And if so, wouldn't that be the biggest plot hole of them all?
Is Sheperd immune to indoctrination?
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Leafs43
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Posté 10 mai 2012 - 06:20
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No. But Shepard doesn't have to be immune to indoctrination and still be unindoctrinated in the game.
Lack of immunity towards indoctrination =/= he's indoctrinated.
Lack of immunity towards indoctrination =/= he's indoctrinated.
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Posté 10 mai 2012 - 06:21
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Nope, the current endin sequence proves it. Shep is getting indoctrinated, especially since harbinger is up in his cheese and grits and just knocked him on his ass
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Posté 10 mai 2012 - 06:21
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Valentia X wrote...
No. But Shepard doesn't have to be immune to indoctrination and still be unindoctrinated in the game.
Lack of immunity towards indoctrination =/= he's indoctrinated.
Why wouldn't the reapers want to indoctrinate Sheperd?
Sheperd is the one person that can seemingly defeat the reapers, it makes sense for them to try.
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Posté 10 mai 2012 - 06:21
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s/he's not immune and IT doesn't say that he was indoctrinated the whole time
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Posté 10 mai 2012 - 06:22
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Firecell11 wrote...
he's not immune and IT doesn't say that he was indoctrinated the whole time
IT says he was never indoctrinated until after making his final choice.
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Posté 10 mai 2012 - 06:23
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Leafs43 wrote...
Valentia X wrote...
No. But Shepard doesn't have to be immune to indoctrination and still be unindoctrinated in the game.
Lack of immunity towards indoctrination =/= he's indoctrinated.
Why wouldn't the reapers want to indoctrinate Sheperd?
Sheperd is the one person that can seemingly defeat the reapers, it makes sense for them to try.
I didn't say they didn't want to. I just don't believe he is.
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Posté 10 mai 2012 - 06:28
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Shepard is Space Batman - will of iron, baby!
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Posté 10 mai 2012 - 06:28
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Shepard is immune, but are you? This is where good writing takes over.
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Posté 10 mai 2012 - 06:32
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Iron Will or not. Anyone can break under enough pressure. IT just proves how badass Shepard really is. He can be affected, but never controlled. Unless you picked Blue or Green.
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Posté 10 mai 2012 - 06:33
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I just wish they had somebody significant become indoctrinated who you would never see coming, rather than just having it be TIM.
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Posté 10 mai 2012 - 06:40
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"You are remarkably strong willed Commander"- Liara, ME1. There's your canon answer.
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Posté 10 mai 2012 - 06:58
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It has nothing to do with being immune, he just isn't. And since people are aruging he became indoctrinated between Thessia and the ending without ever showing any indoctrination symptoms in the trilogy, you cna argue anyone in the game was indoctrinated.
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Posté 10 mai 2012 - 06:59
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Bill Casey wrote...
And if you never played Arrival and visitoed Object Rho? Or does Harbinger's threat count as successful indoctrination?
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Posté 10 mai 2012 - 07:00
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No Shepard isn't. Being part synthetic doesn't help matters, he/she will fall like the rest.
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Posté 10 mai 2012 - 07:01
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Valentia X wrote...
No. But Shepard doesn't have to be immune to indoctrination and still be unindoctrinated in the game.
Lack of immunity towards indoctrination =/= he's indoctrinated.
He kinda does. He's had an ungodly amount of exposure to Reaper technology and influence; if he's completely free of indoctrination then he must be immune .. and that's a plot hole because there is nothing to suggest that he would be.
If nothing else, he should be suffering some negative reactions from his exposure to the infra/ultrasound/electromagnetic elements of the indoctrination signal. It's one of the (many) reasons that IT is so popular; it's fairly mind-boggling to completely disregard a weapon as pernicious as indoctrination.
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Posté 10 mai 2012 - 07:03
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sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...
Shepard is immune, but are you?
If you are trying to insinuate that I am indoctrinated you are clearly mistak-SYNTHESIS IS A BRILLIANT IDEA.
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Posté 10 mai 2012 - 07:03
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fr33stylez wrote...
It has nothing to do with being immune, he just isn't. And since people are aruging he became indoctrinated between Thessia and the ending without ever showing any indoctrination symptoms in the trilogy, you cna argue anyone in the game was indoctrinated.
The IT theory doesn't even say Sheperd was indoctrinated at any time in the game.
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Posté 10 mai 2012 - 07:05
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Resistant? Yes. Immune? No.
They were going to have a segment where Shep was definitely indoctrinated, they only scrapped it because the gameplay didn't work. I know that's not in the game but it seems BW don't intend Shep to be immune.
They were going to have a segment where Shep was definitely indoctrinated, they only scrapped it because the gameplay didn't work. I know that's not in the game but it seems BW don't intend Shep to be immune.
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Posté 10 mai 2012 - 07:09
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The most he's ever spent near any Reaper source of indoctrination in canon is the derelict Reaper, which was an hour tops. Indoctrination takes days, sometimes weeks, of constant exposure to work a person down.Talogrungi wrote...
Valentia X wrote...
No. But Shepard doesn't have to be immune to indoctrination and still be unindoctrinated in the game.
Lack of immunity towards indoctrination =/= he's indoctrinated.
He kinda does. He's had an ungodly amount of exposure to Reaper technology and influence; if he's completely free of indoctrination then he must be immune .. and that's a plot hole because there is nothing to suggest that he would be.
If nothing else, he should be suffering some negative reactions from his exposure to the infra/ultrasound/electromagnetic elements of the indoctrination signal. It's one of the (many) reasons that IT is so popular; it's fairly mind-boggling to completely disregard a weapon as pernicious as indoctrination.
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Posté 10 mai 2012 - 07:10
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One brief visit to a destroyed reaper and a few momentary meetings isn't enough to indoctrinate you. Remember, Shepard may have never encountered Object Rho.
Really, if Shepard is indoctrinated then everyone on Earth and Palaven should be.
Really, if Shepard is indoctrinated then everyone on Earth and Palaven should be.
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Posté 10 mai 2012 - 07:12
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Well it's been a point of emphasis that he is incredibly strong willed. Apparently this is enough to stave off indoctrination for a while.
Also keep in mind that while he has been around a lot of Reaper forces and technology, he's never around these things for a long, extended period of time (besides Object Rho). He usually kills any Reaper forces in proximity to him within a minute or two. The only direct contact he had with a Reaper was the Derelict Reaper, which was dead and thus the process of indoctrination could not be consciously willed or controlled. Plus he was only onboard like 20-30 minutes.
The Codex says it takes days of weeks for indoctrination to take hold. But it doesn't really specify whether or not it is a cumulative effect. For example, if Shepard stood next to a Reaper for 1 minute each day for a year, would he ever be indoctrinated? Or does it have to be a continuous exposure, i.e. Shepard has to be next to a Reaper for several days, but if he leaves, the whole process starts over again?
Also keep in mind that while he has been around a lot of Reaper forces and technology, he's never around these things for a long, extended period of time (besides Object Rho). He usually kills any Reaper forces in proximity to him within a minute or two. The only direct contact he had with a Reaper was the Derelict Reaper, which was dead and thus the process of indoctrination could not be consciously willed or controlled. Plus he was only onboard like 20-30 minutes.
The Codex says it takes days of weeks for indoctrination to take hold. But it doesn't really specify whether or not it is a cumulative effect. For example, if Shepard stood next to a Reaper for 1 minute each day for a year, would he ever be indoctrinated? Or does it have to be a continuous exposure, i.e. Shepard has to be next to a Reaper for several days, but if he leaves, the whole process starts over again?
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Posté 10 mai 2012 - 07:13
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111987 wrote...
Well it's been a point of emphasis that he is incredibly strong willed. Apparently this is enough to stave off indoctrination for a while.
Also keep in mind that while he has been around a lot of Reaper forces and technology, he's never around these things for a long, extended period of time (besides Object Rho). He usually kills any Reaper forces in proximity to him within a minute or two. The only direct contact he had with a Reaper was the Derelict Reaper, which was dead and thus the process of indoctrination could not be consciously willed or controlled. Plus he was only onboard like 20-30 minutes.
The Codex says it takes days of weeks for indoctrination to take hold. But it doesn't really specify whether or not it is a cumulative effect. For example, if Shepard stood next to a Reaper for 1 minute each day for a year, would he ever be indoctrinated? Or does it have to be a continuous exposure, i.e. Shepard has to be next to a Reaper for several days, but if he leaves, the whole process starts over again?
Sheperd has been exposed to reaper tech for almost 4 years.
