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[Emzamination]

 Does she break up with the warden in Da2 if she was made a royal consort in origins?

[Face of Evil]

From what I can tell, she's separated from the Warden in all possible scenarios.

[sylvanaerie]

Originally, she would break up with the Warden if he became a king, but I am using a mod that fixes that broken flag (it is working well up to the middle of Awakenings--her lines in the coronation chamber were different and implied she would stay with him, and I got the note from her in Awakenings). I am using that King Cousland import for my current DA2 playthrough.

I think regardless of DAO's ending, she is with the Chantry in her scene at the end (she was in my non-king playthrough), though she said "he is very dear to my heart" when referring to the Warden in Sebastian's act 3 quest. Perhaps implying he (at least at that time) was still a part of her life.  Remember, "Faith" and the end scene are approximately 3 years apart, so a lot could have still happened. If Alistair is made king, and appears with Teagan in the King cameo, the Warden is also referenced by Teagan saying "you know who should be back from her mission" (if a mistress), Alistair commenting, "The old ball and chain (affectionately)" if Queen, or "he/she should be back in Denerim now" if not in a romance with Alistair.  So the Warden is still around, at least up to that point in the game.

Although this may be a reference to Witch Hunt?  I am unsure of that quest's timeline.

Modifié par sylvanaerie, 11 mai 2012 - 10:01 .

[Sabariel]

No matter what path you choose for Leliana (alive, dead, hardened, non-hardened, consort, unofficial Warden mascot, pastry chef) she always ends up as a Seeker (or a spy for the Divine or whatever her role in DA2 was).

Modifié par Sabariel, 11 mai 2012 - 10:02 .

[whykikyouwhy]

Sabariel wrote...

No matter what path you choose for Leliana (alive, dead, hardened, non-hardened, consort, unofficial Warden mascot, pastry chef) she always ends up as a Seeker (or a spy for the Divine or whatever her role in DA2 was).

I think it would be safe to state she is "working for the Divine." But it has been said that she is actually not a Seeker:

Reference link #1

Reference link #2

[Wulfram]

Warden is dear to her heart even if they're dead. So it doesn't really imply much.

[thats1evildude]

whykikyouwhy wrote...

I think it would be safe to state she is "working for the Divine." But it has been said that she is actually not a Seeker:

Given that the Seekers have technically separated from the Chantry along with the templars at the end of Asunder, that makes sense.

[Emzamination]

sylvanaerie wrote...

Originally, she would break up with the Warden if he became a king, but I am using a mod that fixes that broken flag (it is working well up to the middle of Awakenings--her lines in the coronation chamber were different and implied she would stay with him, and I got the note from her in Awakenings). I am using that King Cousland import for my current DA2 playthrough.

I think regardless of DAO's ending, she is with the Chantry in her scene at the end (she was in my non-king playthrough), though she said "he is very dear to my heart" when referring to the Warden in Sebastian's act 3 quest. Perhaps implying he (at least at that time) was still a part of her life.  Remember, "Faith" and the end scene are approximately 3 years apart, so a lot could have still happened. If Alistair is made king, and appears with Teagan in the King cameo, the Warden is also referenced by Teagan saying "you know who should be back from her mission" (if a mistress), Alistair commenting, "The old ball and chain (affectionately)" if Queen, or "he/she should be back in Denerim now" if not in a romance with Alistair.  So the Warden is still around, at least up to that point in the game.

Although this may be a reference to Witch Hunt?  I am unsure of that quest's timeline.

Exactly, "He/she is very dear to my heart" implys that she loves or will always love the warden,every romance has a dead warden line Ie: Alistair - "This belonged to the love of my life, take it she won't be needing it any longer"

If she says "He/she makes a great king/queen for Alistair/Anora", that pretty much implys the romance is gone.I need to know which line she uses with the Queen/King consort path.

Guys, just because she is working far away from the warden for the divine doesn't mean her and the warden have called it quits <_< 

Jaheira (a harper) and the protagonist in the Bg series worked great distances away from each other but their relationship was still strong.

[sylvanaerie]

Emzamination wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

Originally, she would break up with the Warden if he became a king, but I am using a mod that fixes that broken flag (it is working well up to the middle of Awakenings--her lines in the coronation chamber were different and implied she would stay with him, and I got the note from her in Awakenings). I am using that King Cousland import for my current DA2 playthrough.

I think regardless of DAO's ending, she is with the Chantry in her scene at the end (she was in my non-king playthrough), though she said "he is very dear to my heart" when referring to the Warden in Sebastian's act 3 quest. Perhaps implying he (at least at that time) was still a part of her life.  Remember, "Faith" and the end scene are approximately 3 years apart, so a lot could have still happened. If Alistair is made king, and appears with Teagan in the King cameo, the Warden is also referenced by Teagan saying "you know who should be back from her mission" (if a mistress), Alistair commenting, "The old ball and chain (affectionately)" if Queen, or "he/she should be back in Denerim now" if not in a romance with Alistair.  So the Warden is still around, at least up to that point in the game.

Although this may be a reference to Witch Hunt?  I am unsure of that quest's timeline.

Exactly, "He/she is very dear to my heart" implys that she loves or will always love the warden,every romance has a dead warden line Ie: Alistair - "This belonged to the love of my life, take it she won't be needing it any longer"

If she says "He/she makes a great king/queen for Alistair/Anora", that pretty much implys the romance is gone.I need to know which line she uses with the Queen/King consort path.

Guys, just because she is working far away from the warden for the divine doesn't mean her and the warden have called it quits <_< 

Jaheira (a harper) and the protagonist in the Bg series worked great distances away from each other but their relationship was still strong.

I'll find out soon enough since that's the current import I am working in DA2 with but I am only in the first act and haven't even picked up all my companions yet.  As the romance is broken in DAO, unless you have a mod to fix it, no matter what you do, Leliana will break it off with a King Cousland/Queen Cousland.  I have a mod that fixes it, so I have gotten the "mistress of the Consort" lines from her after the engagement, and in Post Coronation, and have received the letter in Awakenings that means the flag is still active.

If she says that line in DA2 regardless of whether she is his lover, was his lover or if he's dead, I'm unsure what would provide ample proof (that at that moment) they are still together.  Her ending lines to Cassandra aren't romance-specific since it's the same for romance, a friend (or even a warden she wasn't too friendly with).

I'll keep you posted for when i reach that point to see if she still uses that line in DA2, but since it's broken in DAO (without mods), am unsure what that does to the romance flags for the sequel.

It may also be she has the same line "He/She makes a good King/Queen for ..." regardless of if they are still together or not since publically they are no longer lovers and have to 'hide' the whole Mistress thing in the first place.  It may be she is still with the warden and deflecting questions about the relationship with this sentence, or it could be simply she supports the warden's decision to be king/queen with the monarch, whether Leliana is his/her mistress or just an old flame no longer in the picture.

Modifié par sylvanaerie, 11 mai 2012 - 04:04 .

[Emzamination]

sylvanaerie wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

Originally, she would break up with the Warden if he became a king, but I am using a mod that fixes that broken flag (it is working well up to the middle of Awakenings--her lines in the coronation chamber were different and implied she would stay with him, and I got the note from her in Awakenings). I am using that King Cousland import for my current DA2 playthrough.

I think regardless of DAO's ending, she is with the Chantry in her scene at the end (she was in my non-king playthrough), though she said "he is very dear to my heart" when referring to the Warden in Sebastian's act 3 quest. Perhaps implying he (at least at that time) was still a part of her life.  Remember, "Faith" and the end scene are approximately 3 years apart, so a lot could have still happened. If Alistair is made king, and appears with Teagan in the King cameo, the Warden is also referenced by Teagan saying "you know who should be back from her mission" (if a mistress), Alistair commenting, "The old ball and chain (affectionately)" if Queen, or "he/she should be back in Denerim now" if not in a romance with Alistair.  So the Warden is still around, at least up to that point in the game.

Although this may be a reference to Witch Hunt?  I am unsure of that quest's timeline.

Exactly, "He/she is very dear to my heart" implys that she loves or will always love the warden,every romance has a dead warden line Ie: Alistair - "This belonged to the love of my life, take it she won't be needing it any longer"

If she says "He/she makes a great king/queen for Alistair/Anora", that pretty much implys the romance is gone.I need to know which line she uses with the Queen/King consort path.

Guys, just because she is working far away from the warden for the divine doesn't mean her and the warden have called it quits <_< 

Jaheira (a harper) and the protagonist in the Bg series worked great distances away from each other but their relationship was still strong.

I'll find out soon enough since that's the current import I am working in DA2 with but I am only in the first act and haven't even picked up all my companions yet.  As the romance is broken in DAO, unless you have a mod to fix it, no matter what you do, Leliana will break it off with a King Cousland/Queen Cousland.  I have a mod that fixes it, so I have gotten the "mistress of the Consort" lines from her after the engagement, and in Post Coronation, and have received the letter in Awakenings that means the flag is still active.

If she says that line in DA2 regardless of whether she is his lover, was his lover or if he's dead, I'm unsure what would provide ample proof (that at that moment) they are still together.  Her ending lines to Cassandra aren't romance-specific since it's the same for romance, a friend (or even a warden she wasn't too friendly with).

I'll keep you posted for when i reach that point to see if she still uses that line in DA2, but since it's broken in DAO (without mods), am unsure what that does to the romance flags for the sequel.

It may also be she has the same line "He/She makes a good King/Queen for ..." regardless of if they are still together or not since publically they are no longer lovers and have to 'hide' the whole Mistress thing in the first place.  It may be she is still with the warden and deflecting questions about the relationship with this sentence, or it could be simply she supports the warden's decision to be king/queen with the monarch, whether Leliana is his/her mistress or just an old flame no longer in the picture.

Much obliged, Thank you 

The mistress relationship can be aquired (on the 360 as far as I know) unmodded by doing the following

1.Complete leliana's personal quest

2.Harden leliana

3.Persuade Alistair (while not in a romance) or Anora to accept an engagement.

4. Do not talk to her EVER again (goodbye in denerim excluded) until the post coronation and she will give the proper "once I would've felt differently" dialogue.


After researching the wiki there does seem to be talk of a split storywise but if it's before or after faith, dunno  Her codex entry if romanced however seems to point strongly to the possibility they are together during faith at least.

Leliana is a legendary adventuress in Thedas, a heroine of the Fifth Blight and reportedly the Hero of Ferelden's lover. Some stories say she yet remains at the Hero of Ferelden's side, but other tales from Val Royeaux say she'd been spotted in the company of Divine Justinia. Rumors within the Chantry claim the Divine has a plan of her own—one that involves Leliana as her personal agent—but few know what such a plan might entail. Given that Leliana is a master storyteller, it's not impossible that these rumors are of her own creation. The truth remains to be seen.

[LolaLei]

I know Alistair says something along the lines of: "This belongs to the love of my life, here take it, she has hundreds of them, she's always picking them up on her travels." - If your Warden romanced him, lived and kept Ali as a Warden.

Does anyone know what Zev is supposed to do/say if he was in a relationship with the Warden? I presume he isn't suppose to run off and shag Isabela/Hawke lol.

Modifié par LolaLei, 12 mai 2012 - 06:38 .

[thats1evildude]

I think Leliana and the Warden are separated because, in my head canon, the Warden went after Flemeth a second time and got eaten. "Til death do you part," you know.

[hussey 92]

Leliana's story has gotten sooooo screwed up. I try not to follow it to save myself the headache.

[sylvanaerie]

Emzamination wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

Originally, she would break up with the Warden if he became a king, but I am using a mod that fixes that broken flag (it is working well up to the middle of Awakenings--her lines in the coronation chamber were different and implied she would stay with him, and I got the note from her in Awakenings). I am using that King Cousland import for my current DA2 playthrough.

I think regardless of DAO's ending, she is with the Chantry in her scene at the end (she was in my non-king playthrough), though she said "he is very dear to my heart" when referring to the Warden in Sebastian's act 3 quest. Perhaps implying he (at least at that time) was still a part of her life.  Remember, "Faith" and the end scene are approximately 3 years apart, so a lot could have still happened. If Alistair is made king, and appears with Teagan in the King cameo, the Warden is also referenced by Teagan saying "you know who should be back from her mission" (if a mistress), Alistair commenting, "The old ball and chain (affectionately)" if Queen, or "he/she should be back in Denerim now" if not in a romance with Alistair.  So the Warden is still around, at least up to that point in the game.

Although this may be a reference to Witch Hunt?  I am unsure of that quest's timeline.

Exactly, "He/she is very dear to my heart" implys that she loves or will always love the warden,every romance has a dead warden line Ie: Alistair - "This belonged to the love of my life, take it she won't be needing it any longer"

If she says "He/she makes a great king/queen for Alistair/Anora", that pretty much implys the romance is gone.I need to know which line she uses with the Queen/King consort path.

Guys, just because she is working far away from the warden for the divine doesn't mean her and the warden have called it quits <_< 

Jaheira (a harper) and the protagonist in the Bg series worked great distances away from each other but their relationship was still strong.

I'll find out soon enough since that's the current import I am working in DA2 with but I am only in the first act and haven't even picked up all my companions yet.  As the romance is broken in DAO, unless you have a mod to fix it, no matter what you do, Leliana will break it off with a King Cousland/Queen Cousland.  I have a mod that fixes it, so I have gotten the "mistress of the Consort" lines from her after the engagement, and in Post Coronation, and have received the letter in Awakenings that means the flag is still active.

If she says that line in DA2 regardless of whether she is his lover, was his lover or if he's dead, I'm unsure what would provide ample proof (that at that moment) they are still together.  Her ending lines to Cassandra aren't romance-specific since it's the same for romance, a friend (or even a warden she wasn't too friendly with).

I'll keep you posted for when i reach that point to see if she still uses that line in DA2, but since it's broken in DAO (without mods), am unsure what that does to the romance flags for the sequel.

It may also be she has the same line "He/She makes a good King/Queen for ..." regardless of if they are still together or not since publically they are no longer lovers and have to 'hide' the whole Mistress thing in the first place.  It may be she is still with the warden and deflecting questions about the relationship with this sentence, or it could be simply she supports the warden's decision to be king/queen with the monarch, whether Leliana is his/her mistress or just an old flame no longer in the picture.

Much obliged, Thank you 

The mistress relationship can be aquired (on the 360 as far as I know) unmodded by doing the following

1.Complete leliana's personal quest

2.Harden leliana

3.Persuade Alistair (while not in a romance) or Anora to accept an engagement.

4. Do not talk to her EVER again (goodbye in denerim excluded) until the post coronation and she will give the proper "once I would've felt differently" dialogue.


After researching the wiki there does seem to be talk of a split storywise but if it's before or after faith, dunno  Her codex entry if romanced however seems to point strongly to the possibility they are together during faith at least.

Leliana is a legendary adventuress in Thedas, a heroine of the Fifth Blight and reportedly the Hero of Ferelden's lover. Some stories say she yet remains at the Hero of Ferelden's side, but other tales from Val Royeaux say she'd been spotted in the company of Divine Justinia. Rumors within the Chantry claim the Divine has a plan of her own—one that involves Leliana as her personal agent—but few know what such a plan might entail. Given that Leliana is a master storyteller, it's not impossible that these rumors are of her own creation. The truth remains to be seen.

Like you point out it's also entirely possible they are still 'together' even if her duties for the Divine take her away from the Warden, just as his duties in Awakenings did the same.  

Anything she says has to be taken with a grain of salt since (if the Warden and Leliana respect his/her position as consort to the Monarch) they would have to NOT be an official couple, keeping it all mum.  And, she's a bard, it's kind of in her job description to be a credible liar.

[Emzamination]

sylvanaerie wrote...

Like you point out it's also entirely possible they are still 'together' even if her duties for the Divine take her away from the Warden, just as his duties in Awakenings did the same.  

Anything she says has to be taken with a grain of salt since (if the Warden and Leliana respect his/her position as consort to the Monarch) they would have to NOT be an official couple, keeping it all mum.  And, she's a bard, it's kind of in her job description to be a credible liar.

True, think of the scandal  

[Emzamination]

LolaLei wrote...

I know Alistair says something along the lines of: "This belongs to the love of my life, here take it, she has hundreds of them, she's always picking them up on her travels." - If your Warden romanced him, lived and kept Ali as a Warden.

Does anyone know what Zev is supposed to do/say if he was in a relationship with the Warden? I presume he isn't suppose to run off and shag Isabela/Hawke lol.

I don't know exactly what he says since I have to force myself into completing a zevran romance (completionist) but I do know he is suppose to refuse to sleep with isabella if the warden was in a romance with him dead or alive.

[Emzamination]

thats1evildude wrote...

I think Leliana and the Warden are separated because, in my head canon, the Warden went after Flemeth a second time and got eaten. "Til death do you part," you know.

You're talking about that book he got from morrigan? what if the book gave the warden directions to Yavana 

[Dwarva]

Emzamination wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

I know Alistair says something along the lines of: "This belongs to the love of my life, here take it, she has hundreds of them, she's always picking them up on her travels." - If your Warden romanced him, lived and kept Ali as a Warden.

Does anyone know what Zev is supposed to do/say if he was in a relationship with the Warden? I presume he isn't suppose to run off and shag Isabela/Hawke lol.

I don't know exactly what he says since I have to force myself into completing a zevran romance (completionist) but I do know he is suppose to refuse to sleep with isabella if the warden was in a romance with him dead or alive.

Yep if you meet up with Zevran and he remained with the Warden at the end, Isabela/Hawke proposing sex results in him saying something along the lines of 'alas, I would, but my heart belongs to another'.  There is a pretty common bug though that stops this happening and often, despite being in an established relationship, he will have sex with Hawke/Isabela. But, as I understand it, it's a glitch and not a reflection of Zevran's personality/choice...

[jackofalltrades456]

hussey 92 wrote...

Leliana's story has gotten sooooo screwed up. I try not to follow it to save myself the headache.

Tell me about it...

I'm hoping they'll drop the whole " Oh, those choices were only rumors" attiude when writing Dragon Age 3.

I hate saying this, but it was a good idea to limit the appearances of past decisions in Dragon Age 2.  It's fully understandable why they're doing that  in the first place. Origins had so many different choices and outcomes that the game would take as long as Duke Nukem Forever if they tried to implement every single one of them. That being said, the choices that do appear in the game should never be waved or written off when working with import saves.

Like I've said in previous posts, it's just tacky when to pull stuff like what they did with Leliana and Anders choices in Dragon Age 2. All it does is cause plotholes and inconsistencies in the players story when we see characters given a single default outcome. Even when that said outcome counterdicts the choice you made with them in the previous title. (Ex. Ander being in the Wardens and merged with Justice even if the former was handed over to the Chantry and the latter was killed and/or never encountered Anders.)

And as for Zevran....

Boom!

Modifié par jackofalltrades456, 20 mai 2012 - 10:36 .

[SiIencE]

I've done several different DAO+Awakening+WH PT's with several different romances and outcomes (warden always lives and Alistair always king though) And noticed little difference. Mostly Male/Female human mage though. (Was wondering if my choices in the Circle mattered)

The biggest difference i noticed were remarks when Isabela and Anders were in the party meeting Zevran/Alistair/Howe/Leliana (Isabela says something like 'i remember you didn't need much to make you sing).
Most regarding the threesome or 'used to be a warden - Alistair' and meeting Howe in the deeproads with Anders in the group.
I think only Merril adds something along the lines 'the elves got their land - if you did so in DAO' when meeting Alistair.
And then Zevran offcourse when meeting Isabela and when romanced you get another threesome.
Even romancing Leliana and having a romance has no effect when you killed Morrigan at the mirror and stayed.


If you romanced Morrigan in DAO and went through the mirror (Said so on import) there's hardly any reference to her and still you are to return in Denerim. Except for Flemeth talking about Morrigan..

So i'm more wondering if that got put in just to make DA2 feel part of DAO or something because there's little sense. Making me think about it makes it all seem pointless.

Modifié par SiIencE, 24 mai 2012 - 09:25 .

[Emzamination]

SiIencE wrote...

I've done several different DAO+Awakening+WH PT's with several different romances and outcomes (warden always lives and Alistair always king though) And noticed little difference. Mostly Male/Female human mage though. (Was wondering if my choices in the Circle mattered)

The biggest difference i noticed were remarks when Isabela and Anders were in the party meeting Zevran/Alistair/Howe/Leliana (Isabela says something like 'i remember you didn't need much to make you sing).
Most regarding the threesome or 'used to be a warden - Alistair' and meeting Howe in the deeproads with Anders in the group.
I think only Merril adds something along the lines 'the elves got their land - if you did so in DAO' when meeting Alistair.
And then Zevran offcourse when meeting Isabela and when romanced you get another threesome.
Even romancing Leliana and having a romance has no effect when you killed Morrigan at the mirror and stayed.


If you romanced Morrigan in DAO and went through the mirror (Said so on import) there's hardly any reference to her and still you are to return in Denerim. Except for Flemeth talking about Morrigan..

So i'm more wondering if that got put in just to make DA2 feel part of DAO or something because there's little sense. Making me think about it makes it all seem pointless.

Think of the eluvian not as another world but a time capsule.Dragon age 2 is just holding the witch hunt flag till it can be used in Da3.

[sylvanaerie]

Still haven't forgotten you, but thought I'd post an update. I expected to see the Leliana card when I finished Awakenings, but my King Cousland got the Anora one instead (where she greets him back to Denerim with a parade, honors and smile).

Using it as an import to DA2, I began play on my current Hawke, but have subsequently discovered that my copy of Exiled Prince (obtained with the SE and playable prior to this) is broken (an issue others have been having for several months now) in that the game freezes during Sebastian's Act 2 and 3 quests. I am unsure (as I haven't reached act 3 yet) if I will be able to do "Faith". His act 2 quest on my PC behaves exactly as described by others having issues with the DLC.

[animefan]

I consider Leliana the same as the other cameos, broken. Some turn out with few problems, like Alistair. But Leliana will always be here, even if you killed her. Don't write plot holes, you can't guarentee everyone kept her alive.

[sylvanaerie]

animefan wrote...

I consider Leliana the same as the other cameos, broken. Some turn out with few problems, like Alistair. But Leliana will always be here, even if you killed her. Don't write plot holes, you can't guarentee everyone kept her alive.

Didn't bother me as much since I never killed her.  As one of only 2 rogue companions, and the only one of the two who starts with find traps/pick locks, (and my preferred Warden is a Surana) I found her too useful to kill.

Plus, defiling someone's final resting place is kind of anathema to me, I've never been able to do it in game, or even watch UTubes of it.