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[Erield]

Atakuma wrote...

ThatGuy39 wrote...

There's a difference between having day 1 DLC, and having content THAT WAS ALREADY IN THE GAME being taken out and then sold as day 1 DLC. It would be like buying a car and then being told "Oh, the side mirrors? Yeah, they were on the car, but we took them off. But you can pay $500 to have them put back on"

Hardly, it's more like buying a new car and being told the seat warmers are extra.

Your analysis is flawed.  Javik the Prothean was designed and integrated into the game, and then ripped out to be sold seperately.  Seat warmers have never been an intended and integrated (if not necessarily integral) part of any car that I am aware of. 

The example ThatGuy39 provides of side mirrors is actually a damn good one.  What do side mirrors provide you when you drive?  More information about your surroundings, about what's going on.  Is it necessary?  No.  You can always turn your head to look (like you should anyway) before you change lanes, but they're helpful.  Javik is helpful in exactly the same way--he helps provide more information and context about **** that's going down, and what happened last time the Reapers invaded.

If the issue were purely Day 1 DLC, and nothing else, then I'd agree that it's overblown--however, due to other significant flaws in ME3 (that have been rehashed approximately 18 billion times) I believe that it is, at the least, a valid concern.  When you drop a thousand pounds of straw onto a camel's back all at once, you can argue about which piece of straw was the one that broke its back--or you can just accept that it was different for everyone which was too far, but that all combined it was a pretty ****ty thing to do.

[Blc949]

goose2989 wrote...

I'm all for business and usually am one of the people defending the corporate world, but when you so blatantly exploit your customers... it really leaves me scratching my head. It simply isn't a sustainable business practice. Sooner or later, EA is going to have a very bad time dealing with the years of treating their customers with such actions

I firmly believe this is a short term time of profit that will hurt the bottom line in the middle/long term.  You keep burning customers with add ons and eventually they avoid the main courses you're supplying.  I know I went from "take my money bioware" to "i'll borrow or wait for steep price cuts from here on out".

[goose2989]

2484Stryker wrote...

EA is a company and their goal is to make money. Nothing wrong with that. But there is a proper & improper way of going about it, and certainly without having to ruin developers and their games in the process.

Sadly, EA has yet to figure it out. They're simply trying to come up with more greedy ways of "gouging" their customers by testing the waters. First it was free DLC with new copies, then paid day-one DLCs and multiplayer stores. What's next? Game release by installments?

No way, EA.

Very true. I have absolutely no problem with huge profits. It's how you get there that bothers me. Buying small companies with new, intriguing IPs and then ruining them to make a quick profit is not a popular, or even sustainable, business model. They should be looking at trying to build goodwill between themselves and fans, and building long-term relationships.

Look at Apple. They are one of the shining examples of customer relations right now, and they have become filthy rich because of it. Hell, Apple is so popular with their customers, that their most important, loyal consumers are generally Liberals that hate the corporate world. They did that by continually treating their consumers with respect. EA is capable of doing so; they have the IPs to keep fans long-term. I just hope that EA goes through a culture change soon and decides to look at things long-term, not short-term

[SoloPala]

Bought ME3 at %50 off and i regret it, EA has turned Bioware into a mediocre company, and destroyed one of the best recent franchises in the process.

[Funkdrspot]

Lol gamers are so whiny over day-1 dlc and don't even comprehend how dlc and disc printing process works. Of course, like most group-think sheeple, they'll get up in arms over stuff before they actually invest 2 secondsof time into learning about said topic.

[Aaleel]

The Protheans wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

The Protheans wrote...

ThatGuy39 wrote...

That was a quote from the COO of EA. It shows how effed up a company EA is. He's so out of touch with reality he doesn't even know how much the DLC cost.

Did he even do the math.
Maybe I am wrong but a 40% attachment would be $24 or so.
800 msp DLC is generally considered $10 DLC.

I thought what he meant by attachment rate was 40% of the people who bought the game bought the DLC.  That's what I got from it.

 we saw a 40 percent attach rate that first week to DLC at GameStop in the United States. Not only are you selling a $60 game...you're selling $20 DLC, so the sale becomes $80,"

Actually maybe it has something to do with Gamestop.

I'm positive he means 40% of people who bought the game bought the DLC.  Attachment rate pretty much means the rate of sales for secondary products that can be used with the main product.

I'm actually shocked that only 40% of people bought it, I thought I would be in the 50-60% range.  I thought half at the least.

[Noblewolf]

EA is still standing where other "better" companys have died so they must be doing something right.

[Erield]

Funkdrspot wrote...

Lol gamers are so whiny over day-1 dlc and don't even comprehend how dlc and disc printing process works. Of course, like most group-think sheeple, they'll get up in arms over stuff before they actually invest 2 secondsof time into learning about said topic.

Let's look at the key-words you used.  "whiny," "don't...comprehend," "sheeple," and [paraphrase] "won't learn."

My friends, I believe we have a troll.

[Rip504]

Fingertrip wrote...

Don't like it, don't buy it. Simple enough.

It's a contradicting statement to say that you don't like EA and don't want to support them in any way, yet you play their games which they publish. It's a contradicting nature, and it's quite enjoyable to watch.

You'd have to understand from their point of view that that there's money to be made, and with all due respect- that's pretty much a basic 101 thing when it comes to driving a company in general, is to make some sort of profit. You can't exactly dislike a product in which you have not purchased either. They need to squeeze out a nice composition of quantity toppled with quality, this is where consumer feedback goes hand in hand.

Some people sure are bias. Our great philosophers are turning in their graves.

I like the Panthers,Watch the Panthers,go to football games in which the Panthers are playing. I am in NO way supporting the Panthers,Nope I am a Saints fan. A fan of football. Just as a gamer is a fan of games,not publishers. EA as a company deserves no support. They publish not create ME3. You can play ME and support Bioware and not EA. Yes EA is receiving your money,but not your support. This is a problem as EA does not care and are considered the worst company in America. Do you honestly think ME3 is the only reason EA won this award?

Agreed with the rest. I can play a video game without supporting anyone. ME3 made EA money,but it is not supporting EA. As EA foundation has already been laid. I support gaming and gamers. So yes I can look at my Maddens etc and tell you no I do not support EA as a company and would never suggest them to anyone. If you enjoy gaming it is your choice if you decide to play a game.
Hypothetical Example:I live in America and do not Support Obama,but I guess because I live in the US and pay taxes I do...

Also from the article itself. "The common argument has been "Don't like it, don't buy it." However that's far from the truth. A lot of gamers love Mass Effect, Street Fighter etc,. etc,. so when you find out some vital component for expanding the lore or enabling you to play as your favorite fighter is not part of the main game but instead bundled into a $10 or $20 DLC package it essentially means you're at a crossroad to either fork over extra cash for something you do like or simply not experience it at all."

In Exile wrote...

I'm a big supporter of day 1 DLC
increasing the cost of games. Adjusted for inflation, the price of games
over the last 10 years has fallen pretty radically. This is one of the
big reasons that video game companies have to dillute their more niche genres and chase after big crowds, combined with the non-linear increase in costs.

If prices could go up on games, that would make longer dev. times possible without massive audiences.

So they are still rushing the products,but releasing day1 dlc to make up for "inflation" and you are good with this?
Let's be honest it is EA's choice to create this mess,not the consumer. It is our fault for supporting it. But a gamer wants to play,and I can't hate on that. I will hate on EA for being such a lousy company. The worst in America,that is very justifiable...

Modifié par Rip504, 11 mai 2012 - 12:03 .

[The Protheans]

Aaleel wrote...

The Protheans wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

The Protheans wrote...

ThatGuy39 wrote...

That was a quote from the COO of EA. It shows how effed up a company EA is. He's so out of touch with reality he doesn't even know how much the DLC cost.

Did he even do the math.
Maybe I am wrong but a 40% attachment would be $24 or so.
800 msp DLC is generally considered $10 DLC.

I thought what he meant by attachment rate was 40% of the people who bought the game bought the DLC.  That's what I got from it.

 we saw a 40 percent attach rate that first week to DLC at GameStop in the United States. Not only are you selling a $60 game...you're selling $20 DLC, so the sale becomes $80,"

Actually maybe it has something to do with Gamestop.

I'm positive he means 40% of people who bought the game bought the DLC.  Attachment rate pretty much means the rate of sales for secondary products that can be used with the main product.

I'm actually shocked that only 40% of people bought it, I thought I would be in the 50-60% range.  I thought half at the least.

Yeah, but I think the "attachment" is specific to something Gamestop did /done with Mass effect 3.

The US is the biggest market for the game and Gamestop is the biggest chain for the game.
So makes sense, kinda.

[CavScout]

ThatGuy39 wrote...

There's a difference between having day 1 DLC, and having content THAT WAS ALREADY IN THE GAME being taken out and then sold as day 1 DLC. It would be like buying a car and then being told "Oh, the side mirrors? Yeah, they were on the car, but we took them off. But you can pay $500 to have them put back on"

My car came with satellite radio... I had to pay extra to have it activated. I didn't cry on their forums about it, would you?

[Dendio1]

This hurts me

http://www.escapistm...-DLC-is-Awesome

Sigh, I was gonna buy the dlc no matter what. I wanted a complete game.

Modifié par Dendio1, 11 mai 2012 - 12:29 .

[rymajn3]

CavScout wrote...

ThatGuy39 wrote...

There's a difference between having day 1 DLC, and having content THAT WAS ALREADY IN THE GAME being taken out and then sold as day 1 DLC. It would be like buying a car and then being told "Oh, the side mirrors? Yeah, they were on the car, but we took them off. But you can pay $500 to have them put back on"

My car came with satellite radio... I had to pay extra to have it activated. I didn't cry on their forums about it, would you?

I'd argue that Javik is much more important to Mass Effect 3, than silly satellite radio is to a car.

Isn't satellite radio pointless nowadays, with everyone and their grandmother having an mp3 player?

[Eterna]

wrraaagh ea id bad raaah

This article validates my hatred towards them raaagh

[Blc949]

CavScout wrote...

ThatGuy39 wrote...

There's a difference between having day 1 DLC, and having content THAT WAS ALREADY IN THE GAME being taken out and then sold as day 1 DLC. It would be like buying a car and then being told "Oh, the side mirrors? Yeah, they were on the car, but we took them off. But you can pay $500 to have them put back on"

My car came with satellite radio... I had to pay extra to have it activated. I didn't cry on their forums about it, would you?

I think a car analogy would be closer to the car you bought is detuned compared to last years model for the same price, but for an extra 2 grand you can have your 50hp and extra 5mpg that should have been included in the core price.

Modifié par Blc949, 11 mai 2012 - 12:34 .

[Uber Rod]

Cut from the game to be resold as DLC? That's just evil. I will never buy another EA game again. And probably won't buy BIoware anymore either.

[CavScout]

Blc949 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

ThatGuy39 wrote...

There's a difference between having day 1 DLC, and having content THAT WAS ALREADY IN THE GAME being taken out and then sold as day 1 DLC. It would be like buying a car and then being told "Oh, the side mirrors? Yeah, they were on the car, but we took them off. But you can pay $500 to have them put back on"

My car came with satellite radio... I had to pay extra to have it activated. I didn't cry on their forums about it, would you?

I think a car analogy would be closer to the car you bought is detuned compared to last years model for the same price, but for an extra 2 grand you can have your 50hp and extra 5mpg that should have been included in the core price.

I guess you don't know about econ packages you have to buy to get the top MPG for your car...

[Blc949]

CavScout wrote...

Blc949 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

ThatGuy39 wrote...

There's a difference between having day 1 DLC, and having content THAT WAS ALREADY IN THE GAME being taken out and then sold as day 1 DLC. It would be like buying a car and then being told "Oh, the side mirrors? Yeah, they were on the car, but we took them off. But you can pay $500 to have them put back on"

My car came with satellite radio... I had to pay extra to have it activated. I didn't cry on their forums about it, would you?

I think a car analogy would be closer to the car you bought is detuned compared to last years model for the same price, but for an extra 2 grand you can have your 50hp and extra 5mpg that should have been included in the core price.

I guess you don't know about econ packages you have to buy to get the top MPG for your car...

Nope, the car manufacturers can kiss my ass because they do in fact pull bull**** like this.  Rocking a 95 tacoma, and it's not because I can't afford anything else.

[AlexMBrennan]

The common argument has been "Don't like it, don't buy it." However that's far from the truth. A lot of gamers love Mass Effect, Street Fighter etc,. etc,. so when you find out some vital component for expanding the lore or enabling you to play as your favorite fighter is not part of the main game but instead bundled into a $10 or $20 DLC package it essentially means you're at a crossroad to either fork over extra cash for something you do like or simply not experience it at all.

Yeah, a sunken cost fallacy is not fallacious at all when it comes to games...

[NubXL]

I shouldn't be made to feel like an idiot for buying a game. EA unintentionally makes a great case for pirating their games.

[chemiclord]

Pretty simple.

If you don't like it; don't buy it. If you DO buy it, you have no one to blame but yourself when companies do it more often.

[robertm2]

i have never and will never buy day 1 dlc. i dont care if i win the lottery nobody with a soul can give money to companies that actively practice ripping people off.

[Krunjar]

As soon as games became popular and high budgeot this was bound to happen. A game can have 2d graphics and still be epic but not alot of people realise that and therefore games are increasingly being marketed like recent movies on how much they can "wow" their audiences. Gameplay and storytelling are irrelevent. If you want things to change very simple stop buying the games. Thing is i still enjoyed me3 but after all this fiasco I doubt I would respond well to any new mass effect universe content. And you know that anything totally new now from bioware is just going to be terrible. So yeah this is probably my last bioware game. They have fallen a long long way since Planescape: Torment.

[Rip504]

chemiclord wrote...

Pretty simple.

If you don't like it; don't buy it. If you DO buy it, you have no one to blame but yourself when companies do it more often.

How about the company for inticing players to buy it?
I do not think anyone is asking for self-pity. They seem to be asking gamers to stand up and do something about it.
But why do something about it when you can try to attack another and play at being cool...

[Rip504]

Krunjar wrote...

As soon as games became popular and high budgeot this was bound to happen. A game can have 2d graphics and still be epic but not alot of people realise that and therefore games are increasingly being marketed like recent movies on how much they can "wow" their audiences. Gameplay and storytelling are irrelevent. If you want things to change very simple stop buying the games. Thing is i still enjoyed me3 but after all this fiasco I doubt I would respond well to any new mass effect universe content. And you know that anything totally new now from bioware is just going to be terrible. So yeah this is probably my last bioware game. They have fallen a long long way since Planescape: Torment.

Self-punishment for the company being an a**???