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[Catamantaloedis]

My logic is undeniable.

[hex23]

Catamantaloedis wrote...

 Why would I as a good upstanding human, ever cure the genophage? It keeps one of the most savage races in the whole galaxy under wraps and ensures that no human will ever have to die fighting some barbaric krogan horde. Even Wrex is just brute who will eventually try to expand his territory, maybe diplomatically for some time. His successors won't be so amenable.

In my opinion, the genophage doesn't go far out. Once we've tricked the Krogan into aiding us, of course after Wrex has been killed, then we should take the fight to Tuchanka and exterminate them as a race.

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[Sepharih]

Catamantaloedis wrote...

 Why would I as a good upstanding human, ever cure the genophage?

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

[Catamantaloedis]

Sepharih wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

 Why would I as a good upstanding human, ever cure the genophage?

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

No Krogan is a friend to me. A tool perhaps.

[legion999]

Catamantaloedis wrote...

My logic is undeniable.

Oh come on you're not even trying now.

0/10.

[Henioo]

I will indulge you.

You know them Germans, right? They kind of started two world wars and caused unimaginable suffering with their warfare and imperialism. Also Japan, i.e. the rape of Nanking.

Yet, they were not all killed for allegiance. And look, it's been over 70 years since the last war and the mentioned partied have peacefully rejoined the international community. And I am sure some thought this would never happen, and another war was sure to rise.

The krogan may very well become a threat again, but they can also become respecful allies in years to come.

Close-mindedness is what kills poople.

Modifié par Henioo, 10 mai 2012 - 11:24 .

[Sepharih]

Catamantaloedis wrote...

Sepharih wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

 Why would I as a good upstanding human, ever cure the genophage?

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

No Krogan is a friend to me. A tool perhaps.

Fair enough, but whether you consider wrex a brother from another mother (like me), or a tool to be used in your war against the reapers, curing the genophage is the clear and obvious choice.  Tactically, it makes no sense to risk an alliance with the Krogan when the Reaper's are at your doorstep.

[Catamantaloedis]

FemaleMageFan wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

FemaleMageFan wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

FemaleMageFan wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

FemaleMageFan wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

FemaleMageFan wrote...

I can only cure the genophage if wrex is in power. Wreav on the other hand....

Then you're a short-sighted fool. Savages will always be savages.

LOL uhmm i did not expect that response. Savages are a product of their enviroment. In a world of turmoil and despair people will always look for someone to lead. If that leader brings good they will follow him(with a few outliers). This is exactly what Wrex is doing.

You can put a pig in purple robes, and put him on a throne with a crown. It's not a king. It's a pig.

Krogan are pigs, except less restrained.

If the pig civilization shows any form of heirarchy that pig will be king to it's fellow pigs. Ha! So much hate for the korgan race. Is there something i should know about?

Nothing more than presented in the game. The Krogan have an insatiable propensity for manical warfare, and worst of all uncontrolled breeding. They'll overrun the whole damned universe coupling like rabbits. Except these rabbits have little intellectual capacity, and are practically indestructible in comparions to the civilized, superior races.

Funny thing similar patterns in such types of arguments show that the person who is against the notion...is usually scared of the topic we are talking about.....Are you terrified of the krogan?  "Better get rid of them before they spread their fear right?"...but i challenge you. Look at their conditions. Don't they have they have to be angry and shoot everyone in the face?...I mean a race on the verge of extiction should cause for a lot of anger and desperation don'tyathink?

They shouldn't even be on the verge of extinction. They should just be simply extinct. As soon as they outlived their use, they should have been pushed back to Tuchanka, and the Council races should have rained nuclear hellfire on every last Krogan man, woman, and child. Tuchanka should have been made a nuclear wasteland, uninhabitable for the next 10,000 years. Every aspect of life on that planet exterminated. A few hundred krogan should have been removed from the planet as test subjects, and to serve as warnings against the rest of the savage creatures of the galaxy. The history of the krogan people should have been wiped from every text, from every database. The name Krogan should have been transformed into a synonym for savage. No one should even be allowed to say the word Tuchanka without the punishment of death!

This is what i miss. Having conversations about the game and not arguiing about the ending. Thank you very much op. I enjoyed the debate

I don't debate. I instruct.

[Catamantaloedis]

Sepharih wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

Sepharih wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

 Why would I as a good upstanding human, ever cure the genophage?

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

No Krogan is a friend to me. A tool perhaps.

Fair enough, but whether you consider wrex a brother from another mother (like me), or a tool to be used in your war against the reapers, curing the genophage is the clear and obvious choice.  Tactically, it makes no sense to risk an alliance with the Krogan when the Reaper's are at your doorstep.

The short term is the only time that matters. If the Krogan cannot buy enough time in the short term for the Crucible to work, then curing the genophage is irrelevant. Therefore it is unnecessary.

[ediskrad327]

yeah well i can't wait to see how the krogan on Earth will react when they discover the the cure was fake, CHAOS IN THE STREETS!

[Zardoc]

Sepharih wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

 Why would I as a good upstanding human, ever cure the genophage?

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Wrong. The enemy of my enemy is my ally, not my friend.

Modifié par Zardoc, 10 mai 2012 - 11:33 .

[Sepharih]

Catamantaloedis wrote...

Sepharih wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

Sepharih wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

 Why would I as a good upstanding human, ever cure the genophage?

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

No Krogan is a friend to me. A tool perhaps.

Fair enough, but whether you consider wrex a brother from another mother (like me), or a tool to be used in your war against the reapers, curing the genophage is the clear and obvious choice.  Tactically, it makes no sense to risk an alliance with the Krogan when the Reaper's are at your doorstep.

The short term is the only time that matters. If the Krogan cannot buy enough time in the short term for the Crucible to work, then curing the genophage is irrelevant. Therefore it is unnecessary.

You're missing the point.  The Genophage cure and whatever offspring result may have no impact in the war against the Reapers but it was the central demand the Krogans made to join the alliance against the reapers.  Ergo, if the Krogan find out that you've lied to them and betrayed them, that alliance is broken and you can kiss the reinforcements goodbye.

It's not a tactically smart decision.

[Sepharih]

Zardoc wrote...

Sepharih wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

 Why would I as a good upstanding human, ever cure the genophage?

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Wrong. The enemy of my enemy is my ally, not my friend.

Sure, whatever.

[Catamantaloedis]

Sepharih wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

Sepharih wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

Sepharih wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

 Why would I as a good upstanding human, ever cure the genophage?

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

No Krogan is a friend to me. A tool perhaps.

Fair enough, but whether you consider wrex a brother from another mother (like me), or a tool to be used in your war against the reapers, curing the genophage is the clear and obvious choice.  Tactically, it makes no sense to risk an alliance with the Krogan when the Reaper's are at your doorstep.

The short term is the only time that matters. If the Krogan cannot buy enough time in the short term for the Crucible to work, then curing the genophage is irrelevant. Therefore it is unnecessary.

You're missing the point.  The Genophage cure and whatever offspring result may have no impact in the war against the Reapers but it was the central demand the Krogans made to join the alliance against the reapers.  Ergo, if the Krogan find out that you've lied to them and betrayed them, that alliance is broken and you can kiss the reinforcements goodbye.

It's not a tactically smart decision.

Not if they don't find out about, which as the game suggests, will happen if Wrex is deceased. It's not that hard to deceive such a stupid race. If they are told that it will take the genophage a few months or even years, who are they to disbelieve?

Modifié par Catamantaloedis, 10 mai 2012 - 11:36 .

[hoodaticus]

Wrex is my bro, and I'm almost certain that the Krogan horde to be will worship me as their savior for ten thousand years.

Modifié par hoodaticus, 10 mai 2012 - 11:37 .

[FodoSatoru]

Henioo wrote...

I will indulge you.

You know them Germans, right? They kind of started two world wars and caused unimaginable suffering with their warfare and imperialism. Also Japan, i.e. the rape of Nanking.

Yet, they were not all killed for allegiance. And look, it's been over 70 years since the last war and the mentioned partied have peacefully rejoined the international community. And I am sure some thought this would never happen, and another war was sure to rise.

The krogan may very well become a threat again, but they can also become respecful allies in years to come.

Close-mindedness is what kills poople.

Yeah, your mind is so open that you must feel so lonely and lost in all that space. How can you compare such things? Do the Krogan have any redeeming qualities? Or any history periods of peaceful coexistence before the genophage? Because every time I read something about the Krogan it is only war and violence. You evidently don't know what are you talking about.

[Catamantaloedis]

FodoSatoru wrote...

Henioo wrote...

I will indulge you.

You know them Germans, right? They kind of started two world wars and caused unimaginable suffering with their warfare and imperialism. Also Japan, i.e. the rape of Nanking.

Yet, they were not all killed for allegiance. And look, it's been over 70 years since the last war and the mentioned partied have peacefully rejoined the international community. And I am sure some thought this would never happen, and another war was sure to rise.

The krogan may very well become a threat again, but they can also become respecful allies in years to come.

Close-mindedness is what kills poople.

Yeah, your mind is so open that you must feel so lonely and lost in all that space. How can you compare such things? Do the Krogan have any redeeming qualities? Or any history periods of peaceful coexistence before the genophage? Because every time I read something about the Krogan it is only war and violence. You evidently don't know what are you talking about.

This is exactly right.

[Zardoc]

FodoSatoru wrote...

Henioo wrote...

I will indulge you.

You know them Germans, right? They kind of started two world wars and caused unimaginable suffering with their warfare and imperialism. Also Japan, i.e. the rape of Nanking.

Yet, they were not all killed for allegiance. And look, it's been over 70 years since the last war and the mentioned partied have peacefully rejoined the international community. And I am sure some thought this would never happen, and another war was sure to rise.

The krogan may very well become a threat again, but they can also become respecful allies in years to come.

Close-mindedness is what kills poople.

Yeah, your mind is so open that you must feel so lonely and lost in all that space. How can you compare such things? Do the Krogan have any redeeming qualities? Or any history periods of peaceful coexistence before the genophage? Because every time I read something about the Krogan it is only war and violence. You evidently don't know what are you talking about.

The history of humanity is riddled with war and violence to this very day. Do we deserve to be wiped out? And we actually know for a fact that the krogans had a culture, it was just with the invention of modern day weaponry that they became overly warlike. Had they had the chance to rebuild after the Nuclear War they might be vastly different today, but thanks to the salarians they never had that chance. We also know that the females dislike the warmongery of the male krogan and would prefer to rebuild their ancient culture instead of constant warfare.

Modifié par Zardoc, 10 mai 2012 - 11:44 .

[QuantumSheep13]

Zee krogan must vee eliminated! Day are nuzink but zwine!

[FodoSatoru]

Zardoc wrote...

FodoSatoru wrote...

Henioo wrote...

I will indulge you.

You know them Germans, right? They kind of started two world wars and caused unimaginable suffering with their warfare and imperialism. Also Japan, i.e. the rape of Nanking.

Yet, they were not all killed for allegiance. And look, it's been over 70 years since the last war and the mentioned partied have peacefully rejoined the international community. And I am sure some thought this would never happen, and another war was sure to rise.

The krogan may very well become a threat again, but they can also become respecful allies in years to come.

Close-mindedness is what kills poople.

Yeah, your mind is so open that you must feel so lonely and lost in all that space. How can you compare such things? Do the Krogan have any redeeming qualities? Or any history periods of peaceful coexistence before the genophage? Because every time I read something about the Krogan it is only war and violence. You evidently don't know what are you talking about.

The history of humanity is riddled with war and violence to this very day. Do we deserve to be wiped out?

But not ONLY war and violence. Do you really can't see the difference between the krogan and humanity? Even in ME universe it is apparent. Besides, the genophage only modulates birth rate, it's not exterminate them.

Modifié par FodoSatoru, 10 mai 2012 - 11:46 .

[Sepharih]

Catamantaloedis wrote...

Sepharih wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

Sepharih wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

Sepharih wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

 Why would I as a good upstanding human, ever cure the genophage?

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

No Krogan is a friend to me. A tool perhaps.

Fair enough, but whether you consider wrex a brother from another mother (like me), or a tool to be used in your war against the reapers, curing the genophage is the clear and obvious choice.  Tactically, it makes no sense to risk an alliance with the Krogan when the Reaper's are at your doorstep.

The short term is the only time that matters. If the Krogan cannot buy enough time in the short term for the Crucible to work, then curing the genophage is irrelevant. Therefore it is unnecessary.

You're missing the point.  The Genophage cure and whatever offspring result may have no impact in the war against the Reapers but it was the central demand the Krogans made to join the alliance against the reapers.  Ergo, if the Krogan find out that you've lied to them and betrayed them, that alliance is broken and you can kiss the reinforcements goodbye.

It's not a tactically smart decision.

Not if they don't find out about, which as the game suggests, will happen if Wrex is deceased. It's not that hard to deceive such a stupid race. If they are told that it will take the genophage a few months or even years, who are they to disbelieve?

Doesn't change the fact that it's a HELL of a thing to be the farm on, and for what exactly? The personal and moral costs of not curing the genophage are very high, and the gains are incredibly insubstantial.

[Catamantaloedis]

The extinction of the genophage is very substantial for galactic civilization.

[Zardoc]

FodoSatoru wrote...

Zardoc wrote...

FodoSatoru wrote...

Henioo wrote...

I will indulge you.

You know them Germans, right? They kind of started two world wars and caused unimaginable suffering with their warfare and imperialism. Also Japan, i.e. the rape of Nanking.

Yet, they were not all killed for allegiance. And look, it's been over 70 years since the last war and the mentioned partied have peacefully rejoined the international community. And I am sure some thought this would never happen, and another war was sure to rise.

The krogan may very well become a threat again, but they can also become respecful allies in years to come.

Close-mindedness is what kills poople.

Yeah, your mind is so open that you must feel so lonely and lost in all that space. How can you compare such things? Do the Krogan have any redeeming qualities? Or any history periods of peaceful coexistence before the genophage? Because every time I read something about the Krogan it is only war and violence. You evidently don't know what are you talking about.

The history of humanity is riddled with war and violence to this very day. Do we deserve to be wiped out?

But not ONLY war and violence. Do you really can't see the difference between the krogan and humanity? Even in ME universe it is apparent. Besides, the genophage only modulates birth rate, it's not exterminate them.

Again, the krogan only recently began to go through their war phase when the salarians decided they needed them to wipe out the rachni. Before that the planet itself ensured that the krogan never had time to fight each other, seeing how it's a giant deathtrap. And quite frankly, the only difference between the humans and the krogan is that we were able to solve the Cuba Crisis peacefully.

And I wouldn't call a 1 to 1000 chance of a successful live birth "modulation". If the krogan had the chance for a cultural renaissance to change their ways, and a planet less...dangerous...they might be able to cope with the genophage properly. But thanks to the genophage most krogan completely lost hope to ever rebuild their culture and became essentially Death Seekers and just continued to fight and vented their anger against the universe instead of rebuilding. It's a vicious cycle, really.

[111987]

If you think about it, what Krogans have we met, in all the series, that aren't violent brutes? I count Eve...maybe Wrex...anyone else?

Besides, the Genophage isn't genocide. Look up the definition of genocide before you call the Genophage genocide.

It was the Salarians fault that the Krogan ended up the way they did, but just because they made a mistake back then doesn't mean they should try to make amends for it by commiting another mistake. The Krogan clearly, as a society, are not ready for the genophage. Perhaps sometime in the future, but not today.