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[Lord Goose]

Shepard already proved the catalyst wrong when s/he united the geth and quarians. There is no reason to think that it will eventually happen.

Same could be said about Shepard suddenly choosing to begin harvest anew.

[Demoiselle]

Well I'm just gonna assume in BWs head-canon for the series, they didn't secretly decide that two of the three ending choices are going to end with the Reapers coming back.

Metagaming FTW!

[Lord Goose]

Depends. 

Can they return, and is their destruction also an option?

They cannot return by virtue of deus ex machina (infallible creator, say).
Destruction is not an option.

[The Night Mammoth]

Demoiselle wrote...

Well I'm just gonna assume in BWs head-canon for the series, they didn't secretly decide that two of the three ending choices are going to end with the Reapers coming back.

Metagaming FTW!

Good for you.

I used my own head-canon to rewrite the ending completely. 

You know, since there is no official canon with Mass Effect. That has a more liberating meaning than I think people remember. 

[Rip504]

Sidney wrote...

Rip504 wrote...


Specifically Tell me what happens to the Reapers in the Green ending? O you can't say? Starchild states there will be peace? Starchild also states The relays will be destroyed. Our Bioware "Tweet endings" state this may not be the case...

So?

There are no more organics to kill so the Reapers have no reason to reaper. That should be pretty obvious.

:lol:
Where does it clearly state how the greenie will work?
A New DNA? So they are not "Reapering",well WHAT are they doing? Dominating a crippled galaxy? 80 billions years of war and harvesting and now what? They are a peaceful race helping us rebuild? Did the Reapers agree with the Catalyst or were they just under it's control? What are the Reapers morales? The strong survive? Idk do you? It wasn't explained to me in-game so idk. Was it "tweeted"?

[estebanus]

Lord Goose wrote...

Shepard already proved the catalyst wrong when s/he united the geth and quarians. There is no reason to think that it will eventually happen.

Same could be said about Shepard suddenly choosing to begin harvest anew.

I never said that Shepard will start the harvest. I just have very serious doubts about him/her being able to actually control the reapers.

If you think about it, Shepard's eyes become indoctrinated in the control ending, so that may mean that the reapers actually controlled him/her before s/he controlled them!

That would mean that the reapers would be controlling the person that controls them!

CONTROLCEPTION.

[The Night Mammoth]

Lord Goose wrote...

Depends. 

Can they return, and is their destruction also an option?

They cannot return by virtue of deus ex machina (infallible creator, say).
Destruction is not an option.

If that were the only option sure. 

At least with this there is the option to destroy them.

[Zulmoka531]

When in doubt,a movie line always helps me decide on issues like this:

"Nuke them from orbit, it's the only way to be sure".

[Lord Goose]

If that were the only option sure. 

At least with this there is the option to destroy them.

For that reason? If Reapers are no longer threat for the galaxy and never will be, of course. 

[Rip504]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

No. 

Fortunately, synthetics are no more a threat to organic extistence than other organics are. 

Well I guess an Organic Race could wipe out all Organic life,and then turn around and commit mass Genocide on their own Organic race to kill off all Organics. And hope new Organic life never forms again. As it was nothing more then a mutation in the first place? Reaper claims.

On the other hand a Synthetic race could wipe out all organic life and survive to continue to kill any new organic life. Ensuring Organic extinction...

[Segameister]

Shajar wrote...

I dont want to destroy them, that would be genocide. But Shepard dies in control ending so i feel forced to do destroy ending

Agree, I don't see this as the best ending because Shep dies - if he's 'powder' what's to stop that godbrat from calling them back and finishing the job?

Ultimately all endings are fails.

[Sidney]

Rip504 wrote...


:lol:
Where does it clearly state how the greenie will work?
A New DNA? So they are not "Reapering",well WHAT are they doing? Dominating a crippled galaxy? 80 billions years of war and harvesting and now what? They are a peaceful race helping us rebuild? Did the Reapers agree with the Catalyst or were they just under it's control? What are the Reapers morales? The strong survive? Idk do you? It wasn't explained to me in-game so idk. Was it "tweeted"?

Wow, really, you are having trouble with this? Dear god. I guess they do need to epxlain things in painful detail to the less than bright. The Reapers kill organics, the green ending = no organics. Where is there room for the misunderstanding? That synthesis is a new evolution that will end the need to create "order" because there is no longer conflict. Who knows/cares what the reapers now do. Their job is done.

Look, the endings suck rocks. The whole logic of them is awful but you can't miss how the green ending works using the "logic of the game.

[Rip504]

Segameister wrote...

Shajar wrote...

I dont want to destroy them, that would be genocide. But Shepard dies in control ending so i feel forced to do destroy ending

Agree, I don't see this as the best ending because Shep dies - if he's 'powder' what's to stop that godbrat from calling them back and finishing the job?

Ultimately all endings are fails.

The Starchild state it will take us both... I was under the Assumption that Shepard and the Catalyst combined to create this New DNA,leaving the Reapers free,uncontrolled,and unknown...

Modifié par Rip504, 11 mai 2012 - 08:46 .

[Rip504]

Sidney wrote...

Look, the endings suck rocks. The whole logic of them is awful but you can't miss how the green ending works using the "logic of the game.

:lol:
Are you pulling my leg?
Did I miss it,or did I state it merges synthetic and Organic life to create a New DNA? Starchild states Peace etc. It is the most unexplained ending I have ever personally seen.

Who cares what the Reapers are doing? Really? Then why play ME1,2,or 3?

Modifié par Rip504, 11 mai 2012 - 08:49 .

[Lord Goose]

I never said that Shepard will start the harvest. I just have very serious doubts about him/her being able to actually control the reapers.

If the choice is lie, the whole thing is meaningless. 

[The Night Mammoth]

Rip504 wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

No. 

Fortunately, synthetics are no more a threat to organic extistence than other organics are. 

Well I guess an Organic Race could wipe out all Organic life,and then turn around and commit mass Genocide on their own Organic race to kill off all Organics. And hope new Organic life never forms again. As it was nothing more then a mutation in the first place? Reaper claims.

Or just kill each other in a giant self-destructive war. 

On the other hand a Synthetic race could wipe out all organic life and survive to continue to kill any new organic life. Ensuring Organic extinction...

They wont. That's my point. I have no reason to believe that synthetics will ever pose a threat like that. If they complete the pretty much impossible task of eradicating all organic life then there's still no way they can stop it appearing again. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 11 mai 2012 - 09:00 .

[estebanus]

Lord Goose wrote...

I never said that Shepard will start the harvest. I just have very serious doubts about him/her being able to actually control the reapers.

If the choice is lie, the whole thing is meaningless. 

I never said it's a lie, and it's possible that Shepard can control them. I just have my doubts.

the thing is, it is being hinted throughout the whole game, that you "can't control the reapers. They control you." Hell, you even say that to TIM right before you meet the catalyst.

The reapers simply seem like too big a menace for simply one person to control...

[Baa Baa]

Killing them is a way to stop them. It's also the best way. They're ****ing abominations man.

[Lopez23]

Sidney wrote...

Rip504 wrote...


:lol:
Where does it clearly state how the greenie will work?
A New DNA? So they are not "Reapering",well WHAT are they doing? Dominating a crippled galaxy? 80 billions years of war and harvesting and now what? They are a peaceful race helping us rebuild? Did the Reapers agree with the Catalyst or were they just under it's control? What are the Reapers morales? The strong survive? Idk do you? It wasn't explained to me in-game so idk. Was it "tweeted"?

Wow, really, you are having trouble with this? Dear god. I guess they do need to epxlain things in painful detail to the less than bright. The Reapers kill organics, the green ending = no organics. Where is there room for the misunderstanding? That synthesis is a new evolution that will end the need to create "order" because there is no longer conflict. Who knows/cares what the reapers now do. Their job is done.

Look, the endings suck rocks. The whole logic of them is awful but you can't miss how the green ending works using the "logic of the game.

To be honest the logic of the game died the minuite space brat came in to **** on the series....but to stay on topic with the green yes there are no longer organics or synthetics but a hybrid but how does it work? is their DNA mixed with machine parts or synthetics inside the body already to give the organics more....synthesis with the synthetics? if so what about the geth? how would that work thats the problem people have with the synthesis because they use SPACE MAGIC without explaining how it works and it just sucks with just the reapers leaving because it just doesnt make sense

[Rip504]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

They wont. That's my point. I have no reason to believe that synthetics will ever pose a threat like that. If they complete the pretty much impossible task of eradicating all organic life then there's still no way they can stop it appearing again. 

That's your assumption and opinion,and I do agree. The Catalyst does not,and I can understand why. It is possible for a Synthetic race to wipe out ALL Organic life. An Organic race would face many problems with this theory. As new organic life could spawn. Destructive war or not. It is the catalyst logic,not mine. Just want that to be clear. lol
Edit: Yes Organic life could spawn during the Synthetic destructive cycle,and when the Synthetics find them... The Organics may have a 1% chance of surviving. Search and Destroy. Find a new organic,simple kill it. If an Organic Race tried this,either 1 The Organic race would still be alive,Or 2 After the Organic race killed all organics including themselves,new organic life could form and safely develop.

And who knows... Maybe the Reapers who claim to be the Pinnacle of all life,were destroying whole worlds and every Organic creature in the universe before the Catalyst took control. Is the Catalyst speaking from experience or an assumption based on a theory? To many unexplained questions,just to leave the Reapers free to do whatever they like in a crippled galaxy IMO. To many unexplained questions to enjoy any of the endings IMO.  Not arguing with you btw,Just random statements. It's what I do.

Modifié par Rip504, 11 mai 2012 - 09:16 .

[Laughing_Man]

*sigh* "Lots of speculations for everyone".
If it wasn't so sad, it would have been very funny.

[Demoiselle]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Demoiselle wrote...

Well I'm just gonna assume in BWs head-canon for the series, they didn't secretly decide that two of the three ending choices are going to end with the Reapers coming back.

Metagaming FTW!

Good for you.

I used my own head-canon to rewrite the ending completely. 

You know, since there is no official canon with Mass Effect. That has a more liberating meaning than I think people remember. 

That's good - having your own head-canon for what happens next and what the Catalyst actually was and intended is pretty much all we can do to get a real ending to the series with the little information we were given. And the Catalyst being a manipulative little space brat is a lot more interesting and believable than it just handing over the controls, I concede.

It's just that some people can get a big fanatic with their INSISTENCE that the Destroy option was intended by the writers to be the CANON, only way to defeat the Reapers, and that they also clearly intended for Control and Synthesis to be CANONICLY letting the Reapers win. And that if you didn't choose it, it isn't just THEIR opinion or head canon that you failed, but BWs obvious intentions for the non Destroy-choices.

Modifié par Demoiselle, 11 mai 2012 - 09:41 .

[Hadeedak]

TheRedVipress wrote...

*sigh* "Lots of speculations for everyone".
If it wasn't so sad, it would have been very funny.

To some extent, it's the best part of the endings.

The facts are as stands: all endings stop the reaper threat. The catalyst says "Even you are partially synthetic", regarding destroy (which isn't THAT strong of SHEP WILL DIE, and I'm not sure why people bring it up as the Catalyst lying...). Synthesis creates peace, somehow. Anyway, EDI and Joker sure seem happy and huggy about it. And controlShep ends the threat of the Reapers, too, so clearly she CAN control them, or at least puts up a giant "No harvesting" sign.

Speculation, interpretation, quarrelling and madness.

But all 3 endings stop the Reapers! Yay Shepard!

[dreman9999]

estebanus wrote...

H2Ape wrote...

estebanus wrote...

There is no way of knowing if the reapers' cycle of mass extinction truly stops if they're left alive. After all, they themselves are intelligent beings, and in the case of synthesis, there is no catalyst/starchild to control them anymore. They would be a rogue faction. One that is known for committing heinous crimes throughout time.

In control, there is no safe way to know if Shepard can truly control the reapers, except the word of a little brat who is the leader of the enemy.

Destroy is the only one where you can be absolutely safe that the cycle will stop. The reapers will be no more. The galaxy will finally be free of their curse.

And then the galaxy will be wiped out by their synthetic creations. Is destroying the Reapers really worth killing all organics?

Shepard already proved the catalyst wrong when s/he united the geth and quarians. There is no reason to think that it will eventually happen.

The catalyst doesn't know that synthetics will eventually wipe out all organics, does it? It has never let it come to that, which means that it can't predict anything with 100% accuracy.

It would be just like me saying "Since human males and females can reproduce, humanity will never go extinct!"

That's a point towards destroy.

Modifié par dreman9999, 12 mai 2012 - 05:49 .