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So no one sees that indoctrination is happening to Shepard even if we take the plot as it is?


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The quote pyramids are getting redonkulous.

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and only long term exposure to a rEAper artifact does anything not short term
thats in a codex by the by

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You are already accepting the endings as is, Shepard dies in all 3 endings. But you want to play more? How would this work without IT?


When did I ever say this? Because I didn't play a crappy DLC?



So you don't believe the endings at face value? Sorry I just thought you had an opinion. 

Modifié par balance5050, 12 mai 2012 - 03:23 .


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You have the right to believe that math cannot describe a person whose experience is limited to part 3 as a fraction of those who played the entire series and all DLC, just as you have the right to disbelieve in math itself.  I won't stop you.

I believe some players can understand that you are trying to sound brighter because you played other games, but that has nothing to do with math if you can't get the simple meaning of events, and resort to fanfic to tie ends together.

Modifié par Iconoclaste, 12 mai 2012 - 03:24 .


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darthoptimus003 wrote...

ill give you that but IT still has alot of holes in some of the things in it


which holes? (bear in mind there isn't just 1 indoctrination theory anymore)

Edit: eliminated quote pyramid.

Modifié par KingZayd, 12 mai 2012 - 03:25 .


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balance5050 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...


You are already accepting the endings as is, Shepard dies in all 3 endings. But you want to play more? How would this work without IT?


When did I ever say this? Because I didn't play a crappy DLC?



So you don't believe the endings at face value? Sorry I just thought you had an opinion. 




Now you're assuming what I believe?


I don't like the ending. I don't believe them to be something else like you do.

Bad writing by an arrogant producer who ripped off Deus Ex.

Modifié par FatalX7.0, 12 mai 2012 - 03:25 .


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darthoptimus003 wrote...

and only long term exposure to a rEAper artifact does anything not short term
thats in a codex by the by

It's not short term, It's 3 years of on and off contact.

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Why do you keep making so many assumptions about me?


Not you, your character, keep up please.

Modifié par balance5050, 12 mai 2012 - 03:29 .


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with you saying that just proves the IT theory is wrong

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balance5050 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...


Why do you keep making so many assumptions about me?


Not you, your chacter, keep up please.


My chacter?

What, Shepard?

So, my Shepard doesn't believe the endings at face value?

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Iconoclaste wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...

You have the right to believe that math cannot describe a person whose experience is limited to part 3 as a fraction of those who played the entire series and all DLC, just as you have the right to disbelieve in math itself.  I won't stop you.

I believe some players can understand that you are trying to sound brighter because you played other games

It's adorable that you think I have to try.  Sounds like projection to me.

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FatalX7.0 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...


You are already accepting the endings as is, Shepard dies in all 3 endings. But you want to play more? How would this work without IT?


When did I ever say this? Because I didn't play a crappy DLC?



So you don't believe the endings at face value? Sorry I just thought you had an opinion. 




Now you're assuming what I believe?


I don't like the ending. I don't believe them to be something else like you do.

Bad writing by an arrogant producer who ripped off Deus Ex.

Isn't this topic about taking the ending as face value?

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darthoptimus003 wrote...

with you saying that just proves the IT theory is wrong


with who saying what?

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balance5050 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...


Why do you keep making so many assumptions about me?


Not you, your chacter, keep up please.

Isn't that like telling a guy in crutches to hussle?

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dreman9999 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...


You are already accepting the endings as is, Shepard dies in all 3 endings. But you want to play more? How would this work without IT?


When did I ever say this? Because I didn't play a crappy DLC?



So you don't believe the endings at face value? Sorry I just thought you had an opinion. 




Now you're assuming what I believe?


I don't like the ending. I don't believe them to be something else like you do.

Bad writing by an arrogant producer who ripped off Deus Ex.

Isn't this topic about taking the ending as face value?


What point are you trying to make?

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dreman9999 wrote...

darthoptimus003 wrote...

and only long term exposure to a rEAper artifact does anything not short term
thats in a codex by the by

It's not short term, It's 3 years of on and off contact.

If you believew that Shepard has been slowly prepared for indoc through 3 games, and finally succombs to it, then explain how he could exit from indoc for the "final fight" without a severe state of mental injury.

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darthoptimus003 wrote...

with you saying that just proves the IT theory is wrong

There 3 versions of IT. Hallusonation, dream, and what this topic is taking about.
Ironicly, being open to one version open up to all versions as well.

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KingZayd wrote...

darthoptimus003 wrote...

ill give you that but IT still has alot of holes in some of the things in it


which holes? (bear in mind there isn't just 1 indoctrination theory anymore)

Edit: eliminated quote pyramid.

this

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hoodaticus wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...


Why do you keep making so many assumptions about me?


Not you, your chacter, keep up please.

Isn't that like telling a guy in crutches to hussle?


:D

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dreman9999 wrote...

darthoptimus003 wrote...

with you saying that just proves the IT theory is wrong

There 3 versions of IT. Hallusonation, dream, and what this topic is taking about.
Ironicly, being open to one version open up to all versions as well.

and this is why a new ending is needed
and another reason i stop playing when i hit the TIM base

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Iconoclaste wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

darthoptimus003 wrote...

and only long term exposure to a rEAper artifact does anything not short term
thats in a codex by the by

It's not short term, It's 3 years of on and off contact.

If you believew that Shepard has been slowly prepared for indoc through 3 games, and finally succombs to it, then explain how he could exit from indoc for the "final fight" without a severe state of mental injury.

That mental injury only comes up onec he is fully indoctrinated...That's if he let the reapers indoctrinated him.(Control, Synthesis). Shepard is not indoctrinated yet, he is still in the process of it in the theory. He can resist still easilly.

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hoodaticus wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...

You have the right to believe that math cannot describe a person whose experience is limited to part 3 as a fraction of those who played the entire series and all DLC, just as you have the right to disbelieve in math itself.  I won't stop you.

I believe some players can understand that you are trying to sound brighter because you played other games

It's adorable that you think I have to try.  Sounds like projection to me.

You just can't accept the endings we all have, and try to get some comfort in making your own endings. Nothing bad about that. But if you think players need maths to understand the meaning of bad writing, then you just missed a whole lot more than others.

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darthoptimus003 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

darthoptimus003 wrote...

with you saying that just proves the IT theory is wrong

There 3 versions of IT. Hallusonation, dream, and what this topic is taking about.
Ironicly, being open to one version open up to all versions as well.

and this is why a new ending is needed
and another reason i stop playing when i hit the TIM base

A new ending is only need if the ending makes no sense...IT makes the ending make sense. Think of it like the final question of Inception.

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balance5050 wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...


Why do you keep making so many assumptions about me?


Not you, your chacter, keep up please.

Isn't that like telling a guy in crutches to hussle?


:D


Is there a reason you haven't answered or responded to half of my posts to you?

Do you only wish to try and insult me, while you cling to plotholes and bull****?

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FatalX7.0 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...


You are already accepting the endings as is, Shepard dies in all 3 endings. But you want to play more? How would this work without IT?


When did I ever say this? Because I didn't play a crappy DLC?



So you don't believe the endings at face value? Sorry I just thought you had an opinion. 




Now you're assuming what I believe?


I don't like the ending. I don't believe them to be something else like you do.

Bad writing by an arrogant producer who ripped off Deus Ex.

Isn't this topic about taking the ending as face value?


What point are you trying to make?


That even at face value TIM is using a form of indoctrination on you, TIM was studying indoctrantion not biotics.