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[Ariella]

Malanek999 wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

Like other people have said, come to me when CD Projekt has made a best selling trilogy, a popular franchise, and the best martial arts rpg of all time all of which are original IPs, and then we can talk.

I get your point, a little unfair though. They are a young company with less resources but have done well so far. They are where Bioware were 10 years ago.

Bioware was a young company when they produced Jade Empire and started plans for Dragon Age, they also were still young and indie when Mass Effect started. However, judging CDPR's skills when it comes to development really can't happen until they take the risk of an original IP.

CDPR has had some sucess with the Witcher series, which is good for them (though personally I wouldn't put the Witcher series in the same league with BG 1/2 which was Bioware's first big RP duo). Telling their own stories, in worlds they created, however, is a different proposition, and it really is a fair test of their RPG development skills.

[ZackG312]

Ariella wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

Like other people have said, come to me when CD Projekt has made a best selling trilogy, a popular franchise, and the best martial arts rpg of all time all of which are original IPs, and then we can talk.

I get your point, a little unfair though. They are a young company with less resources but have done well so far. They are where Bioware were 10 years ago.

Bioware was a young company when they produced Jade Empire and started plans for Dragon Age, they also were still young and indie when Mass Effect started. However, judging CDPR's skills when it comes to development really can't happen until they take the risk of an original IP.

CDPR has had some sucess with the Witcher series, which is good for them (though personally I wouldn't put the Witcher series in the same league with BG 1/2 which was Bioware's first big RP duo). Telling their own stories, in worlds they created, however, is a different proposition, and it really is a fair test of their RPG development skills.

Wasnt Baldur's Gates just Dungeons and Dragons

[Zix13]

TheHugoGamer wrote...

CD project red is not as great with choices as people would like to think. Importing a witcher 1 game? Congratulations, you get 1 letter if you saved some dude, a small change to some lines if you saved a princess and only one of the three endings changes what happens by giving an extra character.
Hope they have a better import feature for the next game. (However, I really enjoyed both of the games).

At least the choices you made in the Witcher 2 made a difference. Like.... giving you two radically different stories. 

Modifié par Zix13, 10 mai 2012 - 09:22 .

[Montana]

Dendio1 wrote...

Tony77A wrote...

Zolt51 wrote...

Much as I love CD Projekt and the Witcher games.

Pot.

Kettle.

Black.

It's not like the Witcher 1 and 2 didn't both need an extended edition to truly fulfill their potential. Bioware is doing that, so everyone should go their merry way, right?

The Witcher 2 Enhanced edition adds about 4 hours of gameplay and cinematics, I doubt ME3 Extended cut will add more than 5 minutes of explaining space magic and shoveling in some dirt into those massive plot holes.

TW2 EE polishes an already great game with more goodness while ME3 EC tries to explain an ending noone understands.
It's kinda like CDPR polishing their gold brick while BW is poishing the turd that is the ending...

There's a big difference between adding stuff to make the game fulfill its full potential, and having to explain what the heck just happened.

Anyways, I'm hoping the extended cut will make the ending bareable, because I really want to go back to loving ME again.

Its more than 5 minutes and you know it. Of course it wont compare to witcher 2, because that had been planned from the start to include an enhanced edition alongside its console release.

I don't know, I'm hoping it will be more than 5 minutes but since they've said that there will be no new gameplay I'm sceptical we'll get more than a few minutes of cutscenes.
I also believe that the extended cut isn't something BioWare really wants to do, I believe BW thinks they released a good ending that people just don't understand.

This combined makes me think that the extended cut will be a short, uninspired attempt to smooth over the worst plotholes to shut up the dissatisfied fans, and try to win back some goodwill.

I hope I'm wrong, but I doubt it.
I'll know this summer, when I read the reviews. If it sounds ok, I might even replay ME1-3 to celebrate, but I'm not holding my breath.

[Montana]

Zix13 wrote...

TheHugoGamer wrote...

CD project red is not as great with choices as people would like to think. Importing a witcher 1 game? Congratulations, you get 1 letter if you saved some dude, a small change to some lines if you saved a princess and only one of the three endings changes what happens by giving an extra character.
Hope they have a better import feature for the next game. (However, I really enjoyed both of the games).

At least the choices you made in the Witcher 2 made a difference. Like.... giving you two radically different stories. 

Yeah, a whole different second act depending on your choice is pretty massive.

[Ariella]

ZackG312 wrote...

Ariella wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

Like other people have said, come to me when CD Projekt has made a best selling trilogy, a popular franchise, and the best martial arts rpg of all time all of which are original IPs, and then we can talk.

I get your point, a little unfair though. They are a young company with less resources but have done well so far. They are where Bioware were 10 years ago.

Bioware was a young company when they produced Jade Empire and started plans for Dragon Age, they also were still young and indie when Mass Effect started. However, judging CDPR's skills when it comes to development really can't happen until they take the risk of an original IP.

CDPR has had some sucess with the Witcher series, which is good for them (though personally I wouldn't put the Witcher series in the same league with BG 1/2 which was Bioware's first big RP duo). Telling their own stories, in worlds they created, however, is a different proposition, and it really is a fair test of their RPG development skills.

Wasnt Baldur's Gates just Dungeons and Dragons

The OP thought it was slightly unfair to compare Bioware's long years of experience to CDPR's short one, so I picked Bioware first big hit the BG series, which pretty much redefined the CRPG Dungeons and Dragons Experience and made the computer version of AD&D a real RPG with NPC interaction et al having followed the Gold Box games, which were mostly combat with a little story and very little NPC interaction characterization. I really don't see how the Witcher series has revolutionized CRPGs in any fashion.

[Cyberstrike nTo]

Dendio1 wrote...

SirCroft wrote...

As much as I can't get myself to like The Witcher series, I have the utmost respect for CD Projekt, they treat their loyal fans like BioWare used to.

The problem is so many people are starting at witcher 1 thinking the games are like mass effect.

Witcher 1 is not nearly as good as witcher 2. Its a good game for its time, but it never compared to the great rpgs out there.

I encourage newbies to just start with witcher 2. The story has no connection that they dont explain away in the first 5 minutes.

Witcher 2 is what elevated the franchise to the top tier.

The Witcher 2 EE on Xbox 360 is a great looking game with beautiful music, decent voice acting, and has an interesting world,  but try as I might I can't get into it. I think the story is very hard for me to get into, and I generally don't find Geralt all that interesting of a character. He's the standard amnesiac warrior whose past is tied into the current events.  I find the combat very annoying, and story hard to follow at times. 

  

[Zix13]

Tony77A wrote...

Zix13 wrote...

TheHugoGamer wrote...

CD project red is not as great with choices as people would like to think. Importing a witcher 1 game? Congratulations, you get 1 letter if you saved some dude, a small change to some lines if you saved a princess and only one of the three endings changes what happens by giving an extra character.
Hope they have a better import feature for the next game. (However, I really enjoyed both of the games).

At least the choices you made in the Witcher 2 made a difference. Like.... giving you two radically different stories. 

Yeah, a whole different second act depending on your choice is pretty massive.

Not just second act really. Most of the third act is determined by that choice as well. 

[FodoSatoru]

Well, I'm from Poland and I'm glad that a Polish company is so highly regarded. I haven't played The Witcher 2 yet, but it is the next position on my "to-play" list. It is interesting that despite people complaining that the protagonist of TW is "set in stone" you apparently have more freedom to decide there than in ME, at least ME3. I remember clearly that choices in TW1 mattered. And, please, I'm not talking about decisions regarding who Geralt will sleep with... I think they went the wrong way with these sex cards as well.

[stysiaq]

Interviewer: What do you think about ME3 ending?

CEO: Witcher 2 is great.

I love the Witcher series and I don't think TW2 ending was bad (I loved it personally) but theinterview is quite weird.

[ZackG312]

Cyberstrike nTo wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

SirCroft wrote...

As much as I can't get myself to like The Witcher series, I have the utmost respect for CD Projekt, they treat their loyal fans like BioWare used to.

The problem is so many people are starting at witcher 1 thinking the games are like mass effect.

Witcher 1 is not nearly as good as witcher 2. Its a good game for its time, but it never compared to the great rpgs out there.

I encourage newbies to just start with witcher 2. The story has no connection that they dont explain away in the first 5 minutes.

Witcher 2 is what elevated the franchise to the top tier.

The Witcher 2 EE on Xbox 360 is a great looking game with beautiful music, decent voice acting, and has an interesting world,  but try as I might I can't get into it. I think the story is very hard for me to get into, and I generally don't find Geralt all that interesting of a character. He's the standard amnesiac warrior whose past is tied into the current events.  I find the combat very annoying, and story hard to follow at times. 

  

Difference with a typical "amnesiac warrior" is that they dont know who they are and most of the time others dont know who that warrior is.

But Geralt does have a past and most important people in the game know him, I think it is done for the players who didnt read the books, we are finding out who is Geralt. The Witcher 1 introduced me to Dandelion and Zoltan. At first I didnt like Dandelion but it became clear how much he cared for Geralt.

[2484Stryker]

Get your greedy little paws off of CD Projekt Red, EA. They're not for you!!!

[xsdob]

Zix13 wrote...

Tony77A wrote...

Zix13 wrote...

TheHugoGamer wrote...

CD project red is not as great with choices as people would like to think. Importing a witcher 1 game? Congratulations, you get 1 letter if you saved some dude, a small change to some lines if you saved a princess and only one of the three endings changes what happens by giving an extra character.
Hope they have a better import feature for the next game. (However, I really enjoyed both of the games).

At least the choices you made in the Witcher 2 made a difference. Like.... giving you two radically different stories. 

Yeah, a whole different second act depending on your choice is pretty massive.

Not just second act really. Most of the third act is determined by that choice as well. 

So basically because I play console over pc I'm screwed out of ever experiencing a different stpry or having an impact on the plot?

Some things never change, but at least with mass effect 2 I had that stupid comic to still give my options in the game.

[sigh] Is there a save editor I could use for my xbox game of witcher 2?

Modifié par xsdob, 10 mai 2012 - 09:42 .

[ZackG312]

stysiaq wrote...

Interviewer: What do you think about ME3 ending?

CEO: Witcher 2 is great.

I love the Witcher series and I don't think TW2 ending was bad (I loved it personally) but theinterview is quite weird.

He does talk about Mass Effect 3 and how it compares to The Witcher.

"They become part of your life for quite a while. During this time you highly identify yourself with the character you play, so if suddenly, after 100+ of hours and few instalments of the series you find out that whatever you did throughout this whole time, whatever choices you made, the end is the same, well, I think that disappointment is understandable. It clearly shows that gamers expect, that their choices in the RPGs they play are really meaningful – and that’s what both the Witcher and the Witcher 2 are about."

Please read the text before commenting.

[MonkeyLungs]

stysiaq wrote...

Interviewer: What do you think about ME3 ending?

CEO: Witcher 2 is great.

I love the Witcher series and I don't think TW2 ending was bad (I loved it personally) but theinterview is quite weird.

Interviewer: What do you think about ME3 ending?

CEO: Because of the attachment people have to their characters and adventures in RPG's the removal of connection to player choice throughout the series to the ending of the trilogy stings even more than it would for a non rpg. Mass Effect was an epic that spanned 3 games over all installments and fans became very attached to Shepard and friends. In my opinion we did things differently in Witcher 2, here's how ... etc.

[liggy002]

stysiaq wrote...

Interviewer: What do you think about ME3 ending?

CEO: Witcher 2 is great.

I love the Witcher series and I don't think TW2 ending was bad (I loved it personally) but theinterview is quite weird.

In a nutshell, he did say that but he also criticized the Mass Effect 3 ending in a more indirect way if you read more into it.

[liggy002]

Stop bashing the CEO for promoting his own game you would do the same damn thing and you damn well know it. He does address the core question so don't make it sound like he doesn't.

[MonkeyLungs]

xsdob wrote...


So basically because I play console over pc I'm screwed out of ever experiencing a different stpry or having an impact on the plot?

Some things never change, but at least with mass effect 2 I had that stupid comic to still give my options in the game.

[sigh] Is there a save editor I could use for my xbox game of witcher 2?

Not sure what you are talking 'bout. The Witcher 2 on Xbox has the same branching storyline. Also there are a lot more choices that factor in to how acts 2 and 3 play out, it is not purely a binary choice, although the major choice is binary.

[Ariella]

FodoSatoru wrote...

Well, I'm from Poland and I'm glad that a Polish company is so highly regarded. I haven't played The Witcher 2 yet, but it is the next position on my "to-play" list. It is interesting that despite people complaining that the protagonist of TW is "set in stone" you apparently have more freedom to decide there than in ME, at least ME3. I remember clearly that choices in TW1 mattered. And, please, I'm not talking about decisions regarding who Geralt will sleep with... I think they went the wrong way with these sex cards as well.

I don't really have an opinion on the company as a whole as of yet since they don't have much of a portfolio. I'm trying to judge the games themselves, which I did find to be unbalanced combat wise, tiring story wise
(have both never was able to get through the first act on either). And there are choices in ME 3 that matter: Tali and the Geth come to mind or taking the Salarian Dalatross' deal. Add to that all the differences in the world between an imported character who's been through the whole series and made choices vs. a pre made character with a pre made personality. A lot of what happened in ME comes full circle in ME3, and there are a LOT of paralells between the two. Choice is a lot more sublte in ME3 because a lot of it plays on what came before, especially for import characters. A lot of the choice ends in small stories too rather than the big finale, so the game needs to be looked at as a whole rather than just the ending.

[xsdob]

MonkeyLungs wrote...

xsdob wrote...


So basically because I play console over pc I'm screwed out of ever experiencing a different stpry or having an impact on the plot?

Some things never change, but at least with mass effect 2 I had that stupid comic to still give my options in the game.

[sigh] Is there a save editor I could use for my xbox game of witcher 2?

Not sure what you are talking 'bout. The Witcher 2 on Xbox has the same branching storyline. Also there are a lot more choices that factor in to how acts 2 and 3 play out, it is not purely a binary choice, although the major choice is binary.

Witcher 2 has apparently an import feature which can alter the game in ways that people playing witcher 2 alone cannot experience, and witcher 1 is not for the xbox.

That is what is apparently going on with the game if the comments here are to be believed.

Modifié par xsdob, 10 mai 2012 - 09:48 .

[liggy002]

Joe Del Toro wrote...

I'm in the middle of a Witcher 2 game now. Never have I played a game filled with just as much aspects that I adore as I do despise. Good potential but I honestly don't see it as too much to get worked up about.

I don't know... I'd have to say that it's the best RPG i've ever played next to ME1 and ME2, Dragon Age Origins, Oblivion, and Skyrim.

[Atakuma]

xsdob wrote...

MonkeyLungs wrote...

xsdob wrote...


So basically because I play console over pc I'm screwed out of ever experiencing a different stpry or having an impact on the plot?

Some things never change, but at least with mass effect 2 I had that stupid comic to still give my options in the game.

[sigh] Is there a save editor I could use for my xbox game of witcher 2?

Not sure what you are talking 'bout. The Witcher 2 on Xbox has the same branching storyline. Also there are a lot more choices that factor in to how acts 2 and 3 play out, it is not purely a binary choice, although the major choice is binary.

Witcher 2 has apparently an import feature which can alter the game in ways that people playing witcher 2 alone cannot experience, and witcher 1 is not for the xbox.

That is what is apparently going on with the game if the comments here are to be believed.

The import does next to nothing, so it's hardly a loss.

[stysiaq]

It was far from bashing, lol, loosen up a bit.

And I can read, but the thing he saidi was like a first thing that came to everyones mind, me included.

more of the nut in that shell:

Choices should matter, TW2 is great.

True and true.

[xsdob]

Atakuma wrote...

xsdob wrote...

MonkeyLungs wrote...

xsdob wrote...


So basically because I play console over pc I'm screwed out of ever experiencing a different stpry or having an impact on the plot?

Some things never change, but at least with mass effect 2 I had that stupid comic to still give my options in the game.

[sigh] Is there a save editor I could use for my xbox game of witcher 2?

Not sure what you are talking 'bout. The Witcher 2 on Xbox has the same branching storyline. Also there are a lot more choices that factor in to how acts 2 and 3 play out, it is not purely a binary choice, although the major choice is binary.

Witcher 2 has apparently an import feature which can alter the game in ways that people playing witcher 2 alone cannot experience, and witcher 1 is not for the xbox.

That is what is apparently going on with the game if the comments here are to be believed.

The import does next to nothing, so it's hardly a loss.

So there isn't something like wrex dying if you don't import or the council is dead that can only be fixed or prevented by playing the first game?

That's a relief, I might actually rent the game now.

[Atakuma]

stysiaq wrote...

It was far from bashing, lol, loosen up a bit.

And I can read, but the thing he saidi was like a first thing that came to everyones mind, me included.

more of the nut in that shell:

Choices should matter, TW2 is great.

True and true.

More like, true and very debatable.