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[hoodaticus]

dreman9999 wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

darthoptimus003 wrote...

and only long term exposure to a rEAper artifact does anything not short term
thats in a codex by the by

It's not short term, It's 3 years of on and off contact.

If you believew that Shepard has been slowly prepared for indoc through 3 games, and finally succombs to it, then explain how he could exit from indoc for the "final fight" without a severe state of mental injury.

That mental injury only comes up onec he is fully indoctrinated...That's if he let the reapers indoctrinated him.(Control, Synthesis). Shepard is not indoctrinated yet, he is still in the process of it in the theory. He can resist still easilly.

I don't have personal knowledge, but someone said the codex said (hearsay) that the victim has to accept indoctrination for it to become complete.

[KingZayd]

darthoptimus003 wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

darthoptimus003 wrote...

ill give you that but IT still has alot of holes in some of the things in it

which holes? (bear in mind there isn't just 1 indoctrination theory anymore)

Edit: eliminated quote pyramid.

this

Because there are multiple interpretations? There are many more different interpretations of the face value endings. By that logic i have proved the face value endings wrong x100 at least

Modifié par KingZayd, 12 mai 2012 - 03:32 .

[dreman9999]

Iconoclaste wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...

You have the right to believe that math cannot describe a person whose experience is limited to part 3 as a fraction of those who played the entire series and all DLC, just as you have the right to disbelieve in math itself.  I won't stop you.

I believe some players can understand that you are trying to sound brighter because you played other games

It's adorable that you think I have to try.  Sounds like projection to me.

You just can't accept the endings we all have, and try to get some comfort in making your own endings. Nothing bad about that. But if you think players need maths to understand the meaning of bad writing, then you just missed a whole lot more than others.

Do you realize this topic is about taking the ending as face value?

[Iconoclaste]

dreman9999 wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

darthoptimus003 wrote...

and only long term exposure to a rEAper artifact does anything not short term
thats in a codex by the by

It's not short term, It's 3 years of on and off contact.

If you believew that Shepard has been slowly prepared for indoc through 3 games, and finally succombs to it, then explain how he could exit from indoc for the "final fight" without a severe state of mental injury.

That mental injury only comes up onec he is fully indoctrinated...That's if he let the reapers indoctrinated him.(Control, Synthesis). Shepard is not indoctrinated yet, he is still in the process of it in the theory. He can resist still easilly.

You're making that up right now. Refer to game content and CODEX. That is just not possible, and no one would have gotten that far into an indoctrination process to simply "wake up" uninjured.

[darthoptimus003]

dreman9999 wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

darthoptimus003 wrote...

and only long term exposure to a rEAper artifact does anything not short term
thats in a codex by the by

It's not short term, It's 3 years of on and off contact.

If you believew that Shepard has been slowly prepared for indoc through 3 games, and finally succombs to it, then explain how he could exit from indoc for the "final fight" without a severe state of mental injury.

That mental injury only comes up onec he is fully indoctrinated...That's if he let the reapers indoctrinated him.(Control, Synthesis). Shepard is not indoctrinated yet, he is still in the process of it in the theory. He can resist still easilly.

do i really need to ask how that happens
think about what u just said

[balance5050]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...


Why do you keep making so many assumptions about me?

Not you, your chacter, keep up please.

Isn't that like telling a guy in crutches to hussle?

Is there a reason you haven't answered or responded to half of my posts to you?

Do you only wish to try and insult me, while you cling to plotholes and bull****?

You're the one who goes into a thread and bashes the people who perceive the ending the way the OP is stating, and you persist onstaying even though you seem to disagree with OP..... You don't have to beleive it, but clearly thousands do so.....

Modifié par balance5050, 12 mai 2012 - 03:34 .

[FatalX7.0]

balance5050 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...


You are already accepting the endings as is, Shepard dies in all 3 endings. But you want to play more? How would this work without IT?

When did I ever say this? Because I didn't play a crappy DLC?

So you don't believe the endings at face value? Sorry I just thought you had an opinion. 

Now you're assuming what I believe?


I don't like the ending. I don't believe them to be something else like you do.

Bad writing by an arrogant producer who ripped off Deus Ex.

Isn't this topic about taking the ending as face value?

What point are you trying to make?

That even at face value TIM is using a form of indoctrination on you, TIM was studying indoctrantion not biotics.

So, now you're half-agreeing with what I stated a few pages back?

His implants utilize biotics, which gives him the physical hold over Shepard and Anderson. You can see the modified glow when he forces Shepard to shoot Anderson.

[dreman9999]

hoodaticus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

darthoptimus003 wrote...

and only long term exposure to a rEAper artifact does anything not short term
thats in a codex by the by

It's not short term, It's 3 years of on and off contact.

If you believew that Shepard has been slowly prepared for indoc through 3 games, and finally succombs to it, then explain how he could exit from indoc for the "final fight" without a severe state of mental injury.

That mental injury only comes up onec he is fully indoctrinated...That's if he let the reapers indoctrinated him.(Control, Synthesis). Shepard is not indoctrinated yet, he is still in the process of it in the theory. He can resist still easilly.

I don't have personal knowledge, but someone said the codex said (hearsay) that the victim has to accept indoctrination for it to become complete.

Not really, It can be forced, but that takes longer and the person's will has to be broken to be fully effective and happen faster.

[darthoptimus003]

Iconoclaste wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

darthoptimus003 wrote...

and only long term exposure to a rEAper artifact does anything not short term
thats in a codex by the by

It's not short term, It's 3 years of on and off contact.

If you believew that Shepard has been slowly prepared for indoc through 3 games, and finally succombs to it, then explain how he could exit from indoc for the "final fight" without a severe state of mental injury.

That mental injury only comes up onec he is fully indoctrinated...That's if he let the reapers indoctrinated him.(Control, Synthesis). Shepard is not indoctrinated yet, he is still in the process of it in the theory. He can resist still easilly.

You're making that up right now. Refer to game content and CODEX. That is just not possible, and no one would have gotten that far into an indoctrination process to simply "wake up" uninjured.

took the words right out of my head you arnt a rEAper r u

[FatalX7.0]

balance5050 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...


Why do you keep making so many assumptions about me?

Not you, your chacter, keep up please.

Isn't that like telling a guy in crutches to hussle?

Is there a reason you haven't answered or responded to half of my posts to you?

Do you only wish to try and insult me, while you cling to plotholes and bull****?

You're the one who goes into a thread and bashes the people who perceive the ending the way the OP is stating, and you persist onstaying even though you seem to disagree with OP..... You don't have to beleive it, but clearly thousands do so.....

My first post in this thread was about TIM's implants and other little parts from the game.

I never bashed anyone's point of view, until you responded to me, quite sarcastically.

Modifié par FatalX7.0, 12 mai 2012 - 03:36 .

[balance5050]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...


You are already accepting the endings as is, Shepard dies in all 3 endings. But you want to play more? How would this work without IT?

When did I ever say this? Because I didn't play a crappy DLC?

So you don't believe the endings at face value? Sorry I just thought you had an opinion. 

Now you're assuming what I believe?


I don't like the ending. I don't believe them to be something else like you do.

Bad writing by an arrogant producer who ripped off Deus Ex.

Isn't this topic about taking the ending as face value?

What point are you trying to make?

That even at face value TIM is using a form of indoctrination on you, TIM was studying indoctrantion not biotics.

So, now you're half-agreeing with what I stated a few pages back?

His implants utilize biotics, which gives him the physical hold over Shepard and Anderson. You can see the modified glow when he forces Shepard to shoot Anderson.

It's never said that Biotics are involved during sanctuary, I hear "indoctrination, husks, nanides, etc" are you just making things up to fit your perception of the ending? There is no proof he's using biotics besides a tiny purple glow, I'll stick with audiologs, and actual dialogue.

[Iconoclaste]

balance5050 wrote...

You're the one who goes into a thread and bashes the people who perceive the ending the way the OP is stating, and you persist onstaying even though you seem to disagree with OP..... You don't have to beleive it, but clearly thousands do so.....

I only see the usual handful of IT supporters trying to promote it on any thread available, under all kinds of subterfuges ranging from "strange noises" to "bad textures" = "must be IT, or I don't get it".

[dreman9999]

darthoptimus003 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

darthoptimus003 wrote...

and only long term exposure to a rEAper artifact does anything not short term
thats in a codex by the by

It's not short term, It's 3 years of on and off contact.

If you believew that Shepard has been slowly prepared for indoc through 3 games, and finally succombs to it, then explain how he could exit from indoc for the "final fight" without a severe state of mental injury.

That mental injury only comes up onec he is fully indoctrinated...That's if he let the reapers indoctrinated him.(Control, Synthesis). Shepard is not indoctrinated yet, he is still in the process of it in the theory. He can resist still easilly.

do i really need to ask how that happens
think about what u just said

How the indoctrination started or how Shepard let the reapers indoctrinate him? Because both those questions are awnsered in the opening comment and through out this topic. Do I have to say, "3 years of contact with reaper tech, Husk,reapers, andindoctrinated agents" again?

[darthoptimus003]

dreman9999 wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

darthoptimus003 wrote...

and only long term exposure to a rEAper artifact does anything not short term
thats in a codex by the by

It's not short term, It's 3 years of on and off contact.

If you believew that Shepard has been slowly prepared for indoc through 3 games, and finally succombs to it, then explain how he could exit from indoc for the "final fight" without a severe state of mental injury.

That mental injury only comes up onec he is fully indoctrinated...That's if he let the reapers indoctrinated him.(Control, Synthesis). Shepard is not indoctrinated yet, he is still in the process of it in the theory. He can resist still easilly.

I don't have personal knowledge, but someone said the codex said (hearsay) that the victim has to accept indoctrination for it to become complete.

Not really, It can be forced, but that takes longer and the person's will has to be broken to be fully effective and happen faster.

um their will has to be broken?
were does it say that

[hoodaticus]

dreman9999 wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

darthoptimus003 wrote...

and only long term exposure to a rEAper artifact does anything not short term
thats in a codex by the by

It's not short term, It's 3 years of on and off contact.

If you believew that Shepard has been slowly prepared for indoc through 3 games, and finally succombs to it, then explain how he could exit from indoc for the "final fight" without a severe state of mental injury.

That mental injury only comes up onec he is fully indoctrinated...That's if he let the reapers indoctrinated him.(Control, Synthesis). Shepard is not indoctrinated yet, he is still in the process of it in the theory. He can resist still easilly.

I don't have personal knowledge, but someone said the codex said (hearsay) that the victim has to accept indoctrination for it to become complete.

Not really, It can be forced, but that takes longer and the person's will has to be broken to be fully effective and happen faster.

Thanks, dreman9999! 

See, that's why hearsay is inadmissible in court to prove the truth of the matter asserted (usually).  It's super-unreliable.

[KingZayd]

Iconoclaste wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

darthoptimus003 wrote...

and only long term exposure to a rEAper artifact does anything not short term
thats in a codex by the by

It's not short term, It's 3 years of on and off contact.

If you believew that Shepard has been slowly prepared for indoc through 3 games, and finally succombs to it, then explain how he could exit from indoc for the "final fight" without a severe state of mental injury.

That mental injury only comes up onec he is fully indoctrinated...That's if he let the reapers indoctrinated him.(Control, Synthesis). Shepard is not indoctrinated yet, he is still in the process of it in the theory. He can resist still easilly.

You're making that up right now. Refer to game content and CODEX. That is just not possible, and no one would have gotten that far into an indoctrination process to simply "wake up" uninjured.

Really? people can't wake up from indoctrination dreams? The people on the derelict reaper did a few times. As did the people in Arrival before they eventually lost control. For Shepard it's a little trickier, since as we can see in the best destroy ending, (s)he's not in good shape having been blasted by a reaper laser.

[Iconoclaste]

balance5050 wrote...

It's never said that Biotics are involved during sanctuary, I hear "indoctrination, husks, nanides, etc" are you just making things up to fit your perception of the ending? There is no proof he's using biotics besides a tiny purple glow, I'll stick with audiologs, and actual dialogue.

That's more like a "big round glowing fist" to make it clear to the players he's not just playing a "mind trick" there.

[KingZayd]

balance5050 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...


You are already accepting the endings as is, Shepard dies in all 3 endings. But you want to play more? How would this work without IT?

When did I ever say this? Because I didn't play a crappy DLC?

So you don't believe the endings at face value? Sorry I just thought you had an opinion. 

Now you're assuming what I believe?


I don't like the ending. I don't believe them to be something else like you do.

Bad writing by an arrogant producer who ripped off Deus Ex.

Isn't this topic about taking the ending as face value?

What point are you trying to make?

That even at face value TIM is using a form of indoctrination on you, TIM was studying indoctrantion not biotics.

So, now you're half-agreeing with what I stated a few pages back?

His implants utilize biotics, which gives him the physical hold over Shepard and Anderson. You can see the modified glow when he forces Shepard to shoot Anderson.

It's never said that Biotics are involved during sanctuary, I hear "indoctrination, husks, nanides, etc" are you just making things up to fit your perception of the ending? There is no proof he's using biotics besides a tiny purple glow, I'll stick with audiologs, and actual dialogue.

It can't be biotics. TIM wasn't exposed to element zero in-utero.

[hoodaticus]

Iconoclaste wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

You're the one who goes into a thread and bashes the people who perceive the ending the way the OP is stating, and you persist onstaying even though you seem to disagree with OP..... You don't have to beleive it, but clearly thousands do so.....

I only see the usual handful of IT supporters trying to promote it on any thread available, under all kinds of subterfuges ranging from "strange noises" to "bad textures" = "must be IT, or I don't get it".

Yes, that is annoying.  There is a strong case to be made for IT, such that the weaker cases give me an actual  headache as well.

[balance5050]

darthoptimus003 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

darthoptimus003 wrote...

and only long term exposure to a rEAper artifact does anything not short term
thats in a codex by the by

It's not short term, It's 3 years of on and off contact.

If you believew that Shepard has been slowly prepared for indoc through 3 games, and finally succombs to it, then explain how he could exit from indoc for the "final fight" without a severe state of mental injury.

That mental injury only comes up onec he is fully indoctrinated...That's if he let the reapers indoctrinated him.(Control, Synthesis). Shepard is not indoctrinated yet, he is still in the process of it in the theory. He can resist still easilly.

I don't have personal knowledge, but someone said the codex said (hearsay) that the victim has to accept indoctrination for it to become complete.

Not really, It can be forced, but that takes longer and the person's will has to be broken to be fully effective and happen faster.

um their will has to be broken?
were does it say that

The second Shepard loses the willto destroy the reapers, is the second he becomes indoctriated... for *my* Shepard atleast;)

[FatalX7.0]

balance5050 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...


You are already accepting the endings as is, Shepard dies in all 3 endings. But you want to play more? How would this work without IT?

When did I ever say this? Because I didn't play a crappy DLC?

So you don't believe the endings at face value? Sorry I just thought you had an opinion. 

Now you're assuming what I believe?


I don't like the ending. I don't believe them to be something else like you do.

Bad writing by an arrogant producer who ripped off Deus Ex.

Isn't this topic about taking the ending as face value?

What point are you trying to make?

That even at face value TIM is using a form of indoctrination on you, TIM was studying indoctrantion not biotics.

So, now you're half-agreeing with what I stated a few pages back?

His implants utilize biotics, which gives him the physical hold over Shepard and Anderson. You can see the modified glow when he forces Shepard to shoot Anderson.

It's never said that Biotics are involved during sanctuary, I hear "indoctrination, husks, nanides, etc" are you just making things up to fit your perception of the ending? There is no proof he's using biotics besides a tiny purple glow, I'll stick with audiologs, and actual dialogue.

The exact same can be said about the Indoctrination Theory.

How do you know that the implants aren't modified biotic implants?

[balance5050]

KingZayd wrote...

It can't be biotics. TIM wasn't exposed to element zero in-utero.

Thanks for reminding me, yeah i've read the literature. No way he's using biotics.

[darthoptimus003]

sheps will was never broken so that doesnt work
again we destroyed 3 reapers 1 in me1 and 2 in me3
and we were never around a rEAper artifact long enough for it to start indoc anyone
and to noone noticing anything weird with shep is another clue that indoc is wrong

[FatalX7.0]

KingZayd wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...


You are already accepting the endings as is, Shepard dies in all 3 endings. But you want to play more? How would this work without IT?

When did I ever say this? Because I didn't play a crappy DLC?

So you don't believe the endings at face value? Sorry I just thought you had an opinion. 

Now you're assuming what I believe?


I don't like the ending. I don't believe them to be something else like you do.

Bad writing by an arrogant producer who ripped off Deus Ex.

Isn't this topic about taking the ending as face value?

What point are you trying to make?

That even at face value TIM is using a form of indoctrination on you, TIM was studying indoctrantion not biotics.

So, now you're half-agreeing with what I stated a few pages back?

His implants utilize biotics, which gives him the physical hold over Shepard and Anderson. You can see the modified glow when he forces Shepard to shoot Anderson.

It's never said that Biotics are involved during sanctuary, I hear "indoctrination, husks, nanides, etc" are you just making things up to fit your perception of the ending? There is no proof he's using biotics besides a tiny purple glow, I'll stick with audiologs, and actual dialogue.

It can't be biotics. TIM wasn't exposed to element zero in-utero.

Do you need to be exposed to element zero to use Biotics?


Just says that Biotics utlize element zero nodes imbedded in your body tissue.

Modifié par FatalX7.0, 12 mai 2012 - 03:43 .

[balance5050]

darthoptimus003 wrote...

sheps will was never broken so that doesnt work
again we destroyed 3 reapers 1 in me1 and 2 in me3
and we were never around a rEAper artifact long enough for it to start indoc anyone
and to noone noticing anything weird with shep is another clue that indoc is wrong

He can be persuaded out of his will to destroy the reapers.