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[hoodaticus]

balance5050 wrote...

Tom Lehrer wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Tom Lehrer wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Let be serious. Theire is only one reason, and it the same reson Why everyone  thinks Shepard  is indoctrinated.

Bad writing?

1. Reapers, hush, reaper agents, and reaper tech causes indoctination.

2. Anderson is on earth constatly fight reapersand their forces..
....
Do the math.

I did do the math thats the problem. Too many factors...do you know what Occam's razor is?

Occams razor = "bad writing LALALA

Occam's razor is a heuristic that says singular causes are more probable than multiple causes for any given effect.  What's his point?

Modifié par hoodaticus, 12 mai 2012 - 04:38 .

[KingZayd]

darthoptimus003 wrote...

yeah i seen the 15 min vid sorry its a sinkig caneo up a s*** creek without a paddle

:S it's not an indoctrination video. It's the Cerberus base level. 15 mins in gives the 3 videos where you see what TIM's been up to.

[dreman9999]

Iconoclaste wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
You know my proof is the plot right and lore, right? Thing stated and shown that  support  findings, not base less assumtions with nothing to point to it. 
I woud just show vid from the game and notes from the lore like I was doing before....Athing you can't do about TIM's secret powers.

This whole "TIM has indoc pawa" is your invention, that's no lore, sorry.

The whole "TIM has indoc pawa"is shown in the ending when he control Shepard and Anderson.

[darthoptimus003]

balance5050 wrote...

Tom Lehrer wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

darthoptimus003 wrote...

does anderson have any inplants cause if he dont boom there goes that

Anderson has no implants but he has pent constant contact with reapers and husk on earth ashe fights them... All chances of the startof indocrtination.

If being on the same rock as the Reapers was enough to become indocrtinated then everyone on every world would already be indocrtinated  meaning the war has been lost and the game no longer has a point.

You do realize that thousands of people are just wandering into the reaper processing plants everyday in the game don't you?

forced into the processing plants not once was it said anywhere that they went willinglly in to them

[KingZayd]

Iconoclaste wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
You know my proof is the plot right and lore, right? Thing stated and shown that  support  findings, not base less assumtions with nothing to point to it. 
I woud just show vid from the game and notes from the lore like I was doing before....Athing you can't do about TIM's secret powers.

This whole "TIM has indoc pawa" is your invention, that's no lore, sorry.

Actually it is lore. Watch the Cerberus base videos provided below. About 15 mins in.

[dreman9999]

Tom Lehrer wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Tom Lehrer wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Let be serious. Theire is only one reason, and it the same reson Why everyone  thinks Shepard  is indoctrinated.

Bad writing?

1. Reapers, hush, reaper agents, and reaper tech causes indoctination.

2. Anderson is on earth constatly fight reapersand their forces..
....
Do the math.

I did do the math thats the problem. Too many factors...do you know what Occam's razor is?

Do you not understand Anderson is constatly fight the reapers. It not like he's on one side of the planet and the reapers and their forces on the other. Heis commanding in the front lines....Like palvens moon.
That is prolong exposer.

[Tom Lehrer]

balance5050 wrote...

Occams razor = "bad writing LALALA

Occam's razor is the principle that the hypotheses that makes the fewest assumptions is the right one. 

Modifié par Tom Lehrer, 12 mai 2012 - 04:41 .

[hoodaticus]

Plus hasn't Shepard spent at least a few weeks in the presence of the Reaper tech he installed on the Normandy? You know, that thing that was so critical to ME2? The thing that got the entire Normandy crew other than its pilot captured?

[Iconoclaste]

dreman9999 wrote...

Do you not understand Anderson is constatly fight the reapers. It not like he's on one side of the planet and the reapers and their forces on the other. Heis commanding in the front lines....Like palvens moon.
That is prolong exposer.

We never see people acting like robots with independant minds in the games. Did you? If you did, how could you believe they were "indoctrinated"?

Taking over someone's movements has nothing to do with controlling his mind if that person is still able to oppose the Reapers. "Indoctrination" refers to "doctrine", having someone "drinking the Koolaid" on some way of thinking. TIM might be trying real hard to convince Shepard, but he's failing blatantly, even if he has a (unknown) power to control his movements. To suppose that some parts of the endings were simply "bad writing", and others were flashes of genius, just points to something not coherent in the proposition.

Modifié par Iconoclaste, 12 mai 2012 - 04:47 .

[hoodaticus]

Tom Lehrer wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Occams razor = "bad writing LALALA

Occam's razor is the principle that the hypotheses that makes the fewest assumptions is the right one. 

You haven't listed any assumptions for either side nor shown us how you compare them.

[darthoptimus003]

hoodaticus wrote...

Plus hasn't Shepard spent at least a few weeks in the presence of the Reaper tech he installed on the Normandy? You know, that thing that was so critical to ME2? The thing that got the entire Normandy crew other than its pilot captured?

so now EVERY peice of reaper tech can control you
wow this IT keeps geting better and better as we go along

[Iconoclaste]

hoodaticus wrote...

Plus hasn't Shepard spent at least a few weeks in the presence of the Reaper tech he installed on the Normandy? You know, that thing that was so critical to ME2? The thing that got the entire Normandy crew other than its pilot captured?

How come no other squaddies were "indoc" or even showed any slight sign of it? Some of them spend a whole lot of time there. It's just not reasonable to suppose they all have Shepard's resistance, to endure constant presence of "Reaper tech" and just live by it unaffected...

[Tom Lehrer]

hoodaticus wrote...

Tom Lehrer wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Occams razor = "bad writing LALALA

Occam's razor is the principle that the hypotheses that makes the fewest assumptions is the right one. 

You haven't listed any assumptions for either side nor shown us how you compare them.

I have given one assumption. The endding of ME3 was caused by bad writing on the part of the ME team.

[balance5050]

darthoptimus003 wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...

Plus hasn't Shepard spent at least a few weeks in the presence of the Reaper tech he installed on the Normandy? You know, that thing that was so critical to ME2? The thing that got the entire Normandy crew other than its pilot captured?

so now EVERY peice of reaper tech can control you
wow this IT keeps geting better and better as we go along

"Do you hear that hum?"

[Tom Lehrer]

balance5050 wrote...

darthoptimus003 wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...

Plus hasn't Shepard spent at least a few weeks in the presence of the Reaper tech he installed on the Normandy? You know, that thing that was so critical to ME2? The thing that got the entire Normandy crew other than its pilot captured?

so now EVERY peice of reaper tech can control you
wow this IT keeps geting better and better as we go along

"Do you hear that hum?"

Its the drive core

[balance5050]

Tom Lehrer wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...

Tom Lehrer wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Occams razor = "bad writing LALALA

Occam's razor is the principle that the hypotheses that makes the fewest assumptions is the right one. 

You haven't listed any assumptions for either side nor shown us how you compare them.

I have given one assumption. The endding of ME3 was caused by bad writing on the part of the ME team.

Called it.

[darthoptimus003]

Iconoclaste wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Do you not understand Anderson is constatly fight the reapers. It not like he's on one side of the planet and the reapers and their forces on the other. Heis commanding in the front lines....Like palvens moon.
That is prolong exposer.

We never see people acting like robots with independant minds in the games. Did you? If you did, how could you believe they were "indoctrinated"?

Taking over someone's movements has nothing to do with controlling his mind if that person is still able to oppose the Reapers. "Indoctrination" refers to "doctrine", having someone "drinking the Koolaid" on some way of thinking. TIM might be trying real hard to convince Shepard, but he's failing blatantly, even if he has a (unknown) power to control his movements. To suppose that some parts of the endings were simply "bad writing", and others were flashes of genius, just points to something not coherent in the proposition.

the whole thing is bad writing and now we we have this theroy that makes no logial since
and keeps getting more outragious as  time ticks on and if we ask a logical question the answer we get is another question

[balance5050]

Tom Lehrer wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

darthoptimus003 wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...

Plus hasn't Shepard spent at least a few weeks in the presence of the Reaper tech he installed on the Normandy? You know, that thing that was so critical to ME2? The thing that got the entire Normandy crew other than its pilot captured?

so now EVERY peice of reaper tech can control you
wow this IT keeps geting better and better as we go along

"Do you hear that hum?"

Its the drive core

Right, because Vega's never heard a drive core before <_<

[hoodaticus]

balance5050 wrote...

Tom Lehrer wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

darthoptimus003 wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...

Plus hasn't Shepard spent at least a few weeks in the presence of the Reaper tech he installed on the Normandy? You know, that thing that was so critical to ME2? The thing that got the entire Normandy crew other than its pilot captured?

so now EVERY peice of reaper tech can control you
wow this IT keeps geting better and better as we go along

"Do you hear that hum?"

Its the drive core

Right, because Vega's never heard a drive core before <_<

Why would a space marine have heard a drive core? 

[balance5050]

hoodaticus wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Tom Lehrer wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

darthoptimus003 wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...

Plus hasn't Shepard spent at least a few weeks in the presence of the Reaper tech he installed on the Normandy? You know, that thing that was so critical to ME2? The thing that got the entire Normandy crew other than its pilot captured?

so now EVERY peice of reaper tech can control you
wow this IT keeps geting better and better as we go along

"Do you hear that hum?"

Its the drive core

Right, because Vega's never heard a drive core before <_<

Why would a space marine have heard a drive core? 

[dreman9999]

Iconoclaste wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...

Plus hasn't Shepard spent at least a few weeks in the presence of the Reaper tech he installed on the Normandy? You know, that thing that was so critical to ME2? The thing that got the entire Normandy crew other than its pilot captured?

How come no other squaddies were "indoc" or even showed any slight sign of it? Some of them spend a whole lot of time there. It's just not reasonable to suppose they all have Shepard's resistance, to endure constant presence of "Reaper tech" and just live by it unaffected...

Ashley is restless.
Garrus is having sleep less nights.
Liara is lossing her will to fight.
Joker is freking out over the fate of this war and his family.
James heres a hum.
.....
Added indocrination breaks wills and is subtle.

Modifié par dreman9999, 12 mai 2012 - 04:54 .

[dreman9999]

Tom Lehrer wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

darthoptimus003 wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...

Plus hasn't Shepard spent at least a few weeks in the presence of the Reaper tech he installed on the Normandy? You know, that thing that was so critical to ME2? The thing that got the entire Normandy crew other than its pilot captured?

so now EVERY peice of reaper tech can control you
wow this IT keeps geting better and better as we go along

"Do you hear that hum?"

Its the drive core

It's a reaper dive core.

[Tom Lehrer]

balance5050 wrote...

Tom Lehrer wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...

Tom Lehrer wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Occams razor = "bad writing LALALA

Occam's razor is the principle that the hypotheses that makes the fewest assumptions is the right one. 

You haven't listed any assumptions for either side nor shown us how you compare them.

I have given one assumption. The endding of ME3 was caused by bad writing on the part of the ME team.

Called it.

It is better then trying to think Mac Walters has the abelity to think up something like IT and put it in game when he does not even understand how thanix cannons work.

[dreman9999]

Iconoclaste wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...

Plus hasn't Shepard spent at least a few weeks in the presence of the Reaper tech he installed on the Normandy? You know, that thing that was so critical to ME2? The thing that got the entire Normandy crew other than its pilot captured?

How come no other squaddies were "indoc" or even showed any slight sign of it? Some of them spend a whole lot of time there. It's just not reasonable to suppose they all have Shepard's resistance, to endure constant presence of "Reaper tech" and just live by it unaffected...

http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Codex/The_Reapers#Indoctrination 
Reaper "indoctrination" is an insidious means of corrupting organic minds, "reprogramming" the brain through physical and psychological conditioning using electromagnetic fields, infrasonic and ultrasonic noise, and other subliminal methods. The Reaper's resulting control over the limbic system leaves the victim highly susceptible to its suggestions.Organics undergoing indoctrination may complain of headaches and buzzing or ringing in their ears. As time passes, they have feelings of "being watched" and hallucinations of "ghostly" presences. Ultimately, the Reaper gains the ability to use the victim's body to amplify its signals, manifesting as "alien" voices in the mind.Indoctrination can create perfect deep cover agents. A Reaper's "suggestions" can manipulate victims into betraying friends, trusting enemies, or viewing the Reaper itself with superstitious awe. Should a Reaper subvert a well-placed political or military leader, the resulting chaos can bring down nations.Long-term physical effects of the manipulation are unsustainable. Higher mental functioning decays, ultimately leaving the victim a gibbering animal. Rapid indoctrination is possible, but causes this decay in days or weeks. Slow, patient indoctrination allows the thrall to last for months or years.
.....:whistle:Mean something else to reapers.

[darthoptimus003]

dreman9999 wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...

Plus hasn't Shepard spent at least a few weeks in the presence of the Reaper tech he installed on the Normandy? You know, that thing that was so critical to ME2? The thing that got the entire Normandy crew other than its pilot captured?

How come no other squaddies were "indoc" or even showed any slight sign of it? Some of them spend a whole lot of time there. It's just not reasonable to suppose they all have Shepard's resistance, to endure constant presence of "Reaper tech" and just live by it unaffected...

Ashley is restless.
Garrus is having sleep less nights.
Liara is lossing her will to fight.
Joker is freking out over the fate of this war and his family.
James heres a hum.
.....
Added indocrination breaks wills and is subtle.

ashley = thinks shep is spy and worried about famly,earth
garrus=worried for family,world and newposition in army
liaria= watched her world fall to rEAper forces
joker= family
james=under the drive core

Modifié par darthoptimus003, 12 mai 2012 - 05:00 .