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There's no reason to cure the genophage.


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111987 wrote...

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111987 wrote...

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So people are still feeding the troll. I guess I'll help.

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Before the Krogan were uplifted, they destroyed themselves with nuclear weaponry. They were savage then, they are savage now, they will be savage forever.


 Do you have any idea how close we came to doing that during the Cold War?


We never came that close, believe it or not. The closest being the Cuban Missile Crisis, but in reality, it would have taken a lot more to push either side to make a first strike, because human beings are rational.

Some Krogan even praise the fact that nuclear war occured and destroyed their civilization, because it made them "stronger".


False. the closest we came was when the Russian surveillance systems seemed to show that that the US were launching all their nuclear missiles. Turned out later that it was a glitch, but it was lucky that the guy in charge decided that it was a false alarm. He lost his job.


What's your point? The OP's point is that no matter how close we got, we aren't so barbaric and savage as the Krogans, and thus avoided their fate. The Krogan are so depraved some actually think it was a good thing.

So what is your response to this?


We did get close to destroying ourselves too. it wasn't our "lack of barbarism" that saved us. It was 1 guy.

How do you know the same didn't happen with the Krogan? Just without the guy?
Which Krogan think it was a good thing? 


The vast majority of humans wouldn't have made a choice to engage in nuclear war. The vast majority of Krogan would.

The Krogan that think they grow more powerful through incidents like the nuclear war.


Source?


Inferences drawn from Codex entries.


Which ones?

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KingZayd wrote...

Which ones?


Krogan: Ancient History. Talks about how the Krogans engaged in an arms race simply due to overpopulation.

Krogan: Blood Rage. They become mindless, feral beasts and lose all rationality. This is a biological trait. Anyone in the population has the potential to have blood rage. And these people were in charge of nuclear weapons.

Krogan: Culture. They are inherently selfish, blunt, and unsympathetic. These are traits naturally not conducive to cooperation...especially during a situation as tense as an arms race.

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111987 wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Which ones?


Krogan: Ancient History. Talks about how the Krogans engaged in an arms race simply due to overpopulation.

Krogan: Blood Rage. They become mindless, feral beasts and lose all rationality. This is a biological trait. Anyone in the population has the potential to have blood rage. And these people were in charge of nuclear weapons.

Krogan: Culture. They are inherently selfish, blunt, and unsympathetic. These are traits naturally not conducive to cooperation...especially during a situation as tense as an arms race.


Ancient History:
"Even so, the birth rate exploded once the krogan achieved industrialization, leading to wars over resources and living space. Other species on Tuchanka suffered greatly as the krogan expanded. When the krogan ran out of land, they settled into an arms race that ended in nuclear devastation. Tuchanka's relatively short Golden Age was at an end. "

They fought over resources, not just to thin out the population. This is something humans have done plenty of times, are doing now and will probably do again.

Culture:
 "The harsh krogan homeworld conditioned the krogan psychology for toughness just as it did the body. Krogan have always had a tendency to be selfish, unsympathetic, and blunt. They respect strength and self-reliance and are neither surprised nor offended by treachery. The weak and selfless do not live long. In their culture, "looking out for number one" is simply a matter of course. "
And the fact that they were beaten suggests that the Turians are strong. Therefore they'd respect the Turians. Humans have also proved themselves strong, and so would also have earned Krogan respect. The Asari and Salarians didn't have Krogan respect, because they were weak. being selfish, unsympathetic and blunt doesn't lead one to believe that nuclear war is a good idea though.

"This solitary attitude stems in part from a deep sense of fatalism and futility, a profound social effect of the genophage that caused krogan numbers to dwindle to a relative handful. Not only are they angry that the entire galaxy seems out to get them, the krogan are also generally pessimistic about their race's chances of survival. The surviving krogan see no point to building for the future; there will be no future. The krogan live with an attitude of "kill, pillage, and be selfish, for tomorrow we die." 

The codex suggests that the genophage made their culture worse.

Blood rage:
"In the grip of that madness, krogan become seemingly invincible, but are merely totally unresponsive to pain. "Blood-enraged" krogan fight regardless of injury level, to the extent that krogan shorn of all four limbs continue gnashing past brain death until total somatic death.The supremely resilient, hyper-violent blood rage is the synergy of two aspects of krogan neurology. The first aspect is a positive feedback loop in which adrenalin, also activated by fear or rage, suppresses serotonin, the brain chemical that induces serenity. The second is the over-developed krogan limbic system. In krogan, as in humans, fear or rage shifts mental control from the frontal lobes, responsible for reasoning, to the limbic system, responsible for aggression and survival. During that shift, krogan and humans exhibit diminished capacity for logic and self-control.Prior to the ecological devastation of Tuchanka, blood rage was extremely rare among the krogan. Back then, while all krogan were capable of heightened anger and violence in fight-or-flight scenarios, almost none experienced insensitivity to pain. The one percent who did were those suffering serotonin-suppression. At that time, krogan society regarded the condition as pathological, and medicated or imprisoned sufferers to protect them and society.

Following nuclear ecocide four millennia ago, evolution selected only those krogan afflicted with blood rage for survival. Today there is no living memory among the krogan of a life without mindless, murderous fury. "

Blood Rage is certainly an issue, but it also makes the Krogan stupid while they're in that state. It was also incredibly rare before the nuclear devestation that the Krogan had blood rage. So it seems quite unlikely that this was the cause of the Nuclear holocaust. And if it was, it was due to a small handful of individuals (which is what you said about humans right?)

There is nothing in there that suggests the Krogan thought nuclear war was a good idea, and nothing that says they think so now.

Nowadays the Blood Rage is still problematic, but I imagine if the Salarians are capable of designing the Genophage, they're more than capable of sorting the Blood Rage issue. Currently the Krogan are weak enough, for the Council races to force this on them if necessary.

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Krogan were barbaric before they destroyed their civilization, and they are even more barbaric now.

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OP Is Trolling,a xenophobic racist north korean,A Imperium of man follower or is Kim jong-un.

My bet that its actually kim jong-un.

Modifié par Darkomega245, 13 mai 2012 - 03:58 .


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OP Is Trolling,a xenophobic racist north korean,A Imperium of man follower or is Kim jong-un.

My bet that its actually kim jong-un.


OP is a krogan-shoe making genius. A mad genius, much like Okeer ironically, but one nevertheless. Did you even read the post about his one man war against the all bro-gan?

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The Krogan are so human like aren't they!!

#408
Catamantaloedis

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Not at all.

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OP is a fool, we should eat him.
And have you even paid attention to Wrex and Eve's ideas?
Well apparently, it looks like you haven't.

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VarrenSoldier wrote...

OP is a fool, we should eat him.
And have you even paid attention to Wrex and Eve's ideas?
Well apparently, it looks like you haven't.


Did you even read the OP?

The Krogan breed like rabbits. They'll be peaceful for now, but they already are begging for more planets. And what happens when they overpopulate those planets? Then they'll overpopulate some more. The Krogan don't use condoms.

They must be made slaves or destroyed.

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"The Krogan don't use condoms. They must be made slaves or destroyed."
This made my day, sir!

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This guy doesn't even try with his trolling, does he?

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Captain Noodle wrote...

This guy doesn't even try with his trolling, does he?


Is that the word of the day around here?

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Catamantaloedis wrote...

Captain Noodle wrote...

This guy doesn't even try with his trolling, does he?


Is that the word of the day around here?


Only when you're posting.

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Captain Noodle wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

Captain Noodle wrote...

This guy doesn't even try with his trolling, does he?


Is that the word of the day around here?


Only when you're posting.


So it's my fault that I'm the only light of logic in a world full of the darkness of ignorance and stupidity?

I tell you today, my friend, I troll you not.

Modifié par Catamantaloedis, 13 mai 2012 - 07:06 .


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Cameltoeleonidas wrote...

Captain Noodle wrote...

This guy doesn't even try with his trolling, does he?


Is that the word of the day around here?

Insubridably...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 13 mai 2012 - 07:05 .


#417
Catamantaloedis

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Don't be a fool.

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Wrex.

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Shepard.

#420
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This thread requires..................

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I agree, trash it, trash it now.

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Catamantaloedis wrote...

 Why would I as a good upstanding human

Good one.

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Catamantaloedis wrote...

Don't be a fool.

You should eat them.

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Modifié par Deltateam Elcor, 13 mai 2012 - 06:14 .


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OP, you really should meet the people who think it's wrong to kill Reapers.
Also,
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Modifié par Sauruz, 13 mai 2012 - 06:22 .