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[Ariella]

ZackG312 wrote...

Cyberstrike nTo wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

SirCroft wrote...

As much as I can't get myself to like The Witcher series, I have the utmost respect for CD Projekt, they treat their loyal fans like BioWare used to.

The problem is so many people are starting at witcher 1 thinking the games are like mass effect.

Witcher 1 is not nearly as good as witcher 2. Its a good game for its time, but it never compared to the great rpgs out there.

I encourage newbies to just start with witcher 2. The story has no connection that they dont explain away in the first 5 minutes.

Witcher 2 is what elevated the franchise to the top tier.

The Witcher 2 EE on Xbox 360 is a great looking game with beautiful music, decent voice acting, and has an interesting world,  but try as I might I can't get into it. I think the story is very hard for me to get into, and I generally don't find Geralt all that interesting of a character. He's the standard amnesiac warrior whose past is tied into the current events.  I find the combat very annoying, and story hard to follow at times. 

  

Difference with a typical "amnesiac warrior" is that they dont know who they are and most of the time others dont know who that warrior is.

But Geralt does have a past and most important people in the game know him, I think it is done for the players who didnt read the books, we are finding out who is Geralt. The Witcher 1 introduced me to Dandelion and Zoltan. At first I didnt like Dandelion but it became clear how much he cared for Geralt.

Actually, I think KoA:Reckoning did a better job with the amnesiac hero and it plays into the why of the story and the hero's past in the first place. Geralt's amnesia in 1 just kinda struck me as blah, and by 2 I was still board. I like Geralt more in the Last Wish anthology than either of the games.

[liggy002]

Malanek999 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

UrgentArchengel wrote...

I hope EA doesn't consider buying Projekt CD. That would be the last straw of straws. There would be no more straws to grasp after that.

CD Prokekt Red is a Polish company owned by CD Projekt Sp. z o.o..

I think it would be quite difficult for EA to buy them.

Why? As far as I am aware there is no law that stops american companies buying polish companies? Didn't EA buy Bioware for 600 million or something? I would be seriously surprised if CD Prokekt turned down such an offer if it came.

I wouldn't be surprised if they rejected the offer.  Look at how EA "actionizes" the RPGs it acquires.  Don't get me wrong, I like some of EAs games such as Battefield 3 but they took Mass Effect and took a lot of the RPG elements out of it.  I don't think that CD Projekt would need such an offer anyway, I get the feeling that they are going to do just fine.  That's just my opinion of course.

Modifié par liggy002, 10 mai 2012 - 09:55 .

[liggy002]

TheHugoGamer wrote...

CD project red is not as great with choices as people would like to think. Importing a witcher 1 game? Congratulations, you get 1 letter if you saved some dude, a small change to some lines if you saved a princess and only one of the three endings changes what happens by giving an extra character.
Hope they have a better import feature for the next game. (However, I really enjoyed both of the games).

That's ok because I don't expect that when I play the Witcher 2.  Choice isn't the main focus.  In Mass Effect 3, choice WAS SUPPOSED TO BE the MAIN focus.  We all know how that turned out.

[Atakuma]

liggy002 wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

UrgentArchengel wrote...

I hope EA doesn't consider buying Projekt CD. That would be the last straw of straws. There would be no more straws to grasp after that.

CD Prokekt Red is a Polish company owned by CD Projekt Sp. z o.o..

I think it would be quite difficult for EA to buy them.

Why? As far as I am aware there is no law that stops american companies buying polish companies? Didn't EA buy Bioware for 600 million or something? I would be seriously surprised if CD Prokekt turned down such an offer if it came.

I wouldn't be surprised if they rejected the offer.  Look at how EA "actionizes" the RPGs it acquires.  Don't get me wrong, I like some of EAs games such as Battefield 3 but they took Mass Effect and took a lot of the RPG elements out of it.  I don't think that CD Projekt would need such an offer anyway, I get the feeling that they are going to do just fine.  That's just my opinion of course.

You can't really get much more actiony than The Witcher already is.

[FodoSatoru]

Ariella wrote...

FodoSatoru wrote...

Well, I'm from Poland and I'm glad that a Polish company is so highly regarded. I haven't played The Witcher 2 yet, but it is the next position on my "to-play" list. It is interesting that despite people complaining that the protagonist of TW is "set in stone" you apparently have more freedom to decide there than in ME, at least ME3. I remember clearly that choices in TW1 mattered. And, please, I'm not talking about decisions regarding who Geralt will sleep with... I think they went the wrong way with these sex cards as well.

I don't really have an opinion on the company as a whole as of yet since they don't have much of a portfolio. I'm trying to judge the games themselves, which I did find to be unbalanced combat wise, tiring story wise
(have both never was able to get through the first act on either). And there are choices in ME 3 that matter: Tali and the Geth come to mind or taking the Salarian Dalatross' deal. Add to that all the differences in the world between an imported character who's been through the whole series and made choices vs. a pre made character with a pre made personality. A lot of what happened in ME comes full circle in ME3, and there are a LOT of paralells between the two. Choice is a lot more sublte in ME3 because a lot of it plays on what came before, especially for import characters. A lot of the choice ends in small stories too rather than the big finale, so the game needs to be looked at as a whole rather than just the ending.

I'm happy that the company is at least recognised. I get the feeling that choices thoughout the ME ended up rather cosmetic, they add flavour, but don't really change much. Yes, you get to invest emotionally in your character making these cosmetic choices but it really doesn't matter at the end, does it? Also, I think the choices in TW are more morally gray, while in ME we have the saint and the jerk alternative. And nearly every single one of the saint's choices are the correct (read: rewarding) ones.

[liggy002]

Atakuma wrote...

liggy002 wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

UrgentArchengel wrote...

I hope EA doesn't consider buying Projekt CD. That would be the last straw of straws. There would be no more straws to grasp after that.

CD Prokekt Red is a Polish company owned by CD Projekt Sp. z o.o..

I think it would be quite difficult for EA to buy them.

Why? As far as I am aware there is no law that stops american companies buying polish companies? Didn't EA buy Bioware for 600 million or something? I would be seriously surprised if CD Prokekt turned down such an offer if it came.

I wouldn't be surprised if they rejected the offer.  Look at how EA "actionizes" the RPGs it acquires.  Don't get me wrong, I like some of EAs games such as Battefield 3 but they took Mass Effect and took a lot of the RPG elements out of it.  I don't think that CD Projekt would need such an offer anyway, I get the feeling that they are going to do just fine.  That's just my opinion of course.

You can't really get much more actiony than The Witcher already is.

It is "actiony" but it stays true to traditional RPG elements unlike Mass Effect 2 and 3.  Mass Effect 3 was supposed to bring these elements back: i.e. multiple towns and more exploration.  However, it did not.

[clos]

If not for the actual occult settting and pornography of the Witcher which I don't really like I actually think it's a good franchise.

Take note Bioware. No crappy DLCs on release date, no nickel and diming your customers, free Enhanced edition upgrade and most importantly the choices matter and no crap ending. This is how RPG philosophy should go.

[ZackG312]

liggy002 wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

liggy002 wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

UrgentArchengel wrote...

I hope EA doesn't consider buying Projekt CD. That would be the last straw of straws. There would be no more straws to grasp after that.

CD Prokekt Red is a Polish company owned by CD Projekt Sp. z o.o..

I think it would be quite difficult for EA to buy them.

Why? As far as I am aware there is no law that stops american companies buying polish companies? Didn't EA buy Bioware for 600 million or something? I would be seriously surprised if CD Prokekt turned down such an offer if it came.

I wouldn't be surprised if they rejected the offer.  Look at how EA "actionizes" the RPGs it acquires.  Don't get me wrong, I like some of EAs games such as Battefield 3 but they took Mass Effect and took a lot of the RPG elements out of it.  I don't think that CD Projekt would need such an offer anyway, I get the feeling that they are going to do just fine.  That's just my opinion of course.

You can't really get much more actiony than The Witcher already is.

It is "actiony" but it stays true to traditional RPG elements unlike Mass Effect 2 and 3.  Mass Effect 3 was supposed to bring these elements back: i.e. multiple towns and more exploration.  However, it did not.

In Mass Effect 3 you get 1 town and NO exploration

Modifié par ZackG312, 10 mai 2012 - 10:12 .

[liggy002]

ZackG312 wrote...

liggy002 wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

liggy002 wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

UrgentArchengel wrote...

I hope EA doesn't consider buying Projekt CD. That would be the last straw of straws. There would be no more straws to grasp after that.

CD Prokekt Red is a Polish company owned by CD Projekt Sp. z o.o..

I think it would be quite difficult for EA to buy them.

Why? As far as I am aware there is no law that stops american companies buying polish companies? Didn't EA buy Bioware for 600 million or something? I would be seriously surprised if CD Prokekt turned down such an offer if it came.

I wouldn't be surprised if they rejected the offer.  Look at how EA "actionizes" the RPGs it acquires.  Don't get me wrong, I like some of EAs games such as Battefield 3 but they took Mass Effect and took a lot of the RPG elements out of it.  I don't think that CD Projekt would need such an offer anyway, I get the feeling that they are going to do just fine.  That's just my opinion of course.

You can't really get much more actiony than The Witcher already is.

It is "actiony" but it stays true to traditional RPG elements unlike Mass Effect 2 and 3.  Mass Effect 3 was supposed to bring these elements back: i.e. multiple towns and more exploration.  However, it did not.

In Mass Effect 1 you get 1 town and NO exploration

Mass Effect 1?  There are 3 towns and Mako planetery exploration.

[ZackG312]

clos wrote...

If not for the actual occult settting and pornography of the Witcher which I don't really like I actually think it's a good franchise.

Take note Bioware. No crappy DLCs on release date, no nickel and diming your customers, free Enhanced edition upgrade and most importantly the choices matter and no crap ending. This is how RPG philosophy should go.

Yeah the nudity is a bit much.
But the games world does capture you.

[ZackG312]

liggy002 wrote...

ZackG312 wrote...

liggy002 wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

liggy002 wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

UrgentArchengel wrote...

I hope EA doesn't consider buying Projekt CD. That would be the last straw of straws. There would be no more straws to grasp after that.

CD Prokekt Red is a Polish company owned by CD Projekt Sp. z o.o..

I think it would be quite difficult for EA to buy them.

Why? As far as I am aware there is no law that stops american companies buying polish companies? Didn't EA buy Bioware for 600 million or something? I would be seriously surprised if CD Prokekt turned down such an offer if it came.

I wouldn't be surprised if they rejected the offer.  Look at how EA "actionizes" the RPGs it acquires.  Don't get me wrong, I like some of EAs games such as Battefield 3 but they took Mass Effect and took a lot of the RPG elements out of it.  I don't think that CD Projekt would need such an offer anyway, I get the feeling that they are going to do just fine.  That's just my opinion of course.

You can't really get much more actiony than The Witcher already is.

It is "actiony" but it stays true to traditional RPG elements unlike Mass Effect 2 and 3.  Mass Effect 3 was supposed to bring these elements back: i.e. multiple towns and more exploration.  However, it did not.

In Mass Effect 1 you get 1 town and NO exploration

Mass Effect 1?  There are 3 towns and Mako planetery exploration.

lol sorry about that meant 3

[Phaedra Sanguine]

 Oh cool, a Witcher advertisement. Get out of here.

[Xellith]

Hopefully there is more to come in ME3... hell Im still hoping for a ME3 Extended edition that fixes most of the problems..

Modifié par Xellith, 10 mai 2012 - 10:16 .

[Ariella]

FodoSatoru wrote...

Ariella wrote...

FodoSatoru wrote...

Well, I'm from Poland and I'm glad that a Polish company is so highly regarded. I haven't played The Witcher 2 yet, but it is the next position on my "to-play" list. It is interesting that despite people complaining that the protagonist of TW is "set in stone" you apparently have more freedom to decide there than in ME, at least ME3. I remember clearly that choices in TW1 mattered. And, please, I'm not talking about decisions regarding who Geralt will sleep with... I think they went the wrong way with these sex cards as well.

I don't really have an opinion on the company as a whole as of yet since they don't have much of a portfolio. I'm trying to judge the games themselves, which I did find to be unbalanced combat wise, tiring story wise
(have both never was able to get through the first act on either). And there are choices in ME 3 that matter: Tali and the Geth come to mind or taking the Salarian Dalatross' deal. Add to that all the differences in the world between an imported character who's been through the whole series and made choices vs. a pre made character with a pre made personality. A lot of what happened in ME comes full circle in ME3, and there are a LOT of paralells between the two. Choice is a lot more sublte in ME3 because a lot of it plays on what came before, especially for import characters. A lot of the choice ends in small stories too rather than the big finale, so the game needs to be looked at as a whole rather than just the ending.

I'm happy that the company is at least recognised. I get the feeling that choices thoughout the ME ended up rather cosmetic, they add flavour, but don't really change much. Yes, you get to invest emotionally in your character making these cosmetic choices but it really doesn't matter at the end, does it? Also, I think the choices in TW are more morally gray, while in ME we have the saint and the jerk alternative. And nearly every single one of the saint's choices are the correct (read: rewarding) ones.

Actually ME3 now rewards for rep attached to no paradigm, but I've always been about the journey, and what may seem cosmetic to you in choices to me is shaping Shepard. And I was surprised how many of the Renagade actions and comments were more pragmantic than "jerky" and some of the Paragon actions and comments aren't exactly saintly (I'm thinking Shep and Vega's confrontations at the beginning and some of the conversation options with Aria). And sometimes the ending is not what you expect or anything can prepare you for, kinda like life. As I said before, the ending of ME3 reminded me a lot of the end of the Shadow War in Babylon 5, where the huge space combat was not the how it was going to end, but something much deeper and much more human ended it.

[FodoSatoru]

Are you people insane? How is he suppose to discuss ME as a fellow designer without comparing it with his own work? Apparently, in capitalism everything can be considered a product placement...

[KrAzY WiSh]

Do I need to have played The Witcher in order to enjoy/understand The Witcher 2?

[Atakuma]

liggy002 wrote...
It is "actiony" but it stays true to traditional RPG elements unlike Mass Effect 2 and 3.  Mass Effect 3 was supposed to bring these elements back: i.e. multiple towns and more exploration.  However, it did not.

They never said they would be doing any of that. What they promised was deeper customization i.e. expanded skill trees and weapon mods. 

[ZackG312]

KrAzY WiSh wrote...

Do I need to have played The Witcher in order to enjoy/understand The Witcher 2?

You understand who is Geralt and Triss and The Wild Hunt and what is happening to him.

[Darth_Trethon]

BioWare has so much to learn from CD Projekt Red it's insane.....also from Obsidian, the creators of Alpha Protocol and Fallout: New Vegas....some of the best games ever in terms of choice and consequence right up there with Witcher 2.

[Atakuma]

Xellith wrote...

Hopefully there is more to come in ME3... hell Im still hoping for a ME3 Extended edition that fixes most of the problems..

This is not a reasonable thing to hope for. Bioware doesn't have an alternate revenue stream to subsidize that like CDprojekt Red does.

[ZackG312]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

BioWare has so much to learn from CD Projekt Red it's insane.....also from Obsidian, the creators of Alpha Protocol and Fallout: New Vegas....some of the best games ever in terms of choice and consequence right up there with Witcher 2.

Obsidian is way underrated, Alpha Protocol was a good game.

[xsdob]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

BioWare has so much to learn from CD Projekt Red it's insane.....also from Obsidian, the creators of Alpha Protocol and Fallout: New Vegas....some of the best games ever in terms of choice and consequence right up there with Witcher 2.

Is it bad that I don't care about the consequence, but more about the ability to make the choice in the first place and the overall story regardless of the C&C?

I like shaping my character, more so than I like what my decison will have in store for me.

This is a pretty dumb thing to post here but I just noticed it now and finally had a way to but it in semicoherant words.

Modifié par xsdob, 10 mai 2012 - 10:26 .

[FodoSatoru]

ZackG312 wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

BioWare has so much to learn from CD Projekt Red it's insane.....also from Obsidian, the creators of Alpha Protocol and Fallout: New Vegas....some of the best games ever in terms of choice and consequence right up there with Witcher 2.

Obsidian is way underrated, Alpha Protocol was a good game.

Chris Avellone is the emperor of video game writers.

[Darth_Trethon]

ZackG312 wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

BioWare has so much to learn from CD Projekt Red it's insane.....also from Obsidian, the creators of Alpha Protocol and Fallout: New Vegas....some of the best games ever in terms of choice and consequence right up there with Witcher 2.

Obsidian is way underrated, Alpha Protocol was a good game.

Yes....the reviews of Alpha Protocol always seemed a bit off and fishy to me....way too low, the game deserved a lot more than that. But then again I suppose ME3's reviews which completely ignore a variety of issues to rate the game all perfect show us what they're really worth....they were probably mad at Obsidian for not paying them.