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[Unholyknight800]

Build a new crucible with thicker armor and turn it into a battering ram.

[A0170]

BooPi wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

Retreat, then destroy the relay, sacrifice the sol system to destroy the reapers.

Interesting, but according to the premises set forth, you can't. That'd cost the Citadel, and by extension the relays. The remaining Reapers in other systems would have free reign over forces now isolated without the ability to control the Relays.

Would destroying the Citadel lead to the loss of the relays though? Either way you need to do something about the Citadel before the Reapers use it to shut down the relay network anyway.

[MyAwesomeAfro]

Load a ship with a MASSIVE Overloading weapon (Turian Dreadnaught)

Send it in alone to destroy the mass relay and annihilate everything in the system. They lose countless reapers, the citadel, Harbinger ect.

Earth isn't important when you consider what is really at stake. But in an ideal war, I would simply run. Defeatig the Reapers conventionally isn't worth it, you would be left with mere thousands of survivors at the very best. I'd rather focus on hiding "Colonies" in Cryo on low-key planets much like on ilos, make sure they have the power, hide the tech, hide EVERYTHING.

Or destroy every god damn relay and go out with a Bang. Taking them with us. :happy:

Modifié par MyAwesomeAfro, 10 mai 2012 - 11:30 .

[ediskrad327]

silentassassin264 wrote...

If the crucible is useless then we have no hope to win. With the Reapers in control of the Citadel, they can just turn off the Mass Relays for your team and outgun you (and take away any chance of retreat or backup). I would just call up Harbinger and tell him I am ready to replace Mr. Illusive.

nah the Reapers are to stupid to do that

[Unholyknight800]

Gather all the biotics in the galaxy and create one giant singularity in the middle of a Reaper fleet.

Would that work?

Modifié par Unholyknight800, 10 mai 2012 - 11:30 .

[A0170]

Unholyknight800 wrote...

Gather all the biotics in the galaxy and create one giant singularity in the middle of a Reaper fleet.

Would that work?

Nah its not artsy enough. 

[hoodaticus]

MisterJB wrote...
Becoming a Reaper is preferrable to extinction. At least a part of humanity will survive.

Indoctrination can be an ugly thing, as we see from the above.

PS - I do believe the Enhanced Defense Intelligence unit installed on Normandy understands humanity far better than you.

Modifié par hoodaticus, 10 mai 2012 - 11:34 .

[A0170]

AzuraAngellus wrote...

Grimwick wrote...

Whether or not it is possible to win conventionally, I think that if an ending did occur, in which the crucible did not work (or was not thought to work and Shepard was presumed dead but survived) it would be incredibly powerful.

I can just imagine a scene were an ensign looks up at a troubled Hackett and says those words in the title of the the thread - now that would have been the dramatic ending we were promised, even if it turned out that the crucible worked after all.

In response to the conventional warfare argument, I'd like to simply point out that Shepard killed a smaller class reaper on foot with just a small amount of air support. On foot.

Small amount of air support.
ENTIRE Quarrian fleet.
Yea-no. Conventional warfare would not be possible against a race that is far more advanced, and SMARTER. All of these ideas to out-maneuver the Reapers relies on the assumption that they wouldn't be able to adapt, or even push through it with brute force. Even if they did beat the Reapers on Earth, the rest of the Reapers would most likely do something like what Shepard did. Rallied all their forces for a single, decimating strike against the Sword fleets.

100% Agree. But I'm curious, what would you suggest we do? FIght unconventionally or try and buy some time to do something similar to what the Protheans/Javik on Eden Prime were planning? 

[Arturia Pendragon]

I'd figure out a way to get Samantha Carter into the ME universe.

[hoodaticus]

A0170 wrote...

Unholyknight800 wrote...

Gather all the biotics in the galaxy and create one giant singularity in the middle of a Reaper fleet.

Would that work?

Nah its not artsy enough. 

Unless they form a drum circle...

[A0170]

Arturia Pendragon wrote...

I'd figure out a way to get Samantha Carter into the ME universe.

God it would probably work too. Anything's possible according to the SG franchise.

Modifié par A0170, 10 mai 2012 - 11:41 .

[AzuraAngellus]

A0170 wrote...

AzuraAngellus wrote...

Grimwick wrote...

Whether or not it is possible to win conventionally, I think that if an ending did occur, in which the crucible did not work (or was not thought to work and Shepard was presumed dead but survived) it would be incredibly powerful.

I can just imagine a scene were an ensign looks up at a troubled Hackett and says those words in the title of the the thread - now that would have been the dramatic ending we were promised, even if it turned out that the crucible worked after all.

In response to the conventional warfare argument, I'd like to simply point out that Shepard killed a smaller class reaper on foot with just a small amount of air support. On foot.

Small amount of air support.
ENTIRE Quarrian fleet.
Yea-no. Conventional warfare would not be possible against a race that is far more advanced, and SMARTER. All of these ideas to out-maneuver the Reapers relies on the assumption that they wouldn't be able to adapt, or even push through it with brute force. Even if they did beat the Reapers on Earth, the rest of the Reapers would most likely do something like what Shepard did. Rallied all their forces for a single, decimating strike against the Sword fleets.

100% Agree. But I'm curious, what would you suggest we do? FIght unconventionally or try and buy some time to do something similar to what the Protheans/Javik on Eden Prime were planning? 

I think the best chance we'd have, is enacting a protocol close to something that the Protheans tried with Javik, however it would have a MUCH better chance of survival in this cycle after Cerberus is destroyed. So, destroy Cerberus base, then withdraw until the next cycle. They still run the risk of being found by rogue indoctrinated agents that worked outside of Cerberus, but if every race enacted that plan on such a large scale there's no way they could hunt them all down without the number of sleeper agents Cerberus provided.

EDIT: The Reapers destruction of long range communication would even HELP this idea, with each race independent of each other. So if one race was found, they wouldn't even be able to find the others with that information. They also COULD launch Sword as a "diversion", to damage the Reapers as much as possible to make it easier on the next cycle. To make the Reapers believe that the organics' races biggest chance failed.

Modifié par AzuraAngellus, 10 mai 2012 - 11:44 .

[Unholyknight800]

Harvest Dark Energy and fling them at all the stars in the Galaxy.

[MisterJB]

hoodaticus wrote...

MisterJB wrote...
Becoming a Reaper is preferrable to extinction. At least a part of humanity will survive.

Indoctrination can be an ugly thing, as we see from the above.

PS - I do believe the Enhanced Defense Intelligence unit installed on Normandy understands humanity far better than you.

No one can, objectivelly, define what it is to be human. EDI has her opinion, as you have yours and as I have mine.
None is superior to the others.

[Thornne]

There's only one way to defeat the Reapers. Wipe out ALL organic life in the galaxy. Then their cycle of preservative reaping will have failed.

Maybe we can get the Geth to do it. If we tell them it's the only way to defeat the Reapers.

That or space magic.

[A0170]

AzuraAngellus wrote...

A0170 wrote...

AzuraAngellus wrote...

Grimwick wrote...

Whether or not it is possible to win conventionally, I think that if an ending did occur, in which the crucible did not work (or was not thought to work and Shepard was presumed dead but survived) it would be incredibly powerful.

I can just imagine a scene were an ensign looks up at a troubled Hackett and says those words in the title of the the thread - now that would have been the dramatic ending we were promised, even if it turned out that the crucible worked after all.

In response to the conventional warfare argument, I'd like to simply point out that Shepard killed a smaller class reaper on foot with just a small amount of air support. On foot.

Small amount of air support.
ENTIRE Quarrian fleet.
Yea-no. Conventional warfare would not be possible against a race that is far more advanced, and SMARTER. All of these ideas to out-maneuver the Reapers relies on the assumption that they wouldn't be able to adapt, or even push through it with brute force. Even if they did beat the Reapers on Earth, the rest of the Reapers would most likely do something like what Shepard did. Rallied all their forces for a single, decimating strike against the Sword fleets.

100% Agree. But I'm curious, what would you suggest we do? FIght unconventionally or try and buy some time to do something similar to what the Protheans/Javik on Eden Prime were planning? 

I think the best chance we'd have, is enacting a protocol close to something that the Protheans tried with Javik, however it would have a MUCH better chance of survival in this cycle after Cerberus is destroyed. So, destroy Cerberus base, then withdraw until the next cycle. They still run the risk of being found by rogue indoctrinated agents that worked outside of Cerberus, but if every race enacted that plan on such a large scale there's no way they could hunt them all down without the number of sleeper agents Cerberus provided.

Cool idea. Sounds like an "Arc Initiative". When the Reapers are gone the survivors can just wake up and have another 50,000 years to rebuild and prepare for the Reaper's return. Plus I mentioned this before, what would stop the Reapers from noticing that some of us survived? Wouldn't they just swoop in to stop us from rebuilding? I always thought that was one of the biggest plotholes with Javik's story and the Prothean plans on Eden Prime.

Modifié par A0170, 10 mai 2012 - 11:52 .

[Unholyknight800]

A0170 wrote...

AzuraAngellus wrote...

A0170 wrote...

AzuraAngellus wrote...

Grimwick wrote...

Whether or not it is possible to win conventionally, I think that if an ending did occur, in which the crucible did not work (or was not thought to work and Shepard was presumed dead but survived) it would be incredibly powerful.

I can just imagine a scene were an ensign looks up at a troubled Hackett and says those words in the title of the the thread - now that would have been the dramatic ending we were promised, even if it turned out that the crucible worked after all.

In response to the conventional warfare argument, I'd like to simply point out that Shepard killed a smaller class reaper on foot with just a small amount of air support. On foot.

Small amount of air support.
ENTIRE Quarrian fleet.
Yea-no. Conventional warfare would not be possible against a race that is far more advanced, and SMARTER. All of these ideas to out-maneuver the Reapers relies on the assumption that they wouldn't be able to adapt, or even push through it with brute force. Even if they did beat the Reapers on Earth, the rest of the Reapers would most likely do something like what Shepard did. Rallied all their forces for a single, decimating strike against the Sword fleets.

100% Agree. But I'm curious, what would you suggest we do? FIght unconventionally or try and buy some time to do something similar to what the Protheans/Javik on Eden Prime were planning? 

I think the best chance we'd have, is enacting a protocol close to something that the Protheans tried with Javik, however it would have a MUCH better chance of survival in this cycle after Cerberus is destroyed. So, destroy Cerberus base, then withdraw until the next cycle. They still run the risk of being found by rogue indoctrinated agents that worked outside of Cerberus, but if every race enacted that plan on such a large scale there's no way they could hunt them all down without the number of sleeper agents Cerberus provided.

Cool idea. Sounds like an "Arc Initiative". When the Reapers are gone the survivors can just wake up and have another 50,000 years to rebuild and prepare for the Reaper's return. Although I mentioned this before, but what would stop the Reapers from noticing that some of us survived and then swooping in to stop us from rebuilding?

Camouflage.

[Anacronian Stryx]

Have EA buy up the reaper armada and then just watch as the reapers ends up being raped by lawyers..

[AzuraAngellus]

A0170 wrote...

AzuraAngellus wrote...

A0170 wrote...

AzuraAngellus wrote...

Grimwick wrote...

Whether or not it is possible to win conventionally, I think that if an ending did occur, in which the crucible did not work (or was not thought to work and Shepard was presumed dead but survived) it would be incredibly powerful.

I can just imagine a scene were an ensign looks up at a troubled Hackett and says those words in the title of the the thread - now that would have been the dramatic ending we were promised, even if it turned out that the crucible worked after all.

In response to the conventional warfare argument, I'd like to simply point out that Shepard killed a smaller class reaper on foot with just a small amount of air support. On foot.

Small amount of air support.
ENTIRE Quarrian fleet.
Yea-no. Conventional warfare would not be possible against a race that is far more advanced, and SMARTER. All of these ideas to out-maneuver the Reapers relies on the assumption that they wouldn't be able to adapt, or even push through it with brute force. Even if they did beat the Reapers on Earth, the rest of the Reapers would most likely do something like what Shepard did. Rallied all their forces for a single, decimating strike against the Sword fleets.

100% Agree. But I'm curious, what would you suggest we do? FIght unconventionally or try and buy some time to do something similar to what the Protheans/Javik on Eden Prime were planning? 

I think the best chance we'd have, is enacting a protocol close to something that the Protheans tried with Javik, however it would have a MUCH better chance of survival in this cycle after Cerberus is destroyed. So, destroy Cerberus base, then withdraw until the next cycle. They still run the risk of being found by rogue indoctrinated agents that worked outside of Cerberus, but if every race enacted that plan on such a large scale there's no way they could hunt them all down without the number of sleeper agents Cerberus provided.

Cool idea. Sounds like an "Arc Initiative". When the Reapers are gone the survivors can just wake up and have another 50,000 years to rebuild and prepare for the Reaper's return. Although I mentioned this before, but what would stop the Reapers from noticing that some of us survived and then swooping in to stop us from rebuilding?

I don't think the Reapers are capable of monitoring the galaxy while they're in dark space "hibernation" mode. As it was stated before by the lore, that is where they are most vulnerable. 50K years is a LOT of time in "organic" terms, maybe we would finish fleets and go out there to destroy the Reapers before they attempt to return again. Killing the Reapers in their sleep >

[A0170]

AzuraAngellus wrote...

A0170 wrote...

AzuraAngellus wrote...

A0170 wrote...

AzuraAngellus wrote...

Grimwick wrote...

Whether or not it is possible to win conventionally, I think that if an ending did occur, in which the crucible did not work (or was not thought to work and Shepard was presumed dead but survived) it would be incredibly powerful.

I can just imagine a scene were an ensign looks up at a troubled Hackett and says those words in the title of the the thread - now that would have been the dramatic ending we were promised, even if it turned out that the crucible worked after all.

In response to the conventional warfare argument, I'd like to simply point out that Shepard killed a smaller class reaper on foot with just a small amount of air support. On foot.

Small amount of air support.
ENTIRE Quarrian fleet.
Yea-no. Conventional warfare would not be possible against a race that is far more advanced, and SMARTER. All of these ideas to out-maneuver the Reapers relies on the assumption that they wouldn't be able to adapt, or even push through it with brute force. Even if they did beat the Reapers on Earth, the rest of the Reapers would most likely do something like what Shepard did. Rallied all their forces for a single, decimating strike against the Sword fleets.

100% Agree. But I'm curious, what would you suggest we do? FIght unconventionally or try and buy some time to do something similar to what the Protheans/Javik on Eden Prime were planning? 

I think the best chance we'd have, is enacting a protocol close to something that the Protheans tried with Javik, however it would have a MUCH better chance of survival in this cycle after Cerberus is destroyed. So, destroy Cerberus base, then withdraw until the next cycle. They still run the risk of being found by rogue indoctrinated agents that worked outside of Cerberus, but if every race enacted that plan on such a large scale there's no way they could hunt them all down without the number of sleeper agents Cerberus provided.

Cool idea. Sounds like an "Arc Initiative". When the Reapers are gone the survivors can just wake up and have another 50,000 years to rebuild and prepare for the Reaper's return. Although I mentioned this before, but what would stop the Reapers from noticing that some of us survived and then swooping in to stop us from rebuilding?

I don't think the Reapers are capable of monitoring the galaxy while they're in dark space "hibernation" mode. As it was stated before by the lore, that is where they are most vulnerable. 50K years is a LOT of time in "organic" terms, maybe we would finish fleets and go out there to destroy the Reapers before they attempt to return again. Killing the Reapers in their sleep >

Very true. They could still send another Sovereign but the glaxy is a big place. I can totally see us getting the jump on them before they notice we're still around. 

[AzuraAngellus]

A0170 wrote...

AzuraAngellus wrote...

A0170 wrote...

AzuraAngellus wrote...

A0170 wrote...

AzuraAngellus wrote...

Grimwick wrote...

Whether or not it is possible to win conventionally, I think that if an ending did occur, in which the crucible did not work (or was not thought to work and Shepard was presumed dead but survived) it would be incredibly powerful.

I can just imagine a scene were an ensign looks up at a troubled Hackett and says those words in the title of the the thread - now that would have been the dramatic ending we were promised, even if it turned out that the crucible worked after all.

In response to the conventional warfare argument, I'd like to simply point out that Shepard killed a smaller class reaper on foot with just a small amount of air support. On foot.

Small amount of air support.
ENTIRE Quarrian fleet.
Yea-no. Conventional warfare would not be possible against a race that is far more advanced, and SMARTER. All of these ideas to out-maneuver the Reapers relies on the assumption that they wouldn't be able to adapt, or even push through it with brute force. Even if they did beat the Reapers on Earth, the rest of the Reapers would most likely do something like what Shepard did. Rallied all their forces for a single, decimating strike against the Sword fleets.

100% Agree. But I'm curious, what would you suggest we do? FIght unconventionally or try and buy some time to do something similar to what the Protheans/Javik on Eden Prime were planning? 

I think the best chance we'd have, is enacting a protocol close to something that the Protheans tried with Javik, however it would have a MUCH better chance of survival in this cycle after Cerberus is destroyed. So, destroy Cerberus base, then withdraw until the next cycle. They still run the risk of being found by rogue indoctrinated agents that worked outside of Cerberus, but if every race enacted that plan on such a large scale there's no way they could hunt them all down without the number of sleeper agents Cerberus provided.

Cool idea. Sounds like an "Arc Initiative". When the Reapers are gone the survivors can just wake up and have another 50,000 years to rebuild and prepare for the Reaper's return. Although I mentioned this before, but what would stop the Reapers from noticing that some of us survived and then swooping in to stop us from rebuilding?

I don't think the Reapers are capable of monitoring the galaxy while they're in dark space "hibernation" mode. As it was stated before by the lore, that is where they are most vulnerable. 50K years is a LOT of time in "organic" terms, maybe we would finish fleets and go out there to destroy the Reapers before they attempt to return again. Killing the Reapers in their sleep >

Very true. They could still send another Sovereign but the glaxy is a big place. I can totally see us getting the jump on them before they notice we're still around. 

49,000 years of building, 1000 years of Reaper-killing. Sounds like a good plan eh?

 

Also I don't think Sovereign 2.0 would work well, since every species, every person would be aware of the Reaper threat. There would be no mystery surrounding a Reaper found before the cycle ended. There would be no indoctrinated agents to help this time around. Specifically people who ignored the "Reapers" (I'm looking at you, Turian councilor!) would be executed. No room for mistakes this time around.

[Computron2000]

Some alternatives come to mind but they depend on several things
i) Do we know that the citadel has the apparatus to destroy/control the Reapers? If yes, send in covert ops agents to retreive what data that can be retreived. Build the same structure but reprogram it to not shoot energy at the mass relays nor wipe out the Earth's surface.

ii) Do we have the Sanctuary data? Refinement of that signal device can give the ground forces success

iii) Do we have the ability to utilise the flying gun/occulus technology from ME2? If yes, make flying Thannix cannons and send them on sucide missions. Note, all programming should be hardware based so it cannot be changed by hacking

iv) Can we rebuild the ancient ground based mass accelerator that destroyed the Reaper ship or utilise the tech to improve the Thannix cannons? If yes, high priority build for all planets

v) Can we salvage one of the anti aircraft reaper cannon that we destroyed with the Cain? If yes, utilise that as the main cannon for a Tuchanka style ground to space defense.

vi) Do we have the tech of the seeker swarms from ME2? If yes, build hardcoded versions and send them as vanguard for ground forces. If space faring versions are available, hardcode them to eat and reproduce then shoot missiles loaded with the swarms at the Reaper ships. Missiles will be destroyed by the Reaper short range defenses but the swarms will be in range to eat the Reaper and reproduce

Modifié par Computron2000, 11 mai 2012 - 12:09 .

[A0170]

AzuraAngellus wrote...

A0170 wrote...

AzuraAngellus wrote...

A0170 wrote...

AzuraAngellus wrote...

A0170 wrote...

AzuraAngellus wrote...

Grimwick wrote...

Whether or not it is possible to win conventionally, I think that if an ending did occur, in which the crucible did not work (or was not thought to work and Shepard was presumed dead but survived) it would be incredibly powerful.

I can just imagine a scene were an ensign looks up at a troubled Hackett and says those words in the title of the the thread - now that would have been the dramatic ending we were promised, even if it turned out that the crucible worked after all.

In response to the conventional warfare argument, I'd like to simply point out that Shepard killed a smaller class reaper on foot with just a small amount of air support. On foot.

Small amount of air support.
ENTIRE Quarrian fleet.
Yea-no. Conventional warfare would not be possible against a race that is far more advanced, and SMARTER. All of these ideas to out-maneuver the Reapers relies on the assumption that they wouldn't be able to adapt, or even push through it with brute force. Even if they did beat the Reapers on Earth, the rest of the Reapers would most likely do something like what Shepard did. Rallied all their forces for a single, decimating strike against the Sword fleets.

100% Agree. But I'm curious, what would you suggest we do? FIght unconventionally or try and buy some time to do something similar to what the Protheans/Javik on Eden Prime were planning? 

I think the best chance we'd have, is enacting a protocol close to something that the Protheans tried with Javik, however it would have a MUCH better chance of survival in this cycle after Cerberus is destroyed. So, destroy Cerberus base, then withdraw until the next cycle. They still run the risk of being found by rogue indoctrinated agents that worked outside of Cerberus, but if every race enacted that plan on such a large scale there's no way they could hunt them all down without the number of sleeper agents Cerberus provided.

Cool idea. Sounds like an "Arc Initiative". When the Reapers are gone the survivors can just wake up and have another 50,000 years to rebuild and prepare for the Reaper's return. Although I mentioned this before, but what would stop the Reapers from noticing that some of us survived and then swooping in to stop us from rebuilding?

I don't think the Reapers are capable of monitoring the galaxy while they're in dark space "hibernation" mode. As it was stated before by the lore, that is where they are most vulnerable. 50K years is a LOT of time in "organic" terms, maybe we would finish fleets and go out there to destroy the Reapers before they attempt to return again. Killing the Reapers in their sleep >

Very true. They could still send another Sovereign but the glaxy is a big place. I can totally see us getting the jump on them before they notice we're still around. 

49,000 years of building, 1000 years of Reaper-killing. Sounds like a good plan eh?

 

Also I don't think Sovereign 2.0 would work well, since every species, every person would be aware of the Reaper threat. There would be no mystery surrounding a Reaper found before the cycle ended. There would be no indoctrinated agents to help this time around. Specifically people who ignored the "Reapers" (I'm looking at you, Turian councilor!) would be executed. No room for mistakes this time around.

Lol it does. And I meant that they'd send another Sovvy to monitor the next cycle because that's their MO and because they wouldn't know that we're still around until its too late. 

[Skaldian]

"Crap your pants. Hackett out."

[marstinson]

I don't suppose that inviting the Reapers to an intergalactic kegger is viable.