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[Xx_Belzak_xX]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

On the one hand, taking content out of the game and then charging extra for it is... sneaky. But on the other hand, Bioware made the content, so its up to them how much of it we get for our £50 (games never actually cost their RRP when they're new anyway, so its more like £40) and compared to a lot of games ME3 has an awful lot of content. I still think its wrong, but Bioware made the content so they should be within their rights to sell it in whichever manner we want. And seeing as 40% of people bought From Ashes, a lot of people don't seem to mind that much about an extra £5-£6. Even with that extra cost, the game is still cheaper than its RRP. I don't know where the article plucked $20 from.

When you buy a car, there are all sorts of optional extras. The same goes for buying a computer. Javik was not essential to the game, and is therefore by definition optional. I personally feel he added a lot to the game, but not having him doesn't actually change the story to any meaningful degree - you just miss out on interesting conversations.

And with demand for games going up, and obviously inflation as well, videogame prices are going to have to go up sooner or later anyway. Raising the prices through day-1 DLC or content cut from the main game isn't the right way to do it imo, but it is Bioware's right to sell their content in the manner they choose.


And I will never understand why people think EA is 'evil' simply because they want your money. Every company wants your money. Its the sole reason most companies exist. You get the odd one here and there that has genuine passion in what they do, but even so they do what they love to make money from it. Its nothing new, and yet people act as though EA is the devil because they charge you a few pounds extra for a luxury good. If thats your definition of evil your priorities are rather messed up. None of us like to be ripped-off, but if you feel that a game is a rip-off then don't buy it. Thats the joy of luxury goods - you don't need them. A rip-off is much worse if its for something you have to have, like water or electricity (I should know - our electricity bill has gone up £200 simply because they installed a meter). A company that publishes luxury items trying to make money off of you is not evil. Its business.

So you think its perfectly acceptable to charge $100 for a digital car? And perhaps you would LIKE to see EA start charge $1 every time you want to reload your gun, or recharge your shields, etc? Yeah, there's a difference between business and outright greed.

[CroGamer002]

20$ DLC?
Did I missed some piece of day 1 DLC, cause From Ashes DLC is 10$.


As for rising price of the game with day 1 DLC?
Who was denying that?

Did people against this just ignored arguments of those who say day 1 DLC aren't bad?

[Candidate 88766]

Xx_Belzak_xX wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

On the one hand, taking content out of the game and then charging extra for it is... sneaky. But on the other hand, Bioware made the content, so its up to them how much of it we get for our £50 (games never actually cost their RRP when they're new anyway, so its more like £40) and compared to a lot of games ME3 has an awful lot of content. I still think its wrong, but Bioware made the content so they should be within their rights to sell it in whichever manner we want. And seeing as 40% of people bought From Ashes, a lot of people don't seem to mind that much about an extra £5-£6. Even with that extra cost, the game is still cheaper than its RRP. I don't know where the article plucked $20 from.

When you buy a car, there are all sorts of optional extras. The same goes for buying a computer. Javik was not essential to the game, and is therefore by definition optional. I personally feel he added a lot to the game, but not having him doesn't actually change the story to any meaningful degree - you just miss out on interesting conversations.

And with demand for games going up, and obviously inflation as well, videogame prices are going to have to go up sooner or later anyway. Raising the prices through day-1 DLC or content cut from the main game isn't the right way to do it imo, but it is Bioware's right to sell their content in the manner they choose.


And I will never understand why people think EA is 'evil' simply because they want your money. Every company wants your money. Its the sole reason most companies exist. You get the odd one here and there that has genuine passion in what they do, but even so they do what they love to make money from it. Its nothing new, and yet people act as though EA is the devil because they charge you a few pounds extra for a luxury good. If thats your definition of evil your priorities are rather messed up. None of us like to be ripped-off, but if you feel that a game is a rip-off then don't buy it. Thats the joy of luxury goods - you don't need them. A rip-off is much worse if its for something you have to have, like water or electricity (I should know - our electricity bill has gone up £200 simply because they installed a meter). A company that publishes luxury items trying to make money off of you is not evil. Its business.

So you think its perfectly acceptable to charge $100 for a digital car? And perhaps you would LIKE to see EA start charge $1 every time you want to reload your gun, or recharge your shields, etc? Yeah, there's a difference between business and outright greed.

I never said I liked what they're doing.

I just don't feel paying £46 for a game and a DLC when the game alone is meant to be priced at £50 is a rip-off.

Charging $100 for a car in a game would be a rip-off, and no-one would buy it. Likewise, no-one ould buy a game where you have to pay to reload. If you're going to come up with extreme examples, at least make them vaguely plausible. The chap from EA was jesting when he mentioned charging for reloading - a game with that would never sell, and he knows it.

Modifié par Candidate 88766, 11 mai 2012 - 08:52 .

[Lyrebon]

Lulz! Didn't buy Javik DLC and I don't plan on doing so. Didn't even pay full price for the base game because the store I bought it from had a 25% discount (I wouldn't be surprised if that 25% was the devaluement over quality), so I only paid £30 for it.

The last DLC I ever bought was Shadow Broker because I want to see Liara's booty in action again

It kinda sucks that I'm not buying gams from EA anymore because I want Crysis 3. Though knowing how EA fiddles around with trilogies I'll hold my reservations.

Modifié par Lyrebon, 11 mai 2012 - 08:53 .

[Candidate 88766]

Lyrebon wrote...

Lulz! Didn't buy Javik DLC. Didn't even pay full price for the base game because the store I bought it from had a 25% discount (I wouldn't be surprised if that 25% was the devaluement over quality), so I only paid £30 for it.

if you got the game so cheap, why not buy Javik? Its like £5-£6 more and so you're still getting the game very cheaply and you get Javik, who is awesome.

[dbt-kenny]

Proves a lot about EA and the 1%er live on a differing planet. What the little rats do not get they are killing off the whole game industry by doing this.
I had worked it out that the day one DLC was just a way of getting more profit of the game. Well MR EA I did not get nor will i.
WE not dumb you know.

[Lyrebon]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Lyrebon wrote...

Lulz! Didn't buy Javik DLC. Didn't even pay full price for the base game because the store I bought it from had a 25% discount (I wouldn't be surprised if that 25% was the devaluement over quality), so I only paid £30 for it.

if you got the game so cheap, why not buy Javik? Its like £5-£6 more and so you're still getting the game very cheaply and you get Javik, who is awesome.

Money better spent elsewhere (pancakes) than on EA's whims. I don't like paying for something I shouldn't have to, especially when the source code is on the friggin' disc and I have to pay to unlock what I already bought.

[Lyrebon]

dbt-kenny wrote...

Proves a lot about EA and the 1%er live on a differing planet. What the little rats do not get they are killing off the whole game industry by doing this.
I had worked it out that the day one DLC was just a way of getting more profit of the game. Well MR EA I did not get nor will i.
WE not dumb you know.

EA is a corporate business, not an artistic studio. They do not understand what companies like Valve do about passion for the story.

[Krunjar]

The trouble with EA is that they are a company that should have failed a long time ago. But when they have all but exhausted their options they just buy a new company with a few good releases that got a little over their heads and tell them to stop using their imagination and sequal spam.

Everyone can say dlc was supposed to be extra etc but when you play me1 to me3 you can see just how many more man hours went into me1 than all the other games there is an ocean of stuff to find and explore and about 6x more side quests. I am also all but convinced that Me2 was almost finished when Bioware was baught by EA. All the bioware games developed entireley under EA's oversight have been riddled with flaws and though i do like it Me3 is no exception. Fair trade laws exist for a reason and that these practices are not included is an oversight. Anyone who thinks that this is somehow fair and equitable really needs to just face reality.

In the past I have been fooled .. I thaught oh it's command and conquer I know it's EA now but I will buy it. Result , C&C4. Now they have done almost the same thing to the mass effect series. As they did to dragon age before. My seething dislike of EA is now violent prejudice not one more dollar EA not one more.

[Candidate 88766]

Lyrebon wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Lyrebon wrote...

Lulz! Didn't buy Javik DLC. Didn't even pay full price for the base game because the store I bought it from had a 25% discount (I wouldn't be surprised if that 25% was the devaluement over quality), so I only paid £30 for it.

if you got the game so cheap, why not buy Javik? Its like £5-£6 more and so you're still getting the game very cheaply and you get Javik, who is awesome.

Money better spent elsewhere (pancakes) than on EA's whims. I don't like paying for something I shouldn't have to, especially when the source code is on the friggin' disc and I have to pay to unlock what I already bought.

Thats fair enough: pancakes are better than most other things.

[Candidate 88766]

Lyrebon wrote...

dbt-kenny wrote...

Proves a lot about EA and the 1%er live on a differing planet. What the little rats do not get they are killing off the whole game industry by doing this.
I had worked it out that the day one DLC was just a way of getting more profit of the game. Well MR EA I did not get nor will i.
WE not dumb you know.

EA is a corporate business, not an artistic studio. They do not understand what companies like Valve do about passion for the story.

Portal 2 had day-1 DLC.

Valve may have more passion that most publishers (EA, Activision, Ubisoft, etc) but they're still out to make a profit.

[Titus Thongger]

I must get up, I must stop the rEApers...

no Shepard, you are the rEAper...

D:

[Krunjar]

Day 1 DLC would have been forgiven if the game hadn't been full of problems. Thing is if the game had been totally terrible no one would care. But you can still feel the soul of Bioware beating under all that filth. All i can say is this .. GET AWAY FROM EA!!

I honestly don't care if the games are 2d again. I would far rather have a new Baldur's gate style release than another round of this.

Modifié par Krunjar, 11 mai 2012 - 09:10 .

[GiarcYekrub]

Day 1 DLC is a good thing, it's development has probally overlapped the main game such that it can designed in parallel, making it a much more integrated experience, otherwise you get strange ommisions like in overlord in ME2 where your companions become uncharacteristically mute. Lets face it EA need to make money or else they can't make games, last year they made a net loss of $276million

[LuckySe7enty]

i don't mind day 1 dlc, weapons, skins are alright. dlc like javik which are important to the story is what alienates gamers

[GiarcYekrub]

LuckySe7enty wrote...
i don't mind day 1 dlc, weapons, skins are alright. dlc like javik which are important to the story is what alienates gamers

I disagree DLC that is superfluous, unrelated to the main plot are redundant, shows lack of investment, I'd take Javik over Bring Down the Sky/Pinicle Station any day

[Apathy1989]

I can understand that the price point for games is imbalanced - after all it takes more effort to produce Mass Effect than Fifa. Day 1 DLC allows them to artificially boost the price while still maintaining identical price points on store shelves.


However if games like Mass Effect are gems, they pay for themselves so many times over. Just look at Skyrim.

[Reign Tsumiraki]

For Mass Effect 2, they gave the day 1 DLC out for free, to encourage people to buy new.

It's understandable, and it rewards us for buying new. I payed 60 bucks, and got 60 bucks worth of game.

What they've done with ME3 is intolerable.

[Bounercz]

There will be so many DLCs that to got complete game you will pay about 150$ instead of 70$ ....how they said at 2011 ,ending will be in DLC ,now weve cutted Omega so we can sell it as DLC , next time we will get empty box with 1 letter = buy DLC to can complete game,its like puzzle .

[ArthurVon]

Trolls always take pleasure in successfull trolling.

[ArthurVon]

FROST4584 wrote...

I am happy to be  part of the 60% of people, who did not purchase ME3's DLC.I won't till it is on sale.

Right behind ya.

[BobbyDylan]

Lol, I'll be avoiding EA as muchs as I can from now on. That game, secret world, looks interesting. Unforutnatley, it's EA, so I wont be buying it on a whim. I'll ignore it.

EA, well done on alienating your userbase (notice I did not say fans).

[azerSheppard]

I'm not buying anything from EA anymore, simple as that.

[Robhuzz]

eveynameiwantisfekintaken wrote...

noorm wrote...

I am very proud to announce that I didn't buy the DLC. I went on youtube and watch a gameplay video of the mission were you get Javik.

To be fair theres more to Javik than just the "find him" mission.

Theres a lot of extra dialogue and interactions with shepard and the team. In fact i think the character is more rounded than Liara/Kaiden/Ashley in terms of his interactions with Shepard.

Thessia is also a mission worth taking him on.

That said, its blatant from the level of interaction he did have that the content WAS cut pre release and not worked on at a later stage. It integrates far too well with the rest of the game to have been developed seperatley IMO.

Personaly i think they will see a big dip in day one DLC for the next big Bioware title. I am not pre ordering or buying a collectors edition up front for extra content.

As noorm did it will be You Tube reviews first before i buy in future. Need to ensure what im buying matches what i was told it would be. Lying may fool me once but it wont again

As sad as it is, EA will probably compensate by removing content that really adds to and completes the experience then sell that as day one dlc so you're actually missing out on good content if you don't buy the DLC. Making it not a matter of 'I'm missing a single character' but 'I'm missing a whole portion of the game' if you don't get the DLC.

EA is capable of things like these surely.