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[nightcobra]

sjpelkessjpeler wrote...

*SPOILERS*




I had the import that I met Nathaniel in the deep roads instead of the dwarve's rescue. Nathaniel being a grey warden (my sibbling was there too BTW) was investigating things in there. For what reason other then the red lyrium would he be there? It was a task he was doing for the grey wardens. My guess is that they are still doing research for Avernus regarding the taint and the warden blood.

i think it has to do more with the architect and disciples, the lyrium idol had the "song" similar to what darkspawn hear in order to find an old god and create an archdemon as well coripheus's song that had a similar effect in the carta's dwarves.
there is definitely a connection between all of these.

[GodWood]

Dave of Canada wrote...
I'd hope not, let people do rational decisions themselves and let extremists be extremists without the excuse of insanity. Turning either side into insane drug-addled freaks isn't going to help anything and I think most people disliked everybody going insane at the end of DA2.

Bull's eye!

[LolaLei]

I found a couple of pictures of the lyrium idol, I'm trying to get a decent look at it to try and work out if it gives us any clue as to what it's suppose to symbolise or warn us:





And there's the blade:

[LolaLei]

sjpelkessjpeler wrote...

LolaLei it looks like it has a little shrunken head on it.

Could it be a real human/dwarve/elven head that was used to perform some kind of ritual?

I thought it looked like it was made from gold, or at least painted gold. It seems to have pointy ears like an elf though...

[LolaLei]

sjpelkessjpeler wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

sjpelkessjpeler wrote...

LolaLei it looks like it has a little shrunken head on it.

Could it be a real human/dwarve/elven head that was used to perform some kind of ritual?

I thought it looked like it was made from gold, or at least painted gold. It seems to have pointy ears like an elf though...

Hmmm, now that you mention it, the second picture does look like as if the idol has elven ears..........
could it be a dwarven made relic from Arlathan maybe?

I've no idea how Meredith managed to make a sword out of that idol though... I can only presume that it was melted down and added to some form of metal to make the blade.

I wonder if there be more than just a mention of it in DA3, it seemed like an odd thing to add to the DA2 story so maybe they do have big plans for red lyrium in the next game and they just needed some way to introduce it into the mix in DA2.

[LolaLei]

sjpelkessjpeler wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

sjpelkessjpeler wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

sjpelkessjpeler wrote...

LolaLei it looks like it has a little shrunken head on it.

Could it be a real human/dwarve/elven head that was used to perform some kind of ritual?

I thought it looked like it was made from gold, or at least painted gold. It seems to have pointy ears like an elf though...

Hmmm, now that you mention it, the second picture does look like as if the idol has elven ears..........
could it be a dwarven made relic from Arlathan maybe?

I've no idea how Meredith managed to make a sword out of that idol though... I can only presume that it was melted down and added to some form of metal to make the blade.

I wonder if there be more than just a mention of it in DA3, it seemed like an odd thing to add to the DA2 story so maybe they do have big plans for red lyrium in the next game and they just needed some way to introduce it into the mix in DA2.

Do not forget about enchantment! The red lyrium could be implemented not only by Sandal but also by the tranquil mages who are not influenced by it because of their disconnection to the fade. Dwarves aren't the only ones who can make runes in Thedas.

The red lyrium drove Bartrand mad though, whatever that thing is made of must be been strong to effect a Dwarf so quickly.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

It's like kryptonite, obviously.

Soon we'll have it in green, purple, yellow, white and black.

Taste the rainbow.

[Plaintiff]

I want red lyrium to return, and I want it to be explained. I don't believe it was the cause of Meredith's insanity, and I think anyone who claims it was isn't paying attention to her character at all.

Sequels should build on what they've already created, they should expand and introduce new concepts. Sweeping red lyrium under the rug and pretending like it never happened would be lazy storytelling. Move forward, not back.

[Rorschachinstein]

I'm not quite sure how it made so many golems

[TEWR]

Only if it has nothing to with the main people of the Mage-Templar conflict. If it finds its way into lesser Templars that really have no importance -- like Ser Krald of Tantervale -- then that's fine.

But I'd prefer if it not be used again for Templars and Seekers on the level of the Lord High Seeker.

Dave of Canada wrote...

I'd hope not, let people do rational decisions themselves and let extremists be extremists without the excuse of insanity. Turning either side into insane drug-addled freaks isn't going to help anything and I think most people disliked everybody going insane at the end of DA2.

For the Templars, that won't really work. They're already drug-addled freaks and with the Chantry gone -- their source of income, if you recall -- then they can't afford lyrium. As a result, they'll eventually go through withdrawal and will suffer the drawbacks.

Insanity, paranoia, delusions, etc.

They'd probably have to ransack villages to acquire enough money to buy lyrium from smugglers or from Orzammar just to maintain a decent hold of reality.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 19 mai 2012 - 04:34 .

[Silfren]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

For the Templars, that won't really work. They're already drug-addled freaks and with the Chantry gone -- their source of income, if you recall -- then they can't afford lyrium. As a result, they'll eventually go through withdrawal and will suffer the drawbacks.

Insanity, paranoia, delusions, etc.

I'm really curious to see how this is handled in DA3.  I imagine that templars will be broken into several factions.  It's unrealistic and implausible that all of them will run like lemmings to the sea abandon the Chantry.  Some will stay out of religious-centered loyalty to the Chantry and the Divine herself, depending on how their faith is expressed.  Others may actually even agree with her--I imagine we would see templars like Ser Evangeline in that group.  These templars would probably not have any problems with lyrium access, unless something about the war cuts off their access. 

How the other group manages to wage a war with questionable access to lyrium, especially if the conflict results in one group of templars seizing an opportunity to cut off lyrium access for the other one, will be interesting to watch.

[LolaLei]

Here's an interesting thought that someone else mentioned in another thread:

"Perhaps, since the idol is a living entity of sorts it calls out to those whom it wants to be heard. Maybe it has nothing to do with being red lyrium but rather the fact that something is in the red lyrium."

I really like that possibility. It would explain why only some people seemed to hear it's "singing" and others don't, as if it calls out to the person it wants to attach itself to, who it feels could be of use at the time.

[Urzon]

The Idol looks like a tacky statue you might buy in a souvenir store.

So...

Is it an object of worship to a primative splinter sect of dwarven culture long ago?

Or, is it a dark and twisted entity that the dwarven Shapers bound in lyrium (like the hidden boss in Legacy), and then they proceded to bury it under the Deep Roads hoping no one will ever find it again. After which, they struck it off the histories, letting it be forgotten in time. The entity then of course started corrupting the lyrium around into red lyrium.

Or perhaps, it is a combination of the two? One thing we do know though....

They dug too deep.......

Which seems to be a staple with all dwarves in fantasy.

Modifié par Urzon, 23 mai 2012 - 11:32 .

[Urzon]

sjpelkessjpeler wrote...

Interesting theory Urzon.
Sounds plausible. The only thing I'm thinking about is: are the dwarves in Orzammar capable of binding an entity in the idol? Dwarves cannot use magic............as far as we know. The dwarves from Kal Sharok could be as they developed into another direction though.

I think the idol is possesed by some kind of entity. More likely Tevinter mages preformed blood magic on it (colour red) to bind someone/thing in it. Could be an entity from the fade or maybe even their own twisted souls..........

Everything is possible here because nothing is really known.

The Malvernis codex never mentions which group of dwarves did it, though it could have been before the darkspawn destoryed most of the Deep Roads. It does imply they could so something like magic to bind stuff. Even more so, something close to blood magic as well.
 
I'm guessing the Shapers of old, not sure able the modern Shapers, were quite good a rituals. They didn't need magic themselves, they simply substituted lyrium and blood. The ritual itself worked the magic for them.