people thought it was crap.

I watched it all on YouTube and saw that I wasn't missing out on much, so I didn't bother wasting my money.


And there's where more perspective comes in

*My* Shepard did every single mission he could, *my* Shepard was the one that halted the reapers further by making the tough call in the Viper Nebula, *my* Shepard didn't let a whole platoon of soldiers take my place, *my* shepard was fighting indoctrination for the entire time after my contact with a reaper artifact, and *my* Shepard will most likely wake up to finish the fight in the "extended" scene, or subsequent DLC.
 


Oh, so your Shepard is the right Shepard and my Shepard is wrong?

I see.


Not wrong, just didn't do as much as mine did.

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It's interesting how the nay-sayers in here right now haven't played "The Arrival", it's almost like that DLC changed our perspective of the ending.

The Arrival was released when they were already in production for ME3.


I didn't buy it because a lot of people thought it was crap.

I watched it all on YouTube and saw that I wasn't missing out on much, so I didn't bother wasting my money.


And there's where more perspective comes in

*My* Shepard did every single mission he could, *my* Shepard was the one that halted the reapers further by making the tough call in the Viper Nebula, *my* Shepard didn't let a whole platoon of soldiers take my place, *my* shepard was fighting indoctrination for the entire time after my contact with a reaper artifact, and *my* Shepard will most likely wake up to finish the fight in the "extended" scene, or subsequent DLC.
 


Oh, so your Shepard is the right Shepard and my Shepard is wrong?

I see.

No, but his Shepard is more complete.  He's done more than yours.  Your experience can be mathematically expressed as a fraction of his.

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still wondering who came up with this theroy

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balance5050 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

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It's interesting how the nay-sayers in here right now haven't played "The Arrival", it's almost like that DLC changed our perspective of the ending.

The Arrival was released when they were already in production for ME3.


I didn't buy it because a lot of people thought it was crap.

I watched it all on YouTube and saw that I wasn't missing out on much, so I didn't bother wasting my money.


And there's where more perspective comes in

*My* Shepard did every single mission he could, *my* Shepard was the one that halted the reapers further by making the tough call in the Viper Nebula, *my* Shepard didn't let a whole platoon of soldiers take my place, *my* shepard was fighting indoctrination for the entire time after my contact with a reaper artifact, and *my* Shepard will most likely wake up to finish the fight in the "extended" scene, or subsequent DLC.
 


Oh, so your Shepard is the right Shepard and my Shepard is wrong?

I see.


Not wrong, just didn't do as much as mine did.


No, it looks like my Shepard is wrong.

I didn't do as much, so I don't get to play anymore.

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It's interesting how the nay-sayers in here right now haven't played "The Arrival", it's almost like that DLC changed our perspective of the ending.

The Arrival was released when they were already in production for ME3.

This.  And my point in saying that not doing Arrival is sub-canon is because such a person has less information than the rest of us.  So while their story may be sorta canon, it is an incomplete canon compared to ours.


Less information? How so?

Well you see, DLC's are stored on a hard disk, which contains data, also known as information.


Are you going to come up with a real answer, or make another bad joke?

What he means is Arrival dictates a portion of the stories plot development.

He may be infering that Arrival brings some form of answer to a question posed at the end of the game ...... but I don't know if he is or not.

Either way from what I read the point he is trying to make should be reconsidered because Arrival doesn't give us any relevant information as to Shepards status at the end of the game. If Shepard was indoctrinated or the process had begun the VI on the Asari homeworld would have noticed it.

The only way IDT applies is if it's rapid indoctrination. Which is plausible given Shepard has stopped the Reapers in the final hour twice now. So even though he may be half dead he still posses a threat.

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hoodaticus wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

It's interesting how the nay-sayers in here right now haven't played "The Arrival", it's almost like that DLC changed our perspective of the ending.

The Arrival was released when they were already in production for ME3.


I didn't buy it because a lot of people thought it was crap.

I watched it all on YouTube and saw that I wasn't missing out on much, so I didn't bother wasting my money.


And there's where more perspective comes in

*My* Shepard did every single mission he could, *my* Shepard was the one that halted the reapers further by making the tough call in the Viper Nebula, *my* Shepard didn't let a whole platoon of soldiers take my place, *my* shepard was fighting indoctrination for the entire time after my contact with a reaper artifact, and *my* Shepard will most likely wake up to finish the fight in the "extended" scene, or subsequent DLC.
 


Oh, so your Shepard is the right Shepard and my Shepard is wrong?

I see.

No, but his Shepard is more complete.  He's done more than yours.  Your experience can be mathematically expressed as a fraction of his.

That is not true. Many players didn't even play the first two games. Do you think Bioware would just reserve a "special treatment" for previous owners, and let down newcomers?

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[quote]BigGuy28 wrote...

Someone really needs to make sure the cage door on the herp derp theory thread stays locked. I'm tired of seeing them get out and vomit their silly theory all over the place like it's fact.[/quote]

This is the most brilliantly brutal post I've read all day. :lol:

Although I'd have to agree.



[/quote]62% of people on this forum believe in IT, so I must assume the "silly theory" you refer to is the one that says the endings are true on their face.
[/quote]

Link?

Also I never did Arrival. A spec-ops team got sent in Shepards place.

[/quote]Then your experience is sub-canon.

Can't find the link, but it's a forum topic on here.  It'll pop up to the top again.  About 500 people took the survey last I checked.  It's run by a guy with a Salarian avatar - Zolt15 or something.

[/quote]

One thing Bioware said that I can agree with, nothing is canon.

[/quote]If they believed that themselves, the words "artistic integrity" would not once have escaped their lips.
[/quote]

I feel that this is a little different. When they say "artistic integrity", they believe in the artistic vision of the ending. They feel that how they made the ending was good, the quality, the symbolism, whatever.

When they say, "Nothing is canon", everyone has their own story. There is no "true" story.

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um there is not one poll that ive seen that the majoity thinks the IT is real
if there is a poll show it
the whole theory has more holes in it than the ending
ive asked this before and didnt get a response so ill ask agian
EVERY time we went agianst a rEAper we blown it to hell or had a giant worm crush it so how was shep indoc?
how come TIM was able to control shep and anderson
why wasnt anyone else affected
anderson was on earth a lot longer than shep and he wasnt affected so wtf?
see that was just 4 holes im questioning about this BS IT 
the whole theroy is baseless when given FACTS from the game makes the IT just poorly conceved fan fic
sorry IT belivers but it makes no since if you really think on it
[/quote]

TIM was guiding Shepard along in Mass Effect 2 and he was indoctrinated. The answer lies in the degree of indoctrination.

TIM would only be able to control shepard and anderson through indoctrination. However, their minds aren't affected? it's not real.

why wasn't anyone else affected by what?

Anderson wasn't hit by Object Rho.

[/quote]
huh
how do you get TIM was indocted in me2
why wasnt anyone else affected by "this indoc"
and thats what i was getting at.    [/quote]

He was indoctrinated from Shanxi, in Mass Effect: Evolution, long before the events of mass effect 2.

Shepard was the only one in his squad hit by Object Rho.

[/quote]
is that from the books cause if so whoever wrote it didnt play me2 cause TIM was trying to stop collectors who work for rEApers "i might add" and it still begs to ask the question if he was indoc in the events of me2 why did he spend all that time mony and resorses to stop them if he worked for them
think about that alittle and you will see my problem [/quote]

yes, and it fits. Indoctrination is a slow process. Just because the process had started doesn't mean TIM had lost control. He has been resisting it all this time.

[/quote]
please tell me you are kidding that makes no since at all
thanks for the laugh i needed it after the crapy ass ending we have[/quote]

Remember how Saren was indoctrinated? And then after we spoke to him he began to have doubts? and then Sovereign had him implanted, and then he was loyal again (more indoctrinated). There are varying degrees of indoctrination.

Fact: TIM was indoctrinated by a reaper artifact on Shanxi during the contact war.
Fact: TIM was still able to help us during Mass Effect 2 despite said indoctrination.
Fact: In Arrival, Shepard gets hits by a similar artifact, which has indoctrinated everyone else it has hit.

I'm not kidding, but hey if it made you laugh good for you. It would be better if you could understand though.

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And there's where more perspective comes in

*My* Shepard did every single mission he could, *my* Shepard was the one that halted the reapers further by making the tough call in the Viper Nebula, *my* Shepard didn't let a whole platoon of soldiers take my place, *my* shepard was fighting indoctrination for the entire time after my contact with a reaper artifact, and *my* Shepard will most likely wake up to finish the fight in the "extended" scene, or subsequent DLC.

So, we would enjoy watching cutscenes of the real fight, railroading us to the real ending? People are going to get mad, don't you think?


No, it will add variation depending on "previous" choices, yeah the "only ending" would be destroying the reapers or at least Harbinger, but it will show footage of  the after amth of all the desicions you made. Tali's house on Rannoch perhaps, the rammifications of curing or not curing the Krogan, etc

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FatalX7.0 wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

It's interesting how the nay-sayers in here right now haven't played "The Arrival", it's almost like that DLC changed our perspective of the ending.

The Arrival was released when they were already in production for ME3.

This.  And my point in saying that not doing Arrival is sub-canon is because such a person has less information than the rest of us.  So while their story may be sorta canon, it is an incomplete canon compared to ours.


Less information? How so?

Well you see, DLC's are stored on a hard disk, which contains data, also known as information.


Are you going to come up with a real answer, or make another bad joke?

That wasn't a joke.  The size of the data on the DLC is highly correlated with the amount of experience it generates for the player, and experience is information.  Forgive me for thinking this was intuitively obvious.  By day, I'm a software architect.

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Iconoclaste wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

It's interesting how the nay-sayers in here right now haven't played "The Arrival", it's almost like that DLC changed our perspective of the ending.

The Arrival was released when they were already in production for ME3.


I didn't buy it because a lot of people thought it was crap.

I watched it all on YouTube and saw that I wasn't missing out on much, so I didn't bother wasting my money.


And there's where more perspective comes in

*My* Shepard did every single mission he could, *my* Shepard was the one that halted the reapers further by making the tough call in the Viper Nebula, *my* Shepard didn't let a whole platoon of soldiers take my place, *my* shepard was fighting indoctrination for the entire time after my contact with a reaper artifact, and *my* Shepard will most likely wake up to finish the fight in the "extended" scene, or subsequent DLC.
 


Oh, so your Shepard is the right Shepard and my Shepard is wrong?

I see.

No, but his Shepard is more complete.  He's done more than yours.  Your experience can be mathematically expressed as a fraction of his.

That is not true. Many players didn't even play the first two games. Do you think Bioware would just reserve a "special treatment" for previous owners, and let down newcomers?


Yes, we gave them more money.

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Opsrbest wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

It's interesting how the nay-sayers in here right now haven't played "The Arrival", it's almost like that DLC changed our perspective of the ending.

The Arrival was released when they were already in production for ME3.

This.  And my point in saying that not doing Arrival is sub-canon is because such a person has less information than the rest of us.  So while their story may be sorta canon, it is an incomplete canon compared to ours.


Less information? How so?

Well you see, DLC's are stored on a hard disk, which contains data, also known as information.


Are you going to come up with a real answer, or make another bad joke?

What he means is Arrival dictates a portion of the stories plot development.

He may be infering that Arrival brings some form of answer to a question posed at the end of the game ...... but I don't know if he is or not.

Either way from what I read the point he is trying to make should be reconsidered because Arrival doesn't give us any relevant information as to Shepards status at the end of the game.


I wish I knew what he was trying to say.

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hoodaticus wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

It's interesting how the nay-sayers in here right now haven't played "The Arrival", it's almost like that DLC changed our perspective of the ending.

The Arrival was released when they were already in production for ME3.

This.  And my point in saying that not doing Arrival is sub-canon is because such a person has less information than the rest of us.  So while their story may be sorta canon, it is an incomplete canon compared to ours.


Less information? How so?

Well you see, DLC's are stored on a hard disk, which contains data, also known as information.


Are you going to come up with a real answer, or make another bad joke?

That wasn't a joke.  The size of the data on the DLC is highly correlated with the amount of experience it generates for the player, and experience is information.  Forgive me for thinking this was intuitively obvious.  By day, I'm a software architect.


So, you talk about canon and story, and then a smart-ass response about data.

And then you try and tie it in with your smart-ass response to justify your bad joke.

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FatalX7.0 wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...

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It's interesting how the nay-sayers in here right now haven't played "The Arrival", it's almost like that DLC changed our perspective of the ending.

The Arrival was released when they were already in production for ME3.

This.  And my point in saying that not doing Arrival is sub-canon is because such a person has less information than the rest of us.  So while their story may be sorta canon, it is an incomplete canon compared to ours.


Less information? How so?

Well you see, DLC's are stored on a hard disk, which contains data, also known as information.


Are you going to come up with a real answer, or make another bad joke?

What he means is Arrival dictates a portion of the stories plot development.

He may be infering that Arrival brings some form of answer to a question posed at the end of the game ...... but I don't know if he is or not.

Either way from what I read the point he is trying to make should be reconsidered because Arrival doesn't give us any relevant information as to Shepards status at the end of the game.


I wish I knew what he was trying to say.

Speculations for everyone right?

Also I added some stuff to the post you quoted. :o

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FatalX7.0 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

It's interesting how the nay-sayers in here right now haven't played "The Arrival", it's almost like that DLC changed our perspective of the ending.

The Arrival was released when they were already in production for ME3.


I didn't buy it because a lot of people thought it was crap.

I watched it all on YouTube and saw that I wasn't missing out on much, so I didn't bother wasting my money.


And there's where more perspective comes in

*My* Shepard did every single mission he could, *my* Shepard was the one that halted the reapers further by making the tough call in the Viper Nebula, *my* Shepard didn't let a whole platoon of soldiers take my place, *my* shepard was fighting indoctrination for the entire time after my contact with a reaper artifact, and *my* Shepard will most likely wake up to finish the fight in the "extended" scene, or subsequent DLC.
 


Oh, so your Shepard is the right Shepard and my Shepard is wrong?

I see.


Not wrong, just didn't do as much as mine did.


No, it looks like my Shepard is wrong.

I didn't do as much, so I don't get to play anymore.


You are already accepting the endings as is, Shepard dies in all 3 endings. But you want to play more? How would this work without IT?

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So, players who did play the whole series are "entitled" to have the "truth" revealed to them, but newcomers will simply get spoon-fed a cutscene end battle, with no connection to what they would have learned in ME3 only? That is not realistic.

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Iconoclaste wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

It's interesting how the nay-sayers in here right now haven't played "The Arrival", it's almost like that DLC changed our perspective of the ending.

The Arrival was released when they were already in production for ME3.


I didn't buy it because a lot of people thought it was crap.

I watched it all on YouTube and saw that I wasn't missing out on much, so I didn't bother wasting my money.


And there's where more perspective comes in

*My* Shepard did every single mission he could, *my* Shepard was the one that halted the reapers further by making the tough call in the Viper Nebula, *my* Shepard didn't let a whole platoon of soldiers take my place, *my* shepard was fighting indoctrination for the entire time after my contact with a reaper artifact, and *my* Shepard will most likely wake up to finish the fight in the "extended" scene, or subsequent DLC.
 


Oh, so your Shepard is the right Shepard and my Shepard is wrong?

I see.

No, but his Shepard is more complete.  He's done more than yours.  Your experience can be mathematically expressed as a fraction of his.

That is not true. Many players didn't even play the first two games. Do you think Bioware would just reserve a "special treatment" for previous owners, and let down newcomers?

You have the right to believe that math cannot describe a person whose experience is limited to part 3 as a fraction of those who played the entire series and all DLC, just as you have the right to disbelieve in math itself.  I won't stop you.

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FatalX7.0 wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

It's interesting how the nay-sayers in here right now haven't played "The Arrival", it's almost like that DLC changed our perspective of the ending.

The Arrival was released when they were already in production for ME3.

This.  And my point in saying that not doing Arrival is sub-canon is because such a person has less information than the rest of us.  So while their story may be sorta canon, it is an incomplete canon compared to ours.


Less information? How so?

Well you see, DLC's are stored on a hard disk, which contains data, also known as information.


Are you going to come up with a real answer, or make another bad joke?

That wasn't a joke.  The size of the data on the DLC is highly correlated with the amount of experience it generates for the player, and experience is information.  Forgive me for thinking this was intuitively obvious.  By day, I'm a software architect.


So, you talk about canon and story, and then a smart-ass response about data.




Our Shepard has more information then yours, more data, what's hard to understand about that?

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[quote]hoodaticus wrote...

[quote]Tom Lehrer wrote...

[quote]hoodaticus wrote...

[quote]jijeebo wrote...

[quote]BigGuy28 wrote...

Someone really needs to make sure the cage door on the herp derp theory thread stays locked. I'm tired of seeing them get out and vomit their silly theory all over the place like it's fact.[/quote]

This is the most brilliantly brutal post I've read all day. :lol:

Although I'd have to agree.



[/quote]62% of people on this forum believe in IT, so I must assume the "silly theory" you refer to is the one that says the endings are true on their face.
[/quote]

Link?

Also I never did Arrival. A spec-ops team got sent in Shepards place.

[/quote]Then your experience is sub-canon.

Can't find the link, but it's a forum topic on here.  It'll pop up to the top again.  About 500 people took the survey last I checked.  It's run by a guy with a Salarian avatar - Zolt15 or something.

[/quote]

One thing Bioware said that I can agree with, nothing is canon.

[/quote]If they believed that themselves, the words "artistic integrity" would not once have escaped their lips.
[/quote]

I feel that this is a little different. When they say "artistic integrity", they believe in the artistic vision of the ending. They feel that how they made the ending was good, the quality, the symbolism, whatever.

When they say, "Nothing is canon", everyone has their own story. There is no "true" story.

[/quote]
um there is not one poll that ive seen that the majoity thinks the IT is real
if there is a poll show it
the whole theory has more holes in it than the ending
ive asked this before and didnt get a response so ill ask agian
EVERY time we went agianst a rEAper we blown it to hell or had a giant worm crush it so how was shep indoc?
how come TIM was able to control shep and anderson
why wasnt anyone else affected
anderson was on earth a lot longer than shep and he wasnt affected so wtf?
see that was just 4 holes im questioning about this BS IT 
the whole theroy is baseless when given FACTS from the game makes the IT just poorly conceved fan fic
sorry IT belivers but it makes no since if you really think on it
[/quote]

TIM was guiding Shepard along in Mass Effect 2 and he was indoctrinated. The answer lies in the degree of indoctrination.

TIM would only be able to control shepard and anderson through indoctrination. However, their minds aren't affected? it's not real.

why wasn't anyone else affected by what?

Anderson wasn't hit by Object Rho.

[/quote]
huh
how do you get TIM was indocted in me2
why wasnt anyone else affected by "this indoc"
and thats what i was getting at.    [/quote]

He was indoctrinated from Shanxi, in Mass Effect: Evolution, long before the events of mass effect 2.

Shepard was the only one in his squad hit by Object Rho.

[/quote]
is that from the books cause if so whoever wrote it didnt play me2 cause TIM was trying to stop collectors who work for rEApers "i might add" and it still begs to ask the question if he was indoc in the events of me2 why did he spend all that time mony and resorses to stop them if he worked for them
think about that alittle and you will see my problem [/quote]

yes, and it fits. Indoctrination is a slow process. Just because the process had started doesn't mean TIM had lost control. He has been resisting it all this time.

[/quote]
please tell me you are kidding that makes no since at all
thanks for the laugh i needed it after the crapy ass ending we have[/quote]

Remember how Saren was indoctrinated? And then after we spoke to him he began to have doubts? and then Sovereign had him implanted, and then he was loyal again (more indoctrinated). There are varying degrees of indoctrination.

Fact: TIM was indoctrinated by a reaper artifact on Shanxi during the contact war.
Fact: TIM was still able to help us during Mass Effect 2 despite said indoctrination.
Fact: In Arrival, Shepard gets hits by a similar artifact, which has indoctrinated everyone else it has hit.

I'm not kidding, but hey if it made you laugh good for you. It would be better if you could understand though.



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ill give you that but IT still has alot of holes in some of the things in it

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balance5050 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

It's interesting how the nay-sayers in here right now haven't played "The Arrival", it's almost like that DLC changed our perspective of the ending.

The Arrival was released when they were already in production for ME3.


I didn't buy it because a lot of people thought it was crap.

I watched it all on YouTube and saw that I wasn't missing out on much, so I didn't bother wasting my money.


And there's where more perspective comes in

*My* Shepard did every single mission he could, *my* Shepard was the one that halted the reapers further by making the tough call in the Viper Nebula, *my* Shepard didn't let a whole platoon of soldiers take my place, *my* shepard was fighting indoctrination for the entire time after my contact with a reaper artifact, and *my* Shepard will most likely wake up to finish the fight in the "extended" scene, or subsequent DLC.
 


Oh, so your Shepard is the right Shepard and my Shepard is wrong?

I see.


Not wrong, just didn't do as much as mine did.


No, it looks like my Shepard is wrong.

I didn't do as much, so I don't get to play anymore.


You are already accepting the endings as is, Shepard dies in all 3 endings. But you want to play more? How would this work without IT?


When did I ever say this? Because I didn't play a crappy DLC?

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FatalX7.0 wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

It's interesting how the nay-sayers in here right now haven't played "The Arrival", it's almost like that DLC changed our perspective of the ending.

The Arrival was released when they were already in production for ME3.

This.  And my point in saying that not doing Arrival is sub-canon is because such a person has less information than the rest of us.  So while their story may be sorta canon, it is an incomplete canon compared to ours.


Less information? How so?

Well you see, DLC's are stored on a hard disk, which contains data, also known as information.


Are you going to come up with a real answer, or make another bad joke?

That wasn't a joke.  The size of the data on the DLC is highly correlated with the amount of experience it generates for the player, and experience is information.  Forgive me for thinking this was intuitively obvious.  By day, I'm a software architect.


So, you talk about canon and story, and then a smart-ass response about data.

And then you try and tie it in with your smart-ass response to justify your bad joke.

Irrationality will get you nowhere.

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So, players who did play the whole series are "entitled" to have the "truth" revealed to them, but newcomers will simply get spoon-fed a cutscene end battle, with no connection to what they would have learned in ME3 only? That is not realistic.


I'm not sure where he's going with this, but I hope what he meant is: The DLC, the comics and of course the games all have relevant background information to the story. If you ignore some of it, then you're going to miss a good chunk.

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balance5050 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

It's interesting how the nay-sayers in here right now haven't played "The Arrival", it's almost like that DLC changed our perspective of the ending.

The Arrival was released when they were already in production for ME3.

This.  And my point in saying that not doing Arrival is sub-canon is because such a person has less information than the rest of us.  So while their story may be sorta canon, it is an incomplete canon compared to ours.


Less information? How so?

Well you see, DLC's are stored on a hard disk, which contains data, also known as information.


Are you going to come up with a real answer, or make another bad joke?

That wasn't a joke.  The size of the data on the DLC is highly correlated with the amount of experience it generates for the player, and experience is information.  Forgive me for thinking this was intuitively obvious.  By day, I'm a software architect.


So, you talk about canon and story, and then a smart-ass response about data.




Our Shepard has more information then yours, more data, what's hard to understand about that?


Why do you keep making so many assumptions about me?

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hoodaticus wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

It's interesting how the nay-sayers in here right now haven't played "The Arrival", it's almost like that DLC changed our perspective of the ending.

The Arrival was released when they were already in production for ME3.

This.  And my point in saying that not doing Arrival is sub-canon is because such a person has less information than the rest of us.  So while their story may be sorta canon, it is an incomplete canon compared to ours.


Less information? How so?

Well you see, DLC's are stored on a hard disk, which contains data, also known as information.


Are you going to come up with a real answer, or make another bad joke?

That wasn't a joke.  The size of the data on the DLC is highly correlated with the amount of experience it generates for the player, and experience is information.  Forgive me for thinking this was intuitively obvious.  By day, I'm a software architect.


So, you talk about canon and story, and then a smart-ass response about data.

And then you try and tie it in with your smart-ass response to justify your bad joke.

Irrationality will get you nowhere.


Uh-huh.