darthoptimus003 wrote...
sheps will was never broken so that doesnt work
again we destroyed 3 reapers 1 in me1 and 2 in me3
and we were never around a rEAper artifact long enough for it to start indoc anyone
and to noone noticing anything weird with shep is another clue that indoc is wrong
Well, that's just playing with words. Even if he wasn't "born" a biotic, he could very well have implants designed to have similar effects, merged with Reaper signals. Everything is "possible" in this branch, but indoc is not "taking control against a rebelling consciousness". Shepard is not siding with the Reapers in the TIM confrontation.KingZayd wrote...
It can't be biotics. TIM wasn't exposed to element zero in-utero.
Iconoclaste wrote...
That's more like a "big round glowing fist" to make it clear to the players he's not just playing a "mind trick" there.balance5050 wrote...
It's never said that Biotics are involved during sanctuary, I hear "indoctrination, husks, nanides, etc" are you just making things up to fit your perception of the ending? There is no proof he's using biotics besides a tiny purple glow, I'll stick with audiologs, and actual dialogue.
when was that and wherebalance5050 wrote...
darthoptimus003 wrote...
sheps will was never broken so that doesnt work
again we destroyed 3 reapers 1 in me1 and 2 in me3
and we were never around a rEAper artifact long enough for it to start indoc anyone
and to noone noticing anything weird with shep is another clue that indoc is wrong
He can be persuaded out of his will to destroy the reapers.
Isn't that a strawman arguement? Just because he uses biotics, he learns all biotics some how as well? That's like saying Saren should of used Stasis on Shepard because of his implants in ME1 because reapers tech increase biotic power.FatalX7.0 wrote...
balance5050 wrote...
FatalX7.0 wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
Isn't this topic about taking the ending as face value?FatalX7.0 wrote...
balance5050 wrote...
FatalX7.0 wrote...
balance5050 wrote...
You are already accepting the endings as is, Shepard dies in all 3 endings. But you want to play more? How would this work without IT?
When did I ever say this? Because I didn't play a crappy DLC?
So you don't believe the endings at face value? Sorry I just thought you had an opinion.
Now you're assuming what I believe?
I don't like the ending. I don't believe them to be something else like you do.
Bad writing by an arrogant producer who ripped off Deus Ex.
What point are you trying to make?
That even at face value TIM is using a form of indoctrination on you, TIM was studying indoctrantion not biotics.
So, now you're half-agreeing with what I stated a few pages back?
His implants utilize biotics, which gives him the physical hold over Shepard and Anderson. You can see the modified glow when he forces Shepard to shoot Anderson.
Iconoclaste wrote...
Well, that's just playing with words. Even if he wasn't "born" a biotic, he could very well have implants designed to have similar effects, merged with Reaper signals. Everything is "possible" in this branch, but indoc is not "taking control against a rebelling consciousness". Shepard is not siding with the Reapers in the TIM confrontation.KingZayd wrote...
It can't be biotics. TIM wasn't exposed to element zero in-utero.
Start any of the games, go to the codex, and play the entry about biotics.FatalX7.0 wrote...
Huh.
Source?
Modifié par hoodaticus, 12 mai 2012 - 03:54 .
darthoptimus003 wrote...
when was that and wherebalance5050 wrote...
darthoptimus003 wrote...
sheps will was never broken so that doesnt work
again we destroyed 3 reapers 1 in me1 and 2 in me3
and we were never around a rEAper artifact long enough for it to start indoc anyone
and to noone noticing anything weird with shep is another clue that indoc is wrong
He can be persuaded out of his will to destroy the reapers.
they were studying that object for monthsKingZayd wrote...
darthoptimus003 wrote...
sheps will was never broken so that doesnt work
again we destroyed 3 reapers 1 in me1 and 2 in me3
and we were never around a rEAper artifact long enough for it to start indoc anyone
and to noone noticing anything weird with shep is another clue that indoc is wrong
Object Rho. Every other person it has affected has been indoctrinated. Every person hit by the artifact on Shanxi ended up indoctrinated. Except for Shepard you'd have us believe.
As long as we all know Shepard is literally "filled" with Cerberus brand implants, I'm not surprised some of them might have been originally designed to "control" Shepard from the start of ME2.balance5050 wrote...
Iconoclaste wrote...
That's more like a "big round glowing fist" to make it clear to the players he's not just playing a "mind trick" there.balance5050 wrote...
It's never said that Biotics are involved during sanctuary, I hear "indoctrination, husks, nanides, etc" are you just making things up to fit your perception of the ending? There is no proof he's using biotics besides a tiny purple glow, I'll stick with audiologs, and actual dialogue.
It must be at least *partly* a mind trick because Shepard rubs his temples in pain when TIM makes him raise his gun at Anderson.
darthoptimus003 wrote...
when was that and wherebalance5050 wrote...
darthoptimus003 wrote...
sheps will was never broken so that doesnt work
again we destroyed 3 reapers 1 in me1 and 2 in me3
and we were never around a rEAper artifact long enough for it to start indoc anyone
and to noone noticing anything weird with shep is another clue that indoc is wrong
He can be persuaded out of his will to destroy the reapers.
Modifié par balance5050, 12 mai 2012 - 03:50 .
my bad green and blue option forgot sorryKingZayd wrote...
darthoptimus003 wrote...
when was that and wherebalance5050 wrote...
darthoptimus003 wrote...
sheps will was never broken so that doesnt work
again we destroyed 3 reapers 1 in me1 and 2 in me3
and we were never around a rEAper artifact long enough for it to start indoc anyone
and to noone noticing anything weird with shep is another clue that indoc is wrong
He can be persuaded out of his will to destroy the reapers.
the "end"
Which is why he is in the process of indoctrinaton still. Your not understanding that the foundation of indoctrination can still be built with that contact. Also, it was not a short time of contact. It's 3 year of on and off contact. Indoctrination can be build off of each contact with indoctrination waves. It can be built up on overtime. But it not enough to fully indoctrinate him, it's just enough to start the process. Even then reapers can still warp his perspective.darthoptimus003 wrote...
sheps will was never broken so that doesnt work
again we destroyed 3 reapers 1 in me1 and 2 in me3
and we were never around a rEAper artifact long enough for it to start indoc anyone
and to noone noticing anything weird with shep is another clue that indoc is wrong
Iconoclaste wrote...
As long as we all know Shepard is literally "filled" with Cerberus brand implants, I'm not surprised some of them might have been originally designed to "control" Shepard from the start of ME2.balance5050 wrote...
Iconoclaste wrote...
That's more like a "big round glowing fist" to make it clear to the players he's not just playing a "mind trick" there.balance5050 wrote...
It's never said that Biotics are involved during sanctuary, I hear "indoctrination, husks, nanides, etc" are you just making things up to fit your perception of the ending? There is no proof he's using biotics besides a tiny purple glow, I'll stick with audiologs, and actual dialogue.
It must be at least *partly* a mind trick because Shepard rubs his temples in pain when TIM makes him raise his gun at Anderson.
Except Miranda told you over and over - in two out of three games - that they didn't do that. She even had a personal crisis over it.Iconoclaste wrote...
As long as we all know Shepard is literally "filled" with Cerberus brand implants, I'm not surprised some of them might have been originally designed to "control" Shepard from the start of ME2.balance5050 wrote...
Iconoclaste wrote...
That's more like a "big round glowing fist" to make it clear to the players he's not just playing a "mind trick" there.balance5050 wrote...
It's never said that Biotics are involved during sanctuary, I hear "indoctrination, husks, nanides, etc" are you just making things up to fit your perception of the ending? There is no proof he's using biotics besides a tiny purple glow, I'll stick with audiologs, and actual dialogue.
It must be at least *partly* a mind trick because Shepard rubs his temples in pain when TIM makes him raise his gun at Anderson.
How is TIM controling Anderson?=]And why did TIM use this control on MARS, the coup, and incerberus head quarters?Iconoclaste wrote...
As long as we all know Shepard is literally "filled" with Cerberus brand implants, I'm not surprised some of them might have been originally designed to "control" Shepard from the start of ME2.balance5050 wrote...
Iconoclaste wrote...
That's more like a "big round glowing fist" to make it clear to the players he's not just playing a "mind trick" there.balance5050 wrote...
It's never said that Biotics are involved during sanctuary, I hear "indoctrination, husks, nanides, etc" are you just making things up to fit your perception of the ending? There is no proof he's using biotics besides a tiny purple glow, I'll stick with audiologs, and actual dialogue.
It must be at least *partly* a mind trick because Shepard rubs his temples in pain when TIM makes him raise his gun at Anderson.
Modifié par dreman9999, 12 mai 2012 - 03:55 .
darthoptimus003 wrote...
they were studying that object for monthsKingZayd wrote...
darthoptimus003 wrote...
sheps will was never broken so that doesnt work
again we destroyed 3 reapers 1 in me1 and 2 in me3
and we were never around a rEAper artifact long enough for it to start indoc anyone
and to noone noticing anything weird with shep is another clue that indoc is wrong
Object Rho. Every other person it has affected has been indoctrinated. Every person hit by the artifact on Shanxi ended up indoctrinated. Except for Shepard you'd have us believe.
so of corse they were indoc
shep wasnt around it for that long
TIM his unique, extremely rich and powerful, and spent at least 2 games researching for a way to "control"... anything. He even turned some of his soldiers into half-husks, I don't see why making his own hybrid Reaper-Cerberus tech would be impossible. But, hey, FTL is impossible, so there should be a limit to stretching "science" in this universe...KingZayd wrote...
Iconoclaste wrote...
Well, that's just playing with words. Even if he wasn't "born" a biotic, he could very well have implants designed to have similar effects, merged with Reaper signals. Everything is "possible" in this branch, but indoc is not "taking control against a rebelling consciousness". Shepard is not siding with the Reapers in the TIM confrontation.KingZayd wrote...
It can't be biotics. TIM wasn't exposed to element zero in-utero.
Really? the only person in the galaxy to have managed this. Wow, he's managed to master indoctrination and given himself biotic implants (in some secret labs we see no evidence of, unlike those for indoctrination. Oh and his implantation operation we see is for indoctrination again) Truly, what a visionary!
dreman9999 wrote...
How is TIM controling Anderson?Iconoclaste wrote...
As long as we all know Shepard is literally "filled" with Cerberus brand implants, I'm not surprised some of them might have been originally designed to "control" Shepard from the start of ME2.balance5050 wrote...
Iconoclaste wrote...
That's more like a "big round glowing fist" to make it clear to the players he's not just playing a "mind trick" there.balance5050 wrote...
It's never said that Biotics are involved during sanctuary, I hear "indoctrination, husks, nanides, etc" are you just making things up to fit your perception of the ending? There is no proof he's using biotics besides a tiny purple glow, I'll stick with audiologs, and actual dialogue.
It must be at least *partly* a mind trick because Shepard rubs his temples in pain when TIM makes him raise his gun at Anderson.
Modifié par FatalX7.0, 12 mai 2012 - 03:55 .
That because you let your self be indoctrinated.darthoptimus003 wrote...
my bad green and blue option forgot sorryKingZayd wrote...
darthoptimus003 wrote...
when was that and wherebalance5050 wrote...
darthoptimus003 wrote...
sheps will was never broken so that doesnt work
again we destroyed 3 reapers 1 in me1 and 2 in me3
and we were never around a rEAper artifact long enough for it to start indoc anyone
and to noone noticing anything weird with shep is another clue that indoc is wrong
He can be persuaded out of his will to destroy the reapers.
the "end"
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