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[Zolt51]

Opsrbest wrote...

This thread is the reason why EA plunders our wallets with day one DLC. People who don't even know or care about game design difference all herding into one thread to shout their distaste for the masses.

Really comparing TW2 to Skyrim or ME and saying it's better is beyond the height of stupidity.

Keep cool buddy. Most of us here love all of the above and don't play favourites.

I think the point is more to compare Bioware's and CDProjekt's attitude towards their customers rather than the games proper. As I see it the attitude is about the same: They're both making an extended cut to address fan complaints. CDProjeckt is being a bit more apologetic about it, whereas Bioware's answer still has a hint of pride and defiance within it. 

Personally I'll judge both on results.

Modifié par Zolt51, 11 mai 2012 - 03:53 .

[Chromie]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

I've never played the Witcher games, partially because the whole focus on porn turns me off .

Lol, you have no idea what porn is do you?

[Darth_Trethon]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

I've never played the Witcher games, partially because the whole focus on porn turns me off and partially because I already have lots and lots of playing to do simply with the games I have before considering new stuff, so I don't really have an opinion on them.

It does annoy me, though, that a lot of the Witcher fans here tend to make comments like "ME sucks horse dong, TW is the savior of humanity."

Hyperbole, but they tend to bash BW pretty indiscriminately, which is unnecessary.

It ultimately comes down to how we have been treated by the two companies really.

CD Projekt Red gave all their DLC for free, players that bought the original Witcher 2 on the PC can upgrade to the Enhanced Edition for free and players that bought the Enhanced Edition for the 360 can get a free copy without DRM for the PC....and above all they never lied to us or tried to manipulate us.

EA and BioWare lied and lied and lied and failed to deliver and then they had day 1 paid DLC that you would not get unless you bought the CE which was $80....so for the complete game you either had to pay $70 or $80. Then they lied about the Origin exclusive AT-12 SG preorder bonus.....they NEVER not once told players in any sort of fine print that if you bought the 360 or PS3 versions of Origin you would not get it....may preordered from them and even bought multiple copies to get everything only to find they were cheated out of content by blatantly false advertisement. Then when the ending debacle started they did nothing but insult and attack the players and acted like it was our fault after they LIED to us. Frankly I am around to wait for the EC but past ME3 my dealings with EA and BioWare may just be over.

[CavScout]

Zany Jedi wrote...

CavScout wrote...

Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...

Deathstroke123 wrote...

So are we forgetting that CD-Projekt completely ballsed up their ending as well?

Nope. 
But they handled the situation better. 

No they didn't. They just happened to be making a port and let those who have the game get the enhancments. Do you think the changes would have happened if they weren't selling it on XBox?

Witcher 1 never came to consoles. Still got EE.

Sex cards... yay....

[indyracing]

Leafs43 wrote...

Projekt CD is doing things right.

Went from a no name company to a direct rival to bioware in 2 titles.

Unfortunately, they will, eventually, be bought by some bigger company that sees them as profitable, and they'll change from a company that makes great games, and therefore make money, to a company that makes games to make lots of money.

And thus continues the repeated cycle of great gaming developers going to the profit graveyard, until another one rises to take it's place (because that's what consumers actually want - great games!).

[Darth_Trethon]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

But ultimately the comparrison really isn't that wild....all three games fall within the same genre....western RPGs.

<_

It damn well is.....I don't care how big you think the differences are if I'm looking for a racing game and I wish to compare them not only CAN I but I absolutely 100% SHOULD.....espcially because of the differences, to see exactly which type of racing game most pleases me. Trying to invalidate the comparrison or telling people that they somehow can't or shouldn't is plain stupid. Hell a gamer that is first getting into gaming SHOULD even compare different games from wildly different genres to discover what genres and what subgenres of games most appeal to him/her. So YES, the comparrisons are a VERY valid.

[ZackG312]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Opsrbest wrote...

This thread is the reason why EA plunders our wallets with day one DLC. People who don't even know or care about game design difference all herding into one thread to shout their distaste for the masses.

Really comparing TW2 to Skyrim or ME and saying it's better is beyond the height of stupidity.

I can clearly understand the differences but those are beyond the point....the point is that as a customer I will always buy the games from a company I can trust and that will provide me the most enjoyment. CD Projekt red has been incredibly generous and reasonable....hell I can get the PC version FREE just because I bought the 360 version....without DRM!!! And their game is one of the very best I played in nearly a decade. EA can try to keep going for cheap attempts to plunder our pockets as you put it but plain and simply I'll be done with them. BioWare is in a very precarious position because they lied and plundered us for money and then they completely failed to deliver. Companies like CD Projekt red clearly prove that we the players DO have options and Bethesda while never as generous as CD Projekt Red has always delivered both quality and quantity for what the gamers paid.....so from this point of view it is far more than reasonable to compare these three games.

I can compare a racing game to Mass Effect if I want and call it better....why? because as a gamer that is MY prerogative NOT yours nor EA's nor BioWare's....what I am comparing is the enjoyment provided and whether it was worth my time and money.

But ultimately the comparrison really isn't that wild....all three games fall within the same genre....western RPGs. What I ultimately choose is which of these games is most worth my next 100 hours og gameplay and $100. I may not have the time for all three or one may not feel like it's worth my time...I also know people that don't have the money for all three....almost every fan has friends and tells his/her friends how good/bad a certain game may be....this ultimately makes a huge difference and generates or costs them a lot of sales. EA and BioWare can keed doing what they've been doing but it will be their downfall.

This man knows what he is talking about.

[Darth_Trethon]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

It damn well is.....I don't care how big you think the differences are if I'm looking for a racing game and I wish to compare them not only CAN I but I absolutely 100% SHOULD.....espcially because of the differences, to see exactly which type of racing game most pleases me. Trying to invalidate the comparrison or telling people that they somehow can't or shouldn't is plain stupid. Hell a gamer that is first getting into gaming SHOULD even compare different games from wildly different genres to discover what genres and what subgenres of games most appeal to him/her. So YES, the comparrisons are a VERY valid.

Now see, I agree with you here...but you said back there that ME Skyrim and TW are the same type of RPG. Which they aren't.

They all fall within the same genre....western RPGs....subgenres are a different matter...there are Acttion-RPGs, CRPGs and so on, hell even western RPG is a subgenre of RPG that also shelters JRPGs....ultimately no two games will be the same so you can start szeparating them into space-pink-pony-including RPG and RPG without space-pink-ponies or something.....all irrelevant to the argument. You started off by trying to say people shouldn't compare the three games you are clearly and copmpletely wrong.

Modifié par Darth_Trethon, 11 mai 2012 - 04:10 .

[ZackG312]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

But ultimately the comparrison really isn't that wild....all three games fall within the same genre....western RPGs.

<_

it is they are all racing games. and I compare BF3, Halo, and COD.

[Malanek]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

SPOILERS




You rescued Triss (directly or indirectly), killed (or released) the Kingslayer, had the option to save the kings bastard children, stopped the circle of enchantresses seizing political control of the region, had the option of freeing Saskia or killing her. And that is just off the top of my head from a game I haven't played in a year. You haven't found Yennifer or got to the bottom of the hunt but I am assuming that ongoing theme will be in the next version.

There were plenty of answers and more than enough closure for me. Some endings were better than others. ME3 was the end of a trilogy and the end of Shepard's story. It is not the end of Geralt's story. That makes a huge difference in how things should conclude.

So? For you. For you doesn't make it wrong for the people who thought diffirently.

Tons of people were disappointed with the ending and the dragon sucked.

CDPR listened to fan feedback and revised the ending.

"Witcher 2 ending disappointing" is a suggestion when you type in "witcher 2 ending".

Well I asked what was wrong with it? I was hoping for some examples. 

[ZackG312]

Skelter192 wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

I've never played the Witcher games, partially because the whole focus on porn turns me off .

Lol, you have no idea what porn is do you?

so in a game that shows a King getting decapitated, another who gets his throats cut in front of his children, talk of women getting kidnapped and raped. You are afriad women's breast, grow up man. Having sex is a natural part of life.

[Chromie]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

You're right, I gave the wrong impression.

What I meant to say was, they're three different types of racing games. Completely different. Just like ME, Skyrim, and presumably TW are different types.

 Well ME and Witcher 2 are similar IMO. Both have an emphasis on story while Skyrim is about the world so I don't see the point in that comparison as for better? Well I prefer story over sandbox style games but Skyrim is awesome but I have over 400 hours in Witcher 2 >.>

[Zany Jedi]

CavScout wrote...

Zany Jedi wrote...

CavScout wrote...

Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...

Deathstroke123 wrote...

So are we forgetting that CD-Projekt completely ballsed up their ending as well?

Nope. 
But they handled the situation better. 

No they didn't. They just happened to be making a port and let those who have the game get the enhancments. Do you think the changes would have happened if they weren't selling it on XBox?

Witcher 1 never came to consoles. Still got EE.

Sex cards... yay....

Sex cards weren't added by the EE.

[Dendio1]

Skelter192 wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

I've never played the Witcher games, partially because the whole focus on porn turns me off .

Lol, you have no idea what porn is do you?

TO BAD FOR HIM. He'll never stick around to realize that the  reason people make such a big deal about Witcher 2 is because the sexuality is only icing ontop of a delicious cake of a game.

Modifié par Dendio1, 11 mai 2012 - 04:53 .

[Dendio1]

Those who want to do nothing but stack petty half truths against the series YOUR LOSS. The game is great fun, the rest of us will be enjoying it regardless of your ignorance

Modifié par Dendio1, 11 mai 2012 - 04:34 .

[Wabajakka]

All I can say is TW2 out did any ME game in every way in terms of consequences/results after choices in the game. Even some sidequests have staggering variability to them depending on the choices you make.

I've been completely stunned by the difference in my 2nd playthrough of the game with the big Chapter 1 choice that changes Ch 2. It gives an entirely different perspective on the main plot and flips any choices I made on the 1st playthrough on it's head, making me second guess everything, I don't even think I know how it's going to end even though I already beat it!! 

Not saying TW2 makes the ME series bad, because ME is one of the greatest sci-fi franchises around and the choice the game provides IS great and the story is fantastic, but god damn TW2 makes it look like child's play. Can't wait for TW3.

Modifié par Orange Tee, 11 mai 2012 - 04:46 .

[FatalX7.0]

ZackG312 wrote...

Skelter192 wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

I've never played the Witcher games, partially because the whole focus on porn turns me off .

Lol, you have no idea what porn is do you?

so in a game that shows a King getting decapitated, another who gets his throats cut in front of his children, talk of women getting kidnapped and raped. You are afriad women's breast, grow up man. Having sex is a natural part of life.

Bewbies are scary.

Modifié par FatalX7.0, 11 mai 2012 - 04:54 .

[Dendio1]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

Those who want to do nothing but stack petty half truths against the series YOUR LOSS. The game is great fun, the rest of us will be enjoying it regardless of your ignorance

See, it's stuff like this that turns me off. Needless insults.

I only say ignorance because the majority of those who don't see beyond sex cards and sex have never played the campaign in Witcher 2. Thus they are ignorant to the game.

BMX XXX had nudity and it was terrible. Witcher 2 has nudity and its great.
If the core game wasent phenomenal nobody would care about it...not even Dave Mirra

Modifié par Dendio1, 11 mai 2012 - 04:57 .

[FatalX7.0]

Dendio1 wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

Those who want to do nothing but stack petty half truths against the series YOUR LOSS. The game is great fun, the rest of us will be enjoying it regardless of your ignorance

See, it's stuff like this that turns me off. Needless insults.

I only say ignorance because the majority of those who don't see beyond sex cards and sex have never played the campaign in Witcher 2. Thus they are ignorant to the game.

BMX XXX had nudity and it was terrible. Witcher 2 has nudity and its great.
If the core game wasent phenomenal nobody would care about it...not even Dave Mirra

CDP did a playboy shoot for Triss.

You can buy the magazine in Poland, and you might be able to get it shipped to the US, if you're desperate enough to try.

Modifié par FatalX7.0, 11 mai 2012 - 05:05 .