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[Creature 1]

Well I'm glad it wasn't just that I was doing it wrong™. I think I'll go with the decision this round and next round surrender, since those routes would be most in character for this character and my next.

[Blodkjeft666]

The dialog during the imprisonment is the funniest.

Morrigan: "We're from the...Chantry?"

[Timortis]

I always kill her. I didn't even realize she was supposed to be a challenge until I read about it on the forum. I just can't bring any of my characters to surrender, it feels like a very wimpy thing to do.

[Iron Ranger]

I cast Haste and ran like He!! Only had two other party members with me due to Zerfarans defection when meeting his old lover.

[Slayer299]

Timortis - how exactly did you just breeze by her so easily? First time i ran into her with me (DW ftr), Sten, Morrg and Leliana I got my butt handed to me. My 2nd time I went in with the same group with everything up and readied, I had Morrg cast Blizzard, Tempest *and* Chain Lightning and between that and Leliana who nailed the annoying mage I killed every archer on the far side and by the door. But Ser Cauthrien just killed Sten in 4 blows, leliana in 2 and Morrg in 1 leaving me to be sliced right there after.

[Lord Phoebus]

You probably get around 500 more XP and some influence with a companion if you surrender. But beating her is so satisfying. She really isn't that tough if you separate her from her group. If I had Morrigan in my party instead of Wynne (so I could have cast sleep at the start), I wouldn't have bothered running down the hall. Anyways, after all the archer fights in the game you shouldn't find it too hard to find a tactic that works (mass CC+2 AoEs will eliminate them very quickly). Also, if one of your characters gets hit by sunder armor, or that archer ability that lowers armor, have them run until the effect wears off (or hit them with a dispel).



Hexes also work great against melee bosses, in particular misdirection (misdirections neutralizes them as well as paralysis and it makes them waste stamina on special attacks that miss) and death. Vulnerability and Affliction aren't too bad either if you use poisons that change your weapon damage to a non physical type. A DPS rogue wielding weapons doing nature damage against a target that has the V & A hexes on them is a beautiful thing to behold.

[Slayer299]

The first time I'd tried pulling back as soon as it started but I couldn't get the party to move back fast enough before we got hit with those stunning arrow hits and after that... I'll have to try the Hexes next time, thanks on that!

[nuculerman]

Slayer299 wrote...

Timortis - how exactly did you just breeze by her so easily? First time i ran into her with me (DW ftr), Sten, Morrg and Leliana I got my butt handed to me. My 2nd time I went in with the same group with everything up and readied, I had Morrg cast Blizzard, Tempest *and* Chain Lightning and between that and Leliana who nailed the annoying mage I killed every archer on the far side and by the door. But Ser Cauthrien just killed Sten in 4 blows, leliana in 2 and Morrg in 1 leaving me to be sliced right there after.

He either thought to run into Anora's room his first playthrough or he's full of crap.

Even on easy the fight is impossible in that main room without two AoE CC's and two AoE massive DPS spells.  WIthout that your entire team is dead within six or seven seconds.  I really don't care how good you think you are at this game, that is just reality.  There are eight archers all with scattershot.  And they all use it.  With fire arrows.  That's death.

And then Ser Cauthrien hits for 200-250 with her sunder abilities and unlike my 2H characters almost never misses.  Oh, and the mage automatically casts spell ward which makes neutralizing him all but impossible unless you do it immediately with a quick animation time spell like blood wound or sleep.

If anyone claims to be able to do that fight without cheesing her in the back room (on nightmare) I won't believe i unless I see it.  Because honestly, Morrigan had CoC, Sleep and waking nightmare and this is what happened:  I cast sleep on everyone in the room.  One archer resists.  He immediately casts scattershot stunning my whole team.  We wake up just before everyone else does.  Morrigan casts waking nightmare just in time.  Then she force fields Cauthrien.  She runs over and ices four archers.  My DW warrior shatters two of them instantly with whirlwind, then immediately starts attacking the other two with dual swipe.  Lelianna hits the other four archers with scattershot then moves to my DW warrior's target.  Wynne has no AoE CC attacks, she just group heals and buffs my DW warrior.  Within 20 seconds four archers are dead. and Morrigan has casted crushing prison on the mage.  Wynne stays in auto attack on the mage.  Morrigan runs to the other four archers.  CoC.  My DW warrior runs over.  Whirlwind is still on recharge.  Wynne shatters one of them, and he starts attacking the middle one along with lelianna.  Ser Cauthrien has broken free of forcefield and is attacking my DW warrior after he throws a taunt out of necessity.  Still Three archers, a mage, and Ser Cauthrien left.  Lelianna uses her remaining stamina to one shot an archer with arrow of slaying.  Wynne is still buffing and healing.  Archers break free just before Morrigan can cast another CoC and are able to fire two scattershots before she can get one off.  Simultaneously Ser Cauthrien hits my DW warrior with sunder arms.  He's dead instantly.  She charges Morrigan, who had just used CoC on the archers.  Mind blast.  Resisted.  One shots Morrigan.  At this point the mage is free.

I couldn't have micromanaged that fight anymore.  Even dragging Ser Cauthrien to the other room and instantly killing her adds with CoC, whirlwind, fighting her was crazy.  She one shot kills every single person in my party that doesn't have 90 defense and 35 armor.  And she can two shot my warrior.  My DW warrior has 36 dex and 65 str.  He does incredible damage.  Even with him and death hex she takes a good five minutes to go down.

The fact is that you're not supposed to win that fight.  Ser Cauthrien is a complete beast and could easily solo every other boss in the game.  Anyone that claims that fight was easy for them on their first try is either playing on easy or full of crap.  Probably both.

[nuculerman]

Lord Phoebus wrote...
Hexes also work great against melee bosses, in particular misdirection (misdirections neutralizes them as well as paralysis and it makes them waste stamina on special attacks that miss) and death. Vulnerability and Affliction aren't too bad either if you use poisons that change your weapon damage to a non physical type. A DPS rogue wielding weapons doing nature damage against a target that has the V & A hexes on them is a beautiful thing to behold.

Having hexed the hell out of Ser Cauthrien and giving Lelianna dual crow daggers with nature damage added, I'm going to have to say this strategy isn't exactly beautiful to behold against Cauthrien.  It helps, sure, but it's not anything amazing.  She still takes 3-5 minutes to finally bite it.

[T0paze]

Mind you, retreating to one of the rooms down the hallway is far from what I would call cheesing. On the contrary, it's a much more probable and reasonable strategy than staying in a room full of archers, giving them a huge tactical advantage. What makes it less satisfying in some cases is that after you retreat most of the guards don't follow you - this is probably an oversight on the part of the developers. However, I found a way around this. Start the fight with Blood Wound or something similarly aggressive and then retreat immediately. I my game, all of the guards followed and I was able to kill Ser Cauthrien and her guards without any serious problem. Alistair and my PC primarily concentrated on Ser Cauthrien and Wynne would knock down the guards and the mage with Fireballs and shatter frozen ones with Stone Fist. The PC would help from time to time, casting Blood Wound, Glyph of Repulsion or Cone of Cold. Leliana took care of those already half-dead guards that somehow made it into the room past that AOE nightmare. It went rather smoothly.

Modifié par T0paze, 09 décembre 2009 - 05:24 .

[Lord Phoebus]

nuculerman wrote...

Lord Phoebus wrote...
Hexes also work great against melee bosses, in particular misdirection (misdirections neutralizes them as well as paralysis and it makes them waste stamina on special attacks that miss) and death. Vulnerability and Affliction aren't too bad either if you use poisons that change your weapon damage to a non physical type. A DPS rogue wielding weapons doing nature damage against a target that has the V & A hexes on them is a beautiful thing to behold.

Having hexed the hell out of Ser Cauthrien and giving Lelianna dual crow daggers with nature damage added, I'm going to have to say this strategy isn't exactly beautiful to behold against Cauthrien.  It helps, sure, but it's not anything amazing.  She still takes 3-5 minutes to finally bite it.

It worked great with me, well I had Zev with 3 master/grandmaster damage runes in both weapons, flaming weapons from Wynne and mark of death pitching in too.   My caster used hexes, CoC, Paralyze and Petrify, and Wynne used a glyph of repulsion to discourage pursuit, petrify and a glyph of paralysis.  I know she went down fast, before misdirection hex could recharge after its intial use. 

[Original182]

Crowd-control is key to most games.

[Wolfva2]

I heard Ser Cauthrien and Duncan had a child. They named him Chuck Norris.



I did the surrender option after total pwnage; decided to let Morrigan and dog rescue me. Oh, the dialogue those two have! Had me in stitches. I ended up breaking out on my own anyways, but it's worth running a throw away game just to hear those two 'plan' your escape.

[Timortis]

Slayer299 wrote...

Timortis - how exactly did you just breeze by her so easily? First time i ran into her with me (DW ftr), Sten, Morrg and Leliana I got my butt handed to me. My 2nd time I went in with the same group with everything up and readied, I had Morrg cast Blizzard, Tempest *and* Chain Lightning and between that and Leliana who nailed the annoying mage I killed every archer on the far side and by the door. But Ser Cauthrien just killed Sten in 4 blows, leliana in 2 and Morrg in 1 leaving me to be sliced right there after.

I pull her to one of the side rooms and beat on ther there. She can't hit a Rogue with high enough Dex, misses all the time. I didn't even need potions on my solo run. Here, you can see potions aren't even on cooldown. It's on nightmare too.

[Timortis]

nuculerman wrote...

He either thought to run into Anora's room his first playthrough or he's full of crap.

Not Anora's I run into one of the rooms further down the hall. And I do that anywhere I see archers, immediately, because they always cast Scattershot. It's common sense, am I supposed to just stand there and take it?

[Kanner]

So what dex is required to be immune to melee damage? - or def ratin + boots/necklace, I guess, a short breakdown would probably go a long way towards trivialising... er, I mean... um... clarifying the situation here.

[Alphakiller]

Wolfva2 wrote...

I heard Ser Cauthrien and Duncan had a child. They named him Sandal.

fixed.

[Timortis]

You don't need a high dex rogue to beat the fight, though you can easily solo it with one. Here's me beating her with my 2H Warrior's group. Obviously 2H Warrior has very low defense, it's just a matter of rotating CC right. I was constantly knocking her down.





Used zero healing pots btw, but I had Wynn.

Modifié par Timortis, 09 décembre 2009 - 06:54 .

[Taritu]

nuculerman wrote...

 My DW warrior had 90 defense and 34 armor.  Sunder Arms as administered by Ser Cautheon did 220 damage.  Consistently.  The only way I could win that fight on nightmare was bringing her and her two adds into Anora's room.  And even then, with CoC, stone fist, and two spirit healers, my DW warrior still had to use about 6 healing pots.  

Meanwhile, with the same exact group I killed the high dragon on nightmare with 2 healing pots.  So yes, Ser Cauthrien could solo the high dragon.  Easily.  She could solo every other boss in the game.  In fact, I'm of the opinion that she could solo the high dragon, Flemeth and Galaxkang at the same time.

Like I said in another thread.  The sequel to this game is going to be me recruiting Sandal and Ser Cauthrien and letting them defeat the seventh blight for me.  Or Orleis.  Or whoever the hell I'm fighting.  Doesn't really matter.  They'll kill all of them.  I think my human noble is going to send Ser Cauthrien to conquer the Qunari.  By herself.  Sandal is going to conquer Orleis.  By himself.  And Zevran already loves me so he'll hand over Antiva.  

hahaha

Exactly.  Yes, it took me like 6 times.  I have a fast reload finger, so I never got the transition, because the moment I realized I couldn't win I'd reload.  I only found out you can lose the fight and go somewhere else from reading the boards.

Immensely frustrating.  The only other boss battle I had to reload more than once was the slaver mage.

Nest run through I'm just going to surrender.

[Celuwen]

I surrendered, then had so much fun breaking Alistair and I out of 'prison'. You have to do it once because it rocks. Will have to be rescued next time, as I've heard that's rather fab too.

[Auraad]

It's the most boring battle in the whole game. Boring in that sense, that about the only chance you have is to lure her away from all the other mobs (I use the library room at the crossing), evenatually having to kill 1-2 mobs who come along with her.

Then bash away.

At a point she was turning against my mage and she had to run away - Ser C. ran after her and the rest of my party bashed away at her.

The boring part is, that about the only chance you have is to run away with the character who currently has the aggro - one or two hits of this powerhouse usually kills anyone.

[Cyberpunk]

Creature 1 wrote...

Send the armies home, Ser Cauthrien could just solo the Archdemon.  I just fought Ser Cauthrien using v 1.01 (now I will patch)--for the fifth time.  It is shameful to admit it, but, I, I--I Force Fielded Alistair!  Not like it mattered.  She bashed him a few times and then turned to Zevran and almost butchered him multiple times before Alistair broke free.  In the end of the battle I was forced to make my mage Force Field herself because my shock spells aggravated Ser Clauthrien.  If I hadn't managed to neutralize her entire team in the very beginning the battle would have been impossible, as it is I only managed by having Alistair and Zevran chug greater health potions with great regularity, and normal and lesser ones as well.  Oh, and resurrecting Zevran twice.  It's not often a battle runs long enough that you can use Force Field (x3), Crushing Prison (x3), and resurrection (x2) multiple times. 

The first couple times I died because I tried to Blizzard them in the open room, which doesn't work so well when you have, what, ten arches hitting you with shattershot simultaneously.  We finally ran back in the hallway and I cast Blizzard from inside the hallway behind a wall, Force Fielded Ser Clauthrien in the doorway, then cast Tempest.  Later when the Blizzard ran off I dropped an Inferno and that killed all but three archers.  If they had not been told apparently to stand still like idiots and gotten missed by the first AoE spells, well, I guess they all would have run into my Blizzard and died.  So maybe that was a good plan.  

Is this battle this hard for everyone?  It is by far the hardest battle I've had, including the High Dragon and Flemeth.  I know I didn't have a good party setup--if I'd known what I was getting into I would have left Leliana and brought Morrigan, who I have set up with more curses, while my mage does almost exclusively elemental damage.  But Ser Cauthrien was doing 80-180 damage a hit.  

1.01 23 lvl Arcane Warrior/Bloodmage + 10 Potent Health Potions = Every arrow misses or does 1-2 damage. 2 Hits to finish every archer. Ser Cauthrien does 5-9 damage per hit while missing a lot. Ser Cauthrien dies to your auto attack eventually.

1.02 22 lvl Assassin/Duelist Dex build + 13 Potent Health Potions = Every arrow misses usually. 3 seconds per archer. Ser Cauthrien barely hits you. You stun Cauthrien and backstab/stealth/stun/backstab for the win.

[Lughsan35]

Auraad wrote...

It's the most boring battle in the whole game. Boring in that sense, that about the only chance you have is to lure her away from all the other mobs (I use the library room at the crossing), evenatually having to kill 1-2 mobs who come along with her.
Then bash away.
At a point she was turning against my mage and she had to run away - Ser C. ran after her and the rest of my party bashed away at her.
The boring part is, that about the only chance you have is to run away with the character who currently has the aggro - one or two hits of this powerhouse usually kills anyone.

That battle is stacked against you for a reason..you are intended to LOSE..

[Murdario]

just cast that misdirection hex spell and whoop her ass. that goes for any melee boss.

[menasure]

i could beat her the first time on my second playthrough and with the 1.02 patch but i had the fight in mind for my party selection, the tank, the gear and the overpowered skills this time and the A without the I did the rest because she was fixated the whole time on the tank even when forcefield was active on him... without that knowledge ...
let's say i tried for 6 hours on my first play through and could only get her half way. i would have just let me die sooner (standing down is not a credible option for the kind of character i played) but unfortunately i did not realize that there was a new chapter if you lost the battle so i reloaded too soon every time i was about to die completely lol

Modifié par menasure, 09 décembre 2009 - 09:55 .