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[KingZayd]

Tom Lehrer wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Tom Lehrer wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...

Tom Lehrer wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Occams razor = "bad writing LALALA

Occam's razor is the principle that the hypotheses that makes the fewest assumptions is the right one. 

You haven't listed any assumptions for either side nor shown us how you compare them.

I have given one assumption. The endding of ME3 was caused by bad writing on the part of the ME team.

Called it.

It is better then trying to think Mac Walters has the abelity to think up something like IT and put it in game when he does not even understand how thanix cannons work.

i believe that makes it 2 assumptions.

[Tom Lehrer]

dreman9999 wrote...

Ashley is restless.
Garrus is having sleep less nights.
Liara is lossing her will to fight.
Joker is freking out over the fate of this war and his family.
James heres a hum.
.....
Added indocrination breaks wills and is subtle.

Ashley has a family in danger.
Garrus also has a family in danger
Liara saw her homeworld burn first hand
Joker is worried about his family like Ashley and Garrus
James has never spent time on a ship like Normandy that has a drive core 3x the size of a drive core is in most ships.

[Tom Lehrer]

KingZayd wrote...


i believe that makes it 2 assumptions.

How many does IT make? I lost count in April.

[balance5050]

Tom Lehrer wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Tom Lehrer wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...

Tom Lehrer wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Occams razor = "bad writing LALALA

Occam's razor is the principle that the hypotheses that makes the fewest assumptions is the right one. 

You haven't listed any assumptions for either side nor shown us how you compare them.

I have given one assumption. The endding of ME3 was caused by bad writing on the part of the ME team.

Called it.

It is better then trying to think Mac Walters has the abelity to think up something like IT and put it in game when he does not even understand how thanix cannons work.

He has a degree in psychology, and has overseen bioware products for 15 years, he has brought us such amazing storiies with amazing twists, KOTOR, Jade Empire, Baldures gate, etc...

He has been proving that he can do this for years. It's not like he suddenly had a stroke.

Modifié par balance5050, 12 mai 2012 - 05:01 .

[balance5050]

Tom Lehrer wrote...

KingZayd wrote...


i believe that makes it 2 assumptions.

How many does IT make? I lost count in April.

One?

[KingZayd]

Tom Lehrer wrote...

KingZayd wrote...


i believe that makes it 2 assumptions.

How many does IT make? I lost count in April.

How many does it take? I'm at 1. That Vendetta's indoctrination sensors have a required threshold level to be able to detect indoctrination, that is, that it's not perfect.

I'd be interested to see where you think the others are?

[deathlord413]

KingZayd wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
You know my proof is the plot right and lore, right? Thing stated and shown that  support  findings, not base less assumtions with nothing to point to it. 
I woud just show vid from the game and notes from the lore like I was doing before....Athing you can't do about TIM's secret powers.

This whole "TIM has indoc pawa" is your invention, that's no lore, sorry.

Actually it is lore. Watch the Cerberus base videos provided below. About 15 mins in.

All I see is a video in which TIM says that he is able to control Reaper forces. Things that are *under Reaper influence. That supports the IT more than anything else. 

Modifié par deathlord413, 12 mai 2012 - 05:05 .

[KingZayd]

Opsrbest wrote...

If Shepard was in any way indoctrinated, people at any given point in time the VI on the Asari home world Vendetta would have noticed it.

It is beyond breaking of the plot and the etablished lore for Shepard to be considered indoctrinated, being indoctrinated or otherwise anything to do with indoctrination. It BREAKS the narrative of Shepard. It BREAKS the lore of indoctrination.

The only allowable means of indoctrination, which would kill Shepard since the codex states it's severity to the umptenth degree is rapid indoctrination.

And if that's the case Shepard is officially a Mary Sue.

And TIM uses a modified Reaper control signal for Husks with his implants. The only real time Shepard is exposed to high amounts of Reaper tech that can affect him is through TIM.

Because Vendetta's indoctrination sensors are perfect? I wonder why the crucible project failed due to indoctrinated protheans then ?

And there is another time: Object Rho. 

[Tom Lehrer]

balance5050 wrote...

He has a degree in psychology, and has overseen bioware products for 15 years, he has brought us such amazing storiies with amazing twists, KOTOR, Jade Empire, Baldures gate, etc...

He has been proving that he can do this for years. It's not like he suddenly had a stroke.

Sure your not thinking about Drew Karpyshyn?

[darthoptimus003]

KingZayd wrote...

Tom Lehrer wrote...

KingZayd wrote...


i believe that makes it 2 assumptions.

How many does IT make? I lost count in April.

How many does it take? I'm at 1. That Vendetta's indoctrination sensors have a required threshold level to be able to detect indoctrination, that is, that it's not perfect.

I'd be interested to see where you think the others are?

wow that was pulled from thin air

[dreman9999]

Opsrbest wrote...

If Shepard was in any way indoctrinated, people at any given point in time the VI on the Asari home world Vendetta would have noticed it.

It is beyond breaking of the plot and the etablished lore for Shepard to be considered indoctrinated, being indoctrinated or otherwise anything to do with indoctrination. It BREAKS the narrative of Shepard. It BREAKS the lore of indoctrination.

The only allowable means of indoctrination, which would kill Shepard since the codex states it's severity to the umptenth degree is rapid indoctrination.

And if that's the case Shepard is officially a Mary Sue.

And TIM uses a modified Reaper control signal for Husks with his implants. The only real time Shepard is exposed to high amounts of Reaper tech that can affect him is through TIM.

Do you know how many time thishas been awnsered? Take note of want is said by Javik whr you first mean him and the fact that that VI was on the prothean crucible project. If you put two and two together, it awnsers itself.

[KingZayd]

deathlord413 wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
You know my proof is the plot right and lore, right? Thing stated and shown that  support  findings, not base less assumtions with nothing to point to it. 
I woud just show vid from the game and notes from the lore like I was doing before....Athing you can't do about TIM's secret powers.

This whole "TIM has indoc pawa" is your invention, that's no lore, sorry.

Actually it is lore. Watch the Cerberus base videos provided below. About 15 mins in.

All I see is a video in which TIM says that he is able to control Reaper forces. Things that are *under Reaper influence. That supports the IT more than anything else. 

"Some are already hearing voices" "Once our work at Sanctuary pays off, the only voice they'll be hearing is ours"

[balance5050]

Opsrbest wrote...

If Shepard was in any way indoctrinated, people at any given point in time the VI on the Asari home world Vendetta would have noticed it.

It is beyond breaking of the plot and the etablished lore for Shepard to be considered indoctrinated, being indoctrinated or otherwise anything to do with indoctrination. It BREAKS the narrative of Shepard. It BREAKS the lore of indoctrination.

The only allowable means of indoctrination, which would kill Shepard since the codex states it's severity to the umptenth degree is rapid indoctrination.

And if that's the case Shepard is officially a Mary Sue.

And TIM uses a modified Reaper control signal for Husks with his implants. The only real time Shepard is exposed to high amounts of Reaper tech that can affect him is through TIM.

He wasn't indoctriated when he talked to the Thessia VI. It was in the early , psychological, undetectable stages.

plus it only detects reaper tech, and there were indoctrinated sleeper agents that slipped by it's detection before, accoding to itself AND Javik.

[balance5050]

Tom Lehrer wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

He has a degree in psychology, and has overseen bioware products for 15 years, he has brought us such amazing storiies with amazing twists, KOTOR, Jade Empire, Baldures gate, etc...

He has been proving that he can do this for years. It's not like he suddenly had a stroke.

Sure your not thinking about Drew Karpyshyn?

No Mac Walters.

Edit, maybe Drew as well, but Mac Walterss definitely

Modifié par balance5050, 12 mai 2012 - 05:08 .

[KingZayd]

darthoptimus003 wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Tom Lehrer wrote...

KingZayd wrote...


i believe that makes it 2 assumptions.

How many does IT make? I lost count in April.

How many does it take? I'm at 1. That Vendetta's indoctrination sensors have a required threshold level to be able to detect indoctrination, that is, that it's not perfect.

I'd be interested to see where you think the others are?

wow that was pulled from thin air

like i said it's an assumption.

If the sensors are perfect, then how did the Prothean Crucible project get compromised by indoctrinated individuals?

[dreman9999]

deathlord413 wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
You know my proof is the plot right and lore, right? Thing stated and shown that  support  findings, not base less assumtions with nothing to point to it. 
I woud just show vid from the game and notes from the lore like I was doing before....Athing you can't do about TIM's secret powers.

This whole "TIM has indoc pawa" is your invention, that's no lore, sorry.

Actually it is lore. Watch the Cerberus base videos provided below. About 15 mins in.

All I see is a video in which TIM says that he is able to control Reaper forces. Things that are *under Reaper influence. That supports the IT more than anything else. 

What is indoctrination? He said he can control reaper forces...The reaper forces are indoctinated and are control with indoctriantion. That means he can control anythingt hat is indoctrinated or has the fundation of indoctriantion in them.

[darthoptimus003]

balance5050 wrote...

Opsrbest wrote...

If Shepard was in any way indoctrinated, people at any given point in time the VI on the Asari home world Vendetta would have noticed it.

It is beyond breaking of the plot and the etablished lore for Shepard to be considered indoctrinated, being indoctrinated or otherwise anything to do with indoctrination. It BREAKS the narrative of Shepard. It BREAKS the lore of indoctrination.

The only allowable means of indoctrination, which would kill Shepard since the codex states it's severity to the umptenth degree is rapid indoctrination.

And if that's the case Shepard is officially a Mary Sue.

And TIM uses a modified Reaper control signal for Husks with his implants. The only real time Shepard is exposed to high amounts of Reaper tech that can affect him is through TIM.

He wasn't indoctriated when he talked to the Thessia VI. It was in the early , psychological, undetectable stages.

plus it only detects reaper tech, and there were indoctrinated sleeper agents that slipped by it's detection before, accoding to itself AND Javik.

and sheps body is riddle with implants so if the vi didnt detect anything how is shep indoc

[balance5050]

darthoptimus003 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Opsrbest wrote...

If Shepard was in any way indoctrinated, people at any given point in time the VI on the Asari home world Vendetta would have noticed it.

It is beyond breaking of the plot and the etablished lore for Shepard to be considered indoctrinated, being indoctrinated or otherwise anything to do with indoctrination. It BREAKS the narrative of Shepard. It BREAKS the lore of indoctrination.

The only allowable means of indoctrination, which would kill Shepard since the codex states it's severity to the umptenth degree is rapid indoctrination.

And if that's the case Shepard is officially a Mary Sue.

And TIM uses a modified Reaper control signal for Husks with his implants. The only real time Shepard is exposed to high amounts of Reaper tech that can affect him is through TIM.

He wasn't indoctriated when he talked to the Thessia VI. It was in the early , psychological, undetectable stages.

plus it only detects reaper tech, and there were indoctrinated sleeper agents that slipped by it's detection before, accoding to itself AND Javik.

and sheps body is riddle with implants so if the vi didnt detect anything how is shep indoc

Not Reaper implants.
 Like Saren, TIM and Kai Leng have.

Modifié par balance5050, 12 mai 2012 - 05:11 .

[KingZayd]

darthoptimus003 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Opsrbest wrote...

If Shepard was in any way indoctrinated, people at any given point in time the VI on the Asari home world Vendetta would have noticed it.

It is beyond breaking of the plot and the etablished lore for Shepard to be considered indoctrinated, being indoctrinated or otherwise anything to do with indoctrination. It BREAKS the narrative of Shepard. It BREAKS the lore of indoctrination.

The only allowable means of indoctrination, which would kill Shepard since the codex states it's severity to the umptenth degree is rapid indoctrination.

And if that's the case Shepard is officially a Mary Sue.

And TIM uses a modified Reaper control signal for Husks with his implants. The only real time Shepard is exposed to high amounts of Reaper tech that can affect him is through TIM.

He wasn't indoctriated when he talked to the Thessia VI. It was in the early , psychological, undetectable stages.

plus it only detects reaper tech, and there were indoctrinated sleeper agents that slipped by it's detection before, accoding to itself AND Javik.

and sheps body is riddle with implants so if the vi didnt detect anything how is shep indoc

why do you think the sensors are perfect, when the prothean crucible project failed due to indoctrinated individuals?

[darthoptimus003]

balance5050 wrote...

darthoptimus003 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Opsrbest wrote...

If Shepard was in any way indoctrinated, people at any given point in time the VI on the Asari home world Vendetta would have noticed it.

It is beyond breaking of the plot and the etablished lore for Shepard to be considered indoctrinated, being indoctrinated or otherwise anything to do with indoctrination. It BREAKS the narrative of Shepard. It BREAKS the lore of indoctrination.

The only allowable means of indoctrination, which would kill Shepard since the codex states it's severity to the umptenth degree is rapid indoctrination.

And if that's the case Shepard is officially a Mary Sue.

And TIM uses a modified Reaper control signal for Husks with his implants. The only real time Shepard is exposed to high amounts of Reaper tech that can affect him is through TIM.

He wasn't indoctriated when he talked to the Thessia VI. It was in the early , psychological, undetectable stages.

plus it only detects reaper tech, and there were indoctrinated sleeper agents that slipped by it's detection before, accoding to itself AND Javik.

and sheps body is riddle with implants so if the vi didnt detect anything how is shep indoc

Not Reaper implants.
 Like Saren, TIM and Kai Leng

thats my point sorry my iphone is not the best for this

[dreman9999]

darthoptimus003 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Opsrbest wrote...

If Shepard was in any way indoctrinated, people at any given point in time the VI on the Asari home world Vendetta would have noticed it.

It is beyond breaking of the plot and the etablished lore for Shepard to be considered indoctrinated, being indoctrinated or otherwise anything to do with indoctrination. It BREAKS the narrative of Shepard. It BREAKS the lore of indoctrination.

The only allowable means of indoctrination, which would kill Shepard since the codex states it's severity to the umptenth degree is rapid indoctrination.

And if that's the case Shepard is officially a Mary Sue.

And TIM uses a modified Reaper control signal for Husks with his implants. The only real time Shepard is exposed to high amounts of Reaper tech that can affect him is through TIM.

He wasn't indoctriated when he talked to the Thessia VI. It was in the early , psychological, undetectable stages.

plus it only detects reaper tech, and there were indoctrinated sleeper agents that slipped by it's detection before, accoding to itself AND Javik.

and sheps body is riddle with implants so if the vi didnt detect anything how is shep indoc

How do you miss the fact that the point is that the  VI is not perfect and too limited to be trusted as a groundpoint to seewho is indoctrinated. This is  VI ageints fleets of AI's. It has no chance to beable to keep up with them.

[balance5050]

darthoptimus003 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

darthoptimus003 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Opsrbest wrote...

If Shepard was in any way indoctrinated, people at any given point in time the VI on the Asari home world Vendetta would have noticed it.

It is beyond breaking of the plot and the etablished lore for Shepard to be considered indoctrinated, being indoctrinated or otherwise anything to do with indoctrination. It BREAKS the narrative of Shepard. It BREAKS the lore of indoctrination.

The only allowable means of indoctrination, which would kill Shepard since the codex states it's severity to the umptenth degree is rapid indoctrination.

And if that's the case Shepard is officially a Mary Sue.

And TIM uses a modified Reaper control signal for Husks with his implants. The only real time Shepard is exposed to high amounts of Reaper tech that can affect him is through TIM.

He wasn't indoctriated when he talked to the Thessia VI. It was in the early , psychological, undetectable stages.

plus it only detects reaper tech, and there were indoctrinated sleeper agents that slipped by it's detection before, accoding to itself AND Javik.

and sheps body is riddle with implants so if the vi didnt detect anything how is shep indoc

Not Reaper implants.
 Like Saren, TIM and Kai Leng

thats my point sorry my iphone is not the best for this

Right, so that's why the VI didn't detect him.

[darthoptimus003]

KingZayd wrote...

darthoptimus003 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Opsrbest wrote...

If Shepard was in any way indoctrinated, people at any given point in time the VI on the Asari home world Vendetta would have noticed it.

It is beyond breaking of the plot and the etablished lore for Shepard to be considered indoctrinated, being indoctrinated or otherwise anything to do with indoctrination. It BREAKS the narrative of Shepard. It BREAKS the lore of indoctrination.

The only allowable means of indoctrination, which would kill Shepard since the codex states it's severity to the umptenth degree is rapid indoctrination.

And if that's the case Shepard is officially a Mary Sue.

And TIM uses a modified Reaper control signal for Husks with his implants. The only real time Shepard is exposed to high amounts of Reaper tech that can affect him is through TIM.

He wasn't indoctriated when he talked to the Thessia VI. It was in the early , psychological, undetectable stages.

plus it only detects reaper tech, and there were indoctrinated sleeper agents that slipped by it's detection before, accoding to itself AND Javik.

and sheps body is riddle with implants so if the vi didnt detect anything how is shep indoc

why do you think the sensors are perfect, when the prothean crucible project failed due to indoctrinated individuals?

so how come TIM is able to control shep if the crap TIM did to himself can only control rEAper tech

[Tom Lehrer]

balance5050 wrote...

Tom Lehrer wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

He has a degree in psychology, and has overseen bioware products for 15 years, he has brought us such amazing storiies with amazing twists, KOTOR, Jade Empire, Baldures gate, etc...

He has been proving that he can do this for years. It's not like he suddenly had a stroke.

Sure your not thinking about Drew Karpyshyn?

No Mac Walters.

Edit, maybe Drew as well, but Mac Walterss definitely

Drew was the orginal lead writer for ME but left the ME team before 2 was finished. That is when Mac was made the lead. Im not totaly sure about this but did Mac even work for BioWare before Jade Empire?