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[Reign Tsumiraki]

Catamantaloedis wrote...


They shouldn't even be on the verge of extinction. They should just be simply extinct. As soon as they outlived their use, they should have been pushed back to Tuchanka, and the Council races should have rained nuclear hellfire on every last Krogan man, woman, and child. Tuchanka should have been made a nuclear wasteland, uninhabitable for the next 10,000 years. Every aspect of life on that planet exterminated. A few hundred krogan should have been removed from the planet as test subjects, and to serve as warnings against the rest of the savage creatures of the galaxy. The history of the krogan people should have been wiped from every text, from every database. The name Krogan should have been transformed into a synonym for savage. No one should even be allowed to say the word Tuchanka without the punishment of death!

 

[darkchief10]

Catamantaloedis wrote...


They shouldn't even be on the verge of extinction. They should just be simply extinct. As soon as they outlived their use, they should have been pushed back to Tuchanka, and the Council races should have rained nuclear hellfire on every last Krogan man, woman, and child. Tuchanka should have been made a nuclear wasteland, uninhabitable for the next 10,000 years. Every aspect of life on that planet exterminated. A few hundred krogan should have been removed from the planet as test subjects, and to serve as warnings against the rest of the savage creatures of the galaxy. The history of the krogan people should have been wiped from every text, from every database. The name Krogan should have been transformed into a synonym for savage. No one should even be allowed to say the word Tuchanka without the punishment of death!

by that logic mankind should be extinct as well, we have done far worse to ourselves than the krogan ever did.
I sincerely hope you are just trolling,otherwise i just feel sorry for you. i really do, who are we to play god, isn't that the heart of the anti-synthesis debate

[KingZayd]

111987 wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Oh you suspect they'll be able to nuke the galaxy? you're quite scared of the Krogan aren't you?

Well in the past they did drop asteroids on garden planets...

KingZayd wrote...
humans have been pretty barbaric themselves. maybe we should make a genophage for them too? (Cerberus)

salarians have been pretty barbaric themselves. maybe we should make a genophage for them too? (uplifting these violent species for these same violent characteristics they desire, also designing and renewing genophage)

turians have been pretty barbaric themselves. maybe we should make a genophage for them too? (deploying genophage, and also starting a war because humans tried to open a relay. there was no attempt at diplomacy)

quarians have been pretty barbaric themselves. maybe we should make a genophage for them too? (attempted genocide of the geth. starting a completely unnecessary war on the geth again)

batarians have been pretty barbaric themselves. maybe we should make a genophage for them too? (imperalist slavers)

asari have been pretty barbaric themselves. maybe we should make a genophage for them too? (hoarding important prothean relics, very harsh treatment of the Ardat Yakshi, who have a genetic condition, partially to keep it a secret.)

vorcha have been pretty barbaric themselves. maybe we should make a genophage for them too? (almost all of them are petty gangters)

yahg have been pretty barbaric themselves. maybe we should make a genophage for them too? [They massacred the Citadel delegation. Also, the only one we've encountered (outside the Salarian base) was the vicious Shadow Broker]

geth have been pretty barbaric themselves (siding with the reapers despite the implications for all the other races in the galaxy). maybe we should blow them up (since they have no genes)?

The difference is that none of those races individually are powerful enough to challenge the combined forces of the galaxy. Due to the speed of Krogan reproduction, along with all their other physical advantages, coupled with their biologically aggressive drives, they pose a greater threat to galactic stability because left unchecked, they could very well doom the galaxy.

Oh no! Big Scary Krogan! KILL IT! Oh no, maybe we should try and change the crucible so we can use synthesis to make us all part Krogan? I wasn't aware superior biology should be punished by death.

TIM DID indoctrinate a whole bunch of people. Clearly humans should be exterminated too.

Modifié par KingZayd, 12 mai 2012 - 04:55 .

[111987]

KingZayd wrote...

111987 wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Oh you suspect they'll be able to nuke the galaxy? you're quite scared of the Krogan aren't you?

Well in the past they did drop asteroids on garden planets...

KingZayd wrote...
humans have been pretty barbaric themselves. maybe we should make a genophage for them too? (Cerberus)

salarians have been pretty barbaric themselves. maybe we should make a genophage for them too? (uplifting these violent species for these same violent characteristics they desire, also designing and renewing genophage)

turians have been pretty barbaric themselves. maybe we should make a genophage for them too? (deploying genophage, and also starting a war because humans tried to open a relay. there was no attempt at diplomacy)

quarians have been pretty barbaric themselves. maybe we should make a genophage for them too? (attempted genocide of the geth. starting a completely unnecessary war on the geth again)

batarians have been pretty barbaric themselves. maybe we should make a genophage for them too? (imperalist slavers)

asari have been pretty barbaric themselves. maybe we should make a genophage for them too? (hoarding important prothean relics, very harsh treatment of the Ardat Yakshi, who have a genetic condition, partially to keep it a secret.)

vorcha have been pretty barbaric themselves. maybe we should make a genophage for them too? (almost all of them are petty gangters)

yahg have been pretty barbaric themselves. maybe we should make a genophage for them too? [They massacred the Citadel delegation. Also, the only one we've encountered (outside the Salarian base) was the vicious Shadow Broker]

geth have been pretty barbaric themselves (siding with the reapers despite the implications for all the other races in the galaxy). maybe we should blow them up (since they have no genes)?

The difference is that none of those races individually are powerful enough to challenge the combined forces of the galaxy. Due to the speed of Krogan reproduction, along with all their other physical advantages, coupled with their biologically aggressive drives, they pose a greater threat to galactic stability because left unchecked, they could very well doom the galaxy.

Oh no! Big Scary Krogan! KILL IT! Oh no, maybe we should try and change the crucible so we can use synthesis to make us all part Krogan? I wasn't aware superior biology should be punished by death.

TIM DID indoctrinate a whole bunch of people. Clearly humans should be exterminated too.

Of course biological superiority shouldn't be punished by death, but of the Krogans are going to repeatedly use said superiority to commit terrible atrocities on the galaxy, we really don't have much of a choice.

I think you missed the point entirely.

[Catamantaloedis]

 Imagine a universe in which Krogan are made slaves and used for experiements.

A universe where we can turn this:

 

into this:
 

[Catamantaloedis]

darkchief10 wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...


They shouldn't even be on the verge of extinction. They should just be simply extinct. As soon as they outlived their use, they should have been pushed back to Tuchanka, and the Council races should have rained nuclear hellfire on every last Krogan man, woman, and child. Tuchanka should have been made a nuclear wasteland, uninhabitable for the next 10,000 years. Every aspect of life on that planet exterminated. A few hundred krogan should have been removed from the planet as test subjects, and to serve as warnings against the rest of the savage creatures of the galaxy. The history of the krogan people should have been wiped from every text, from every database. The name Krogan should have been transformed into a synonym for savage. No one should even be allowed to say the word Tuchanka without the punishment of death!

by that logic mankind should be extinct as well, we have done far worse to ourselves than the krogan ever did.
I sincerely hope you are just trolling,otherwise i just feel sorry for you. i really do, who are we to play god, isn't that the heart of the anti-synthesis debate

I didn't know that humans engaged in nuclear warfare against themselves, and transformed our homeworld into a nuclear crater, because of our savagery.

[Reign Tsumiraki]

Catamantaloedis wrote...

 Imagine a universe in which Krogan are made slaves and used for experiements.

A universe where we can turn this:

 

into this:
 

 

[MisterJB]

Honestly, we were really close.

[Silhouett3]

Catamantaloedis wrote...

You only need to Krogan in the short term while the Crucible is being built. If the Crucible fails then nothing matters anyway.

Curing the genophage won't bring you any extra reinforcements because Krogan children don't mature in a few months. Therefore, it's best to deceive the Krogan, defeat the Reapers, and then annihilate the Krogan race.

During the Tuchanka missions, around middle parts of the game, how come you are so sure that the Crucible would work right, instanly end the war and if it doesn't nothing else matters? 

Talk about military mind.

Edit: I figured it out now.  OP is Logain Mac Tir in Mass Effect Universe. Memories of the past clouded his vision and he thinks the real threat is Orlesians, not the Blight.

Modifié par Silhouett3, 12 mai 2012 - 09:59 .

[vixvicco]

Wrex said himself Shepard would become a legend to the Krogans, meaning humanity will become a legend in helping cure the Krogans. Hence, why would anyone ever attack humanity? They might attack everyone else, but not humans.

[Sarcastic Tasha]

After speaking to Eve and seeing the ruins on Tuchanka I did feel a little guilty about sabotaging the cure. But ultimately I don't think the krogan can be trusted, even with Wrex in charge I think they'd go back to their old ways. There is no evidence to suggest the krogan have become less violent since the genophage, all its done is given the krogan reason to want revenge against the other races.

[QuantumSheep13]

There are plenty of krogan out there willing to get revenge on the galaxy. Curing the Genophage is what you do if you want to screw over the galaxy...again. Not that it matters much in the end, since Shepard does that him/herself anyway.

[KingZayd]

111987 wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

111987 wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Oh you suspect they'll be able to nuke the galaxy? you're quite scared of the Krogan aren't you?

Well in the past they did drop asteroids on garden planets...

KingZayd wrote...
humans have been pretty barbaric themselves. maybe we should make a genophage for them too? (Cerberus)

salarians have been pretty barbaric themselves. maybe we should make a genophage for them too? (uplifting these violent species for these same violent characteristics they desire, also designing and renewing genophage)

turians have been pretty barbaric themselves. maybe we should make a genophage for them too? (deploying genophage, and also starting a war because humans tried to open a relay. there was no attempt at diplomacy)

quarians have been pretty barbaric themselves. maybe we should make a genophage for them too? (attempted genocide of the geth. starting a completely unnecessary war on the geth again)

batarians have been pretty barbaric themselves. maybe we should make a genophage for them too? (imperalist slavers)

asari have been pretty barbaric themselves. maybe we should make a genophage for them too? (hoarding important prothean relics, very harsh treatment of the Ardat Yakshi, who have a genetic condition, partially to keep it a secret.)

vorcha have been pretty barbaric themselves. maybe we should make a genophage for them too? (almost all of them are petty gangters)

yahg have been pretty barbaric themselves. maybe we should make a genophage for them too? [They massacred the Citadel delegation. Also, the only one we've encountered (outside the Salarian base) was the vicious Shadow Broker]

geth have been pretty barbaric themselves (siding with the reapers despite the implications for all the other races in the galaxy). maybe we should blow them up (since they have no genes)?

The difference is that none of those races individually are powerful enough to challenge the combined forces of the galaxy. Due to the speed of Krogan reproduction, along with all their other physical advantages, coupled with their biologically aggressive drives, they pose a greater threat to galactic stability because left unchecked, they could very well doom the galaxy.

Oh no! Big Scary Krogan! KILL IT! Oh no, maybe we should try and change the crucible so we can use synthesis to make us all part Krogan? I wasn't aware superior biology should be punished by death.

TIM DID indoctrinate a whole bunch of people. Clearly humans should be exterminated too.

Of course biological superiority shouldn't be punished by death, but of the Krogans are going to repeatedly use said superiority to commit terrible atrocities on the galaxy, we really don't have much of a choice.

I think you missed the point entirely.

repeatedly? they've done it once? and like i've said before, they're not the one only ones who've commited atrocities.

[KingZayd]

Jackumzz wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Jackumzz wrote...
I believe they deserve a chance, but not straight up curing the genophage based on a short period of co-operation.

Personaly, I would simply decrease the number of eggs a fertile female krogan can produce. 1 or 2 like most species.
No
more stillborns could lead towards a change in the krogan mentality
which could lead towards a positive change in their culture while
keeping their population at a manageable number.

Yeah, I find this reasonable. This is similar to the ideas I've thought about before.

KingZayd wrote...

Oh you suspect they'll be able to nuke the galaxy? you're quite scared of the Krogan aren't you?


humans have been pretty barbaric themselves. maybe we should make a genophage for them too? (Cerberus)

salarians have been pretty barbaric themselves. maybe we should make a genophage for them too? (uplifting these violent species for these same violent characteristics they desire, also designing and renewing genophage)

turians have been pretty barbaric themselves. maybe we should make a genophage for them too? (deploying genophage, and also starting a war because humans tried to open a relay. there was no attempt at diplomacy)

quarians have been pretty barbaric themselves. maybe we should make a genophage for them too? (attempted genocide of the geth. starting a completely unnecessary war on the geth again)

batarians have been pretty barbaric themselves. maybe we should make a genophage for them too? (imperalist slavers)

asari have been pretty barbaric themselves. maybe we should make a genophage for them too? (hoarding important prothean relics, very harsh treatment of the Ardat Yakshi, who have a genetic condition, partially to keep it a secret.)

vorcha have been pretty barbaric themselves. maybe we should make a genophage for them too? (almost all of them are petty gangters)

yahg have been pretty barbaric themselves. maybe we should make a genophage for them too? [They massacred the Citadel delegation. Also, the only one we've encountered (outside the Salarian base) was the vicious Shadow Broker]

geth have been pretty barbaric themselves (siding with the reapers despite the implications for all the other races in the galaxy). maybe we should blow them up (since they have no genes)?

And which of the above has required extreme measures like the genophage to counteract them?

The accurate response would be "none."

Either way, if you have enough faith that after a short period of cooperation, the krogan will completely change their ways, and without the dire circumstances of a Reaper invasion, will maintain this peace indefinitely, then you're 100% entitled to make that choice in your playthrough. But I'm not that optimistic and personally would not take such a risk. I've stated that I believe they deserve a chance, but just restoring their full fertility after a short period of co-operation is quite naive, to me. Nonetheless, again, it's your own choice and I won't argue it.

111987's response also hit the nail on the head.

111987 wrote...

The difference is that none of those races
individually are powerful enough to challenge the combined forces of
the galaxy. Due to the speed of Krogan reproduction, along with all
their other physical advantages, coupled with their biologically
aggressive drives, they pose a greater threat to galactic stability
because left unchecked, they could very well doom the galaxy.

The Genophage was only required when the Krogan were the only true military might in the known galaxy. They had no equals. The Turians were brought in to fight them, but they still weren't ready at the time. Now there are Humans and Turians there, both of whom have powerful millitaries. The Salarians, the Asari and the Geth aren't useless either. 

Modifié par KingZayd, 12 mai 2012 - 03:11 .

[Sporozoa]

Catamantaloedis wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

lordnyx1 wrote...

I hear an organization with your goals in mind is handing out shiny white, gold and black armor if you hurry you might get one before they run out.

Oh, stop that! Cerberus is pro-human, this user is, clearly, anti-alien. There is a difference.

Being worried about a future agressive expansion of the krogan is justified. Calling for their extermination is going too far.

I'm not anti-alien. The civilized races like the Council are worthy of admiration and imitation.

The savages like the Krogan, Vorcha, and Yahg need to be purged.

Burn Heretics, Kill Mutants, Purge the Unclean! FOR DA EMPEROR!! Oh, sorry, wrong universe. But krogans are much likely Warhammer40000 orcs, than Warcraft orcs.

Maybe they don't deserve extinction, but theirs population needs to be controlled. Not 1000 new for one pregnancy.

[appraiser]

In the grim darkness of the far future there are only krogan shoes.

[Catamantaloedis]

appraiser wrote...

In the grim darkness of the far future there are only krogan shoes.

One can only hope.

[Electavire]

Hey guys, turns out its okay to doom an entire species because we don't like them!

[Catamantaloedis]

Electavire wrote...

Hey guys, turns out its okay to doom an entire species because we don't like them!

It's because they're a barbaric, genocidal race of brutes.

[Tapkomet]

KingZayd wrote...

111987 wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Oh you suspect they'll be able to nuke the galaxy? you're quite scared of the Krogan aren't you?

Well in the past they did drop asteroids on garden planets...

KingZayd wrote...
humans have been pretty barbaric themselves. maybe we should make a genophage for them too? (Cerberus)

salarians have been pretty barbaric themselves. maybe we should make a genophage for them too? (uplifting these violent species for these same violent characteristics they desire, also designing and renewing genophage)

turians have been pretty barbaric themselves. maybe we should make a genophage for them too? (deploying genophage, and also starting a war because humans tried to open a relay. there was no attempt at diplomacy)

quarians have been pretty barbaric themselves. maybe we should make a genophage for them too? (attempted genocide of the geth. starting a completely unnecessary war on the geth again)

batarians have been pretty barbaric themselves. maybe we should make a genophage for them too? (imperalist slavers)

asari have been pretty barbaric themselves. maybe we should make a genophage for them too? (hoarding important prothean relics, very harsh treatment of the Ardat Yakshi, who have a genetic condition, partially to keep it a secret.)

vorcha have been pretty barbaric themselves. maybe we should make a genophage for them too? (almost all of them are petty gangters)

yahg have been pretty barbaric themselves. maybe we should make a genophage for them too? [They massacred the Citadel delegation. Also, the only one we've encountered (outside the Salarian base) was the vicious Shadow Broker]

geth have been pretty barbaric themselves (siding with the reapers despite the implications for all the other races in the galaxy). maybe we should blow them up (since they have no genes)?

The difference is that none of those races individually are powerful enough to challenge the combined forces of the galaxy. Due to the speed of Krogan reproduction, along with all their other physical advantages, coupled with their biologically aggressive drives, they pose a greater threat to galactic stability because left unchecked, they could very well doom the galaxy.

Oh no! Big Scary Krogan! KILL IT! Oh no, maybe we should try and change the crucible so we can use synthesis to make us all part Krogan? I wasn't aware superior biology should be punished by death.

TIM DID indoctrinate a whole bunch of people. Clearly humans should be exterminated too.

We should totally exterminate every sapient species in the Galaxy. And the semi-sapient (dolphins?) Imagine how pissed off Reapers wiil be.

[KotorEffect3]

The OP is an anti-krogite

[GLR-0053]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

The OP is an anti-krogite

Wait until you see whose next, probably the Yagh or Salarians.

This would be a great resume to Cerberus.

[Tapkomet]

Oh, I forgot.

You humans are all racists!