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[Darth_Trethon]

Fandango9641 wrote...

The line about 16 endings made me giggle.

It IS true though....the game really, genuinely DOES have 16 endings....technically you could call them variations of two but that's really not fair because the differences really are substantial. But what's more important these endings are based on the choices made from the beginning of the game not a last minuute conversation with a troll.

Modifié par Darth_Trethon, 10 mai 2012 - 10:40 .

[FodoSatoru]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Fandango9641 wrote...

The line about 16 endings made me giggle.

It IS true though....the game really, genuinely DOES have 16 endings....technically you could call them variations of two but that's really not fair because the differences really are substantial. But what's more important these endings are based on the choices made from the beginning of the game not a last minuute conversation with a troll.

I bet there is more variety to them than to the ME3 ones. So CD Projekt doesn't lie. At least not as much as BioWare.

[matthewmi]

Did you expect a competitor in the RPG space to say lots of great things? Also witcher 2 redid the end as well....

[Darth_Trethon]

Fandango9641 wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Fandango9641 wrote...

The line about 16 endings made me giggle.

It IS true though....the game really, genuinely DOES have 16 endings....technically you could call them variations of two but that's really not fair because the differences really are substantial. But what's more important these endings are based on the choices made from the beginning of the game not a last minuute conversation with a troll.

Oh I know (I've played both Witcher games and love them both)! The line tickled me because I'm pretty sure it was a measured jab at Bioware.

A well deserved jab...I hope they felt it too.

[In Exile]

He's embellishing about the number of unique endings, but they're more than just a colour change.

[Tirranek]

Tony77A wrote...

Zix13 wrote...

TheHugoGamer wrote...

CD project red is not as great with choices as people would like to think. Importing a witcher 1 game? Congratulations, you get 1 letter if you saved some dude, a small change to some lines if you saved a princess and only one of the three endings changes what happens by giving an extra character.
Hope they have a better import feature for the next game. (However, I really enjoyed both of the games).

At least the choices you made in the Witcher 2 made a difference. Like.... giving you two radically different stories. 

Yeah, a whole different second act depending on your choice is pretty massive.

But still not as good as having three chapters that are completely interchangable, with outcomes changing depending on the order you do them.   (Guess what game that is)

On the Subject of Witcher vs ME series, I really think they're trying to accomplish different things. TW2 seems for more comfortable as a standalone game than ME 2&3. It certainly branches more than Mass Effect ever does, with regards to plot, but I haven't yet seen it treat character stories as well.

Also, something just rubs me the wrong way when my choices boil down to:

1. Kill the vampires. 
2. Bone the vampires.

[FodoSatoru]

Tirranek wrote...

Tony77A wrote...

Zix13 wrote...

TheHugoGamer wrote...

CD project red is not as great with choices as people would like to think. Importing a witcher 1 game? Congratulations, you get 1 letter if you saved some dude, a small change to some lines if you saved a princess and only one of the three endings changes what happens by giving an extra character.
Hope they have a better import feature for the next game. (However, I really enjoyed both of the games).

At least the choices you made in the Witcher 2 made a difference. Like.... giving you two radically different stories. 

Yeah, a whole different second act depending on your choice is pretty massive.

But still not as good as having three chapters that are completely interchangable, with outcomes changing depending on the order you do them.   (Guess what game that is)

On the Subject of Witcher vs ME series, I really think they're trying to accomplish different things. TW2 seems for more comfortable as a standalone game than ME 2&3. It certainly branches more than Mass Effect ever does, with regards to plot, but I haven't yet seen it treat character stories as well.

Also, something just rubs me the wrong way when my choices boil down to:

1. Kill the vampires. 
2. Bone the vampires.

You must bed them if you decide to let them live? I don't remember. However, that choice is otherwise a lot deeper and more complex. It's not just genitals all over.

Modifié par FodoSatoru, 10 mai 2012 - 11:23 .

[Tirranek]

FodoSatoru wrote...

Tirranek wrote...

Tony77A wrote...

Zix13 wrote...

TheHugoGamer wrote...

CD project red is not as great with choices as people would like to think. Importing a witcher 1 game? Congratulations, you get 1 letter if you saved some dude, a small change to some lines if you saved a princess and only one of the three endings changes what happens by giving an extra character.
Hope they have a better import feature for the next game. (However, I really enjoyed both of the games).

At least the choices you made in the Witcher 2 made a difference. Like.... giving you two radically different stories. 

Yeah, a whole different second act depending on your choice is pretty massive.

But still not as good as having three chapters that are completely interchangable, with outcomes changing depending on the order you do them.   (Guess what game that is)

On the Subject of Witcher vs ME series, I really think they're trying to accomplish different things. TW2 seems for more comfortable as a standalone game than ME 2&3. It certainly branches more than Mass Effect ever does, with regards to plot, but I haven't yet seen it treat character stories as well.

Also, something just rubs me the wrong way when my choices boil down to:

1. Kill the vampires. 
2. Bone the vampires.

You must bed them if you decide to let them live? I don't remember. However, that choise is otherwise a lot more deeper and more complex. It's not just genitals all over.

I'm playing my Geralt basically as a mixture of Batman and the X-Men, i.e. helps humans even though they mistrust him, heavy vigilante streak but thinks outside the box when it comes to dealing with special monster cases. In that case, yup, I had to screw my way into a good situation. Doesn't help that I'm trying to leave the whole baseball cards sexual conquests thing alone, except for a somewhat 'serious' relationship with Triss.

Not saying it's a bad game, but there is a LOT of hypocritical standards when it comes to angry Bioware fans and these two series. CDProjeckt abandoning Shani in TW2, regardless of potentially significant choices in 1, seem to be brushed under the carpet. If Bioware had done anything like that with Mass Effect, they would be crucified. Add to that criticisms such as the gameplay in the Witcher being way better, I can safely say that Chapter 2 of TW1 was one of the most drearily boring things I've played, outside of a few cool parts.

Modifié par Tirranek, 10 mai 2012 - 11:22 .

[balance5050]

liggy002 wrote...

I actually greatly enjoyed the combat but each gamer is different in this regard. The sword clashing combat reminded of the Prince of Persia classic version's combat which is what I loved ever since I played that game.

I'm a wierdo who frequently uses an XBOX controller on his PC games, Witcher 2 seemed designed for a controller.

[Darth_Trethon]

balance5050 wrote...

liggy002 wrote...

I actually greatly enjoyed the combat but each gamer is different in this regard. The sword clashing combat reminded of the Prince of Persia classic version's combat which is what I loved ever since I played that game.

I'm a wierdo who frequently uses an XBOX controller on his PC games, Witcher 2 seemed designed for a controller.

I saw Diablo III catch some of this criticism from some previews and it does seem to be true....but then again Blizzard is making no secret of the fact they're working on the 360 and PS3 versions.

[matthewmi]

The combat in the witcher series is very weak, the game is good but lots of people are praising it just to jab Bioware.

[cremrock]

TW2: Enhanced Edition was released 11 months after TW2 was originally released. As torch and pitchfork-ey as some people are right now (and understandably so), perhaps we should evaluate the two against each other after 11 months have passed from ME3's release date. Then we will at least have a valid comparison as to who fixed what, which company has done a better job addressing problems in their game, etc.

Modifié par cremrock, 10 mai 2012 - 11:30 .

[Malanek]

KrAzY WiSh wrote...

Do I need to have played The Witcher in order to enjoy/understand The Witcher 2?

Not really. The start might be a little jarring but I would actually recomend new players skip TW1 and then if they really like TW2 its up to them whether they pick it up later.

[Tirranek]

cremrock wrote...

TW2: Enhanced Edition was released 11 months after TW2 was originally released. As torch and pitchfork-ey as some people are right now (and understandably so), perhaps we should evaluate the two against each other after 11 months have passed from ME3's release date. Then we will at least have a valid comparison as to who fixed what, which company has done a better job addressing problems in their game, etc.

This is most sensible.

[Malanek]

Tirranek wrote...

cremrock wrote...

TW2: Enhanced Edition was released 11 months after TW2 was originally released. As torch and pitchfork-ey as some people are right now (and understandably so), perhaps we should evaluate the two against each other after 11 months have passed from ME3's release date. Then we will at least have a valid comparison as to who fixed what, which company has done a better job addressing problems in their game, etc.

This is most sensible.

The thing is I had already lost interest in the game by this point. I do actually intend at some stage to come back to it but I believe the majority of people will never see the enhanced additions. So although it is good that the two companies in question both accept criticism and decide to try and fix things, its not anywhere near as good as getting it right in the first place.

[nrcrane]

The Witcher games were great, but I think people are forgetting just how many issues those games had when they were released.

When the Witcher first came out it had so many bugs that it was literally unplayable, so it just sat on my shelf for about a year.

Even though I thought the Witcher 2 improved on just about everything from the first game it still had a lot of issues. The combat was clunky, no tutorial, a lot of bugs, no support for certain USB accessories, and many more and still has the worst key mapping system out of any game I can think of that has come out in the last 5 or so years.

I'm not trying to bash the Witcher games, but people seem to be forgetting all the problems they have had and continue to have.

[xsdob]

Tirranek wrote...

cremrock wrote...

TW2: Enhanced Edition was released 11 months after TW2 was originally released. As torch and pitchfork-ey as some people are right now (and understandably so), perhaps we should evaluate the two against each other after 11 months have passed from ME3's release date. Then we will at least have a valid comparison as to who fixed what, which company has done a better job addressing problems in their game, etc.

This is most sensible.

Im okay with this.

[CavScout]

Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...

Deathstroke123 wrote...

So are we forgetting that CD-Projekt completely ballsed up their ending as well?

Nope. 
But they handled the situation better. 

No they didn't. They just happened to be making a port and let those who have the game get the enhancments. Do you think the changes would have happened if they weren't selling it on XBox?

[Karolus_V]

matthewmi wrote...

Did you expect a competitor in the RPG space to say lots of great things? Also witcher 2 redid the end as well....

Ehm, if I remmeber correctly, Bioware and CD projekt Red always had good relations, at least in the past ( I hope they continue to have).I can be wrong, but Bioware "helped" Cd projekt in their "birth" . At bare minimum The witcher uses a heavily modified Neverwinter Nights engine (a modification that puts the one Obsidian blurted for Neverwinter Nights 2 in shame), and, I remark, I can be wrong, but Bioware backed them somehow.

Of course, being civil, the ones and the others can make public comments about the others company games, in my opinion.

[Atakuma]

Fandango9641 wrote...

It's easier for some to give CDPR a pass because honesty, integrity and generosity goes a long, long way.

They've done nothing but give away free stuff, which they can only do because they own their own digital distribution service. With the way people praise them you'd think they were saints.

[ZackG312]

Atakuma wrote...

Fandango9641 wrote...

It's easier for some to give CDPR a pass because honesty, integrity and generosity goes a long, long way.

They've done nothing but give away free stuff, which they can only do because they own their own digital distribution service. With the way people praise them you'd think they were saints.

compared to bioware they look like saints

[Atakuma]

ZackG312 wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

Fandango9641 wrote...

It's easier for some to give CDPR a pass because honesty, integrity and generosity goes a long, long way.

They've done nothing but give away free stuff, which they can only do because they own their own digital distribution service. With the way people praise them you'd think they were saints.

compared to bioware they look like saints

Do you have something of substance to contribute, or is that it?