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[OH-UP-THIS!]

shurikenmanta wrote...

legion999 wrote...

Is it really suprising they were voted worst company in America?

Nope. It's fairly typical Americanism that Day 1 DLC and 'DEY RUIND MAH GHEYM' is seen as worse than poisoning people, torturing animals and profiting off African deaths.

You actually see a problem with this?

Day 1 DLC is a plain and simple rip-off.

I never bought that fugly prothean character, and whenever I see it, I go ack, shoot it quick he's a collector!!!!

[RocketManSR2]

As long as there are those who would still defend EA and it's disgusting business practices, there is no hope for the gaming industry.

[Candoo]

ohupthis wrote...


E/A can shove their collective bankbooks up their collective a..es, as for starving to death, Bioware had better stop fragging up their games then, otherwise it's "punted-to-the-curb" for them.

So, after the crap with DA2 and ME3, you're still willing to take a gamble on another BW game? The pattern is hard to miss here, and it isn't going to get better.

[sky99cap]

The ultimate sucker punch.

Day one DLC plus a crappy ending.

[soulprovider]

There is a reason the meme "Dollar for ammo" exists

 

Here to you EA...Cheers on losing 400k customers from KOTOR

Modifié par soulprovider, 11 mai 2012 - 03:47 .

[CavScout]

ohupthis wrote...

shurikenmanta wrote...

legion999 wrote...

Is it really suprising they were voted worst company in America?

Nope. It's fairly typical Americanism that Day 1 DLC and 'DEY RUIND MAH GHEYM' is seen as worse than poisoning people, torturing animals and profiting off African deaths.

You actually see a problem with this?

Day 1 DLC is a plain and simple rip-off.

I never bought that fugly prothean character, and whenever I see it, I go ack, shoot it quick he's a collector!!!!

How can something optional be a rip-off?

[kakomu]

CavScout wrote...
How can something optional be a rip-off?

Swamp land in Florida is an optional purchase. Doesn't make it any less of a rip off.

Modifié par kakomu, 11 mai 2012 - 03:55 .

[CavScout]

kakomu wrote...

CavScout wrote...
How can something optional be a rip-off?

Swamp land in Florida is an option purchase. Doesn't make it any less of a rip off.

You don't understand the term rip-off then.....

[kakomu]

CavScout wrote...

kakomu wrote...

CavScout wrote...
How can something optional be a rip-off?

Swamp land in Florida is an option purchase. Doesn't make it any less of a rip off.

You don't understand the term rip-off then.....

From Wikipedia: Ripoff
A ripoff (or rip-off) is a bad financial transaction. Usually it refers to an incident in which a person overpays for something.

I'm fairly certain that I understand the term rip-off.

[Candoo]

CavScout wrote...


How can something optional be a rip-off?

Hmm .... when the optional item was originally supposed to be included. 

[CavScout]

Candoo wrote...

CavScout wrote...


How can something optional be a rip-off?

Hmm .... when the optional item was originally supposed to be included. 

You act as if you have some right to the work of others, why?

You buy a car you don't have the right to an A/C or automatic transmission, you pay for it.

[sky99cap]

EA had to get all the money they could up front ...

- because once the fans saw the ending ...

- no more money would be coming in.

[soulprovider]

Valentia X wrote...

I don't have an ethical issue with day-1 DLC; games are becoming expensive to create, fans expect more,  and with the large second-hand game market, DLC is a good way to keep at least a minute bit of money coming in for all their hard work. It's not a problem for me.

I do take issue with corporate giants coming and and crushing smaller developers in their fists. I have no innate bias to large companies by and large, but this wholesale 'squeeze to the last copper' attitude is starting to grate on my nerves, and the EA execs always struck me as people who were so far removed for their consumer based that they couldn't tell the difference between Mario and Minecraft.

That excuse is the single reason the industry is dying
First off - yes games are expensive if you license engines from cheap scates but companies like CDproject red and croteam, and remedy seem to be doing well for themselves without resorting to increasing the price of games through DLC, makes you wonder where the money is actually going, PR, Marketing, CEO and board member salaries to name a few.

Second - the used game market is not killing the industry plain and simple, in order for something to have been used it had to have been bought as new plain and simple, meaning that someone paid the publisher the money they asked for the game initially, and now the publisher feels that they are entitled ito the the second hand buyers pocket, Its like if you bought a car used and the manufacturer decided to charge you a fee to use all of the features of the car or they were going to lock out these features using the cars onboard computer, or another example is the stock market, would the stock issuer be entitled to a percentage of every second hand stock sale on the market, don't mix issuer up with stock brokers they are two seperate entities, EA releases public stock for the first time to a broker who pays EA money for that stock(except for premium stock but thats a whole different can of worms) and then sells the stock at an initial value which then increases the more people buy EA's stock, this amount of money has fees attached but only to that broker, EA doesn't see an additional dime from that stock, Now theres more to how the stock market works but for the sake of the example i'll cut it off here.

to continue my point used games are not destroyng the industry, publisher customer raping tactics are. When the CEO of Capcom sees no distinction between downloaded and disklocked content, The CEO of activision finds it perfectly acceptable to charge 15 dollars for 3 maps and people buy it, and The CEO of EA considers charging a dollar to reload your in game weapon to be the new wave of the future and they call it charging instead of gouging while the market has been price fixed to 60 dollars per game release, it shows that the focus of the industry is purely for greed. that is the problem with industry.

The reason the industry is failing is because we as consumers are slowly beginning to realize due to the recession that we have priorities other than gaming and that we can support our entertainment but at lot less than we used to and instead of industries adapting to this they are trying their hardest to milk us for all we're able to shell out, hope that we'll pay them money and neglect to feed ourselves healthily.

Modifié par soulprovider, 11 mai 2012 - 04:19 .

[Icinix]

!!ARTISTIC FINANCIAL INTEGRITY!!

Modifié par Icinix, 11 mai 2012 - 04:20 .

[gearseffect]

I don't hold anything back when I say stuff, and I find it p!sses people off no matter how much you try and be nice and sugar coat things. I just P!SS EVERYONE OFF!!!!

[xxskyshadowxx]

I am not a fan of EA, but honestly...they wouldn't be pulling this crap and then bragging about it if the dang consumers didn't buy the stuff, despite crabbing about it. Consumers are voting with their wallets...and despite a lot of vitriol over it, many wallets (nearly half of hte ME3 consumers if that article is to be believed) are saying that they are perfectly fine with it. EA isn't harming the consumer base. The consumers are harming themselves.

[mnomaha]

gearseffect wrote...

I don't hold anything back when I say stuff, and I find it p!sses people off no matter how much you try and be nice and sugar coat things. I just P!SS EVERYONE OFF!!!!

You haven't pissed me off yet...

EA needs to stick to their stupid sports games and leave the real stuff to the pros.

As for the DLC...I'm an idiot and pre-ordered the N7 edition. Live and learn..

[Wabajakka]

I guess you've never heard EA's CEO talk about paying for reloading in a shooter then, have you?

Pure evil.

Modifié par Orange Tee, 11 mai 2012 - 04:58 .

[Necrotron]

*shrug* I have no problem with day one DLC, myself. The budgets for games are increasing, and simply, I'd willingly pay $70 for a quality game, but pricing precedents won't allow someone to say "hey, our game is $70, not $60, but it's well worth it!' because gamers would freak out that someone was charging $70 for a game.

DLC allows the publisher to sell it mostly for $70 to people where those who are struggling to afford the $70 price tag can just pay $60 for a game with a few less bells and whistles.

I know many feel otherwise, and I can't say I didn't at one point. Yes, some CEO is making bank off of working at the company, but simply, making games costs money. After years of being part of the community of a smaller MMOG, I can appreciate the issues developers face when it comes to pricing.

It would have been much better if they released the DLC content post launch day, and better PR if they didn't have it 'on disc', but games are costing more to make these days, and thus publishers are struggling with creative ways to make up that difference within the confines of paradigms and precedents of the gaming industry.

I can appreciate people arguing for both sides, but I'm not a day one DLC hater myself.

Modifié par Bathaius, 11 mai 2012 - 05:04 .

[Dendio1]

We feed the beast folks. They talk so brazenly about ripping us off because we allow it.

[Firesaber82]

it goes hand in hand with intrusive DRM. Both are going to finally hit a limit and the industry is going to implode. Like how ME3 checks for DLC every single time you come to the main menu... you feel like you're being trreated like a theif all while paying for it....

[shurikenmanta]

ohupthis wrote...

shurikenmanta wrote...

legion999 wrote...

Is it really suprising they were voted worst company in America?

Nope. It's fairly typical Americanism that Day 1 DLC and 'DEY RUIND MAH GHEYM' is seen as worse than poisoning people, torturing animals and profiting off African deaths.

You actually see a problem with this?

Day 1 DLC is a plain and simple rip-off.

I never bought that fugly prothean character, and whenever I see it, I go ack, shoot it quick he's a collector!!!!

...yes, I see a horrific problem with this.

If anyone actually believes this, we deserve extinction.

[Xx_Belzak_xX]

 Oh yes, they very much love money. They're willing to nickel and dime people anyway they can:

www.youtube.com/watch

[Candidate 88766]

On the one hand, taking content out of the game and then charging extra for it is... sneaky. But on the other hand, Bioware made the content, so its up to them how much of it we get for our £50 (games never actually cost their RRP when they're new anyway, so its more like £40) and compared to a lot of games ME3 has an awful lot of content. I still think its wrong, but Bioware made the content so they should be within their rights to sell it in whichever manner we want. And seeing as 40% of people bought From Ashes, a lot of people don't seem to mind that much about an extra £5-£6. Even with that extra cost, the game is still cheaper than its RRP. I don't know where the article plucked $20 from.

When you buy a car, there are all sorts of optional extras. The same goes for buying a computer. Javik was not essential to the game, and is therefore by definition optional. I personally feel he added a lot to the game, but not having him doesn't actually change the story to any meaningful degree - you just miss out on interesting conversations.

And with demand for games going up, and obviously inflation as well, videogame prices are going to have to go up sooner or later anyway. Raising the prices through day-1 DLC or content cut from the main game isn't the right way to do it imo, but it is Bioware's right to sell their content in the manner they choose.


And I will never understand why people think EA is 'evil' simply because they want your money. Every company wants your money. Its the sole reason most companies exist. You get the odd one here and there that has genuine passion in what they do, but even so they do what they love to make money from it. Its nothing new, and yet people act as though EA is the devil because they charge you a few pounds extra for a luxury good. If thats your definition of evil your priorities are rather messed up. None of us like to be ripped-off, but if you feel that a game is a rip-off then don't buy it. Thats the joy of luxury goods - you don't need them. A rip-off is much worse if its for something you have to have, like water or electricity (I should know - our electricity bill has gone up £200 simply because they installed a meter). A company that publishes luxury items trying to make money off of you is not evil. Its business.

Modifié par Candidate 88766, 11 mai 2012 - 08:41 .

[legion999]

shurikenmanta wrote...

ohupthis wrote...

shurikenmanta wrote...

legion999 wrote...

Is it really suprising they were voted worst company in America?

Nope. It's fairly typical Americanism that Day 1 DLC and 'DEY RUIND MAH GHEYM' is seen as worse than poisoning people, torturing animals and profiting off African deaths.

You actually see a problem with this?

Day 1 DLC is a plain and simple rip-off.

I never bought that fugly prothean character, and whenever I see it, I go ack, shoot it quick he's a collector!!!!

...yes, I see a horrific problem with this.

If anyone actually believes this, we deserve extinction.

If there's people who believe we all deserve to die because they have a different opinion then there are no words to describe how pathetic that is.