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[Walsh1980]

I've mentioned this before too, I don't think it's accidental on their part either.

Modifié par Walsh1980, 11 mai 2012 - 02:52 .

[Seival]

Sepharih wrote...

Seival wrote...

bro_9009 wrote...

If we rotate this image 180 degrees, Destroy becomes Paragon choice (like persuasion attempts on the wheel). And Control is Renegade, Synthesis - something useless.

Then Investigate should turn into the usual "I should go", or like "Die, you bastard, I'm not going to persuade you". Shame we don't get this in the game.

I don't like this idea. TIM's desire to control the Reapers doesn't make the option renegade. You should look at Control option from another perspective. As I said, in Control ending Shepard can stop the Reaper threat without killing anyone in the process. Even Shepard herself/himself stays alive without any kind of "secret cutscene" involved. She/He just become a new Catalist or Reaper. Control is pure Paragon option.

Yeah...if you take the self admitted originator of the entire galactic Genocide at face value, which is something I flat out refuse to do.  Especially not after I just convinced the Illusive man to shoot himself because neither he or humanity was ready for such power.  Control is an absolute power that is destined to corrupt absolutely, and it's thematically inconssistent with the themes of the story.

Well, I disagree that Control the Reapers = absolute power... Also I disagree that any kind of power (even absolute) will 100% corrupt someone. It depends on person who has this power. Shepard can just send the Reapers back to darkspace and put them into sleep mode. After that Shepard can make sure that Reapers will never wake up again... Or, Shepard can wake up Reapers to use them against some threats, that may occur in subsecquent games in Mass Effect Universe  

[Sepharih]

Seival wrote...

Sepharih wrote...

Seival wrote...

bro_9009 wrote...

If we rotate this image 180 degrees, Destroy becomes Paragon choice (like persuasion attempts on the wheel). And Control is Renegade, Synthesis - something useless.

Then Investigate should turn into the usual "I should go", or like "Die, you bastard, I'm not going to persuade you". Shame we don't get this in the game.

I don't like this idea. TIM's desire to control the Reapers doesn't make the option renegade. You should look at Control option from another perspective. As I said, in Control ending Shepard can stop the Reaper threat without killing anyone in the process. Even Shepard herself/himself stays alive without any kind of "secret cutscene" involved. She/He just become a new Catalist or Reaper. Control is pure Paragon option.

Yeah...if you take the self admitted originator of the entire galactic Genocide at face value, which is something I flat out refuse to do.  Especially not after I just convinced the Illusive man to shoot himself because neither he or humanity was ready for such power.  Control is an absolute power that is destined to corrupt absolutely, and it's thematically inconssistent with the themes of the story.

Well, I disagree that Control the Reapers = absolute power... Also I disagree that any kind of power (even absolute) will 100% corrupt someone. It depends on person who has this power. Shepard can just send the Reapers back to darkspace and put them into sleep mode. After that Shepard can make sure that Reapers will never wake up again... Or, Shepard can wake up Reapers to use them against some threats, that may occur in subsecquent games in Mass Effect Universe  

If you assume spacebrat is being completely honest and upfront, then replacing him and controlling the reapers effectively makes Shepard an imortal God, and no one man should have that much power.  It's not a thing mankind was ready for even IF they could control it.  Again, my paragon Shepard just told TIM exactly that before he shot himself in revelation of what he had become.
How exactly is this supposed to be a pure paragon option when it's effectively the antithesis of the entire paragon arc and the exact goal of the character who embodies the renegade ideal?

[Seival]

Sepharih wrote...

Seival wrote...

Sepharih wrote...

Seival wrote...

bro_9009 wrote...

If we rotate this image 180 degrees, Destroy becomes Paragon choice (like persuasion attempts on the wheel). And Control is Renegade, Synthesis - something useless.

Then Investigate should turn into the usual "I should go", or like "Die, you bastard, I'm not going to persuade you". Shame we don't get this in the game.

I don't like this idea. TIM's desire to control the Reapers doesn't make the option renegade. You should look at Control option from another perspective. As I said, in Control ending Shepard can stop the Reaper threat without killing anyone in the process. Even Shepard herself/himself stays alive without any kind of "secret cutscene" involved. She/He just become a new Catalist or Reaper. Control is pure Paragon option.

Yeah...if you take the self admitted originator of the entire galactic Genocide at face value, which is something I flat out refuse to do.  Especially not after I just convinced the Illusive man to shoot himself because neither he or humanity was ready for such power.  Control is an absolute power that is destined to corrupt absolutely, and it's thematically inconssistent with the themes of the story.

Well, I disagree that Control the Reapers = absolute power... Also I disagree that any kind of power (even absolute) will 100% corrupt someone. It depends on person who has this power. Shepard can just send the Reapers back to darkspace and put them into sleep mode. After that Shepard can make sure that Reapers will never wake up again... Or, Shepard can wake up Reapers to use them against some threats, that may occur in subsecquent games in Mass Effect Universe  

If you assume spacebrat is being completely honest and upfront, then replacing him and controlling the reapers effectively makes Shepard an imortal God, and no one man should have that much power.  It's not a thing mankind was ready for even IF they could control it.  Again, my paragon Shepard just told TIM exactly that before he shot himself in revelation of what he had become.
How exactly is this supposed to be a pure paragon option when it's effectively the antithesis of the entire paragon arc and the exact goal of the character who embodies the renegade ideal?

Each paragon reply in the final dialogue with TIM is actually a proof that Shepard is ready to control the Reapers, and TIM isn't (and never was). Control ending is not about following TIM's footsteps, it's about stopping the Reapers without additional deaths of innocent people. 

[Hadeedak]

Hahah, neat!

[Mylia Stenetch]

EnvyTB075 wrote...

I figured that out when i was looking at it, and was still confused as to why Control was "paragon"...

Technically when looking at the wheel the paragon and renegade are on the opposite sides as shown in the image the OP posted.

If you want to slap colors to the choices that would make:
Red = Paragon = Destory - Altrusistic primary pragmatic secondary.
Blue = Renegade = Control - Pragmatic primary altrusistic secondary.

Also I caught this a while ago in my first playthough and was playing around with the idea of writing something up on it.

[Grimwick]

Seival wrote...

bro_9009 wrote...

If we rotate this image 180 degrees, Destroy becomes Paragon choice (like persuasion attempts on the wheel). And Control is Renegade, Synthesis - something useless.

Then Investigate should turn into the usual "I should go", or like "Die, you bastard, I'm not going to persuade you". Shame we don't get this in the game.

I don't like this idea. TIM's desire to control the Reapers doesn't make the option renegade. You should look at Control option from another perspective. As I said, in Control ending Shepard can stop the Reaper threat without killing anyone in the process. Even Shepard herself/himself stays alive without any kind of "secret cutscene" involved. She/He just become a new Catalist or Reaper. Control is pure Paragon option.

Control is no different to destroy (ignoring geth here as 1/3 choices they are dead + they are mostly insignificant on the grand scale of the universe) except that it leaves Shepard in control of a full fleet of thousands of sentient hyperadvanced weapons of mass destruction.

Being able to control an army of machines built purely to eradicate all life? That is NOT a paragon option at all.

[Sepharih]

Seival wrote...

Sepharih wrote...

Seival wrote...

Sepharih wrote...

Seival wrote...

bro_9009 wrote...

If we rotate this image 180 degrees, Destroy becomes Paragon choice (like persuasion attempts on the wheel). And Control is Renegade, Synthesis - something useless.

Then Investigate should turn into the usual "I should go", or like "Die, you bastard, I'm not going to persuade you". Shame we don't get this in the game.

I don't like this idea. TIM's desire to control the Reapers doesn't make the option renegade. You should look at Control option from another perspective. As I said, in Control ending Shepard can stop the Reaper threat without killing anyone in the process. Even Shepard herself/himself stays alive without any kind of "secret cutscene" involved. She/He just become a new Catalist or Reaper. Control is pure Paragon option.

Yeah...if you take the self admitted originator of the entire galactic Genocide at face value, which is something I flat out refuse to do.  Especially not after I just convinced the Illusive man to shoot himself because neither he or humanity was ready for such power.  Control is an absolute power that is destined to corrupt absolutely, and it's thematically inconssistent with the themes of the story.

Well, I disagree that Control the Reapers = absolute power... Also I disagree that any kind of power (even absolute) will 100% corrupt someone. It depends on person who has this power. Shepard can just send the Reapers back to darkspace and put them into sleep mode. After that Shepard can make sure that Reapers will never wake up again... Or, Shepard can wake up Reapers to use them against some threats, that may occur in subsecquent games in Mass Effect Universe  

If you assume spacebrat is being completely honest and upfront, then replacing him and controlling the reapers effectively makes Shepard an imortal God, and no one man should have that much power.  It's not a thing mankind was ready for even IF they could control it.  Again, my paragon Shepard just told TIM exactly that before he shot himself in revelation of what he had become.
How exactly is this supposed to be a pure paragon option when it's effectively the antithesis of the entire paragon arc and the exact goal of the character who embodies the renegade ideal?

Each paragon reply in the final dialogue with TIM is actually a proof that Shepard is ready to control the Reapers, and TIM isn't (and never was). Control ending is not about following TIM's footsteps, it's about stopping the Reapers without additional deaths of innocent people. 

Each paragon reply is an affirmation that TIM, humanity, and shepard are not ready to control the reapers because shepard flat out states: "We're not ready".
Shepard even says: "If we destroy the reapers, this ends today, but if you can't control them.....are you willing to bet humanity's existance on it?"
If you take the ending at face value, Shepard pulls a complete 180 in the five minutes between convincing the illusive man to shoot himself, and the ride up to the literal Deus Ex Machina.  There's no way around that.

[Ingvarr Stormbird]

If was colored blue and located up right, don't question the colors, this is blasphemy!

Modifié par Ingvarr Stormbird, 11 mai 2012 - 06:24 .

[Ultra Prism]

Catamantaloedis wrote...

I chuckled.

Me too!

Hah

[Seival]

FTL forums

[FellishBeast]

ediskrad327 wrote...

OH MY GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD

[Seival]

Sepharih wrote...

Seival wrote...

Sepharih wrote...

Seival wrote...

Sepharih wrote...

Seival wrote...

bro_9009 wrote...

If we rotate this image 180 degrees, Destroy becomes Paragon choice (like persuasion attempts on the wheel). And Control is Renegade, Synthesis - something useless.

Then Investigate should turn into the usual "I should go", or like "Die, you bastard, I'm not going to persuade you". Shame we don't get this in the game.

I don't like this idea. TIM's desire to control the Reapers doesn't make the option renegade. You should look at Control option from another perspective. As I said, in Control ending Shepard can stop the Reaper threat without killing anyone in the process. Even Shepard herself/himself stays alive without any kind of "secret cutscene" involved. She/He just become a new Catalist or Reaper. Control is pure Paragon option.

Yeah...if you take the self admitted originator of the entire galactic Genocide at face value, which is something I flat out refuse to do.  Especially not after I just convinced the Illusive man to shoot himself because neither he or humanity was ready for such power.  Control is an absolute power that is destined to corrupt absolutely, and it's thematically inconssistent with the themes of the story.

Well, I disagree that Control the Reapers = absolute power... Also I disagree that any kind of power (even absolute) will 100% corrupt someone. It depends on person who has this power. Shepard can just send the Reapers back to darkspace and put them into sleep mode. After that Shepard can make sure that Reapers will never wake up again... Or, Shepard can wake up Reapers to use them against some threats, that may occur in subsecquent games in Mass Effect Universe  

If you assume spacebrat is being completely honest and upfront, then replacing him and controlling the reapers effectively makes Shepard an imortal God, and no one man should have that much power.  It's not a thing mankind was ready for even IF they could control it.  Again, my paragon Shepard just told TIM exactly that before he shot himself in revelation of what he had become.
How exactly is this supposed to be a pure paragon option when it's effectively the antithesis of the entire paragon arc and the exact goal of the character who embodies the renegade ideal?

Each paragon reply in the final dialogue with TIM is actually a proof that Shepard is ready to control the Reapers, and TIM isn't (and never was). Control ending is not about following TIM's footsteps, it's about stopping the Reapers without additional deaths of innocent people. 

Each paragon reply is an affirmation that TIM, humanity, and shepard are not ready to control the reapers because shepard flat out states: "We're not ready".
Shepard even says: "If we destroy the reapers, this ends today, but if you can't control them.....are you willing to bet humanity's existance on it?"
If you take the ending at face value, Shepard pulls a complete 180 in the five minutes between convincing the illusive man to shoot himself, and the ride up to the literal Deus Ex Machina.  There's no way around that.

Did you know that usually the ones who fairly admit that they are not ready, are actually much more ready to something than anyone else?... I'm talking about moral and responsibility, not some "shopping process". Listening to my Paragon Shepard I had to admit, that she is ready to Control the Reapers, and to the following responsibility.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

It also looks like a pitchfork! Catalyst is teh debil.

Modifié par sH0tgUn jUliA, 11 mai 2012 - 07:59 .

[jstme]

Seival wrote...
Did you know that usually the ones who fairly admit that they are not ready, are actually much more ready to something than anyone else?... I'm talking about moral and responsibility, not some "shopping process". Listening to my Paragon Shepard I had to admit, that she is ready to Control the Reapers, and to the following responsibility.

Only your paragon Shepard died. Whoever controls the reapers is no longer her/him. Nothing more then a virtual replica of the person that paragon once was. A program.
And however exact that replica might be ,it will still not be 100% the same individual and make the same desicions.
Plus , Geth - programs and hive mind with  much more superior intelligence then Shepard can have - consider reapers much more intelligent then the consensus. So program that tries to mimic Shepard to best of its abilities now tries to control numerous, powerfull, vastly much more intelligent reapers.
I do not see it ending well. But you are entitled to your respected opinion, of course. And i could be wrong.

[Merchant2006]

ARSHI*STIC INTEGRITY!

[Seival]

jstme wrote...

Seival wrote...
Did you know that usually the ones who fairly admit that they are not ready, are actually much more ready to something than anyone else?... I'm talking about moral and responsibility, not some "shopping process". Listening to my Paragon Shepard I had to admit, that she is ready to Control the Reapers, and to the following responsibility.

Only your paragon Shepard died. Whoever controls the reapers is no longer her/him. Nothing more then a virtual replica of the person that paragon once was. A program.
And however exact that replica might be ,it will still not be 100% the same individual and make the same desicions.
Plus , Geth - programs and hive mind with  much more superior intelligence then Shepard can have - consider reapers much more intelligent then the consensus. So program that tries to mimic Shepard to best of its abilities now tries to control numerous, powerfull, vastly much more intelligent reapers.
I do not see it ending well. But you are entitled to your respected opinion, of course. And i could be wrong.

I can't call this "died". I'd rather call it "survived + heavily upgraded". She will not be the same person... She will be much better person, when she will become new Catalist or a Reaper.

[Sepharih]

Seival wrote...

Sepharih wrote...

Seival wrote...

Sepharih wrote...

Seival wrote...

Sepharih wrote...

Seival wrote...

bro_9009 wrote...

If we rotate this image 180 degrees, Destroy becomes Paragon choice (like persuasion attempts on the wheel). And Control is Renegade, Synthesis - something useless.

Then Investigate should turn into the usual "I should go", or like "Die, you bastard, I'm not going to persuade you". Shame we don't get this in the game.

I don't like this idea. TIM's desire to control the Reapers doesn't make the option renegade. You should look at Control option from another perspective. As I said, in Control ending Shepard can stop the Reaper threat without killing anyone in the process. Even Shepard herself/himself stays alive without any kind of "secret cutscene" involved. She/He just become a new Catalist or Reaper. Control is pure Paragon option.

Yeah...if you take the self admitted originator of the entire galactic Genocide at face value, which is something I flat out refuse to do.  Especially not after I just convinced the Illusive man to shoot himself because neither he or humanity was ready for such power.  Control is an absolute power that is destined to corrupt absolutely, and it's thematically inconssistent with the themes of the story.

Well, I disagree that Control the Reapers = absolute power... Also I disagree that any kind of power (even absolute) will 100% corrupt someone. It depends on person who has this power. Shepard can just send the Reapers back to darkspace and put them into sleep mode. After that Shepard can make sure that Reapers will never wake up again... Or, Shepard can wake up Reapers to use them against some threats, that may occur in subsecquent games in Mass Effect Universe  

If you assume spacebrat is being completely honest and upfront, then replacing him and controlling the reapers effectively makes Shepard an imortal God, and no one man should have that much power.  It's not a thing mankind was ready for even IF they could control it.  Again, my paragon Shepard just told TIM exactly that before he shot himself in revelation of what he had become.
How exactly is this supposed to be a pure paragon option when it's effectively the antithesis of the entire paragon arc and the exact goal of the character who embodies the renegade ideal?

Each paragon reply in the final dialogue with TIM is actually a proof that Shepard is ready to control the Reapers, and TIM isn't (and never was). Control ending is not about following TIM's footsteps, it's about stopping the Reapers without additional deaths of innocent people. 

Each paragon reply is an affirmation that TIM, humanity, and shepard are not ready to control the reapers because shepard flat out states: "We're not ready".
Shepard even says: "If we destroy the reapers, this ends today, but if you can't control them.....are you willing to bet humanity's existance on it?"
If you take the ending at face value, Shepard pulls a complete 180 in the five minutes between convincing the illusive man to shoot himself, and the ride up to the literal Deus Ex Machina.  There's no way around that.

Did you know that usually the ones who fairly admit that they are not ready, are actually much more ready to something than anyone else?... I'm talking about moral and responsibility, not some "shopping process". Listening to my Paragon Shepard I had to admit, that she is ready to Control the Reapers, and to the following responsibility.

Nope, sorry, that logic doesn't apply because even if you believe space brat this isn't something that's thrust upon Shepard.  It's a choice he/she actively has to make.  Shepard has to actively choose to completely ignore everything he/she just told TIM and decide that they're now somehow special and ready to take control of the giant genocidal monsters that are infamous for corrupting and controling people.
For a paragon shep, it's inescapably hypocritical.

Modifié par Sepharih, 11 mai 2012 - 09:00 .

[Candidate 88766]

Thats actually quite interesting. And it strengthens the idea that control is paragon and destroy is renegade.

Paragon choices are generally about taking risks in order to solve a greater threat. You risk giving the rachni and the heretic geth a second chance so that they might help against the greater threat of the Reapers. You save the Council despite the risk of not being able to defeat Sovereign, because of the risk the loss of the Council poses to galactic stability. You destroy the collector base because of the risk Cerberus might pose to the galaxy once/if the reapers are defeated. Paragon choices are generally risky in the short run, with the aim of solving the long term problems. Control is very much paragon in this regard - you take the risk of trying to control the Reapers, and allowing them to live, in order to ensure there is a solution to the long-term threat: that synthetics and organics will eventually come to blows again, and synthetics will win.

Renegade choices on the other hand are all about ensuring galactic safety by eliminating all threats. Sovereign is the immediate threat, so you sacrifice the Council. The heretic geth and the rachni are an immediate threat, so you wipe them out despite the fact that they may be able to help you against the long term threat of the Reapers. You keep the collector base because of the imminent threat of the Reapers, despite the potential risk Cerberus poses in the long run. With regards to the endings, destroy focuses on the short term risk - the Reapers - and ignore the long-term risk - the eventual extinction of organic life at the hands of synthetics. Hence why I think its the renegade choice.

The paragon and renegade dialogue choices often boil down to 'good' and 'evil-ish', but the paragon and renegade story choices generally follow this pattern - paragon choices focus on the long-term threat despite the short-term risks of the choice, and renegade choices focus on elminating the short term threat despite the consequences in the long run. Neither is painted as 'good' or 'bad', so people trying to say that contol is renegade because it is represrnted by TIM or that destroy is paragon because its represented by Anderson are, in my opinion, a bit off the mark. But this is just my interpretation of the endings.

Modifié par Candidate 88766, 11 mai 2012 - 09:31 .

[ananna21]

I'm thinking this either unintentional or really bad idea thought as witty.Oh the cruel bitter irony that makes somehow dislike the endings more.

[Sepharih]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Thats actually quite interesting. And it strengthens the idea that control is paragon and destroy is renegade.

Paragon choices are generally about taking risks in order to solve a greater threat. You risk giving the rachni and the heretic geth a second chance so that they might help against the greater threat of the Reapers. You save the Council despite the risk of not being able to defeat Sovereign, because of the risk the loss of the Council poses to galactic stability. You destroy the collector base because of the risk Cerberus might pose to the galaxy once/if the reapers are defeated. Paragon choices are generally risky in the short run, with the aim of solving the long term problems. Control is very much paragon in this regard - you take the risk of trying to control the Reapers, and allowing them to live, in order to ensure there is a solution to the long-term threat: that synthetics and organics will eventually come to blows again, and synthetics will win.

Renegade choices on the other hand are all about ensuring galactic safety by eliminating all threats. Sovereign is the immediate threat, so you sacrifice the Council. The heretic geth and the rachni are an immediate threat, so you wipe them out despite the fact that they may be able to help you against the long term threat of the Reapers. You keep the collector base because of the imminent threat of the Reapers, despite the potential risk Cerberus poses in the long run. With regards to the endings, destroy focuses on the short term risk - the Reapers - and ignore the long-term risk - the eventual extinction of organic life at the hands of synthetics. Hence why I think its the renegade choice.

The paragon and renegade dialogue choices often boil down to 'good' and 'evil-ish', but the paragon and renegade story choices generally follow this pattern - paragon choices focus on the long-term threat despite the short-term risks of the choice, and renegade choices focus on elminating the short term threat despite the consequences in the long run. Neither is painted as 'good' or 'bad', so people trying to say that contol is renegade because it is represrnted by TIM or that destroy is paragon because its represented by Anderson are, in my opinion, a bit off the mark. But this is just my interpretation of the endings.

Problem with that is, I reject the premise that space brat proposes with the technological singularity alltogether.  I suspect most Paragon's do.  Because no matter what he (a previously unseen character that I have no reason to trust whatsoever) says, I have been shown information in the story that directly contradicts him thanks to Rannoch and the Geth.  Not to mention that the central themes of the entire series are determinism versus fatalism and the beauty and strength of unity with diversity.
That being the case, if you want to talk longterm and short term, let's see how they stack up (not counting the things they all have in common like the mass relays)

Synthesis:
Short term:  Reapers alive.  All life in the galaxy changed to something new.
Long term: Unknown, difficult to speculate...very vauge what this change means or the effects...but reapers are out there still.

Control:
Short term: Reapers alive.  Shepard in control.
Long term:  Unknown, difficult to say.  Shepard may control the reapers, but as he is no longer human it can be hard to say how long he will remain himself...assuming he still does....and the reapers are still out there even if they're not currently a threat to the immediate future.

Destroy:
Short term:  Reapers are dead.  All synthetic life wiped out.
Long Term:  Inevitably, organics will continue to create synthetic life....but there is a possibilty that, as happend with the Geth, differences can be put aside and coexistance might be possible.  Life can determine its own destiny.  Only one thing is certain:  Reapers are dead.  They are no longer a threat to any form of life.

Modifié par Sepharih, 12 mai 2012 - 12:44 .

[Praetor Knight]

Interesting.

[TheClonesLegacy]

Blew Mah MIND

[Seival]

Sepharih wrote...

Seival wrote...

Sepharih wrote...

Seival wrote...

Sepharih wrote...

Seival wrote...

Sepharih wrote...

Seival wrote...

bro_9009 wrote...

If we rotate this image 180 degrees, Destroy becomes Paragon choice (like persuasion attempts on the wheel). And Control is Renegade, Synthesis - something useless.

Then Investigate should turn into the usual "I should go", or like "Die, you bastard, I'm not going to persuade you". Shame we don't get this in the game.

I don't like this idea. TIM's desire to control the Reapers doesn't make the option renegade. You should look at Control option from another perspective. As I said, in Control ending Shepard can stop the Reaper threat without killing anyone in the process. Even Shepard herself/himself stays alive without any kind of "secret cutscene" involved. She/He just become a new Catalist or Reaper. Control is pure Paragon option.

Yeah...if you take the self admitted originator of the entire galactic Genocide at face value, which is something I flat out refuse to do.  Especially not after I just convinced the Illusive man to shoot himself because neither he or humanity was ready for such power.  Control is an absolute power that is destined to corrupt absolutely, and it's thematically inconssistent with the themes of the story.

Well, I disagree that Control the Reapers = absolute power... Also I disagree that any kind of power (even absolute) will 100% corrupt someone. It depends on person who has this power. Shepard can just send the Reapers back to darkspace and put them into sleep mode. After that Shepard can make sure that Reapers will never wake up again... Or, Shepard can wake up Reapers to use them against some threats, that may occur in subsecquent games in Mass Effect Universe  

If you assume spacebrat is being completely honest and upfront, then replacing him and controlling the reapers effectively makes Shepard an imortal God, and no one man should have that much power.  It's not a thing mankind was ready for even IF they could control it.  Again, my paragon Shepard just told TIM exactly that before he shot himself in revelation of what he had become.
How exactly is this supposed to be a pure paragon option when it's effectively the antithesis of the entire paragon arc and the exact goal of the character who embodies the renegade ideal?

Each paragon reply in the final dialogue with TIM is actually a proof that Shepard is ready to control the Reapers, and TIM isn't (and never was). Control ending is not about following TIM's footsteps, it's about stopping the Reapers without additional deaths of innocent people. 

Each paragon reply is an affirmation that TIM, humanity, and shepard are not ready to control the reapers because shepard flat out states: "We're not ready".
Shepard even says: "If we destroy the reapers, this ends today, but if you can't control them.....are you willing to bet humanity's existance on it?"
If you take the ending at face value, Shepard pulls a complete 180 in the five minutes between convincing the illusive man to shoot himself, and the ride up to the literal Deus Ex Machina.  There's no way around that.

Did you know that usually the ones who fairly admit that they are not ready, are actually much more ready to something than anyone else?... I'm talking about moral and responsibility, not some "shopping process". Listening to my Paragon Shepard I had to admit, that she is ready to Control the Reapers, and to the following responsibility.

Nope, sorry, that logic doesn't apply because even if you believe space brat this isn't something that's thrust upon Shepard.  It's a choice he/she actively has to make.  Shepard has to actively choose to completely ignore everything he/she just told TIM and decide that they're now somehow special and ready to take control of the giant genocidal monsters that are infamous for corrupting and controling people.
For a paragon shep, it's inescapably hypocritical.

Shepard said "So, the TIM was right after all...", remember? And Catalist confirmed that. You think it lied? No, it didn't. Even in the current Control ending you can see that Reapers are following Shepard's orders. So no doubt Shepard became new Catalist or a Reaper that has full control of the entire Reaper fleet.

[Chaoswind]

Control is a gamble, but the end result is better:

Citadel parts won't rain down on earth, the only known synthetics with a religion of some sort are still alive and so is the AI that learned altruism from a human (+2 for future peace of machines and organics) and the ONLY human that actually tried to understand synthetic and organic relations (beyond the sick ****s with robot fetish) is a god.

All sounds epic to me!!!!

Yeah a lot of **** can go wrong, but that is part of the gamble.