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[comrade gando]

boy that "starfish" tali sure is volatile. not sure what it is, you either love it or hate it. I say go for it, it's much better than miranda with glowing eyes.

[ThatDancingTurian]

While I don't think she necessarily has to look turian-like, I agree she's way too human. I feel it was a huge cop-out. We already have an 'alien' race that is just human women with a small cosmetic difference, do we really need -two-?

Are the majority of men incapable of liking someone for their personality first even in a video game? It has to come with a conventionally beautiful (and stereotypically human) face, too? I'm not sure if they're underestimating their male audience or not, considering some of the 'that's ugly, I want a space elf' comments I've seen, and not just in this thread. >_>

Modifié par Aris Ravenstar, 11 mai 2012 - 10:49 .

[Reorte]

I think that the main problem is really all the hair. We know quarians don't look too disimilar to humans anyway. I've said this before but simply removing the mask but keeping the rest of the helmet on could've given us an almost 100% human-looking face without much cause for complaint.

[Reorte]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

While I don't think she necessarily has to look turian-like, I agree she's way too human. I feel it was a huge cop-out. We already have an 'alien' race that is just human women with a small cosmetic difference, do we really need -two-?

Are the majority of men incapable of liking someone for their personality first even in a video game? It has to come with a conventionally beautiful (and stereotypically human) face, too? I'm not sure if they're underestimating their male audience or not, considering some of the 'that's ugly, I want a space elf' comments I've seen, and not just in this thread. >_>

Personality helped but let's face it, Tali's got a damned good figure too (I even find the hands and legs attractive). She'd have been less popular if she'd been a volus.

[ThatDancingTurian]

Reorte wrote...

Personality helped but let's face it, Tali's got a damned good figure too (I even find the hands and legs attractive). She'd have been less popular if she'd been a volus.

Well the thing is, her form is human enough to be attractive and yet still distinctly alien. Her face should have been the same.

[Deltoran]

I liked the design Bioware chose. It makes sense for at least one other race to have hair and stuff...I mean come on. I did NOT like their implementation however, lazy...needs 3d model in game.

[AppealToReason]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

Reorte wrote...

Personality helped but let's face it, Tali's got a damned good figure too (I even find the hands and legs attractive). She'd have been less popular if she'd been a volus.

Well the thing is, her form is human enough to be attractive and yet still distinctly alien. Her face should have been the same.

Do you know a lot of people with gypsy space alien lines and blank glowy eyes?

[comrade gando]

hmm I know they're different genders, but femshep had sex with garrus so they're definitely in to xenos. would make sense if mshep got a very alien looking tali. whatever he saw under tali's mask he liked, but who knows what he saw. bioware kinda painted themselves into a corner here, can they grapple hook out of it or will they walk all over the paint. bioware please address this and no casey your BS explanation didn't hide anything.

[Pottumuusi]

In my opinion the biggest problem with the photoshop was her wierdass hand.

The way they just cut the hand from the original picture in half was stupidly blatant.

Modifié par Pottumuusi, 11 mai 2012 - 10:59 .

[wolfsite]

Made sense to me actually.  In Mass Effect 1 if you have Tali in certain bright coloured armours (Orange/White is best) you can see her facial features through the face mask more clearly.  You can't see her face but it did show a more human aesthetic

[ThatDancingTurian]

AppealToReason wrote...

Do you know a lot of people with gypsy space alien lines and blank glowy eyes?

Have I met people that with a little SFX makeup could easily have a quarian face? Yup, everyone. If you can do it with contacts and make-up, it's just not good enough. Mass Effect has always had a higher standard for their character design than cheesy Star Trek aliens. Well, aside from the asari.

[Mass effect 2 forever]

The limbs and body shape is already pretty different from the human norm. I also think the pic shows some kind of, lines or maybe indentations on the face although it could just be face paint; they also have glowing pupiless  eyes. TBH everybody wanted Tali to look beautiful n since Bioware vision of beauty is a woman with dark hair thats what we got. Most races in ME are actually quite bestial with the exception of the Asari so if you think of other verses like Star Wars where there are lots of semi-human races it kinda makes sense that another would look quite close to humans. Why not let it be Quarians?

Seriously though, does somebody at Bioware have a thing for women with dark hair? Almost every heroine they've done has had dark hair. Lelianna and ME3 Femshep are exceptions to the rule n the latter was only by a vote. 

[AppealToReason]

Mass effect 2 forever wrote...

The limbs and body shape is already pretty different from the human norm. I also think the pic shows some kind of, lines or maybe indentations on the face although it could just be face paint; they also have glowing pupiless  eyes. TBH everybody wanted Tali to look beautiful n since Bioware vision of beauty is a woman with dark hair thats what we got. Most races in ME are actually quite bestial with the exception of the Asari so if you think of other verses like Star Wars where there are lots of semi-human races it kinda makes sense that another would look quite close to humans. Why not let it be Quarians?

Seriously though, does somebody at Bioware have a thing for women with dark hair? Almost every heroine they've done has had dark hair. Lelianna and ME3 Femshep are exceptions to the rule n the latter was only by a vote. 

Something in their engine just doesn't lend itself to blond hair. In ME3 it looks awfully green under certain lights. Maybe that could be it? 

[Mass effect 2 forever]

AppealToReason wrote...

Mass effect 2 forever wrote...

The limbs and body shape is already pretty different from the human norm. I also think the pic shows some kind of, lines or maybe indentations on the face although it could just be face paint; they also have glowing pupiless  eyes. TBH everybody wanted Tali to look beautiful n since Bioware vision of beauty is a woman with dark hair thats what we got. Most races in ME are actually quite bestial with the exception of the Asari so if you think of other verses like Star Wars where there are lots of semi-human races it kinda makes sense that another would look quite close to humans. Why not let it be Quarians?

Seriously though, does somebody at Bioware have a thing for women with dark hair? Almost every heroine they've done has had dark hair. Lelianna and ME3 Femshep are exceptions to the rule n the latter was only by a vote. 

Something in their engine just doesn't lend itself to blond hair. In ME3 it looks awfully green under certain lights. Maybe that could be it? 

I think Tali would have been better with some kind of silver hair. Maybe a bit like Daenyrs Targarian off the song of ice and fire (Game of Thrones).

[kalikilic]

judging from the poorly photoshopped stock photo, tali's face, according to bioware, is pretty much human. if they decided to go that way, then thats fine. i'd accept it and i'd understand that quarians look like humans under their mask. what was wrong about that whole tali picture thing is that they photoshopped a stock image when they could've been more creative and drawn a face for her, based on a model at least. even the photoshop was poorly done which made it worse. i'd havew preferred to not see that picture or see a picture with her mask on. a dA member did a much better photoshop of the same photo which looked more authentic than Biowarez.

[Mass effect 2 forever]

kalikilic wrote...

judging from the poorly photoshopped stock photo, tali's face, according to bioware, is pretty much human. if they decided to go that way, then thats fine. i'd accept it and i'd understand that quarians look like humans under their mask. what was wrong about that whole tali picture thing is that they photoshopped a stock image when they could've been more creative and drawn a face for her, based on a model at least. even the photoshop was poorly done which made it worse. i'd havew preferred to not see that picture or see a picture with her mask on. a dA member did a much better photoshop of the same photo which looked more authentic than Biowarez.

That was just one of those incomprehensible decisions Bioware made. Considering you had two games of people specifically saying 'we want to see what Tali's face looks like' I don't know where they got the impression that we only wanted to see a picture. Maybe they hadn't decided and it was a last minute. But still it seemed like such a trite slap in the face. Its not as if the expectation was unreasonable to see a model or animation of the face; I mean they animate every face in the game n for different species.

[comrade gando]

I wont settle for half assedness. Lol assedness. I want a real quarian design not a star trek alien that bull****!

[TheFinalDoctor]

I find it strange that Javik says Quarians were considered attractive by the Protheans, but since she looks very human it's like saying humans find the Protheans attractive, which I'm pretty sure most of the human population would say they are not.

[FatalX7.0]

Lonsecia wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

Quarians are generally shorter and of slighter build than humans.
Quarians have an endoskeleton, lips, teeth, and two eyes with eyelids
and tear ducts; they also have three thick fingers on both hands which
include a thumb, an index finger, and a long finger, similar to the
middle fingers for humans, as well as three toes on each foot. Quarian
facial structure and hair actually makes them the most similar to humans
in physical appearance. Their lower legs are bowed backwards
significantly, compared to asari
or humans. Aside from hands and legs, their general body shape and
sexual dimorphism is similar to humans. Their ears or ear analogues
differ in a noticeable fashion from those of humans, with references
made to "what [passes] for the quarian version of an ear".


Not all aliens need to look like monstrous freaks.

It's unrealistic, cheap, generic, stereotypical and racist.

The photoshop was still cheap and generic too, but the idea that all alien life can't look similar to humans is silly and based on stupid stereotypes from crappy sci-fi movies.

Technically it's racist to assume that no matter where in the universe you are, the human form is the pinnacle of evolution, regardless of your environment, habitat and so forth. It's also unrealistic to assume that it'd be the popular form, considering that even the species we evolved from are for the most part more agile and stronger than we are. Our sole benefit over other creatures (beyond our capacity to learn and reason) is our hands.
Our feet are, quite frankly, a mess. The only creature on planet earth (other than the thylacine) that walks on its heels. Every other living and extinct creature walks and runs on its toes (unless not applicable as in the case of primates, who have palms which have their own benefits). Note also that when we are most agile, we have to keep our heels off the ground.

What you seem to be most hung up on is aesthetics. We should only be attracted to our own species (as in, human). It's daft to want every alien race to be sexy and alluring. I get that it's an extension of liking 'exotic' beauty, and I too find blue aliens that look quite like us rather attractive, but the reality is likely going to be much less appealing if there are other sentient beings out there. 

I'm not sure what you're even talking about.

I never said Aliens had to look human, I said that the idea that Aliens can't look human is stupid.

Also, Volus are sexy.

[Sublyminal]

The Protheans wrote...

arathor_87 wrote...

Dark_Caduceus wrote...

Omega Torsk wrote...

Her looking "way too human" was something I was hoping wouldn't happen but happened anyway and in a very disappointing manner. Taking a stock photo and giving it a quick touch-up in Photoshop. Boom, Tali. No.



Haters gonna hate, but this is how I view Tali and the quarians in headcanon. Hoping for a mod that will replace the in-game photo with this image. Kudos to the person that created it.

the problem with this is that it is ugly.

Yes, she's ugly as hell. This is much worse than we already got. But I respect the creators vision, this is his/hers version of Tali, but she's still ugly as hell.

I am sure she cares about  what your penis's think about how she looks.

Mine just crawled back up inside of me. 

[Deuterium_Dawn]

Dendio1 wrote...

She eats different food, she lives in a bubble suit. She should look more alien like. She should probably look closer to turian since they share digestive systems and have three digits.


Edit: She doesn't have to look terrible. I just want her to be less human than a few lines on her face and a white iris

It's a half-assed, five minute photoshop. What do you expect?

Omega Torsk wrote...

Her looking "way too human" was
something I was hoping wouldn't happen but happened anyway and in a very
disappointing manner. Taking a stock photo and giving it a quick
touch-up in Photoshop. Boom, Tali. No.

Looks like an Avatar rip-off.

Modifié par Deuterium_Dawn, 12 mai 2012 - 12:22 .

[FatalX7.0]

You can replace the in game photo yourself. People did it weeks ago.

It's...fairly simple.

You can google it.

Modifié par FatalX7.0, 12 mai 2012 - 12:21 .

[G Kevin]

Omega Torsk wrote...

Her looking "way too human" was something I was hoping wouldn't happen but happened anyway and in a very disappointing manner. Taking a stock photo and giving it a quick touch-up in Photoshop. Boom, Tali. No.



Haters gonna hate, but this is how I view Tali and the quarians in headcanon. Hoping for a mod that will replace the in-game photo with this image. Kudos to the person that created it.

I don't mind this for Quarians but I am fine with Quarians being human-like. It makes sense with all the information the game has given us.

Modifié par G Kevin, 12 mai 2012 - 12:21 .

[Sublyminal]

Dendio1 wrote...


Well they could have just turned her into a space elf
Not sure if improvement...

Much better than the other one. 

[G Kevin]

Sublyminal wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...


Well they could have just turned her into a space elf
Not sure if improvement...

Much better than the other one. 

Definately find this more attractive.

Modifié par G Kevin, 12 mai 2012 - 12:29 .