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[dreman9999]

SoloPala wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

SoloPala wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

SoloPala wrote...

Prothean VI on Thessia doesn't detect indoctrination in Shepard, so no.

The prothean VI can be easilly fooled. Remeber this is the same VI that did not detect  the reaper agents that stoped the protheans crucible  project. This has been explain how many times?

Assumption.  The game literally tells you you are not indoctrinated at this point, but keep believing.

Not an assumption. Javik says it as well. In the flash back, the VI that was with javik could als detect indoctrination as well, but failed to. Javik late tells you indoctrinated agents in his ranks betrayed the progect. That's a clear indication that the VI's can be tricked.

And if you don't have javik this information isn't available to you so again, assumption, wrapped in poor writing.

So what? That just mean you don't have all the info, Not that it didn't happen. That doesn't make it an assuption.

[dreman9999]

jijeebo wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

CombustiblePanda wrote...

Another one of these threads:

"I've got evidence so it must be fact. :whistle:"

Expline how TIM is controling Shepard if Shepard is not in the process of indoctrination then?

Because he implanted himself with some crazy-ass ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL thingies that Mirandas dad designed on sanctuary?

I don't recall being told that someone needs to be partially indoctrinated for it to work, but I haven't played it in a while so I may be wrong.

Yes, but the thing is...Cerberus tech is only show to control people who they implat with reaper tech and incotrinate or other forms of indoctrination. How can Shepard be coantroled by TIM  if he doesn't have a form of indoctrination ?

[dreman9999]

dorktainian wrote...

 And YES we can beat them conventionally.

No we can't. The repaer arn't even using their full power on use....We can't beat them conventionally. The reapers can easily got a fleet of them and go from plamet to planet and glass the entire surface let alone drop asterodes on us. They can kill us all at a whime. 

[jijeebo]

dreman9999 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

CombustiblePanda wrote...

Another one of these threads:

"I've got evidence so it must be fact. :whistle:"

Expline how TIM is controling Shepard if Shepard is not in the process of indoctrination then?

Because he implanted himself with some crazy-ass ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL thingies that Mirandas dad designed on sanctuary?

I don't recall being told that someone needs to be partially indoctrinated for it to work, but I haven't played it in a while so I may be wrong.

Yes, but the thing is...Cerberus tech is only show to control people who they implat with reaper tech and incotrinate or other forms of indoctrination. How can Shepard be coantroled by TIM  if he doesn't have a form of indoctrination ?

TIMs goal was to control the reapers, why would he waste his time experimenting on pure organics? He needs to experiment on things that are infused with reaper tech because thats the key to controlling the reapers.

The fact that he never controlled normal people before Shep and Anderson doesn't mean that he couldn't have if he'd really wanted to.

[dreman9999]

jijeebo wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

CombustiblePanda wrote...

Another one of these threads:

"I've got evidence so it must be fact. :whistle:"

Expline how TIM is controling Shepard if Shepard is not in the process of indoctrination then?

Because he implanted himself with some crazy-ass ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL thingies that Mirandas dad designed on sanctuary?

I don't recall being told that someone needs to be partially indoctrinated for it to work, but I haven't played it in a while so I may be wrong.

Yes, but the thing is...Cerberus tech is only show to control people who they implat with reaper tech and incotrinate or other forms of indoctrination. How can Shepard be coantroled by TIM  if he doesn't have a form of indoctrination ?

TIMs goal was to control the reapers, why would he waste his time experimenting on pure organics? He needs to experiment on things that are infused with reaper tech because thats the key to controlling the reapers.

The fact that he never controlled normal people before Shep and Anderson doesn't mean that he couldn't have if he'd really wanted to.

That's a point for the fact that Shapard was in the process of indoctrination already when TIM took control of him. Also, your missing that fact that every cerberus soldior you fight is indoctriated. On Point, the fact remain it can't be instatly be done and never has been instatly be done that way at all, not even by the reapers. That's mae clear by everything stated about indoctrination. You also have nothing to support that fact that TIM can indindocrinate instatly.

[SoloPala]

dreman9999 wrote...

SoloPala wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

SoloPala wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

SoloPala wrote...

Prothean VI on Thessia doesn't detect indoctrination in Shepard, so no.

The prothean VI can be easilly fooled. Remeber this is the same VI that did not detect  the reaper agents that stoped the protheans crucible  project. This has been explain how many times?

Assumption.  The game literally tells you you are not indoctrinated at this point, but keep believing.

Not an assumption. Javik says it as well. In the flash back, the VI that was with javik could als detect indoctrination as well, but failed to. Javik late tells you indoctrinated agents in his ranks betrayed the progect. That's a clear indication that the VI's can be tricked.

And if you don't have javik this information isn't available to you so again, assumption, wrapped in poor writing.

So what? That just mean you don't have all the info, Not that it didn't happen. That doesn't make it an assuption.

If you don't have all the info, and the game tells you you're not indoctrinated, and you say the VI is lying, thats a massive ****ing assumption, on top of the fact that you're still assuming the VI just didn't detect an indoctrinated Shepard, when he could in fact just not be indoctrinated, assumptions assumptions assumptions.

Modifié par SoloPala, 10 mai 2012 - 03:32 .

[SoloPala]

As for you guys talking about TIM controlling shepard, Sarend did the same with Benezia, Heavy indoctrination at the level of Saren and TIM seems to allow controlling organics.

IT is just one massive assumption.

Modifié par SoloPala, 10 mai 2012 - 03:31 .

[Shepardtheshepard]

dreman9999 wrote...

SoloPala wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

SoloPala wrote...

Prothean VI on Thessia doesn't detect indoctrination in Shepard, so no.

The prothean VI can be easilly fooled. Remeber this is the same VI that did not detect  the reaper agents that stoped the protheans crucible  project. This has been explain how many times?

Assumption.  The game literally tells you you are not indoctrinated at this point, but keep believing.

Not an assumption. Javik says it as well. In the flash back, the VI that was with javik could als detect indoctrination as well, but failed to. Javik late tells you indoctrinated agents in his ranks betrayed the progect. That's a clear indication that the VI's can be tricked.

Or more likely VIs don't have a galaxy wide indoctrination dectection range. To ruin either project, no one would of had to gone near the VIs.

[Yaos]

"So no one sees that indoctrination is happening to Shepard even if we take the plot..."

Indoctrination is not happening to Shepard.

[jijeebo]

dreman9999 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

CombustiblePanda wrote...

Another one of these threads:

"I've got evidence so it must be fact. :whistle:"

Expline how TIM is controling Shepard if Shepard is not in the process of indoctrination then?

Because he implanted himself with some crazy-ass ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL thingies that Mirandas dad designed on sanctuary?

I don't recall being told that someone needs to be partially indoctrinated for it to work, but I haven't played it in a while so I may be wrong.

Yes, but the thing is...Cerberus tech is only show to control people who they implat with reaper tech and incotrinate or other forms of indoctrination. How can Shepard be coantroled by TIM  if he doesn't have a form of indoctrination ?

TIMs goal was to control the reapers, why would he waste his time experimenting on pure organics? He needs to experiment on things that are infused with reaper tech because thats the key to controlling the reapers.

The fact that he never controlled normal people before Shep and Anderson doesn't mean that he couldn't have if he'd really wanted to.

That's a point for the fact that Shapard was in the process of indoctrination already when TIM took control of him. Also, your missing that fact that every cerberus soldior you fight is indoctriated. On Point, the fact remain it can't be instatly be done and never has been instatly be done that way at all, not even by the reapers. That's mae clear by everything stated about indoctrination. You also have nothing to support that fact that TIM can indindocrinate instatly.

You completely ignored what I said.

Just because he DIDN'T, doesn't mean he CAN'T.

Just because we didn't see him instantly control anything else, also doesn't mean he can't.

None of these things are fact, they are assumptions on both sides. The only fact here is that TIM implanted his soldiers with foreign tech, and that he spent the entire game trying to unlock the secrets behind controlling the reapers by any means he could.

[dreman9999]

SoloPala wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

SoloPala wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

SoloPala wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

SoloPala wrote...

Prothean VI on Thessia doesn't detect indoctrination in Shepard, so no.

The prothean VI can be easilly fooled. Remeber this is the same VI that did not detect  the reaper agents that stoped the protheans crucible  project. This has been explain how many times?

Assumption.  The game literally tells you you are not indoctrinated at this point, but keep believing.

Not an assumption. Javik says it as well. In the flash back, the VI that was with javik could als detect indoctrination as well, but failed to. Javik late tells you indoctrinated agents in his ranks betrayed the progect. That's a clear indication that the VI's can be tricked.

And if you don't have javik this information isn't available to you so again, assumption, wrapped in poor writing.

So what? That just mean you don't have all the info, Not that it didn't happen. That doesn't make it an assuption.

If you don't have all the info, and the game tells you you're not indoctrinated, and you say the VI is lying, thats a massive ****ing assumption, on top of the fact that you're still assuming the VI just didn't detect an indoctrinated Shepard, when he could in fact just not be indoctrinated, assumptions assumptions assumptions.

Again , not having all the info does mean it doesn't happen. All that mean that it's harder for yo to see it. And I'm not stay the VI is lying. I'm say the VI is limited and is being tricked , which the reaper have been shown to beavle to do.

[dreman9999]

jijeebo wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

CombustiblePanda wrote...

Another one of these threads:

"I've got evidence so it must be fact. :whistle:"

Expline how TIM is controling Shepard if Shepard is not in the process of indoctrination then?

Because he implanted himself with some crazy-ass ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL thingies that Mirandas dad designed on sanctuary?

I don't recall being told that someone needs to be partially indoctrinated for it to work, but I haven't played it in a while so I may be wrong.

Yes, but the thing is...Cerberus tech is only show to control people who they implat with reaper tech and incotrinate or other forms of indoctrination. How can Shepard be coantroled by TIM  if he doesn't have a form of indoctrination ?

TIMs goal was to control the reapers, why would he waste his time experimenting on pure organics? He needs to experiment on things that are infused with reaper tech because thats the key to controlling the reapers.

The fact that he never controlled normal people before Shep and Anderson doesn't mean that he couldn't have if he'd really wanted to.

That's a point for the fact that Shapard was in the process of indoctrination already when TIM took control of him. Also, your missing that fact that every cerberus soldior you fight is indoctriated. On Point, the fact remain it can't be instatly be done and never has been instatly be done that way at all, not even by the reapers. That's mae clear by everything stated about indoctrination. You also have nothing to support that fact that TIM can indindocrinate instatly.

You completely ignored what I said.

Just because he DIDN'T, doesn't mean he CAN'T.

Just because we didn't see him instantly control anything else, also doesn't mean he can't.

None of these things are fact, they are assumptions on both sides. The only fact here is that TIM implanted his soldiers with foreign tech, and that he spent the entire game trying to unlock the secrets behind controlling the reapers by any means he could.

You not getting it. There has to be a how, not just it just happening. Everything about indoctrination say that their has to be a how first. Even the reaper who have been using indoctriantion for eons have to have to the process first . They can instatly have it happen. If a hpw is not shown , what you saying is just a baseless assumption.

[dreman9999]

Shepardtheshepard wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

SoloPala wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

SoloPala wrote...

Prothean VI on Thessia doesn't detect indoctrination in Shepard, so no.

The prothean VI can be easilly fooled. Remeber this is the same VI that did not detect  the reaper agents that stoped the protheans crucible  project. This has been explain how many times?

Assumption.  The game literally tells you you are not indoctrinated at this point, but keep believing.

Not an assumption. Javik says it as well. In the flash back, the VI that was with javik could als detect indoctrination as well, but failed to. Javik late tells you indoctrinated agents in his ranks betrayed the progect. That's a clear indication that the VI's can be tricked.

Or more likely VIs don't have a galaxy wide indoctrination dectection range. To ruin either project, no one would of had to gone near the VIs.

You don't thing with wjat they know about indoctrination, they would not check everyperson first before letting them on the project?  Why would they not check each person?

[Kunari801]

The final confrontation with TIM, yes, I think they were trying to indoctrinate Shepard and Anderson. But all that seemed to stop (edge of screen stuff) when TIM died.

[jijeebo]

dreman9999 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

CombustiblePanda wrote...

Another one of these threads:

"I've got evidence so it must be fact. :whistle:"

Expline how TIM is controling Shepard if Shepard is not in the process of indoctrination then?

Because he implanted himself with some crazy-ass ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL thingies that Mirandas dad designed on sanctuary?

I don't recall being told that someone needs to be partially indoctrinated for it to work, but I haven't played it in a while so I may be wrong.

Yes, but the thing is...Cerberus tech is only show to control people who they implat with reaper tech and incotrinate or other forms of indoctrination. How can Shepard be coantroled by TIM  if he doesn't have a form of indoctrination ?

TIMs goal was to control the reapers, why would he waste his time experimenting on pure organics? He needs to experiment on things that are infused with reaper tech because thats the key to controlling the reapers.

The fact that he never controlled normal people before Shep and Anderson doesn't mean that he couldn't have if he'd really wanted to.

That's a point for the fact that Shapard was in the process of indoctrination already when TIM took control of him. Also, your missing that fact that every cerberus soldior you fight is indoctriated. On Point, the fact remain it can't be instatly be done and never has been instatly be done that way at all, not even by the reapers. That's mae clear by everything stated about indoctrination. You also have nothing to support that fact that TIM can indindocrinate instatly.

You completely ignored what I said.

Just because he DIDN'T, doesn't mean he CAN'T.

Just because we didn't see him instantly control anything else, also doesn't mean he can't.

None of these things are fact, they are assumptions on both sides. The only fact here is that TIM implanted his soldiers with foreign tech, and that he spent the entire game trying to unlock the secrets behind controlling the reapers by any means he could.

You not getting it. There has to be a how, not just it just happening. Everything about indoctrination say that their has to be a how first. Even the reaper who have been using indoctriantion for eons have to have to the process first . They can instatly have it happen. If a hpw is not shown , what you saying is just a baseless assumption.

TIM isn't indoctrinating you, he is simply controlling your motor functions.

And it is shown, right there in front of my face in the game. Shep and Anderson suddenly lose control of themselves, and TIM is shown to be responsible due to the research he's been doing.

Just because it's poorly presented, doesn't mean I didn't just watch it happen.

[dreman9999]

Kunari801 wrote...

The final confrontation with TIM, yes, I think they were trying to indoctrinate Shepard and Anderson. But all that seemed to stop (edge of screen stuff) when TIM died.

What is said about indoctination?...That's it subtle. Is it odd that as soon as that scene ends, we start talking to a space kid on the out side of the citadel who looks like the kid who die on earth fro some reason. Is that even real?

[dreman9999]

jijeebo wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

CombustiblePanda wrote...

Another one of these threads:

"I've got evidence so it must be fact. :whistle:"

Expline how TIM is controling Shepard if Shepard is not in the process of indoctrination then?

Because he implanted himself with some crazy-ass ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL thingies that Mirandas dad designed on sanctuary?

I don't recall being told that someone needs to be partially indoctrinated for it to work, but I haven't played it in a while so I may be wrong.

Yes, but the thing is...Cerberus tech is only show to control people who they implat with reaper tech and incotrinate or other forms of indoctrination. How can Shepard be coantroled by TIM  if he doesn't have a form of indoctrination ?

TIMs goal was to control the reapers, why would he waste his time experimenting on pure organics? He needs to experiment on things that are infused with reaper tech because thats the key to controlling the reapers.

The fact that he never controlled normal people before Shep and Anderson doesn't mean that he couldn't have if he'd really wanted to.

That's a point for the fact that Shapard was in the process of indoctrination already when TIM took control of him. Also, your missing that fact that every cerberus soldior you fight is indoctriated. On Point, the fact remain it can't be instatly be done and never has been instatly be done that way at all, not even by the reapers. That's mae clear by everything stated about indoctrination. You also have nothing to support that fact that TIM can indindocrinate instatly.

You completely ignored what I said.

Just because he DIDN'T, doesn't mean he CAN'T.

Just because we didn't see him instantly control anything else, also doesn't mean he can't.

None of these things are fact, they are assumptions on both sides. The only fact here is that TIM implanted his soldiers with foreign tech, and that he spent the entire game trying to unlock the secrets behind controlling the reapers by any means he could.

You not getting it. There has to be a how, not just it just happening. Everything about indoctrination say that their has to be a how first. Even the reaper who have been using indoctriantion for eons have to have to the process first . They can instatly have it happen. If a hpw is not shown , what you saying is just a baseless assumption.

TIM isn't indoctrinating you, he is simply controlling your motor functions.

And it is shown, right there in front of my face in the game. Shep and Anderson suddenly lose control of themselves, and TIM is shown to be responsible due to the research he's been doing.

Just because it's poorly presented, doesn't mean I didn't just watch it happen.

The whispers and the oily shadows, that are symtoms of indoctrination, and well as buzzing noises and head ache SHepard has says otherwise.
Why did Shep have every symtom of indcotriation at once once TIM walk into the room?

[Shepardtheshepard]

dreman9999 wrote...

Shepardtheshepard wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

SoloPala wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

SoloPala wrote...

Prothean VI on Thessia doesn't detect indoctrination in Shepard, so no.

The prothean VI can be easilly fooled. Remeber this is the same VI that did not detect  the reaper agents that stoped the protheans crucible  project. This has been explain how many times?

Assumption.  The game literally tells you you are not indoctrinated at this point, but keep believing.

Not an assumption. Javik says it as well. In the flash back, the VI that was with javik could als detect indoctrination as well, but failed to. Javik late tells you indoctrinated agents in his ranks betrayed the progect. That's a clear indication that the VI's can be tricked.

Or more likely VIs don't have a galaxy wide indoctrination dectection range. To ruin either project, no one would of had to gone near the VIs.

You don't thing with wjat they know about indoctrination, they would not check everyperson first before letting them on the project?  Why would they not check each person?

Because the VI's dectection range is linked only to where the big computers they come from? Because bringing everyone (we're talking hundreds/thousands here) to the same place 3 times a week is a waste of time? Because bringing a bunch of potential reaper agents up close to the computer that holds all the information of your top secret beat the reapers plans isn't the safest thing to do?

If the VIs can be tricked (let's for this example now say they can), then how does Sheapard trick it but not Kai? You'd of thought that Shepard, who hasn't the slightest idea, wouldn't even be trying to trick the VI. Whereas Kai (who'd be in the "denial" stage at least by now) who's got implants, trying to sneak around and steal the VI would surely use this effortless VI trick?
So how does Shepard do it without the reason being a wizard did it?

[jijeebo]

dreman9999 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

TIM isn't indoctrinating you, he is simply controlling your motor functions.

And it is shown, right there in front of my face in the game. Shep and Anderson suddenly lose control of themselves, and TIM is shown to be responsible due to the research he's been doing.

Just because it's poorly presented, doesn't mean I didn't just watch it happen.

The whispers and the oily shadows, that are symtoms of indoctrination, and well as buzzing noises and head ache SHepard has says otherwise.
Why did Shep have every symtom of indcotriation at once once TIM walk into the room?

Because it's entirely likely that TIM was controlling Shepard by attacking his mind = Head pains and odd noises.


The funny on screen effect is probably just a heads up for the player that something isn't right and that TIM is being evil again...


EDIT: Quote pyramid.

Modifié par jijeebo, 10 mai 2012 - 03:58 .

[fr33stylez]

When did Shepard become indoctrinated?

Why did Shepard's thought process throughout any of the games indicate any hints on indoctrination?

Why aren't any of the squadmates showing signs either?

Why don't Shepard's closest allies notice signs of indoctrination

[SoloPala]

dreman9999 wrote...
Again , not having all the info does mean it doesn't happen. All that mean that it's harder for yo to see it. And I'm not stay the VI is lying. I'm say the VI is limited and is being tricked , which the reaper have been shown to beavle to do.

You're assuming the VI is limited and being tricked, and Shepard is indeed not indoctrinated.

[dreman9999]

Shepardtheshepard wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Shepardtheshepard wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

SoloPala wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

SoloPala wrote...

Prothean VI on Thessia doesn't detect indoctrination in Shepard, so no.

The prothean VI can be easilly fooled. Remeber this is the same VI that did not detect  the reaper agents that stoped the protheans crucible  project. This has been explain how many times?

Assumption.  The game literally tells you you are not indoctrinated at this point, but keep believing.

Not an assumption. Javik says it as well. In the flash back, the VI that was with javik could als detect indoctrination as well, but failed to. Javik late tells you indoctrinated agents in his ranks betrayed the progect. That's a clear indication that the VI's can be tricked.

Or more likely VIs don't have a galaxy wide indoctrination dectection range. To ruin either project, no one would of had to gone near the VIs.

You don't thing with wjat they know about indoctrination, they would not check everyperson first before letting them on the project?  Why would they not check each person?

Because the VI's dectection range is linked only to where the big computers they come from? Because bringing everyone (we're talking hundreds/thousands here) to the same place 3 times a week is a waste of time? Because bringing a bunch of potential reaper agents up close to the computer that holds all the information of your top secret beat the reapers plans isn't the safest thing to do?

If the VIs can be tricked (let's for this example now say they can), then how does Sheapard trick it but not Kai? You'd of thought that Shepard, who hasn't the slightest idea, wouldn't even be trying to trick the VI. Whereas Kai (who'd be in the "denial" stage at least by now) who's got implants, trying to sneak around and steal the VI would surely use this effortless VI trick?
So how does Shepard do it without the reason being a wizard did it?

You not  understanding. The VI did need time to chech for indoctination. VI can do multple things at once. What say they can Check hordes of People at one. The VI knew Kai Lang was indoctriated the sec he came into the room. The VI can detect it at a glance. So YES, they can chech hordes of peopel at one if they have the time to pick who was going to be put in Cryo.

[dreman9999]

jijeebo wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

TIM isn't indoctrinating you, he is simply controlling your motor functions.

And it is shown, right there in front of my face in the game. Shep and Anderson suddenly lose control of themselves, and TIM is shown to be responsible due to the research he's been doing.

Just because it's poorly presented, doesn't mean I didn't just watch it happen.

The whispers and the oily shadows, that are symtoms of indoctrination, and well as buzzing noises and head ache SHepard has says otherwise.
Why did Shep have every symtom of indcotriation at once once TIM walk into the room?

Because it's entirely likely that TIM was controlling Shepard by attacking his mind = Head pains and odd noises.


The funny on screen effect is probably just a heads up for the player that something isn't right and that TIM is being evil again...


EDIT: Quote pyramid.

No, it to show that TIM was trying to indoctriate Shepard. That's why we see Shepard get all the symtoms at once....Why add whispers if it was just to show that TIM wasup to know good?

[SoloPala]

dreman9999 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

TIM isn't indoctrinating you, he is simply controlling your motor functions.

And it is shown, right there in front of my face in the game. Shep and Anderson suddenly lose control of themselves, and TIM is shown to be responsible due to the research he's been doing.

Just because it's poorly presented, doesn't mean I didn't just watch it happen.

The whispers and the oily shadows, that are symtoms of indoctrination, and well as buzzing noises and head ache SHepard has says otherwise.
Why did Shep have every symtom of indcotriation at once once TIM walk into the room?

Because it's entirely likely that TIM was controlling Shepard by attacking his mind = Head pains and odd noises.


The funny on screen effect is probably just a heads up for the player that something isn't right and that TIM is being evil again...


EDIT: Quote pyramid.

No, it to show that TIM was trying to indoctriate Shepard. That's why we see Shepard get all the symtoms at once....Why add whispers if it was just to show that TIM wasup to know good?

Assumption, for all you know, TIM is succesful in controlling Reaper tech, which was the reason the reapers attacked sanctuary remember?  

[Mastodom]

dreman9999 wrote...

SoloPala wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

SoloPala wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

SoloPala wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

SoloPala wrote...

Prothean VI on Thessia doesn't detect indoctrination in Shepard, so no.

The prothean VI can be easilly fooled. Remeber this is the same VI that did not detect  the reaper agents that stoped the protheans crucible  project. This has been explain how many times?

Assumption.  The game literally tells you you are not indoctrinated at this point, but keep believing.

Not an assumption. Javik says it as well. In the flash back, the VI that was with javik could als detect indoctrination as well, but failed to. Javik late tells you indoctrinated agents in his ranks betrayed the progect. That's a clear indication that the VI's can be tricked.

And if you don't have javik this information isn't available to you so again, assumption, wrapped in poor writing.

So what? That just mean you don't have all the info, Not that it didn't happen. That doesn't make it an assuption.

If you don't have all the info, and the game tells you you're not indoctrinated, and you say the VI is lying, thats a massive ****ing assumption, on top of the fact that you're still assuming the VI just didn't detect an indoctrinated Shepard, when he could in fact just not be indoctrinated, assumptions assumptions assumptions.

Again , not having all the info does mean it doesn't happen. All that mean that it's harder for yo to see it. And I'm not stay the VI is lying. I'm say the VI is limited and is being tricked , which the reaper have been shown to beavle to do.

Well I agree with IT and maybe the VI didn't detect Shepard indoctrinated was because he wasn't. I believe the final choice you make determines if you are indoctrinated. Destroy is what Anderson chose and he was your good conscious during the final scene. Illusive man and Saren chose the other options prior and they were left indcotrinated and killed themselves. Shepard had no choice but to choose destroy or be indoctrinated.

Modifié par Mastodom, 10 mai 2012 - 04:06 .