Jackumzz wrote...
jijeebo wrote...
Why do people assume the catalyst is telling the truth concerning destroy, but not control and synthesis?
cyrslash1974 wrote...
Destroy the reapers and stop the reapers, what is the difference ?
No solution proposed by Starchild is good, his logic is wrong.
Control the reapers ? That means that you agree with the solution from Starchild, the reapers are useful to have the galaxy in peace. So the genocide of organics was also useful. No way.
Demonplague87 wrote...
Stopping the Reapers permanently and guaranteeing they can't return requires destroying them.
Maybe, but they didn't stop being indoctrinated just because they started being controlled by someone else, and it proves, like I said, that indoctrination doesn't need a reaper sustaining it to work.dreman9999 wrote...
That still means someone to control it has to be there...Which is my point...All the reapers are dead, there would be no one to take control.Pride Demon wrote...
Cerberus didn't cut it off, they coopted it! (the basis behind the "control idea")
That's why TIM implanted himself with reaper tech, so that his troops (that are made of indoctrinated civilians augmented with reaper tech) would be indoctrinated to his will (Cerberus') rather than the reapers'...
This is why he managed to obtain such an enourmous amount of fanatical troopers in such a short window of time.
He eventually probably planned to use the crucible as an amplificator to "indoctrinate" the reapers too, of course, in the end it was him that got indoctrinated through his implants, rather than him using them to indoctrinate others, which ended up making the whole point of indoctrinating his troops to Cerberus' will moot, but this proves indoctrination can exist apart from the reapers and their will.
And there is no proof of other reapers interfering with the derelict one.
Besides, others may take control of indoctrinated agents/husks, but the fact the derelict reaper was capable of indoctrinating them in the first place demonstrates they don't need to be operational to indoctrinate...
Modifié par Pride Demon, 11 mai 2012 - 05:26 .
Using the reaper isn any way men you agree with the cataylist. The cataylist is all about controling the galexy...That's what your doing if you control the reapers.111987 wrote...
cyrslash1974 wrote...
Destroy the reapers and stop the reapers, what is the difference ?
No solution proposed by Starchild is good, his logic is wrong.
Control the reapers ? That means that you agree with the solution from Starchild, the reapers are useful to have the galaxy in peace. So the genocide of organics was also useful. No way.
How does Control mean you agree with the Catalyst's solution? Your Shepard gets to use the Reapers however he/she feels is best. The Reapers, used right, could be enormously helpful to the galaxy.
It is, but what use is it if know one can use it.Pride Demon wrote...
Maybe, but they didn't stop being indoctrinated just because they started being controlled by someone else, and it proves, like I said, that indoctrination doesn't need a reaper sustaining it to work.dreman9999 wrote...
That still means someone to control it has to be there...Which is my point...All the reapers are dead, there would be no one to take control.Pride Demon wrote...
Cerberus didn't cut it off, they coopted it! (the basis behind the "control idea")
That's why TIM implanted himself with reaper tech, so that his troops (that are made of indoctrinated civilians augmented with reaper tech) would be indoctrinated to his will (Cerberus') rather than the reapers'...
This is why he managed to obtain such an enourmous amount of fanatical troopers in such a short window of time.
He eventually probably planned to use the crucible as an amplificator to "indoctrinate" the reapers too, of course, in the end it was him that got indoctrinated through his implants, rather than him using them to indoctrinate others, which ended up making the whole point of indoctrinating his troops to Cerberus' will moot, but this proves indoctrination can exist apart from the reapers and their will.
And there is no proof of other reapers interfering with the derelict one.
Besides, others may take control of indoctrinated agents/husks, but the fact the derelict reaper was capable of indoctrinating them in the first place demonstrates they don't need to be operational to indoctrinate...
If I had to guess, I'd say it's a reflex of some sort, regardless of whether a reaper works or not it will indoctrinate those surrounding it, when it comes to direction of the slaves, maybe someone is needed to coordinate them, but I doubt someone is needed to qactually commit the indoctrination...
dreman9999 wrote...
Using the reaper isn any way men you agree with the cataylist. The cataylist is all about controling the galexy...That's what your doing if you control the reapers.111987 wrote...
cyrslash1974 wrote...
Destroy the reapers and stop the reapers, what is the difference ?
No solution proposed by Starchild is good, his logic is wrong.
Control the reapers ? That means that you agree with the solution from Starchild, the reapers are useful to have the galaxy in peace. So the genocide of organics was also useful. No way.
How does Control mean you agree with the Catalyst's solution? Your Shepard gets to use the Reapers however he/she feels is best. The Reapers, used right, could be enormously helpful to the galaxy.
Control is also say he was also right because heis also saying someone need to control the galexy to keep it going.Hadeedak wrote...
Destroy always struck me as admitting he's right and that synthetics and organics must fight, since you do wipe out the synthetics.
dreman9999 wrote...
Control is also say he was also right because heis also saying someone need to control the galexy to keep it going.Hadeedak wrote...
Destroy always struck me as admitting he's right and that synthetics and organics must fight, since you do wipe out the synthetics.
It doesn't.dreman9999 wrote...
Control is also say he was also right because heis also saying someone need to control the galexy to keep it going.Hadeedak wrote...
Destroy always struck me as admitting he's right and that synthetics and organics must fight, since you do wipe out the synthetics.
Yes it does. The point of the reapers was to control and impose. The point was to stop chaos. You being in control gives that job to you. The star child is basicly say order need to be inposed. You using the reaper means your doing so as well.111987 wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
Using the reaper isn any way men you agree with the cataylist. The cataylist is all about controling the galexy...That's what your doing if you control the reapers.111987 wrote...
cyrslash1974 wrote...
Destroy the reapers and stop the reapers, what is the difference ?
No solution proposed by Starchild is good, his logic is wrong.
Control the reapers ? That means that you agree with the solution from Starchild, the reapers are useful to have the galaxy in peace. So the genocide of organics was also useful. No way.
How does Control mean you agree with the Catalyst's solution? Your Shepard gets to use the Reapers however he/she feels is best. The Reapers, used right, could be enormously helpful to the galaxy.
No, it really doesn't. I'm sorry you can't see that. You only agree with the Catalyst if your perpetuate the cycle. Using them for anything else is a rejection of the Catalyst.
Jackumzz wrote...
jijeebo wrote...
Why do people assume the catalyst is telling the truth concerning destroy, but not control and synthesis?
Lord Goose wrote...
It doesn't.dreman9999 wrote...
Control is also say he was also right because heis also saying someone need to control the galexy to keep it going.Hadeedak wrote...
Destroy always struck me as admitting he's right and that synthetics and organics must fight, since you do wipe out the synthetics.
Basically, Control means, that Reapers would obey Shepard. It doesn't mean, that Shepard would be playing god with his or her new powers.
So you are saying it's ok for people to get turned into drooling maniacs, so long as there's a chance* their madness is undirected?dreman9999 wrote...
It is, but what use is it if know one can use it.Pride Demon wrote...
Maybe, but they didn't stop being indoctrinated just because they started being controlled by someone else, and it proves, like I said, that indoctrination doesn't need a reaper sustaining it to work.dreman9999 wrote...
That still means someone to control it has to be there...Which is my point...All the reapers are dead, there would be no one to take control.Pride Demon wrote...
Cerberus didn't cut it off, they coopted it! (the basis behind the "control idea")
That's why TIM implanted himself with reaper tech, so that his troops (that are made of indoctrinated civilians augmented with reaper tech) would be indoctrinated to his will (Cerberus') rather than the reapers'...
This is why he managed to obtain such an enourmous amount of fanatical troopers in such a short window of time.
He eventually probably planned to use the crucible as an amplificator to "indoctrinate" the reapers too, of course, in the end it was him that got indoctrinated through his implants, rather than him using them to indoctrinate others, which ended up making the whole point of indoctrinating his troops to Cerberus' will moot, but this proves indoctrination can exist apart from the reapers and their will.
And there is no proof of other reapers interfering with the derelict one.
Besides, others may take control of indoctrinated agents/husks, but the fact the derelict reaper was capable of indoctrinating them in the first place demonstrates they don't need to be operational to indoctrinate...
If I had to guess, I'd say it's a reflex of some sort, regardless of whether a reaper works or not it will indoctrinate those surrounding it, when it comes to direction of the slaves, maybe someone is needed to coordinate them, but I doubt someone is needed to qactually commit the indoctrination...
Putting any for of balance would be playing god. Fixing everything withthe reaper would be playing god. The us of the reaper in any way would be playing god. Understand.Lord Goose wrote...
It doesn't.dreman9999 wrote...
Control is also say he was also right because heis also saying someone need to control the galexy to keep it going.Hadeedak wrote...
Destroy always struck me as admitting he's right and that synthetics and organics must fight, since you do wipe out the synthetics.
Basically, Control means, that Reapers would obey Shepard. It doesn't mean, that Shepard would be playing god with his or her new powers.
Demonplague87 wrote...
Stopping the Reapers permanently and guaranteeing they can't return requires destroying them.
Sisterofshane wrote...
Jackumzz wrote...
jijeebo wrote...
Why do people assume the catalyst is telling the truth concerning destroy, but not control and synthesis?
The issue is not whether the Catalyst is telling the truth, but rather trusting in it's judgement about it's proposed "solutions".
If you believe that the Catalyst is correct in it's assumption of the Singularity, the only option that feels correct is the Synthesis option.
If you reject the idea of inherent synthetic/organic conflict, then destroy is the option for you.
And if you are not quite sure, you control the Reapers, giving the galaxy a chance to prove itself, but safe guarding the reapers should the need arise to use them again.
Your not understanding how it works. It happen on it own, but it only changes thing based on the will of the controler. You only become a drooling maniac if the controler wills it and appies it. What I'm saying is the feild will go one but it will not have any effect at all. It only imposes a state if a direction is given. It will do nothing with out direction.Pride Demon wrote...
So you are saying it's ok for people to get turned into drooling maniacs, so long as there's a chance* their madness is undirected?dreman9999 wrote...
It is, but what use is it if know one can use it.Pride Demon wrote...
Maybe, but they didn't stop being indoctrinated just because they started being controlled by someone else, and it proves, like I said, that indoctrination doesn't need a reaper sustaining it to work.dreman9999 wrote...
That still means someone to control it has to be there...Which is my point...All the reapers are dead, there would be no one to take control.Pride Demon wrote...
Cerberus didn't cut it off, they coopted it! (the basis behind the "control idea")
That's why TIM implanted himself with reaper tech, so that his troops (that are made of indoctrinated civilians augmented with reaper tech) would be indoctrinated to his will (Cerberus') rather than the reapers'...
This is why he managed to obtain such an enourmous amount of fanatical troopers in such a short window of time.
He eventually probably planned to use the crucible as an amplificator to "indoctrinate" the reapers too, of course, in the end it was him that got indoctrinated through his implants, rather than him using them to indoctrinate others, which ended up making the whole point of indoctrinating his troops to Cerberus' will moot, but this proves indoctrination can exist apart from the reapers and their will.
And there is no proof of other reapers interfering with the derelict one.
Besides, others may take control of indoctrinated agents/husks, but the fact the derelict reaper was capable of indoctrinating them in the first place demonstrates they don't need to be operational to indoctrinate...
If I had to guess, I'd say it's a reflex of some sort, regardless of whether a reaper works or not it will indoctrinate those surrounding it, when it comes to direction of the slaves, maybe someone is needed to coordinate them, but I doubt someone is needed to qactually commit the indoctrination...
*We have no actual idea how much control a slave would retain in such a situation, just because they can't coordinate themselves doesn't make them any less dangerous.
Hadeedak wrote...
Lord Goose wrote...
It doesn't.dreman9999 wrote...
Control is also say he was also right because heis also saying someone need to control the galexy to keep it going.Hadeedak wrote...
Destroy always struck me as admitting he's right and that synthetics and organics must fight, since you do wipe out the synthetics.
Basically, Control means, that Reapers would obey Shepard. It doesn't mean, that Shepard would be playing god with his or her new powers.
Anything else is interpretation, which the ending really, really encourages, but it's hard to say anything concrete about. Maybe YOUR Control Shepard has Reapers hovering all over, offering advice constantly like an aged aunt who thinks you'd do a little better if you just added more flour, dear, and stir, really stir. And maybe mine has them dormant in dark space... forever.:happy:
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