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[Lonsecia]

Sublyminal wrote...

Lonsecia wrote...

Sublyminal wrote...

Do any of you guys pay attention at all? Tali herself said that they can be out of their suits for very short periods of time without dying from infection. And to the person that posted the DA photo of Tali, no just no. Tali should NEVER look that ugly ever.

The issue I pointed out was that she appears to be naked in the picture. And I don't care what the game says with regards to it being safe to leave the suit for short periods. There's no guarantee in a climate that's not free from bacteria that you would be perfectly safe. If someone coughed or sneezed anywhere near her in that short 'safe' moment, she'd quite likely die. If their immune system is so poor they have to wear suits, then why at any time risk it? If the suits can 'cleanse' bacteria, then their immune system issues seem rather moot anyway.

I don't even want to imagine what a human STD could do.

And... I dont think Tali looks ugly in that pic. She looks wrong more than anything, most notably the earlobes being so elongated seems weird. The features though are too human to be ugly. I do agree that the strange prong things seem odd, but ugly? No. A baboon's arse is ugly. 

Yes a baboons ass is ugly but that pic of Tali is just as ugly, I can actually look at a baboon without wanting to puke. Imagining Tali looking like that makes my stomach turn. As for the someone sneeze in the vicinity of her while she is out of her suit who said an organic took the photo? You do realize her combat drone can do other things as well right? Btw I'm sure in the year 2185 all human STDs have been eradicated.

You're seriously telling me an alien with primarily humanoid features is ugly enough to make you want to vomit, but a baboon's backside is something you're be okay to stare at/have as Tali's face?
She looks, in that DA image, as human as a Twilek, or an Asari, with only the ears - in my opinion, I admit - seemingly off. I'm not saying it's a sexy image, but the closest I'd get to a negative reaction is due to uncanny valley.
Yeah, I get the drone thing (it's already been mentioned by someone else replying in an equally patronising tone), though we don't know that's what's supposed to have taken the pic or not. But we'll assume it took the photo.
I meant in general removing the costume and being naked in the world is not a clever thing to do, regardless of the having her picture taken. I simply stated that if someone/thing coughed or sneexed near her when she can supposedly stay outside of her suit for a short period of time, it'd make her claims moot. There's no easy way to keep a drone clean in the outdoors, and she seems to think that all that dust and such will not have any effect. One would think simply the chock of temperature/wind/dust/general bad things in the air would be enough to give her pause.
We don't know when the pic was taken, which I've now said three times, to which no one has actually addressed. If it was on Rannoch, why did she think it was appropriate to strip down nothing and have her drone take the picture? It's made clear that the planet's not habitable yet, so it's simply madness on her part (if that's where it's supposed to have been taken). I assume rannoch because of all the planets, it's the only one I can imagine her doing this on (and the only one it seems even remotely plausible she'd feel safe standing naked on). Like wise I assume she'd strip down because there's no hint of her helmet/mask/hood, and you can see her shoulder, so she's at least stripped down to there. 
In fact, why would she strip down to have the picture taken at any point in the story? The image would have made more sense if it'd been doctored to make it appear she'd simply lowered/raised her visor. 

Basically, I'm not after a logical explanation, I'm simply annoyed that they chose an image that implies she stripped down and posed in the outdoors.

I don't think in 173 years time they'll have cured/eradicated all human STD's. People are still to this day not paying attention to their health when having sex, and I'm pretty sure people will still be paying for sex. Not to mention alien STD's. 

But don't mistake this for me having serious quarrels. There are more pressing issues in the game, and even more in the real world, which is why I try and remain civil regardless of what's said

[Reorte]

G Kevin wrote...

I don't mind this for Quarians but I am fine with Quarians being human-like. It makes sense with all the information the game has given us.

And what the picture gave us wasn't human-like it was human. The starfish Tali picture isn't perfect (and a bit too far out of what information we're given) but I'd have been happier if it was what we'd been given. I don't find it unattractive and it's alien in the way almost all sci-fi aliens are (i.e. still a pretty obvious variation on human but nothing that departs from that is going to be appealing).

[Peranor]

I still think that this face would be better then the starfish face. Just tone down the gloss and the shiny veins a bit.
And there's no visible hair on this picture. So feel free to imagine a haircolor of your own choice =)

[Sublyminal]

Lonsecia wrote...

Sublyminal wrote...

Lonsecia wrote...

Sublyminal wrote...

Do any of you guys pay attention at all? Tali herself said that they can be out of their suits for very short periods of time without dying from infection. And to the person that posted the DA photo of Tali, no just no. Tali should NEVER look that ugly ever.

The issue I pointed out was that she appears to be naked in the picture. And I don't care what the game says with regards to it being safe to leave the suit for short periods. There's no guarantee in a climate that's not free from bacteria that you would be perfectly safe. If someone coughed or sneezed anywhere near her in that short 'safe' moment, she'd quite likely die. If their immune system is so poor they have to wear suits, then why at any time risk it? If the suits can 'cleanse' bacteria, then their immune system issues seem rather moot anyway.

I don't even want to imagine what a human STD could do.

And... I dont think Tali looks ugly in that pic. She looks wrong more than anything, most notably the earlobes being so elongated seems weird. The features though are too human to be ugly. I do agree that the strange prong things seem odd, but ugly? No. A baboon's arse is ugly. 

Yes a baboons ass is ugly but that pic of Tali is just as ugly, I can actually look at a baboon without wanting to puke. Imagining Tali looking like that makes my stomach turn. As for the someone sneeze in the vicinity of her while she is out of her suit who said an organic took the photo? You do realize her combat drone can do other things as well right? Btw I'm sure in the year 2185 all human STDs have been eradicated.

You're seriously telling me an alien with primarily humanoid features is ugly enough to make you want to vomit, but a baboon's backside is something you're be okay to stare at/have as Tali's face?
She looks, in that DA image, as human as a Twilek, or an Asari, with only the ears - in my opinion, I admit - seemingly off. I'm not saying it's a sexy image, but the closest I'd get to a negative reaction is due to uncanny valley.
Yeah, I get the drone thing (it's already been mentioned by someone else replying in an equally patronising tone), though we don't know that's what's supposed to have taken the pic or not. But we'll assume it took the photo.
I meant in general removing the costume and being naked in the world is not a clever thing to do, regardless of the having her picture taken. I simply stated that if someone/thing coughed or sneexed near her when she can supposedly stay outside of her suit for a short period of time, it'd make her claims moot. There's no easy way to keep a drone clean in the outdoors, and she seems to think that all that dust and such will not have any effect. One would think simply the chock of temperature/wind/dust/general bad things in the air would be enough to give her pause.
We don't know when the pic was taken, which I've now said three times, to which no one has actually addressed. If it was on Rannoch, why did she think it was appropriate to strip down nothing and have her drone take the picture? It's made clear that the planet's not habitable yet, so it's simply madness on her part (if that's where it's supposed to have been taken). I assume rannoch because of all the planets, it's the only one I can imagine her doing this on (and the only one it seems even remotely plausible she'd feel safe standing naked on). Like wise I assume she'd strip down because there's no hint of her helmet/mask/hood, and you can see her shoulder, so she's at least stripped down to there. 
In fact, why would she strip down to have the picture taken at any point in the story? The image would have made more sense if it'd been doctored to make it appear she'd simply lowered/raised her visor. 

Basically, I'm not after a logical explanation, I'm simply annoyed that they chose an image that implies she stripped down and posed in the outdoors.

I don't think in 173 years time they'll have cured/eradicated all human STD's. People are still to this day not paying attention to their health when having sex, and I'm pretty sure people will still be paying for sex. Not to mention alien STD's. 

But don't mistake this for me having serious quarrels. There are more pressing issues in the game, and even more in the real world, which is why I try and remain civil regardless of what's said

Reading comprehenssion isn't your strong point is it? I never said anything about looking at the baboon's ass, while I did say they were ugly, I said, I'd rather look at a baboon, as in the whole animal than the picture of peel my face back and see if there's another mask underneath the mask.

That''s just it we don't know what the future holds, for all we know them finding the mass effect designs, that advanced our civilization by 10k plus years according to the illusive man, also made us figure out how to cure cancer, aids, etc. Hell, in the ME world humans live to be 150 or damn close, who wouldn't want that? Also, if diseases weren't cured then, the probability of all humans living into their 100's would seem impossible.

Modifié par Sublyminal, 12 mai 2012 - 01:13 .

[hoodaticus]

Smoking hot tho - I take back everything I said about her legs.

[Lonsecia]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

Lonsecia wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

Quarians are generally shorter and of slighter build than humans.
Quarians have an endoskeleton, lips, teeth, and two eyes with eyelids
and tear ducts; they also have three thick fingers on both hands which
include a thumb, an index finger, and a long finger, similar to the
middle fingers for humans, as well as three toes on each foot. Quarian
facial structure and hair actually makes them the most similar to humans
in physical appearance. Their lower legs are bowed backwards
significantly, compared to asari
or humans. Aside from hands and legs, their general body shape and
sexual dimorphism is similar to humans. Their ears or ear analogues
differ in a noticeable fashion from those of humans, with references
made to "what [passes] for the quarian version of an ear".


Not all aliens need to look like monstrous freaks.

It's unrealistic, cheap, generic, stereotypical and racist.

The photoshop was still cheap and generic too, but the idea that all alien life can't look similar to humans is silly and based on stupid stereotypes from crappy sci-fi movies.

Technically it's racist to assume that no matter where in the universe you are, the human form is the pinnacle of evolution, regardless of your environment, habitat and so forth. It's also unrealistic to assume that it'd be the popular form, considering that even the species we evolved from are for the most part more agile and stronger than we are. Our sole benefit over other creatures (beyond our capacity to learn and reason) is our hands.
Our feet are, quite frankly, a mess. The only creature on planet earth (other than the thylacine) that walks on its heels. Every other living and extinct creature walks and runs on its toes (unless not applicable as in the case of primates, who have palms which have their own benefits). Note also that when we are most agile, we have to keep our heels off the ground.

What you seem to be most hung up on is aesthetics. We should only be attracted to our own species (as in, human). It's daft to want every alien race to be sexy and alluring. I get that it's an extension of liking 'exotic' beauty, and I too find blue aliens that look quite like us rather attractive, but the reality is likely going to be much less appealing if there are other sentient beings out there. 

I'm not sure what you're even talking about.

I never said Aliens had to look human, I said that the idea that Aliens can't look human is stupid.

Also, Volus are sexy.

Your exact words were ''Not all aliens need to look like monsterous freaks... It's unrealistic, cheap, generic, stereotypical and racist'' to which I replied as I did, because you implied that it's somehow more creative, and less lazy to make them look human, and somehow human aliens are less a stereotypical than something, y'know, alien.

My point was that I honestly think it's not any of those things to have all aliens not look anything like humans. We evolved on planet Earth, and aside from a bipedal form, there's little about our physical form that's remotely feasable for other species. I don't think it's impossible, but it's highly improbable that another species in the galaxy would be around our height, with a similar bipedal form, and our face.
We have species on Earth that have managed this, but there're usually enough differences to tell them apart. Sometimes we end up with creatures that are completely unrelated looking similar to one another because they fill a similar niche. For humans though, very little of that is applicable. Our eyes being centre-forward is the most likely facial feature to be relatively consistant throughout the universe, but our nose, ears, mouth, etc are all very average in comparison to other species on Earth, let alone what a creature from a planet completely unlike ours would need/have evolved to have/no longer have.

The thing about species on Earth that end up looking like each other is that we all have the same origin: The oceans of this planet. We don't know what other species in the galaxy evolved from, but I'm pretty certain it wasn't off the coast of Africa. We don't even know if they evolved from water-based creatures, and so their physiology should be more pronouncably different. 

In other words: I think space humans are silly, and I think it's also daft to have so many species in science fiction walk/stand like we do. It's understandable in films where budget and the fact it's humans in costumes, and it's something I commend Bioware for avoiding (not one creature in ME appears to walk like humans, most seem to adhere to the superiority of toes only).
And with that, I also mean that the human face, beautiful though if may often be, is shaped by -our- evolution, which I seriously don't see a species in the galaxy managing to mirror: from the sea, to the shore, to underground, to the trees, back to the ground, then wherever our stupid feet will take us.

I'd also like to reiterate that I do like aliens that look human, I just don't see it as particularly believable, and in general I like the aesthetics of ME.
I just think with the Asari already being 'sexy female blue-hued aliens with prerequisite head-tacles from outer-space' we don't need 'human-faced bird-hipped, three digit sexy aliens from outer-space that have the same facial freatures as two other species in the galaxy'.
Do none of these intergalactic races have a better-than-human sense of sight, sound, smell or touch than humans... really? Are none of them equipped with the nostrils needed to take in large amounts of air (like a cheetah) to allow faster-than-human sprinting? Are none built to have jaws that can grip a prey animal until it's dead? 
This is why I prefer the Hanar, Elcor and other non-bipedal aliens. I also love that they are also very alien in their mannerisms, politics and outlook.
Whereas all the bipedal races follow differing Human political ideals.

I'm aware that they might state they do, but when they look like humans, it's a tough sell to believe that a humanoid alien with the same sized eyes as us can see greater distances/in the dark, primarily as it's something we'd have to take thier word for, rather than beinig given a clear 'ah, that species has big eyes, so can likely see very well'. In fact, do any of the aliens in ME have big eyes - or at least big in proportion to ours/their headsize?

I can believe a Turian is supposed to have better stamina than us, be faster, and probably could kill something with its beak/jaw/mandible, but considering the small, human-sized opening, I don't see it catching anything big efficiently.

And yes, I know I'm overlooking things, and/or am being pedantic, but I really just wish Bioware had, as said above, stuck with truly alien designs. Meh, it's now 2:30am, and I'm starting to ramble. Sorry.

[Avalon Aurora]

What we do know is that Quarians have glowing eyes (or their faceplates do that for some reason), human-like noses, longer necks and different shaped hands than the crappy photoshop, probably won't have as much or as nice hair under those helmets as the crappy photoshop, have 'what passes for the Quarian version of an ear' (disqualifying the starfish face deviantart fanart), they have similar sexual dimorphism and faces to humans, also possess hair, although not neccesarily hair very similar to human hair, and possess extensive cybernetics. They have similar enough lips to be able to kiss and suck through straws.

From what we've seen, I'd actually guess they have similar facial proportions to some of those statues and carvings of the faces of the Egyptian Pharohs, with a very prominent chin (part of why the mask is shaped like it is), and slightly large and rather simplistic shaped and angular noses. There may or may not be visible evidence of cybernetics. Occular cybernetics, given the glowing eyes, is highly likely. I wouldn't be surprised if they adopted the occular cybernetics with the glowing eyes around the same time they did the tinted face-masks, to allow them to still make eye-contact effectively, despite the tinted masks being hard to see through from the outside.

They probably have relatively pale toned skin, although what the base tone is could be wildly different from humans (ignoring the crappy shop's existence), unless the suits are designed to simulate the sunlight they evolved under.

I'd also like to point out that the Quarian immune systems, while weak, and infections often referred to, is something of an inaccuracy. Their immune systems aren't that much weaker than before they started living in suits, at least not genetically. They were somewhat weak prior, due to the environment of their homeworld, but the real reason for their health issues outside the suits seems to be allergic reactions to substances from outside of their highly sterile environment, because their immune system isn't well adjusted and over-reacts to otherwise harmless things it hasn't had a chance to adapt to, or practice having normal reactions in the first place. These allergic reactions can also worsen actual infections, or wear out their immune system before facing actual infections.

This is why the Geth are able to help fix the Quarian immune systems by interfacing with their suits and cybernetics. They are able to help train and stimulate their immune systems to not have allergic reactions to everything.

Also, Javik states that the Quarians are beautiful, even moreso than the Asari. This might imply that the Quarians have some traits similar to the Protheans, unless Javik has identical standards of beauty to a human. I would not be surprised if Quarians possessed similar coloration and some areas of skin-texture to Protheans, perhaps similar teeth as well, or maybe were pretty and colorful like tropical birds or fish.

Shepard is not repulsed by Tali's face, or even particularly surprised by it, so it can't be too weird, nor can it be unattractive or shocking by human standards.

Quarians are mammals, so they are 'warm blooded', have live births, and breastfeed their young (or at least they did before the suits became standard, I wouldn't be surprised if they mostly use some kind of formula equivalent now, which would also contribute to causing issues with their immune systems if they breastfeed for similar reasons humans do).

[Lonsecia]

Sublyminal wrote...

Lonsecia wrote...

Sublyminal wrote...

Lonsecia wrote...

Sublyminal wrote...

Do any of you guys pay attention at all? Tali herself said that they can be out of their suits for very short periods of time without dying from infection. And to the person that posted the DA photo of Tali, no just no. Tali should NEVER look that ugly ever.

The issue I pointed out was that she appears to be naked in the picture. And I don't care what the game says with regards to it being safe to leave the suit for short periods. There's no guarantee in a climate that's not free from bacteria that you would be perfectly safe. If someone coughed or sneezed anywhere near her in that short 'safe' moment, she'd quite likely die. If their immune system is so poor they have to wear suits, then why at any time risk it? If the suits can 'cleanse' bacteria, then their immune system issues seem rather moot anyway.

I don't even want to imagine what a human STD could do.

And... I dont think Tali looks ugly in that pic. She looks wrong more than anything, most notably the earlobes being so elongated seems weird. The features though are too human to be ugly. I do agree that the strange prong things seem odd, but ugly? No. A baboon's arse is ugly. 

Yes a baboons ass is ugly but that pic of Tali is just as ugly, I can actually look at a baboon without wanting to puke. Imagining Tali looking like that makes my stomach turn. As for the someone sneeze in the vicinity of her while she is out of her suit who said an organic took the photo? You do realize her combat drone can do other things as well right? Btw I'm sure in the year 2185 all human STDs have been eradicated.

You're seriously telling me an alien with primarily humanoid features is ugly enough to make you want to vomit, but a baboon's backside is something you're be okay to stare at/have as Tali's face?
She looks, in that DA image, as human as a Twilek, or an Asari, with only the ears - in my opinion, I admit - seemingly off. I'm not saying it's a sexy image, but the closest I'd get to a negative reaction is due to uncanny valley.
Yeah, I get the drone thing (it's already been mentioned by someone else replying in an equally patronising tone), though we don't know that's what's supposed to have taken the pic or not. But we'll assume it took the photo.
I meant in general removing the costume and being naked in the world is not a clever thing to do, regardless of the having her picture taken. I simply stated that if someone/thing coughed or sneexed near her when she can supposedly stay outside of her suit for a short period of time, it'd make her claims moot. There's no easy way to keep a drone clean in the outdoors, and she seems to think that all that dust and such will not have any effect. One would think simply the chock of temperature/wind/dust/general bad things in the air would be enough to give her pause.
We don't know when the pic was taken, which I've now said three times, to which no one has actually addressed. If it was on Rannoch, why did she think it was appropriate to strip down nothing and have her drone take the picture? It's made clear that the planet's not habitable yet, so it's simply madness on her part (if that's where it's supposed to have been taken). I assume rannoch because of all the planets, it's the only one I can imagine her doing this on (and the only one it seems even remotely plausible she'd feel safe standing naked on). Like wise I assume she'd strip down because there's no hint of her helmet/mask/hood, and you can see her shoulder, so she's at least stripped down to there. 
In fact, why would she strip down to have the picture taken at any point in the story? The image would have made more sense if it'd been doctored to make it appear she'd simply lowered/raised her visor. 

Basically, I'm not after a logical explanation, I'm simply annoyed that they chose an image that implies she stripped down and posed in the outdoors.

I don't think in 173 years time they'll have cured/eradicated all human STD's. People are still to this day not paying attention to their health when having sex, and I'm pretty sure people will still be paying for sex. Not to mention alien STD's. 

But don't mistake this for me having serious quarrels. There are more pressing issues in the game, and even more in the real world, which is why I try and remain civil regardless of what's said

Reading comprehenssion isn't your strong point is it? I never said anything about looking at the baboon's ass, while I did say they were ugly, I said, I'd rather look at a baboon, as in the whole animal than the picture of peel my face back and see if there's another mask underneath the mask.

That''s just it we don't know what the future holds, for all we know them finding the mass effect designs, that advanced our civilization by 10k plus years according to the illusive man, also made us figure out how to cure cancer, aids, etc. Hell, in the ME world humans live to be 150 or damn close, who wouldn't want that? Also, if diseases weren't cured then, the probability of all humans living into their 100's would seem impossible.

And the insults continue.
I was joking when I first mentioned the baboon's arse, and in my second reference was making light of the fact you'd said that her face would cause you to be violently ill, and that a baboon is fine to look at, even when I'd specified its bum, not the primate in general.

It advanced us technologically 10k+ years according to people who can only speculate where we'd have been without it.
If it really allowed the curing of so many things, the most pressing issue then would be why with such advanced tech, it couldn't prevent the degradation of tissue caused by free radicals.
I can imagine there being cults and so forth that would refuse to accept the 'gifts' that came with the Mass relay tech . I can't see Jehovah's Witnesses embracing it, not to mention the indiginous tribes spread across the planet (unless they've all been rounded up and been forced to modernise their existance). I don't see religion dying down in such a short space of time, and considering the general themes of the ending, I don't think the writers do either, which leads me to believe that most would not be as embracing of this technology as one would like to believe.
I'd also assume there's still a poverty line and a class system, unless somehow that all fades away to nothing.
And all that's assuming they were able to cure every horrifiying disease that currently plagues the world today.

In addition: IF it was able to advance us so far that we cured everything, then why doesn't it seem to have done the same thing for the Quarians or for Thane's race (he is dying of a cancer, after all)?
I can accept that perhaps it had but due to their atmosphere being compromised, they would need new cures/ways to prevent anything and everything killing them, but if in such a short space of time we managed that, then surely finding ways to cure every disease out there would have happened? 

You insulted me because you felt you needed to, I get that. But please refrain from it. If I'd said something wholly unacceptable, I'd be perfectly okay with it, but we're talking about a game here, and not even a part of it that should lead to insults in the first place. I shall remain civil because it's how I prefer to compose myself, and I'd hope you will in future show a little more decorum.

[G Kevin]

Reorte wrote...

G Kevin wrote...

I don't mind this for Quarians but I am fine with Quarians being human-like. It makes sense with all the information the game has given us.

And what the picture gave us wasn't human-like it was human. The starfish Tali picture isn't perfect (and a bit too far out of what information we're given) but I'd have been happier if it was what we'd been given. I don't find it unattractive and it's alien in the way almost all sci-fi aliens are (i.e. still a pretty obvious variation on human but nothing that departs from that is going to be appealing).

Yea, I wasn't talking about the pic we got. The face through the visor in-game is enough for me to know that they are pretty much human-like. Would have liked something other than a poor photoshop though.

[xbb1024]

She should be made to look mych more like biological versions of the Geth. It would be logical that the Geth were modeled after their designers.

More to this point, I think there needs to be more diversity with the aliens in general. Most of them look like they evolved out of Earth creatures.

[Krunjar]

I agree she looks a bit tooo human. There's no reason for her to look like a turian. The reason they look like they do is because of the high backround radiation level on their planet almost everything needs the organic equivolant of lead lining to stay alive.

[arathor_87]

The Protheans wrote...

arathor_87 wrote...

Dark_Caduceus wrote...

Omega Torsk wrote...

Her looking "way too human" was something I was hoping wouldn't happen but happened anyway and in a very disappointing manner. Taking a stock photo and giving it a quick touch-up in Photoshop. Boom, Tali. No.



Haters gonna hate, but this is how I view Tali and the quarians in headcanon. Hoping for a mod that will replace the in-game photo with this image. Kudos to the person that created it.

the problem with this is that it is ugly.

Yes, she's ugly as hell. This is much worse than we already got. But I respect the creators vision, this is his/hers version of Tali, but she's still ugly as hell.

I am sure she cares about  what your penis's think about how she looks.

First of all, you are a sick man. 

But that's my opinion about the picture, she's ugly. It looks like the face is a mask. First she got some form of tentacles at the top of her face, then normal hair behind and under it. It's just to much and looks to weird. The ears are also weird. 

But I wouldn't mind a "space-elf" alien look with some cybernetics, but not this. It has been known for a long time that quarians look alot like humans, but this is to much "alien" to fit the description of them.

Modifié par arathor_87, 12 mai 2012 - 09:17 .

[Omega Torsk]

Apparently, posting that picture (and liking it) causes mass jimmy-rustling in this particular topic.

You really showed me, I guess.

[Shallyah]

Asari look too human.

Quarians look fine, as they were already described as the race that look closest to humans in their facial features.

[Reorte]

Shallyah wrote...

Asari look too human.

Quarians look fine, as they were already described as the race that look closest to humans in their facial features.

As I said earlier close to human and exactly the same as human are two different things. Spock's face looks more alien than Tali's.

[LordSlavius]

Am I the only one that finds their human faces particularly disturbing when placed upon such non-human bodies (wide hips, three toes, three fingers, knees bent backwards)? A human face looks normal on a human body, but to place on on such an odd body as a Quarians... the whole picture would just look really weird... like a circus freak or something.

She'd have been fine if her face had been humanoid but not human, just like her body, or Garrus, or anything else. It would also have been interesting to have her not conventionally attractive. Why should her face be attractive to humans? The Quarians aren't humans. It would have been a much better trick to pull to have the player fall for her through her personality, voice and mannerisms and then make her not exceedingly good-looking. How trite that she turned out to be "gorgeous".

Says a lot that female players are content to romance Garrus despite his strange looks because his personality is just that damn awesome, but male gamers would turn right off Tali the moment she doesn't look like a human supermodel.

That said, that silly "space elf" picture posted earlier would still have been preferable than what we got. At least it still fell on the side of "human-like but not human", and space elves are hardly a new idea - Starcraft has the Protoss, Warhammer 40k has the Eldar.

[Peranor]

LordSlavius wrote...

Am I the only one that finds their human faces particularly disturbing when placed upon such non-human bodies (wide hips, three toes, three fingers, knees bent backwards)? A human face looks normal on a human body, but to place on on such an odd body as a Quarians... the whole picture would just look really weird... like a circus freak or something.

She'd have been fine if her face had been humanoid but not human, just like her body, or Garrus, or anything else. It would also have been interesting to have her not conventionally attractive. Why should her face be attractive to humans? The Quarians aren't humans. It would have been a much better trick to pull to have the player fall for her through her personality, voice and mannerisms and then make her not exceedingly good-looking. How trite that she turned out to be "gorgeous".

Says a lot that female players are content to romance Garrus despite his strange looks because his personality is just that damn awesome, but male gamers would turn right off Tali the moment she doesn't look like a human supermodel.

That said, that silly "space elf" picture posted earlier would still have been preferable than what we got. At least it still fell on the side of "human-like but not human", and space elves are hardly a new idea - Starcraft has the Protoss, Warhammer 40k has the Eldar.

This is exactly what I feel.

[vixvicco]

They were too lazy to do it properly.

[sorentoft]

arathor_87 wrote...

Dark_Caduceus wrote...

Omega Torsk wrote...

Her looking "way too human" was something I was hoping wouldn't happen but happened anyway and in a very disappointing manner. Taking a stock photo and giving it a quick touch-up in Photoshop. Boom, Tali. No.



Haters gonna hate, but this is how I view Tali and the quarians in headcanon. Hoping for a mod that will replace the in-game photo with this image. Kudos to the person that created it.

the problem with this is that it is ugly.

Yes, she's ugly as hell. This is much worse than we already got. But I respect the creators vision, this is his/hers version of Tali, but she's still ugly as hell.

Ugly? It's beautiful and exotic. I question your judgement.

[arathor_87]

If I had to choose another look for her, I would rather have her looking like one of the pictures below than the "fishface". Number 2 or the first picture in number 3 is my favourite, maybe tweak them a little (maybe change the skin colour or some other facial features)

But I love the current photo of her in the game, but it would be nice to make it more "computerish" and maybe some other minor changes to the face. 

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[arathor_87]

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[sorentoft]

arathor_87 wrote...

If I had to choose another look for her, I would rather have her looking like one of the pictures below than the "fishface". Number 2 or the first picture in number 3 is my favourite, maybe tweak them a little (maybe change the skin colour or some other facial features)

But I love the current photo of her in the game, but it would be nice to make it more "computerish" and maybe some other minor changes to the face.

I find them way too human personally - except for thos eyes on 2 and 3, they're just creepy.

[Sublyminal]

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Do any of you guys pay attention at all? Tali herself said that they can be out of their suits for very short periods of time without dying from infection. And to the person that posted the DA photo of Tali, no just no. Tali should NEVER look that ugly ever.

The issue I pointed out was that she appears to be naked in the picture. And I don't care what the game says with regards to it being safe to leave the suit for short periods. There's no guarantee in a climate that's not free from bacteria that you would be perfectly safe. If someone coughed or sneezed anywhere near her in that short 'safe' moment, she'd quite likely die. If their immune system is so poor they have to wear suits, then why at any time risk it? If the suits can 'cleanse' bacteria, then their immune system issues seem rather moot anyway.

I don't even want to imagine what a human STD could do.

And... I dont think Tali looks ugly in that pic. She looks wrong more than anything, most notably the earlobes being so elongated seems weird. The features though are too human to be ugly. I do agree that the strange prong things seem odd, but ugly? No. A baboon's arse is ugly. 

Yes a baboons ass is ugly but that pic of Tali is just as ugly, I can actually look at a baboon without wanting to puke. Imagining Tali looking like that makes my stomach turn. As for the someone sneeze in the vicinity of her while she is out of her suit who said an organic took the photo? You do realize her combat drone can do other things as well right? Btw I'm sure in the year 2185 all human STDs have been eradicated.

You're seriously telling me an alien with primarily humanoid features is ugly enough to make you want to vomit, but a baboon's backside is something you're be okay to stare at/have as Tali's face?
She looks, in that DA image, as human as a Twilek, or an Asari, with only the ears - in my opinion, I admit - seemingly off. I'm not saying it's a sexy image, but the closest I'd get to a negative reaction is due to uncanny valley.
Yeah, I get the drone thing (it's already been mentioned by someone else replying in an equally patronising tone), though we don't know that's what's supposed to have taken the pic or not. But we'll assume it took the photo.
I meant in general removing the costume and being naked in the world is not a clever thing to do, regardless of the having her picture taken. I simply stated that if someone/thing coughed or sneexed near her when she can supposedly stay outside of her suit for a short period of time, it'd make her claims moot. There's no easy way to keep a drone clean in the outdoors, and she seems to think that all that dust and such will not have any effect. One would think simply the chock of temperature/wind/dust/general bad things in the air would be enough to give her pause.
We don't know when the pic was taken, which I've now said three times, to which no one has actually addressed. If it was on Rannoch, why did she think it was appropriate to strip down nothing and have her drone take the picture? It's made clear that the planet's not habitable yet, so it's simply madness on her part (if that's where it's supposed to have been taken). I assume rannoch because of all the planets, it's the only one I can imagine her doing this on (and the only one it seems even remotely plausible she'd feel safe standing naked on). Like wise I assume she'd strip down because there's no hint of her helmet/mask/hood, and you can see her shoulder, so she's at least stripped down to there. 
In fact, why would she strip down to have the picture taken at any point in the story? The image would have made more sense if it'd been doctored to make it appear she'd simply lowered/raised her visor. 

Basically, I'm not after a logical explanation, I'm simply annoyed that they chose an image that implies she stripped down and posed in the outdoors.

I don't think in 173 years time they'll have cured/eradicated all human STD's. People are still to this day not paying attention to their health when having sex, and I'm pretty sure people will still be paying for sex. Not to mention alien STD's. 

But don't mistake this for me having serious quarrels. There are more pressing issues in the game, and even more in the real world, which is why I try and remain civil regardless of what's said

Reading comprehenssion isn't your strong point is it? I never said anything about looking at the baboon's ass, while I did say they were ugly, I said, I'd rather look at a baboon, as in the whole animal than the picture of peel my face back and see if there's another mask underneath the mask.

That''s just it we don't know what the future holds, for all we know them finding the mass effect designs, that advanced our civilization by 10k plus years according to the illusive man, also made us figure out how to cure cancer, aids, etc. Hell, in the ME world humans live to be 150 or damn close, who wouldn't want that? Also, if diseases weren't cured then, the probability of all humans living into their 100's would seem impossible.

And the insults continue.
I was joking when I first mentioned the baboon's arse, and in my second reference was making light of the fact you'd said that her face would cause you to be violently ill, and that a baboon is fine to look at, even when I'd specified its bum, not the primate in general.

It advanced us technologically 10k+ years according to people who can only speculate where we'd have been without it.
If it really allowed the curing of so many things, the most pressing issue then would be why with such advanced tech, it couldn't prevent the degradation of tissue caused by free radicals.
I can imagine there being cults and so forth that would refuse to accept the 'gifts' that came with the Mass relay tech . I can't see Jehovah's Witnesses embracing it, not to mention the indiginous tribes spread across the planet (unless they've all been rounded up and been forced to modernise their existance). I don't see religion dying down in such a short space of time, and considering the general themes of the ending, I don't think the writers do either, which leads me to believe that most would not be as embracing of this technology as one would like to believe.
I'd also assume there's still a poverty line and a class system, unless somehow that all fades away to nothing.
And all that's assuming they were able to cure every horrifiying disease that currently plagues the world today.

In addition: IF it was able to advance us so far that we cured everything, then why doesn't it seem to have done the same thing for the Quarians or for Thane's race (he is dying of a cancer, after all)?
I can accept that perhaps it had but due to their atmosphere being compromised, they would need new cures/ways to prevent anything and everything killing them, but if in such a short space of time we managed that, then surely finding ways to cure every disease out there would have happened? 

You insulted me because you felt you needed to, I get that. But please refrain from it. If I'd said something wholly unacceptable, I'd be perfectly okay with it, but we're talking about a game here, and not even a part of it that should lead to insults in the first place. I shall remain civil because it's how I prefer to compose myself, and I'd hope you will in future show a little more decorum.

I wasn't insulting you, I asked a legitimate question. I tend to do that when getting quoted out of context, or having words put into my mouth. It's my nature. If you took it as an insult know that it wasn't intended to be. 


Thane isn't dying of cancer, completely different disease, he's dying of Kepral Syndrome which only affects his species. Also according to him, the Hanar saved his people from early extinction, the Hanar don't seem to have any types of diseases other than being stupid jellyfish, according to Shepard. So perhaps it's something in their atmosphrere that cause some Drell to get the disease and others not too. 

As for the Quarian thing, I never quite understood the need for the envirosuits myself, considering humans have the ability to pretty much go anywhere without impurity, just look at Shepard in ME2, when he is on a clearly nuclear radioactive Tuchanka breathing their air just fine. Only thing I can say about that, is ask the writers, why they did what they did.. 


Jehovah's Witnesses don't embrace anything having to do with medical, which is why most sane people run from them; I'm sorry but if a doc told me that my kid could be saved by a blood transfusion I'm going to roll up my sleeve. One of the many many problems with all religions these days. I believe in a higher being but I don't relate to any one religion. 

[Sublyminal]

sorentoft wrote...

arathor_87 wrote...

Dark_Caduceus wrote...

Omega Torsk wrote...

Her looking "way too human" was something I was hoping wouldn't happen but happened anyway and in a very disappointing manner. Taking a stock photo and giving it a quick touch-up in Photoshop. Boom, Tali. No.



Haters gonna hate, but this is how I view Tali and the quarians in headcanon. Hoping for a mod that will replace the in-game photo with this image. Kudos to the person that created it.

the problem with this is that it is ugly.

Yes, she's ugly as hell. This is much worse than we already got. But I respect the creators vision, this is his/hers version of Tali, but she's still ugly as hell.

Ugly? It's beautiful and exotic. I question your judgement.

I question yours my friend, I mean look at that,,,, It looks like if you were to grip and pull hard enough you could pull her whole face off. 

[Shallyah]

Poop

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