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[Terrorize69]

Catamantaloedis wrote...

Terrorize69 wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

I'm going to assume you have the intellectual capacity of a 9th grader. 

Just because humans can imagine something doesn't mean that it accurately reflects humanity as a whole. Or are humans now comparable to demons and sasquatch because we dreamed those up too?

I went back on my word I admit. I didn't ignore the useless information you posted. 

Oh noes insults over teh net!



Well, guess I'll just have to assume you've actually yet to go to school, your history is lacking.. like completely. Hate to break it to you, our history isn't all rainbows and picnics, so...

Last post to you:

You argument has now degenerated to stating that I believe that human history is all flowers and fairies. I state that I never believed that nor did I state it, but that Krogan are much worse, with evidence having been demonstrated. You continue with the same statements as if repetition will make it true, and in the final confirmation of your defeat you begin spamming pictures because you have nothing to add.

Thus you have lost. Leave with dignity while you still can.

Oh please, if you actually knew anything about human history, you'd know that..

1) We are worse then the Krogan, 100%

2) If I was to list every foul bit of Human history on the forum, i'd break it.

3) Krogan history takes up half a wiki page, Human history fills libraries.

You lost the second you started to believe that fictional history is worse then our own.

[Samtheman63]

wow. those are 3 really, really stupid points, you cant be serious can you!?

[Catamantaloedis]

Samtheman63 wrote...

wow. those are 3 really, really stupid points, you cant be serious can you!?

Don't even attempt to argue.

[thesnake777]

Terrorize69 wrote...



Oh please, if you actually knew anything about human history, you'd know that..

1) We are worse then the Krogan, 100%

2) If I was to list every foul bit of Human history on the forum, i'd break it.

3) Krogan history takes up half a wiki page, Human history fills libraries.

You lost the second you started to believe that fictional history is worse then our own.

I find myself unsure of what your point is. Your saying that humans are worse then Krogan..and you prove this by stateing there is not enough information on Krogan to do a comparison so they have not commited as many "foul" actions through out their history.  Is that your main point? 

[Terrorize69]

Samtheman63 wrote...

wow. those are 3 really, really stupid points, you cant be serious can you!?

Stupid points for a stupid argument.

[Catamantaloedis]

Terrorize69 wrote...

Samtheman63 wrote...

wow. those are 3 really, really stupid points, you cant be serious can you!?

Stupid points for a stupid argument.

So you're admitting that you points are as stupid as your argument? Very wise.

[Terrorize69]

thesnake777 wrote...

Terrorize69 wrote...



Oh please, if you actually knew anything about human history, you'd know that..

1) We are worse then the Krogan, 100%

2) If I was to list every foul bit of Human history on the forum, i'd break it.

3) Krogan history takes up half a wiki page, Human history fills libraries.

You lost the second you started to believe that fictional history is worse then our own.

I find myself unsure of what your point is. Your saying that humans are worse then Krogan..and you prove this by stateing there is not enough information on Krogan to do a comparison so they have not commited as many "foul" actions through out their history.  Is that your main point? 

Basically, if you take everything we know about Human history, and compare it to everything we know about Krogan history. It's pretty clear which of the two are worse. The OP is condeeming an entire race for that little info we do know, while defending a race (us) saying we are better, when theres countless information/events that shadows the savage Krogan history compared to ours.

[Terrorize69]

Catamantaloedis wrote...

Terrorize69 wrote...

Samtheman63 wrote...

wow. those are 3 really, really stupid points, you cant be serious can you!?

Stupid points for a stupid argument.

So you're admitting that you points are as stupid as your argument? Very wise.

It takes two to argue, yes. Our Argument is stupid. We may aswell be arguing "Is water wet". Its that stupid and pointless to declare a limited fictional history is more worse then our vast non-fiction one.

Oh and you replied again to me, just saying.

Modifié par Terrorize69, 18 juin 2012 - 08:52 .

[thesnake777]

Terrorize69 wrote...

Basically, if you take everything we know about Human history, and compare it to everything we know about Krogan history. It's pretty clear which of the two are worse. The OP is condeeming an entire race for that little info we do know, while defending a race (us) saying we are better, when theres countless information/events that shadows the savage Krogan history compared to ours.

Its also implied that the Krogan have always been a war like Race...that lives to fight and destroy other races..I dont see how Humans are worse... I understand that your saying there are may things through out human history that would Show that humans can be monsterious in our own right..but again this is based off of only one side of the picture..the Krogan turned on their allies and began pushing back the whole galaxy... Even before that the galaxy was concerned about them and only turned to them for help ... they also destroyed thier own planet with Nukes...this implies that the krogan have also have an extremly dark history... To say that humans are worse just becuase we dont know the full history of the Krogan..doent make much sense. Thats how I see it anyway.

[Terrorize69]

thesnake777 wrote...

Terrorize69 wrote...

Basically, if you take everything we know about Human history, and compare it to everything we know about Krogan history. It's pretty clear which of the two are worse. The OP is condeeming an entire race for that little info we do know, while defending a race (us) saying we are better, when theres countless information/events that shadows the savage Krogan history compared to ours.

Its also implied that the Krogan have always been a war like Race...that lives to fight and destroy other races..I dont see how Humans are worse... I understand that your saying there are may things through out human history that would Show that humans can be monsterious in our own right..but again this is based off of only one side of the picture..the Krogan turned on their allies and began pushing back the whole galaxy... Even before that the galaxy was concerned about them and only turned to them for help ... they also destroyed thier own planet with Nukes...this implies that the krogan have also have an extremly dark history... To say that humans are worse just becuase we dont know the full history of the Krogan..doent make much sense. Thats how I see it anyway.

Ok for now, lets focus on history that we do know. We'll put them on equal footing.

So let's say, 30years ago from the events of Mass Effect, to the current date. Basically since Humans joined the rest of the Galaxy.

Wars/Inter-species incidents:

Humans: 2 (Turian and Batarain)
Krogans: 0 (Ontop of this they have a new Geno released on them)

I'm pretty sure its safe to assume that if the Krogan HAD waged war etc in the last 30years, it would of been mentioned.

So in the span of 30years, Humans have caused more war/conflict then the Krogan.

Modifié par Terrorize69, 18 juin 2012 - 09:09 .

[thesnake777]

Terrorize69 wrote...

Ok for now, lets focus on history that we do know. We'll put them on equal footing.

So let's say, 30years ago from the events of Mass Effect, to the current date. Basically since Humans joined the rest of the Galaxy.

Wars/Inter-species incidents:

Humans: 2 (Turian and Batarain)
Krogans: 0 (Ontop of this they have a new Geno released on them)

I'm pretty sure its safe to assume that if the Krogan HAD waged war etc in the last 30years, it would of been mentioned.

So in the span of 30years, Humans have caused more war/conflict then the Krogan.

True in the past 30 years the krogan as a entire species has not been very active..however they have been involved in every major confilct through all the systems are guns for hire. That doesnt include the blood fueds that are always going on tuchunka. As we both know the only reason the Krogan are in this state is becuase of the genophadge, they lack the numbers to commit to full scale war with the other species...if we include this(I realize that it goes back to before the first contact war) they have been invloced in a interspecies war against the Turians, Salarins, Asari, Rachni...and mybe a few others but you get the point. 

[Terrorize69]

thesnake777 wrote...

Terrorize69 wrote...

Ok for now, lets focus on history that we do know. We'll put them on equal footing.

So let's say, 30years ago from the events of Mass Effect, to the current date. Basically since Humans joined the rest of the Galaxy.

Wars/Inter-species incidents:

Humans: 2 (Turian and Batarain)
Krogans: 0 (Ontop of this they have a new Geno released on them)

I'm pretty sure its safe to assume that if the Krogan HAD waged war etc in the last 30years, it would of been mentioned.

So in the span of 30years, Humans have caused more war/conflict then the Krogan.

True in the past 30 years the krogan as a entire species has not been very active..however they have been involved in every major confilct through all the systems are guns for hire. That doesnt include the blood fueds that are always going on tuchunka. As we both know the only reason the Krogan are in this state is becuase of the genophadge, they lack the numbers to commit to full scale war with the other species...if we include this(I realize that it goes back to before the first contact war) they have been invloced in a interspecies war against the Turians, Salarins, Asari, Rachni...and mybe a few others but you get the point. 

The bolded part can be said for nearly all races, Vorcha, Turian, Batarian, Salarian, Asari.

And to top if off for Humans, we have Cerberus, I believe Cerberus commit far more foul acts then the blood fueds on Tuchunka do. So even when you divide both races up into the little groups, Human groups (mainly Cerberus) are far more savage/foul/cruel etc.

The last bit kinda swings both ways, we know very little about the Rachni wars and then the Krogan Rebellion, we mainly only hear one side, anti-Krogan. Then also if you want to go that far back, to make it fair you need to account Human history up untill then also., WW1/2, The Holocaust, The Cold War (If that went differently, well, Earth would be Tuchunka) The Gulf Wars, Vietnam... Theres more and thats just the last 100years.

While we don't know much about the Korgan after the Geno was unleashed, we do know they reteated back home to brood, and we arn't told of any major events after that. We can assume they havnt been any since the Galaxy and Krogan like to remind us about the other wars, if there had been others, they would remind us of them also.

So apart form blood fueds for 1-2k years, they stayed silent, Savage but silent/uneventful. Can't say the same for the last 1-2k years of Human history.

[thesnake777]

Terrorize69 wrote...

The bolded part can be said for nearly all races, Vorcha, Turian, Batarian, Salarian, Asari.

And to top if off for Humans, we have Cerberus, I believe Cerberus commit far more foul acts then the blood fueds on Tuchunka do. So even when you divide both races up into the little groups, Human groups (mainly Cerberus) are far more savage/foul/cruel etc.

The last bit kinda swings both ways, we know very little about the Rachni wars and then the Krogan Rebellion, we mainly only hear one side, anti-Krogan. Then also if you want to go that far back, to make it fair you need to account Human history up untill then also., WW1/2, The Holocaust, The Cold War (If that went differently, well, Earth would be Tuchunka) The Gulf Wars, Vietnam... Theres more and thats just the last 100years.

While we don't know much about the Korgan after the Geno was unleashed, we do know they reteated back home to brood, and we arn't told of any major events after that. We can assume they havnt been any since the Galaxy and Krogan like to remind us about the other wars, if there had been others, they would remind us of them also.

So apart form blood fueds for 1-2k years, they stayed silent, Savage but silent/uneventful. Can't say the same for the last 1-2k years of Human history.

The STG pulls the same stuff that Cerberus does..and that is a matter of perspective..Pointing to Cerberus and saying that they are the only monsters in the glaxey does not really work..every other species has some group that does the same thing.  

Krogan mercs are in high demand..much more then anyother kind..the blood pack is considered the most ruthless of the three major mercenary bands..

You keep comparing human history to krogan history..when we do not know their history outside of a few major galactic incidents..the reason they would remain silent is beacuse no one is welcome on Tuchunka...just becuase the rest of glaxy does not know whats going on, does not mean there is not dark things happening on Tuchunka..also what is considred the norm for a krogan? the clans kill each other left and right..the only reason they do not rise up again is becuase they lack the numbers becuase of the genophdage...You are correct thatEarth could have ended up like Tuchunka during the cold war..but that dident happen..so already there is a difference between human history and Krogan history..they slaughtered each other...and forced the races of the galaxy to make the genophadge becuase of what they were doing to them..the turians were pushed back..the krogan used asteroids against the turian homeplant..as well as much more I am sure. So saying that they are silent is not really true...

[Catamantaloedis]

The genophage is the only instrument holding back another Krogan horde. My simple question is why risk it? Why even give them a chance to adapt to the genophage. Burn them all along with Tuchanka and galactic stability will be ensured.

[Khajiit Jzargo]

Catamantaloedis wrote...

The genophage is the only instrument holding back another Krogan horde. My simple question is why risk it? Why even give them a chance to adapt to the genophage. Burn them all along with Tuchanka and galactic stability will be ensured.

To defeat the Reapers, then, I guess if they turn into brutes again and decide to take over the galaxy, we go and destroy them.

Modifié par Khajiit Jzargo, 18 juin 2012 - 09:44 .

[thesnake777]

Catamantaloedis wrote...

The genophage is the only instrument holding back another Krogan horde. My simple question is why risk it? Why even give them a chance to adapt to the genophage. Burn them all along with Tuchanka and galactic stability will be ensured.

The Reaper war has taken its toll on Humans...Even if Cerberus leads the charge to insure our dominance we need more bodies to finsh off the other races..so If we use Krogan as shock troops it would make life easier..hopefully the Horde will be damanged by the inital attack..then we can deal with them after Humans have had a chance to regroup..they are dangerous and could wipe out all other organics..but if you help them the leader Wrex Wreav whoever would owe humanity..how long that would last is unknown but they have potential to advance humanity.

[Catamantaloedis]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

The genophage is the only instrument holding back another Krogan horde. My simple question is why risk it? Why even give them a chance to adapt to the genophage. Burn them all along with Tuchanka and galactic stability will be ensured.

To defeat the Reapers, then, I guess if they turn into brutes again and decide to take over the galaxy, we go and destroy them.

It's much better to simply trick them in the short term because the short term is the only time that matters. If the Crucible fails then everything is lost.

Therefore it's best to trick them and gain their numbers now, and in the long term you end up with angry, but weak Krogan. They will be vulnerable then. Otherwise, you'd have Krogan with free reign to destroy galactic civilization and no force to stop them.

[en2ym3]

Mahrac wrote...

Can't believe I missed the start of this one
Also, this.

wsandista wrote...

It's "WOULD You Kindly," guys.  There is no power in "Will."

[Terrorize69]

thesnake777 wrote...

Terrorize69 wrote...

The bolded part can be said for nearly all races, Vorcha, Turian, Batarian, Salarian, Asari.

And to top if off for Humans, we have Cerberus, I believe Cerberus commit far more foul acts then the blood fueds on Tuchunka do. So even when you divide both races up into the little groups, Human groups (mainly Cerberus) are far more savage/foul/cruel etc.

The last bit kinda swings both ways, we know very little about the Rachni wars and then the Krogan Rebellion, we mainly only hear one side, anti-Krogan. Then also if you want to go that far back, to make it fair you need to account Human history up untill then also., WW1/2, The Holocaust, The Cold War (If that went differently, well, Earth would be Tuchunka) The Gulf Wars, Vietnam... Theres more and thats just the last 100years.

While we don't know much about the Korgan after the Geno was unleashed, we do know they reteated back home to brood, and we arn't told of any major events after that. We can assume they havnt been any since the Galaxy and Krogan like to remind us about the other wars, if there had been others, they would remind us of them also.

So apart form blood fueds for 1-2k years, they stayed silent, Savage but silent/uneventful. Can't say the same for the last 1-2k years of Human history.

You keep comparing human history to krogan history..when we do not know their history outside of a few major galactic incidents..the reason they would remain silent is beacuse no one is welcome on Tuchunka...just becuase the rest of glaxy does not know whats going on, does not mean there is not dark things happening on Tuchunka..also what is considred the norm for a krogan? the clans kill each other left and right..the only reason they do not rise up again is becuase they lack the numbers becuase of the genophdage...You are correct thatEarth could have ended up like Tuchunka during the cold war..but that dident happen..so already there is a difference between human history and Krogan history..they slaughtered each other...and forced the races of the galaxy to make the genophadge becuase of what they were doing to them..the turians were pushed back..the krogan used asteroids against the turian homeplant..as well as much more I am sure. So saying that they are silent is not really true...

Which brings me back to my point. Known history, Krogan vs Humans. Humans are worse.

I fully accept that there could be very dark/savage parts of Krogan history that we don't know. But that's all speculation, and you can't compare that to facts. Mordin (fairly sure it was him) says that after the Geno, there was little incident with the rest of the Galaxy. That's not to say that stuff didn't happen planetside, but again. Speculation doesn't go up against facts.

As the facts stand, using known history, Humans are far more savage. Yes I accept that if the Krogans never had the Geno unleashed on them, this could be a very different story. Like the cold war.

As do I accept that in there past Krogans have been savage, but to condeem the future of the race over the actions of their ancestors? Its been 1-2k years, living as a near sterile race. 

That's like saying.. all Germans should be condeemed over the actions of those from 70years ago. Like you said, perspective.

[spirosz]

Humans aren't savage? My mistake.

[thesnake777]

Terrorize69 wrote...


Which brings me back to my point. Known history, Krogan vs Humans. Humans are worse.

I fully accept that there could be very dark/savage parts of Krogan history that we don't know. But that's all speculation, and you can't compare that to facts. Mordin (fairly sure it was him) says that after the Geno, there was little incident with the rest of the Galaxy. That's not to say that stuff didn't happen planetside, but again. Speculation doesn't go up against facts.

As the facts stand, using known history, Humans are far more savage. Yes I accept that if the Krogans never had the Geno unleashed on them, this could be a very different story. Like the cold war.

As do I accept that in there past Krogans have been savage, but to condeem the future of the race over the actions of their ancestors? Its been 1-2k years, living as a near sterile race. 

That's like saying.. all Germans should be condeemed over the actions of those from 70years ago. Like you said, perspective.

....Ich bin Deutsch.

It really comes down to the fact that Krogan have a much higher blood lust then Humans do..they also are stronger and harder to kill..I think that they are worse..I am also jaded in my opinon beacuse I am human. You state yourself that without the genophadge things would have been very different in the galaxy..the fact that thr krogan needed the genophadge to calm them down and humans dident says alot about who is worse. 

[Khajiit Jzargo]

Catamantaloedis wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

The genophage is the only instrument holding back another Krogan horde. My simple question is why risk it? Why even give them a chance to adapt to the genophage. Burn them all along with Tuchanka and galactic stability will be ensured.

To defeat the Reapers, then, I guess if they turn into brutes again and decide to take over the galaxy, we go and destroy them.

It's much better to simply trick them in the short term because the short term is the only time that matters. If the Crucible fails then everything is lost.

Therefore it's best to trick them and gain their numbers now, and in the long term you end up with angry, but weak Krogan. They will be vulnerable then. Otherwise, you'd have Krogan with free reign to destroy galactic civilization and no force to stop them.

True, but in a real life situation, I would be afraid and probaly not risk it, therefore curing the Genophage and then if they get out of control, attacking them. Maybe developing another sort of Genophage, releasing it, they become weak again and then attack.

Modifié par Khajiit Jzargo, 18 juin 2012 - 09:58 .

[thesnake777]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
True, but in a real life situation, I would be afraid and probaly not risk it, therefore curing the Genophage and then if they get out of control, attacking them. Maybe developing another sort of Genophage, releasing it, they become weak again and then attack.

This would work..the truth is it would be even easier to reintroduce the Genophadge into the population..the krogan trust humans after curing them..so gaining access to tuchunka would not be difficult.

[Terrorize69]

thesnake777 wrote...

Terrorize69 wrote...


Which brings me back to my point. Known history, Krogan vs Humans. Humans are worse.

I fully accept that there could be very dark/savage parts of Krogan history that we don't know. But that's all speculation, and you can't compare that to facts. Mordin (fairly sure it was him) says that after the Geno, there was little incident with the rest of the Galaxy. That's not to say that stuff didn't happen planetside, but again. Speculation doesn't go up against facts.

As the facts stand, using known history, Humans are far more savage. Yes I accept that if the Krogans never had the Geno unleashed on them, this could be a very different story. Like the cold war.

As do I accept that in there past Krogans have been savage, but to condeem the future of the race over the actions of their ancestors? Its been 1-2k years, living as a near sterile race. 

That's like saying.. all Germans should be condeemed over the actions of those from 70years ago. Like you said, perspective.

....Ich bin Deutsch.

It really comes down to the fact that Krogan have a much higher blood lust then Humans do..they also are stronger and harder to kill..I think that they are worse..I am also jaded in my opinon beacuse I am human. You state yourself that without the genophadge things would have been very different in the galaxy..the fact that thr krogan needed the genophadge to calm them down and humans dident says alot about who is worse. 

Brain vs Brawn, doesn't make one more savage then the other. Which in this case Brain won. (Salarian)

Lol I can understand that, It's hard to listen to negative views against your race/kind/etc. You'll naturally wana defend them, and it makes you biased, but thats not a bad thing.

I also state that if the Cold War went a different way the Earth could/would be no more. Ifs and Buts can't be used to form a far view/opinion on something.

Hate to use another WW2 remark but... "If Churchill was actually an ex-n*zi general, does that make him less of a hero?"

^A very stupid comment, but it points out how If/But's don't change facts about a person/race/nation

[Catamantaloedis]

thesnake777 wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
True, but in a real life situation, I would be afraid and probaly not risk it, therefore curing the Genophage and then if they get out of control, attacking them. Maybe developing another sort of Genophage, releasing it, they become weak again and then attack.

This would work..the truth is it would be even easier to reintroduce the Genophadge into the population..the krogan trust humans after curing them..so gaining access to tuchunka would not be difficult.

Sure they'd be more trusting. But they'd probably take steps to ensure that another genophage would never be possible.

That's why I think it's better to simply kill two birds with one stone by destroying the Reapers and any hope for the genophage together.

Modifié par Catamantaloedis, 18 juin 2012 - 10:23 .